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Post by McCherry on Jul 18, 2020 10:14:30 GMT -5
"So much to dislike".... ahhh....no. A couple of things for sure. Pocket awareness and ball security. He does the review like Jones has been an NFL QB for 2 or 3 seasons already. Does he eve mention the shitty oline play? Ok video to watch the plays. That part was the best part. The dude talks out his ass many times too. For instance he comments on a throw that Jones should have thrown deep for his receiver to "meet" the ball but ignores the fact that the Safety floating over would have broken up the play. Jones needs work....no shit. He has 13 games under his belt. And if he didn't miss those games he most likely would've shattered the rookie TD pass record. In comparison, Peyton Manning threw 28 INT's as a rookie and nobody used that to question his potential. While most analysts admitted outright they are wrong to criticize the pick, others double-down on their ignorance. |
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 18, 2020 10:15:54 GMT -5
"So much to dislike".... ahhh....no. A couple of things for sure. Pocket awareness and ball security. He does the review like Jones has been an NFL QB for 2 or 3 seasons already. Does he eve mention the shitty oline play? Ok video to watch the plays. That part was the best part. The dude talks out his ass many times too. For instance he comments on a throw that Jones should have thrown deep for his receiver to "meet" the ball but ignores the fact that the Safety floating over would have broken up the play. Jones needs work....no shit. He has 13 games under his belt. You have to know that this guy absolutely hated the pick. He did briefly mention the ol. He's correct on most of the plays he reviewed, but as you say, he's a rookie. Cutting down on mistakes is part of the process. And IMO, he looked better as rookie than Eli |
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 18, 2020 10:20:34 GMT -5
Its literally the name of the video. Reading the posts here very few actually watched the video. Obvious to see.The other thing thats obvious is the Giants fans collective insecurity of Jones issues. They are there, as are the pros. His success is yet to be determined, here's hoping for the bet. You got me. I didn’t watch the video. Still haven’t, and probably never will.. Then I won’t worry about the spoiler alert I’m about to impart. The video will not change anyone’s opinion on Daniel Jones despite the authors greater X and O knowledge of the game. |
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Post by GameTime on Jul 18, 2020 10:47:28 GMT -5
"So much to dislike".... ahhh....no. A couple of things for sure. Pocket awareness and ball security. He does the review like Jones has been an NFL QB for 2 or 3 seasons already. Does he eve mention the shitty oline play? Ok video to watch the plays. That part was the best part. The dude talks out his ass many times too. For instance he comments on a throw that Jones should have thrown deep for his receiver to "meet" the ball but ignores the fact that the Safety floating over would have broken up the play. Jones needs work....no shit. He has 13 games under his belt. You have to know that this guy absolutely hated the pick. He did briefly mention the ol. He's correct on most of the plays he reviewed, but as you say, he's a rookie. Cutting down on mistakes is part of the process. And IMO, he looked better as rookie than Eli right on most of the plays yes....but not taking into account that he is a rookie. Not a good review IMO. He also likened Jones to Jamis Winston in the turn over dept. Jones' issue was of course fumbling. His issue with picks was not that bad actually. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 18, 2020 11:12:20 GMT -5
"So much to dislike".... ahhh....no. A couple of things for sure. Pocket awareness and ball security. He does the review like Jones has been an NFL QB for 2 or 3 seasons already. Does he eve mention the shitty oline play? Ok video to watch the plays. That part was the best part. The dude talks out his ass many times too. For instance he comments on a throw that Jones should have thrown deep for his receiver to "meet" the ball but ignores the fact that the Safety floating over would have broken up the play. Jones needs work....no shit. He has 13 games under his belt. You have to know that this guy absolutely hated the pick. He did briefly mention the ol. He's correct on most of the plays he reviewed, but as you say, he's a rookie. Cutting down on mistakes is part of the process. And IMO, he looked better as rookie than EliThat's for sure. Until the last game, Eli looked really shakey his rookie year. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 18, 2020 11:33:09 GMT -5
"So much to dislike".... ahhh....no. A couple of things for sure. Pocket awareness and ball security. He does the review like Jones has been an NFL QB for 2 or 3 seasons already. Does he eve mention the shitty oline play? Ok video to watch the plays. That part was the best part. The dude talks out his ass many times too. For instance he comments on a throw that Jones should have thrown deep for his receiver to "meet" the ball but ignores the fact that the Safety floating over would have broken up the play. Jones needs work....no shit. He has 13 games under his belt. When he spoke about Jones stepping up into trouble or a sack it reminded me of a pic or video I posted of Eli in ‘17 or ‘18 for doing just that. We all know Jones has plenty of things to clean up as you said. The idea of assembling of bunch of clips as evidence is fine as long as it’s understood that highlight the video could have just as easily have been made. Isn’t Jones the first rookie to throw for 4 TD’s with no INT’s twice? That’s not too shabby for your first year in the NFL. |
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 18, 2020 11:48:19 GMT -5
"So much to dislike".... ahhh....no. A couple of things for sure. Pocket awareness and ball security. He does the review like Jones has been an NFL QB for 2 or 3 seasons already. Does he eve mention the shitty oline play? Ok video to watch the plays. That part was the best part. The dude talks out his ass many times too. For instance he comments on a throw that Jones should have thrown deep for his receiver to "meet" the ball but ignores the fact that the Safety floating over would have broken up the play. Jones needs work....no shit. He has 13 games under his belt. When he spoke about Jones stepping up into trouble or a sack it reminded me of a pic or video I posted of Eli in ‘17 or ‘18 for doing just that. We all know Jones has plenty of things to clean up as you said. The idea of assembling of bunch of clips as evidence is fine as long as it’s understood that highlight the video could have just as easily have been made. Isn’t Jones the first rookie to throw for 4 TD’s with no INT’s twice? That’s not too shabby for your first year in the NFL. Again, this is a guy who hated the pick. So you know there's some of that coloring his opinions. That's why he said a few times that he saw the same types of things in his college career. Have to evaluate the source. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 18, 2020 11:56:58 GMT -5
When he spoke about Jones stepping up into trouble or a sack it reminded me of a pic or video I posted of Eli in ‘17 or ‘18 for doing just that. We all know Jones has plenty of things to clean up as you said. The idea of assembling of bunch of clips as evidence is fine as long as it’s understood that highlight the video could have just as easily have been made. Isn’t Jones the first rookie to throw for 4 TD’s with no INT’s twice? That’s not too shabby for your first year in the NFL. Again, this is a guy who hated the pick. So you know there's some of that coloring his opinions. That's why he said a few times that he saw the same types of things in his college career. Have to evaluate the source. I don't know who the guy is. And while he seems knowledgeable, his video didn't give me any reason to think differently about Dan Jones.
Those of us who watch every game know what we saw from Jones and this video did not change anything.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 18, 2020 12:07:21 GMT -5
Again, this is a guy who hated the pick. So you know there's some of that coloring his opinions. That's why he said a few times that he saw the same types of things in his college career. Have to evaluate the source. I don't know who the guy is. And while he seems knowledgeable, his video didn't give me any reason to think differently about Dan Jones.
Those of us who watch every game know what we saw from Jones and this video did not change anything.
If you watch the video with the sound off, all you see is a rookie QB making spectacular throws. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 18, 2020 14:10:36 GMT -5
Again, this is a guy who hated the pick. So you know there's some of that coloring his opinions. That's why he said a few times that he saw the same types of things in his college career. Have to evaluate the source. I don't know who the guy is. And while he seems knowledgeable, his video didn't give me any reason to think differently about Dan Jones.
Those of us who watch every game know what we saw from Jones and this video did not change anything.
Comes across as if he has an agenda Very above average rookie season is what I saw witb some wwrts |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 18, 2020 14:29:27 GMT -5
"So much to dislike".... ahhh....no. A couple of things for sure. Pocket awareness and ball security. He does the review like Jones has been an NFL QB for 2 or 3 seasons already. Does he eve mention the shitty oline play? Ok video to watch the plays. That part was the best part. The dude talks out his ass many times too. For instance he comments on a throw that Jones should have thrown deep for his receiver to "meet" the ball but ignores the fact that the Safety floating over would have broken up the play. Jones needs work....no shit. He has 13 games under his belt. Were, he's got enablers to assuage. You think it's easy to guess wrong regularly and then have to reverse course gracefully? |
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Post by Jomo on Jul 18, 2020 14:31:04 GMT -5
He is undoubtedly a "great quarterback" and I am undoubtedly jumping the gun by a couple of years.
Don't we need a bit more time?
Geez, the kid hasn't even been in a big game or big moment within a big game yet...
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Post by JoeyCush on Jul 18, 2020 14:43:26 GMT -5
I dont think Jones is a great QB right now. But I do think he possesses traits of what great QBs are made up of. He just needs to put it all together and be more consistent. His game is good and a lot better than what many of us thought.
I love Eli and I still think he could have been much more productive in his later years if the FO invested more in protecting him rather than giving him new toys to play with. But Eli doesnt fit the what the current NFL is. I think the sky is the limit for DJ. He has a great arm, ability to extend plays, great attitude and demeanor, and a lot of other things to not only be successful in the NFL but in NYC. Just needs to be consistently good and limit the mistakes, which I think putting a competent OL in front of him will help that tremendously.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 18, 2020 17:29:00 GMT -5
I dont think Jones is a great QB right now. But I do think he possesses traits of what great QBs are made up of. He just needs to put it all together and be more consistent. His game is good and a lot better than what many of us thought. I love Eli and I still think he could have been much more productive in his later years if the FO invested more in protecting him rather than giving him new toys to play with. But Eli doesnt fit the what the current NFL is. I think the sky is the limit for DJ. He has a great arm, ability to extend plays, great attitude and demeanor, and a lot of other things to not only be successful in the NFL but in NYC. Just needs to be consistently good and limit the mistakes, which I think putting a competent OL in front of him will help that tremendously. He has traits that the "elite "level qbs have that you really can't coach Top level accuracy on a very consistent basis,able to and willing to throw into extremely tight windows,ball placement and throwing with anticipation... If he can clean up the bad he can be one of the great ones |
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 18, 2020 19:48:55 GMT -5
Again, this is a guy who hated the pick. So you know there's some of that coloring his opinions. That's why he said a few times that he saw the same types of things in his college career. Have to evaluate the source. I don't know who the guy is. And while he seems knowledgeable, his video didn't give me any reason to think differently about Dan Jones.
Those of us who watch every game know what we saw from Jones and this video did not change anything.
I got most of the way through it...I thought the guy was pretty sharp as well. Seemed like a bit of a rush to come to some conclusions, but I will say this: the fumbling continues, he will not be a starter in 4 years. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 18, 2020 20:07:48 GMT -5
I don't know who the guy is. And while he seems knowledgeable, his video didn't give me any reason to think differently about Dan Jones.
Those of us who watch every game know what we saw from Jones and this video did not change anything.
I got most of the way through it...I thought the guy was pretty sharp as well. Seemed like a bit of a rush to come to some conclusions, but I will say this: the fumbling continues, he will not be a starter in 4 years.
Might this be a "I didn't like him coming out of college and despite his rookie success, these are all the warts I could find?"
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 18, 2020 20:19:36 GMT -5
I don't know who the guy is. And while he seems knowledgeable, his video didn't give me any reason to think differently about Dan Jones.
Those of us who watch every game know what we saw from Jones and this video did not change anything.
I got most of the way through it...I thought the guy was pretty sharp as well. Seemed like a bit of a rush to come to some conclusions, but I will say this: the fumbling continues, he will not be a starter in 4 years. Going out on a limb there, huh? |
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 18, 2020 20:25:13 GMT -5
I got most of the way through it...I thought the guy was pretty sharp as well. Seemed like a bit of a rush to come to some conclusions, but I will say this: the fumbling continues, he will not be a starter in 4 years. Going out on a limb there, huh? Yeah...I guess when he said it (without being specific) he was looking for maximum shock value |
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 18, 2020 20:33:31 GMT -5
I got most of the way through it...I thought the guy was pretty sharp as well. Seemed like a bit of a rush to come to some conclusions, but I will say this: the fumbling continues, he will not be a starter in 4 years.
Might this be a "I didn't like him coming out of college and despite his rookie success, these are all the warts I could find?"
Exactly. He wasn't wrong, but I think that was his purpose. |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 18, 2020 20:42:34 GMT -5
I got most of the way through it...I thought the guy was pretty sharp as well. Seemed like a bit of a rush to come to some conclusions, but I will say this: the fumbling continues, he will not be a starter in 4 years.
Might this be a "I didn't like him coming out of college and despite his rookie success, these are all the warts I could find?"
Baker Mayfield threw 21 picks in 2019 and isn't receiving this kind of scrutiny. Many successful players had fumbling issues early in their careers which tapered off in time. It's fixable, interceptions not as much. How many talented QB's fumbled their way out of a career? |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 18, 2020 20:56:54 GMT -5
Might this be a "I didn't like him coming out of college and despite his rookie success, these are all the warts I could find?"
Baker Mayfield threw 21 picks in 2019 and isn't receiving this kind of scrutiny. Many successful players had fumbling issues early in their careers which tapered off in time. It's fixable, interceptions not as much. How many talented QB's fumbled their way out of a career? He's a NY Giants QB; we don't get hung up on INTs. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 18, 2020 21:20:12 GMT -5
Might this be a "I didn't like him coming out of college and despite his rookie success, these are all the warts I could find?"
Baker Mayfield threw 21 picks in 2019 and isn't receiving this kind of scrutiny. Many successful players had fumbling issues early in their careers which tapered off in time. It's fixable, interceptions not as much. How many talented QB's fumbled their way out of a career?
I'm sure this was rhetorical, but I cannot think of one.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 18, 2020 21:47:06 GMT -5
Might this be a "I didn't like him coming out of college and despite his rookie success, these are all the warts I could find?"
Baker Mayfield threw 21 picks in 2019 and isn't receiving this kind of scrutiny. Many successful players had fumbling issues early in their careers which tapered off in time. It's fixable, interceptions not as much. How many talented QB's fumbled their way out of a career?Mark Sanchez.....famously did just that.....  |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 18, 2020 21:51:01 GMT -5
Baker Mayfield threw 21 picks in 2019 and isn't receiving this kind of scrutiny. Many successful players had fumbling issues early in their careers which tapered off in time. It's fixable, interceptions not as much. How many talented QB's fumbled their way out of a career?Mark Sanchez.....famously did just that..... I said talented QB’s! |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 19, 2020 10:15:54 GMT -5
Mark Sanchez.....famously did just that..... I said talented QB’s! and that was one lulu of a fumble, not a huge accumulation of them. |
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Post by thetruth on Jul 20, 2020 14:27:54 GMT -5
Its literally the name of the video. Reading the posts here very few actually watched the video. Obvious to see.The other thing thats obvious is the Giants fans collective insecurity of Jones issues. They are there, as are the pros. His success is yet to be determined, here's hoping for the bet. You got me. I didn’t watch the video. Still haven’t, and probably never will.. probably a good thing. If im being fair |
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Post by thetruth on Jul 20, 2020 14:34:20 GMT -5
When he spoke about Jones stepping up into trouble or a sack it reminded me of a pic or video I posted of Eli in ‘17 or ‘18 for doing just that. We all know Jones has plenty of things to clean up as you said. The idea of assembling of bunch of clips as evidence is fine as long as it’s understood that highlight the video could have just as easily have been made. Isn’t Jones the first rookie to throw for 4 TD’s with no INT’s twice? That’s not too shabby for your first year in the NFL. Again, this is a guy who hated the pick. So you know there's some of that coloring his opinions. That's why he said a few times that he saw the same types of things in his college career. Have to evaluate the source. Where do feel he is incorrect? highlight examples in the vid if you dont mind as im curious. If anyone here is sensitive that the guy analyzing the vid is showing that Daniel Jones doesn't really have any pocket awareness id like you explain how this is biased, based on what we have seen from Jones. Jones has potential to be great, but he absolutely needs to clean up his pocket awareness and feel for the pass rush. He will not be a successful QB with these issues. Also, Daniels performance in the play-action was putrid. This needs to be MUCH better, it shouldn't be hard with SB in the backfield. Also, for as much hate as Shurmur got, he put Daniel in positions to succeed. Lets see how Garrett schemes the offense, he's done wonders with Romo and Prescott who both have excellent pocket awareness for the most part. |
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Post by thetruth on Jul 20, 2020 14:36:04 GMT -5
Might this be a "I didn't like him coming out of college and despite his rookie success, these are all the warts I could find?"
Baker Mayfield threw 21 picks in 2019 and isn't receiving this kind of scrutiny. Many successful players had fumbling issues early in their careers which tapered off in time. It's fixable, interceptions not as much. How many talented QB's fumbled their way out of a career? A better question is, how many talented QB's who have long careers show poor pocket awareness? Other than accuracy and decision making, nothing else is more important. The reason for Daniels fumbles he is gets hit throwing the ball a lot. He doesn't naturally feel the pass rush. This needs to improve |
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Post by thetruth on Jul 20, 2020 14:42:41 GMT -5
"So much to dislike".... ahhh....no. A couple of things for sure. Pocket awareness and ball security.Yeah these are.... really important. Along with Accuracy which Jones shows in abundance; you got your top 3 most important skill-sets for a QB.He does the review like Jones has been an NFL QB for 2 or 3 seasons already. He does a review of Jones based on.. every single snap he's had as a professional. What else should he evaluate his opinion on? or do we only look for positive reinforcement on rookies?Does he eve mention the shitty oline play? Yes. He also shows a stat that shows DJ is actually gets a lot worse when he has more time to throw. Did you catch that? Interesting tidbit. Ok video to watch the plays. That part was the best part. The dude talks out his ass many times too. For instance he comments on a throw that Jones should have thrown deep for his receiver to "meet" the ball but ignores the fact that the Safety floating over would have broken up the play. Reference the play in the video and lets go take a look before we talk about generalities. You could be right, lets see. Jones needs work....no shit. He has 13 games under his belt. Yes, he does need work. The 13 game have shown that. |
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 20, 2020 14:50:02 GMT -5
Again, this is a guy who hated the pick. So you know there's some of that coloring his opinions. That's why he said a few times that he saw the same types of things in his college career. Have to evaluate the source. Where do feel he is incorrect? highlight examples in the vid if you dont mind as im curious. If anyone here is sensitive that the guy analyzing the vid is showing that Daniel Jones doesn't really have any pocket awareness id like you explain how this is biased, based on what we have seen from Jones. Jones has potential to be great, but he absolutely needs to clean up his pocket awareness and feel for the pass rush. He will not be a successful QB with these issues. Also, Daniels performance in the play-action was putrid. This needs to be MUCH better, it shouldn't be hard with SB in the backfield. Also, for as much hate as Shurmur got, he put Daniel in positions to succeed. Lets see how Garrett schemes the offense, he's done wonders with Romo and Prescott who both have excellent pocket awareness for the most part. I never said he was incorrect. In fact I said he was mostly correct. |
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