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Post by thetruth on Sept 27, 2020 22:49:16 GMT -5
Some posts in this thread are quite hilarious.
Nothing is set in stone, but to even QUESTION Jones's ability before this season began was a sin.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Sept 28, 2020 0:02:19 GMT -5
Some posts in this thread are quite hilarious. Nothing is set in stone, but to even QUESTION Jones's ability before this season began was a sin. notice my post on the first page i said we needed to get him a C.
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Post by thetruth on Sept 28, 2020 0:15:49 GMT -5
Some posts in this thread are quite hilarious. Nothing is set in stone, but to even QUESTION Jones's ability before this season began was a sin. notice my post on the first page i said we needed to get him a C. Yes and that third we traded for the 'potential' to sign Williams could have helped that cause. You're wasn't the posts i was referencing. Moreso the ones thinking Jones didn't have issues
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Post by yoho on Sept 28, 2020 0:22:39 GMT -5
Jones has not even played a full 16 games yet. He's being put into a position to carry the team already because the O line needs time and there is no running game. I am very encouraged by the defense however. They play well until the our putred offense keeps them on the field too long.
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Post by thetruth on Sept 28, 2020 1:03:52 GMT -5
Jones has not even played a full 16 games yet. He's being put into a position to carry the team already because the O line needs time and there is no running game. I am very encouraged by the defense however. They play well until the our putred offense keeps them on the field too long. Daniel Jones has 29 turnovers, 28 Tds, in 16 starts.
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Post by mj312 on Sept 28, 2020 3:58:59 GMT -5
I think he is better than Eli , he may even be better than simms given time. as far as his ability. Now if he wins a sb idk, that takes a coach and team also. I dont agree with some of this guys breakdown , as we see the dt spin move off the C/G . Jones cant get rid of it that quickly. We just need a better C. Jones may be a better athlete than Eli , but as far as being a QB he’s got a really long way to go .. yeah he has upside but he’s certainly not looking like a franchise QB right now ..
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Post by GameTime on Sept 28, 2020 6:22:41 GMT -5
I think he is better than Eli , he may even be better than simms given time. as far as his ability. Now if he wins a sb idk, that takes a coach and team also. I dont agree with some of this guys breakdown , as we see the dt spin move off the C/G . Jones cant get rid of it that quickly. We just need a better C. Jones may be a better athlete than Eli , but as far as being a QB he’s got a really long way to go .. yeah he has upside but he’s certainly not looking like a franchise QB right now .. I had/have a lot of confidence but the last couple of games has shaken that confidence. Jones needs to start putting together good performances without the picks etc. Maybe he is pressing now IDK. The whole team is out of sync and he is certainly part of the problem.
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Post by mj312 on Sept 28, 2020 6:32:38 GMT -5
Jones may be a better athlete than Eli , but as far as being a QB he’s got a really long way to go .. yeah he has upside but he’s certainly not looking like a franchise QB right now .. I had/have a lot of confidence but the last couple of games has shaken that confidence. Jones needs to start putting together good performances without the picks etc. Maybe he is pressing now IDK. The whole team is out of sync and he is certainly part of the problem. This was my biggest concern with jones .. last year he walked into a lost season with very little pressure to do anything and exceeded expectations.. this is year there’s no Eli to blame and he’s the man and we all expected him to build off of what he did last year and he looks like a different guy completely. Everyone handles pressure differently
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Post by GameTime on Sept 28, 2020 6:37:30 GMT -5
I had/have a lot of confidence but the last couple of games has shaken that confidence. Jones needs to start putting together good performances without the picks etc. Maybe he is pressing now IDK. The whole team is out of sync and he is certainly part of the problem. This was my biggest concern with jones .. last year he walked into a lost season with very little pressure to do anything and exceeded expectations.. this is year there’s no Eli to blame and he’s the man and we all expected him to build off of what he did last year and he looks like a different guy completely. Everyone handles pressure differently this is true. In the end it doesnt matter what we think. The kid cant give up on himself. He's in a tough spot and we have to see how he gets through this.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 28, 2020 8:20:51 GMT -5
Jones has not even played a full 16 games yet. He's being put into a position to carry the team already because the O line needs time and there is no running game. I am very encouraged by the defense however. They play well until the our putred offense keeps them on the field too long. You're encouraged by a defense that didnt force a single punt? Against a team with 10 starters hurt?
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 28, 2020 8:22:11 GMT -5
This was my biggest concern with jones .. last year he walked into a lost season with very little pressure to do anything and exceeded expectations.. this is year there’s no Eli to blame and he’s the man and we all expected him to build off of what he did last year and he looks like a different guy completely. Everyone handles pressure differently this is true. In the end it doesnt matter what we think. The kid cant give up on himself. He's in a tough spot and we have to see how he gets through this. I think we'll find out a lot about this team and organization in the next week. As to how they recover from this.
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Post by Eazy E on Sept 28, 2020 9:08:47 GMT -5
The job of the QB is to execute, manage the game, be a leader, and to limit turnovers. That pitch fumble should not happen. Thats the most troublesome thing about Jones. He now has 20 fumbles in 16 starts. That is unacceptable. He has to get better. He is now ranked #2 in history with those 20 fumbles in his first 16 games. Only Tony Banks ranks worse in the Super Bowl era. The 10 games of 2 turnovers or more is also disturbing.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 28, 2020 9:18:35 GMT -5
Jones has not even played a full 16 games yet. He's being put into a position to carry the team already because the O line needs time and there is no running game. I am very encouraged by the defense however. They play well until the our putred offense keeps them on the field too long. Daniel Jones has 29 turnovers, 28 Tds, in 16 starts. Peyton Manning had 26 TD's 28 INT's his first 16 starts.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Sept 28, 2020 9:20:00 GMT -5
Regardless, the organization will know whether they have the right guy in Jones by the end of the season. With the way things are looking right now, they may have to make a decision to keep going with Jones or to draft Lawrence.
Frankly, Jones just hasn't looked good at all this season. He doesn't look like he's made any progress as a player. Maybe he just didn't have that much room for additional growth coming out, which was actually a knock on him when he was drafted, that he didn't look like he had much room to grow.
The 49ers were missing huge pieces to their defense, the offense should have been able to do more than it did.
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Post by SG88 on Sept 28, 2020 9:26:16 GMT -5
Daniel Jones has an Alex Smith ceiling and a Blake Bortles floor. Despite his turnover issues, I think that he will be a good but not great NFL QB. There's not much wrong with that. As someone stated earlier, we have 16 games for a body of work. You also have to consider the change of coaching staff. What the Giants will do with him if they have the first or maybe even 2nd overall draft pick with Lawrence and Fields being there is a debate for another thread. Anyways, I think that fans are being too hard on Jones without considering the circumstances in his situation.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 28, 2020 9:29:48 GMT -5
Daniel Jones has 29 turnovers, 28 Tds, in 16 starts. Peyton Manning had 26 TD's 28 INT's his first 16 starts. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. Should we assume all 6th round QBs will be as good as him too?
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Post by PennState1 on Sept 28, 2020 9:32:53 GMT -5
Biggest thing I noted was how often they kept him in the pocket. And I didnt understand the rationalization as to why - if your QB is getting pressured where he is losing 18 fumbles, you would think more PA would help, no? I constantly wondered last year why they kept him in the pocket so much, still dont understand why. Also, he called Engram, clearly lined up as a TE, a WR. Otherwise I thought is was a good vid. They think he is Eli
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Post by Delicreep on Sept 28, 2020 9:40:15 GMT -5
Peyton Manning had 26 TD's 28 INT's his first 16 starts. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. Should we assume all 6th round QBs will be as good as him too? Nope. The better question would be why would anyone assume 1st round pick QB's are great? But let's play that out...without joking, tell me who you see as the top 5 QB's right now. Here's mine: 1) Wilson 2) Mahomes 3) Rodgers 4) Jackson 5) Allen And I could easily flip Jackson over Rodgers, but Rodgers won't let me!
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Post by Jomo on Sept 28, 2020 9:41:40 GMT -5
this is true. In the end it doesnt matter what we think. The kid cant give up on himself. He's in a tough spot and we have to see how he gets through this. I think we'll find out a lot about this team and organization in the next week. As to how they recover from this. Yes we will.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 28, 2020 9:42:35 GMT -5
this is true. In the end it doesnt matter what we think. The kid cant give up on himself. He's in a tough spot and we have to see how he gets through this. I think we'll find out a lot about this team and organization in the next week. As to how they recover from this. thought we were going to find out yesterday too.... Take it week to week I guess but the whole season will mean a lot going forward.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 28, 2020 9:44:50 GMT -5
It is really the wrong question. No first year QB is great. They might make a great throw, have a great game but they can only achieve greatness by putting up sustained performance and winning big games on the basis of their play.
The better question is: Can DJ be great or will DJ be great?
From there we can have a thoughtful conversation.
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Post by thetruth on Sept 28, 2020 10:17:03 GMT -5
Daniel Jones has 29 turnovers, 28 Tds, in 16 starts. Peyton Manning had 26 TD's 28 INT's his first 16 starts. Well, you got me. Looks like we're just fine then!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 10:41:00 GMT -5
I think he is better than Eli , he may even be better than simms given time. as far as his ability. Now if he wins a sb idk, that takes a coach and team also. I dont agree with some of this guys breakdown , as we see the dt spin move off the C/G . Jones cant get rid of it that quickly. We just need a better C. Bet you don’t feel this way anymore
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