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Post by thetruth on Jul 17, 2020 12:42:58 GMT -5
Excellent breakdown. Check it out.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jul 17, 2020 12:52:39 GMT -5
I think he is better than Eli , he may even be better than simms given time. as far as his ability. Now if he wins a sb idk, that takes a coach and team also.
I dont agree with some of this guys breakdown , as we see the dt spin move off the C/G . Jones cant get rid of it that quickly. We just need a better C.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 13:15:03 GMT -5
Excellent breakdown. Check it out. Even this year when QB's usually make the jump, this is the COVID Year. Jones has a new HC and OC. He has to relearn an entirely new offense. Hopefully he will continue to gel with Slayton. Lets face it, He has some weapons this year. An improved offensive line, a healthy and unsuspended receiving corps AND one of the most powerful tools for a young QB...........A beast RB that he can always hand it off or check down to. Also JG likes to run a 2 TE set that if need to can sit back and block Every team is going through the mess that COVID has brought, but I really feel Jones will fix his fumbling problem (Mostly due to holding the ball too long) and will have a BREAK OUT Year Jones also has an advantage over Eli by using his legs to buy time. He is also a threat to take off and run which defenses now have to account for, which obviously wasn't the case when Eli was back there
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 17, 2020 13:59:19 GMT -5
Biggest thing I noted was how often they kept him in the pocket. And I didnt understand the rationalization as to why - if your QB is getting pressured where he is losing 18 fumbles, you would think more PA would help, no? I constantly wondered last year why they kept him in the pocket so much, still dont understand why.
Also, he called Engram, clearly lined up as a TE, a WR. Otherwise I thought is was a good vid.
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Post by Bigjeep on Jul 17, 2020 14:04:00 GMT -5
We're going to find out!
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Post by McCherry on Jul 17, 2020 14:12:03 GMT -5
Excellent breakdown. Check it out. Even this year when QB's usually make the jump, this is the COVID Year. Jones has a new HC and OC. He has to relearn an entirely new offense. Hopefully he will continue to gel with Slayton. Lets face it, He has some weapons this year. An improved offensive line, a healthy and unsuspended receiving corps AND one of the most powerful tools for a young QB...........A beast RB that he can always hand it off or check down to. Also JG likes to run a 2 TE set that if need to can sit back and block Every team is going through the mess that COVID has brought, but I really feel Jones will fix his fumbling problem (Mostly due to holding the ball too long) and will have a BREAK OUT Year Jones also has an advantage over Eli by using his legs to buy time. He is also a threat to take off and run which defenses now have to account for, which obviously wasn't the case when Eli was back there Wasn't that the case last year? Why would that be a disadvantage in his second year after he set rookie records and earned the Nickname Danny Dimes?
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 17, 2020 14:25:16 GMT -5
I saw a ton of stuff to be excited about, and of course a few things to be concerned about.
Let's see what the kid build on
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 17, 2020 14:50:44 GMT -5
come on, he's only played in his rookie year. It's way too early to start categorizing him. While it wasn't perfect, he showed a lot of promise. I'm excited to see how he progresses from here. I think the sky's the limit for him.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jul 17, 2020 15:36:43 GMT -5
Biggest thing I noted was how often they kept him in the pocket. And I didnt understand the rationalization as to why - if your QB is getting pressured where he is losing 18 fumbles, you would think more PA would help, no? I constantly wondered last year why they kept him in the pocket so much, still dont understand why. Also, he called Engram, clearly lined up as a TE, a WR. Otherwise I thought is was a good vid. I think they handcuffed him on the option to take off also. we see vs tampa he scores two rushing tds, and not so much after that. They may have told him to stay in the pocket. let the kid do his thing., there will be fumbles and mistakes, but take the handcuffs off, hopefully this new staff with Garrett. roll out , get him moving if we still dont have a Center.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 17, 2020 15:37:56 GMT -5
Learning a "new" offense is a bit overstated by some. First off its not like Jones has been with the same scheme for years. Last year was a "new" offense too.
Also its what these guys do. This is their profession. I am not making light of the complexity of NFL offensive schemes. Its more about the coaching of the new scheme and the players surrounding him getting right too. If he has issues it wont be because of not understanding the playbook IMO.
After researching him just prior to the draft and after it I didnt see any of these blatant negatives that were being thrown about in the pro media and social media. So far he has shown he has the guts to hang in the pocket, a good overall arm for most throws, a great arm/touch for several specific types of throws, good running ability, and a decent grasp of going through his reads.
His pocket awareness needs maturing/work. Fumbling is a huge issue that obviously has to be dealt with. Could be a deal breaker if he can't get it ironed out.
Bottom line is after one season its just logical to think the arrow is pointing up.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jul 17, 2020 15:43:13 GMT -5
I saw a ton of stuff to be excited about, and of course a few things to be concerned about. Let's see what the kid build on im not concerned., He has the mechanics and the athleticism we havent seen from a QB in a long time. Better line will help those fumbles out. Garrett may help here as well. one thing i will miss from pat was his red zone offense, it was pretty good, pass wise.
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Post by piddy283 on Jul 17, 2020 15:56:07 GMT -5
As someone who hated the pick, I was very pleased with Jones' play overall. People who aren't Giants fans typically don't consider the fact Jones didn't play a single game with all of his weapons healthy. Barkley was hurt early, and battled getting back to 100% all year. The WR's were a revolving door. Engram was Engram. Not to mention the poor OL play.
As a rookie, having to deal with all of that and showing the promise he did is impressive to say the least.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 17, 2020 17:08:22 GMT -5
The word “great” gets thrown around a lot around here. When I think of great players I think of players who dominate at their position. Opposing teams game plan for them, they are the players that make it look so easy. Jones is not that, yet.. He’s a good QB who played very well his rookie year. What I got from him is he learned a lot playing under David Cutcliffe at Duke. His pro style offense got him ready for the NFL. He understands accuracy and timing are invaluable in the pros as a quarterback. He has a nice touch on his throws, knows when to put it in his chest and run, and can take a pop.
It’s far too early to say anything other than we’re happy and excited he’s on our team. I think this season is very important in his development. He’s learning a new system, opposing teams have a years worth of film on him, and I want to see if the game starts to slow down for him. Instead of thinking he just reacts. There’s plenty of positive to feel about Jones, his fumbling is a major concern. I don’t buy it’s an easy fix. If it was it would have been fixed by now. But, if that’s our biggest concern with him we should all breath a sigh of relief.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 17, 2020 17:13:26 GMT -5
Learning a "new" offense is a bit overstated by some. First off its not like Jones has been with the same scheme for years. Last year was a "new" offense too. Also its what these guys do. This is their profession. I am not making light of the complexity of NFL offensive schemes. Its more about the coaching of the new scheme and the players surrounding him getting right too. If he has issues it wont be because of not understanding the playbook IMO. After researching him just prior to the draft and after it I didnt see any of these blatant negatives that were being thrown about in the pro media and social media. So far he has shown he has the guts to hang in the pocket, a good overall arm for most throws, a great arm/touch for several specific types of throws, good running ability, and a decent grasp of going through his reads. His pocket awareness needs maturing/work. Fumbling is a huge issue that obviously has to be dealt with. Could be a deal breaker if he can't get it ironed out. Bottom line is after one season its just logical to think the arrow is pointing up. Garrett is a smart coach who will make the transition easy for him. They wouldn't have hired him if they thought he would set back Daniel's career. He's learning a new offense, not a new sport.... It's mostly terminology, and he's already been at it for months.
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Post by Jomo on Jul 17, 2020 17:36:03 GMT -5
Learning a "new" offense is a bit overstated by some. First off its not like Jones has been with the same scheme for years. Last year was a "new" offense too. Also its what these guys do. This is their profession. I am not making light of the complexity of NFL offensive schemes. Its more about the coaching of the new scheme and the players surrounding him getting right too. If he has issues it wont be because of not understanding the playbook IMO. After researching him just prior to the draft and after it I didnt see any of these blatant negatives that were being thrown about in the pro media and social media. So far he has shown he has the guts to hang in the pocket, a good overall arm for most throws, a great arm/touch for several specific types of throws, good running ability, and a decent grasp of going through his reads. His pocket awareness needs maturing/work. Fumbling is a huge issue that obviously has to be dealt with. Could be a deal breaker if he can't get it ironed out. Bottom line is after one season its just logical to think the arrow is pointing up. Garrett is a smart coach who will make the transition easy for him. They wouldn't have hired him if they thought he would set back Daniel's career. He's learning a new offense, not a new sport.... It's mostly terminology, and he's already been at it for months. I hated the idea of Garrett coming here in any capacity but I was wrong and I now agree that he will only help Jones.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jul 17, 2020 18:37:11 GMT -5
I think he is better than Eli , he may even be better than simms given time. as far as his ability. Now if he wins a sb idk, that takes a coach and team also. I dont agree with some of this guys breakdown , as we see the dt spin move off the C/G . Jones cant get rid of it that quickly. We just need a better C. That was redundant, when you said he is better than Eli you were already saying he was better than Simms. 😎
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 17, 2020 19:26:23 GMT -5
Excellent breakdown. Check it out.
Why the rhetorical subject line?
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 17, 2020 20:15:16 GMT -5
Is Jones a great QB? No
Could Jones be a great QB? Yes
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 17, 2020 20:22:43 GMT -5
Is Jones a great QB? No Could Jones be a great QB? Yes A lot of it is mental and toughness. I think he has both.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 17, 2020 21:36:03 GMT -5
Is Jones a great QB? No Could Jones be a great QB? Yes A lot of it is mental and toughness. I think he has both. Totally agree
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jul 17, 2020 21:58:48 GMT -5
Actually I’m going to lean the other way, I’m not sure how curable his gross lack of pocket awareness and ability to sense pressure is. There are some real glaring deficiencies in those videos. I think you’re going to get that mixed bag of good and awful along with some definite injuries. It’s great to keep looking downfield, but not if you have zero idea what is happening around you. That breakdown absolutely did not make me feel better about Jones because this isn’t like TC stopping Tikis fumbling problems, it’s actually a much more large scale issue.
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Post by Roswell on Jul 17, 2020 22:01:27 GMT -5
Bringing in Garrett was a very smart move. He will make a big difference in Jones’ development.
That is, if he stays for a few years.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 17, 2020 22:43:38 GMT -5
I think he is better than Eli , he may even be better than simms given time. as far as his ability. Now if he wins a sb idk, that takes a coach and team also. I dont agree with some of this guys breakdown , as we see the dt spin move off the C/G . Jones cant get rid of it that quickly. We just need a better C. That was redundant, when you said he is better than Eli you were already saying he was better than Simms. 😎 Hee hee
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Post by ocgiant on Jul 17, 2020 22:56:08 GMT -5
NO
and NO comparison to Eli or Sims yet, I hope he is better... other than he hurt his ankle last year so durability is a question mark
Do I think he is putting in the work Yes, is he capable YES to make any comparison at this time, NO
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Post by DJones19 on Jul 17, 2020 22:57:31 GMT -5
This is the same guy who made the 'The Giants CANNOT afford to pass on Dwayne Haskins.' His subscribers laughed at the Jones pick. He seemed to be focusing on the negative to justify the above statement.
No bold predictions in this video just a - "Jones may be good, he may not be good."
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Post by thetruth on Jul 18, 2020 2:56:30 GMT -5
Excellent breakdown. Check it out.
Why the rhetorical subject line?
Its literally the name of the video. Reading the posts here very few actually watched the video. Obvious to see. The other thing thats obvious is the Giants fans collective insecurity of Jones issues. They are there, as are the pros. His success is yet to be determined, here's hoping for the bet.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 18, 2020 8:06:58 GMT -5
Learning a "new" offense is a bit overstated by some. First off its not like Jones has been with the same scheme for years. Last year was a "new" offense too. Also its what these guys do. This is their profession. I am not making light of the complexity of NFL offensive schemes. Its more about the coaching of the new scheme and the players surrounding him getting right too. If he has issues it wont be because of not understanding the playbook IMO. After researching him just prior to the draft and after it I didnt see any of these blatant negatives that were being thrown about in the pro media and social media. So far he has shown he has the guts to hang in the pocket, a good overall arm for most throws, a great arm/touch for several specific types of throws, good running ability, and a decent grasp of going through his reads. His pocket awareness needs maturing/work. Fumbling is a huge issue that obviously has to be dealt with. Could be a deal breaker if he can't get it ironed out. Bottom line is after one season its just logical to think the arrow is pointing up. Garrett is a smart coach who will make the transition easy for him. They wouldn't have hired him if they thought he would set back Daniel's career. He's learning a new offense, not a new sport.... It's mostly terminology, and he's already been at it for months. exactly......The kid will do fine with the technical stuff regarding the scheme.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 18, 2020 8:29:47 GMT -5
Why the rhetorical subject line?
Its literally the name of the video. Reading the posts here very few actually watched the video. Obvious to see. The other thing thats obvious is the Giants fans collective insecurity of Jones issues. They are there, as are the pros. His success is yet to be determined, here's hoping for the bet. You asked if Jones was a “great” QB after his rookie year. Sorry but I just see that as a silly question to ask and it’s not what the video narrator is asking.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 18, 2020 9:15:17 GMT -5
Why the rhetorical subject line?
Its literally the name of the video. Reading the posts here very few actually watched the video. Obvious to see.The other thing thats obvious is the Giants fans collective insecurity of Jones issues. They are there, as are the pros. His success is yet to be determined, here's hoping for the bet. You got me. I didn’t watch the video. Still haven’t, and probably never will..
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Post by GameTime on Jul 18, 2020 9:40:23 GMT -5
"So much to dislike".... ahhh....no. A couple of things for sure. Pocket awareness and ball security.
He does the review like Jones has been an NFL QB for 2 or 3 seasons already.
Does he eve mention the shitty oline play?
Ok video to watch the plays. That part was the best part.
The dude talks out his ass many times too. For instance he comments on a throw that Jones should have thrown deep for his receiver to "meet" the ball but ignores the fact that the Safety floating over would have broken up the play.
Jones needs work....no shit. He has 13 games under his belt.
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