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Post by TCHOF on Sept 22, 2020 12:25:35 GMT -5
in what aspects are the "much" further along. I'd like to hear this. Not your view but actual valid reasons. You didn’t answer my question so I’ll ask again. Did you watch their games or just highlights? The way they see the field , how they find the open receiver, how they feel the pressure and adjust. Burrow went off against Cleveland who DO have a good defense. 316 yards 3 touchdowns, O interceptions Quarter Back Rating 90.6 Herbert 311 yards 1 touchdown, 1 interception QBR 94.4 Danial Jones knew from last season that he had to fix his turnovers and improve ball security. Here we are a season later and he is still marking the same mistakes. So either he is very dumb and can’t understand what he is doing wrong or he can’t process the plays fast enough Either way he is hurting the team more then helping. He is a legit Turn Over Machine So far after 2 weeks 3 interceptions and not sure 1-2 fumbles? 241 yards, O touchdowns 1 interception Quarter Back Rating 68.9. Cleveland currently has the 29th ranked defense.
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Post by jaymas on Sept 22, 2020 12:43:41 GMT -5
Really, so far a head? Man, that Joe Burrow and his 0-2 start is so far ahead of Daniel Jones. Same with Herbert and his 0-1 start. Some of you guys really need to wait until around Wednesday to post stuff after a loss. I mean, since we're making jokes, I got one too; You guys hold on to your common sense after a loss about as good as Jones holds on to football during a game. Have you watched any of their games? I am being serious Yes they are much further along. Did you watch Jones' rookie year? Come back when Burrow and Herbert have 4 games with 4 TDs and one with 5 as rookies.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 22, 2020 16:33:48 GMT -5
You didn’t answer my question so I’ll ask again. Did you watch their games or just highlights? The way they see the field , how they find the open receiver, how they feel the pressure and adjust. Burrow went off against Cleveland who DO have a good defense. 316 yards 3 touchdowns, O interceptions Quarter Back Rating 90.6 Herbert 311 yards 1 touchdown, 1 interception QBR 94.4 Danial Jones knew from last season that he had to fix his turnovers and improve ball security. Here we are a season later and he is still marking the same mistakes. So either he is very dumb and can’t understand what he is doing wrong or he can’t process the plays fast enough Either way he is hurting the team more then helping. He is a legit Turn Over Machine So far after 2 weeks 3 interceptions and not sure 1-2 fumbles? 241 yards, O touchdowns 1 interception Quarter Back Rating 68.9. Cleveland currently has the 29th ranked defense. And they're 0-2. I like both those guys, and Allen. I don't get the binary thing. As if you can only like the Beatles or the Stones. You can't like both?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 20:13:31 GMT -5
Have you watched any of their games? I am being serious Yes they are much further along. Did you watch Jones' rookie year? Come back when Burrow and Herbert have 4 games with TDs and one with 5 as rookies. Ok
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 20:15:01 GMT -5
You didn’t answer my question so I’ll ask again. Did you watch their games or just highlights? The way they see the field , how they find the open receiver, how they feel the pressure and adjust. Burrow went off against Cleveland who DO have a good defense. 316 yards 3 touchdowns, O interceptions Quarter Back Rating 90.6 Herbert 311 yards 1 touchdown, 1 interception QBR 94.4 Danial Jones knew from last season that he had to fix his turnovers and improve ball security. Here we are a season later and he is still marking the same mistakes. So either he is very dumb and can’t understand what he is doing wrong or he can’t process the plays fast enough Either way he is hurting the team more then helping. He is a legit Turn Over Machine So far after 2 weeks 3 interceptions and not sure 1-2 fumbles? 241 yards, O touchdowns 1 interception Quarter Back Rating 68.9. Cleveland currently has the 29th ranked defense. After two weeks. It’s hard to go off Rankings until you have a full season. You don’t think on Paper Cleveland’s Defense is good?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 20:20:38 GMT -5
OMG you’re debating me and didn’t even watch them play. How can you have an opinion then? I am not even going to reply to your response because you have no idea what you’re talking about because you admittedly didn’t watch them play. PS I posted the stats about last week. Look at the (3) players stats I posted. They are ALL from last week. We didn’t even play the Steelers last week. You know that right? thats why I gave you DJs stats from his first two games last season. Like I said apples to apples. So if we are going on DJ’s stats from last year compared to his stats from this year Jones must have surely regressed. Shouldn’t he be better in his second year then his first. I am comparing two rookies with 2 games under their belts compared to Jones who is in his 2nd year. Watch Burrow play and let me know your honest opinion. It’s not even stats. It just feels different
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Post by jaymas on Sept 22, 2020 21:59:49 GMT -5
thats why I gave you DJs stats from his first two games last season. Like I said apples to apples. So if we are going on DJ’s stats from last year compared to his stats from this year Jones must have surely regressed. Shouldn’t he be better in his second year then his first. I am comparing two rookies with 2 games under their belts compared to Jones who is in his 2nd year. Watch Burrow play and let me know your honest opinion. It’s not even stats. It just feels different Dude...it's two games. He's started 14 total in his career. In reality there's zero definitive conclusions we can draw about any of these guys yet...let alone the rooks that have 1 and 2 starts respectively.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 23, 2020 5:34:02 GMT -5
thats why I gave you DJs stats from his first two games last season. Like I said apples to apples. So if we are going on DJ’s stats from last year compared to his stats from this year Jones must have surely regressed. Shouldn’t he be better in his second year then his first. I am comparing two rookies with 2 games under their belts compared to Jones who is in his 2nd year. Watch Burrow play and let me know your honest opinion. It’s not even stats. It just feels different so its a "feel" thing... I get it now I will try ti catch a game. So all QBs get progressively better every game they play? If not they regress? Thats true for a vet nor a rookiw nor a 2nd year QB. Two games mean squat as fars as regression or overall getting better. I a looking at it with logic that there is no way in hell two rookie QBs, even if they are doing well, can be light years ahead of what DJ has shown in only 16 games. Burrows and Herbert may turn out to be great all time NFL QBs but you cant see that in two games.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 12:34:01 GMT -5
So if we are going on DJ’s stats from last year compared to his stats from this year Jones must have surely regressed. Shouldn’t he be better in his second year then his first. I am comparing two rookies with 2 games under their belts compared to Jones who is in his 2nd year. Watch Burrow play and let me know your honest opinion. It’s not even stats. It just feels different Dude...it's two games. He's started 14 total in his career. In reality there's zero definitive conclusions we can draw about any of these guys yet...let alone the rooks that have 1 and 2 starts respectively. Yeah Dude!! I guess I can’t eat a dinner and the first time say Wow this Dinner is Great. I have to wait until I eat 5 years of Dinners before I can voice my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 12:39:02 GMT -5
So if we are going on DJ’s stats from last year compared to his stats from this year Jones must have surely regressed. Shouldn’t he be better in his second year then his first. I am comparing two rookies with 2 games under their belts compared to Jones who is in his 2nd year. Watch Burrow play and let me know your honest opinion. It’s not even stats. It just feels different so its a "feel" thing... I get it now I will try ti catch a game. So all QBs get progressively better every game they play? If not they regress? Thats true for a vet nor a rookiw nor a 2nd year QB. Two games mean squat as fars as regression or overall getting better. I a looking at it with logic that there is no way in hell two rookie QBs, even if they are doing well, can be light years ahead of what DJ has shown in only 16 games. Burrows and Herbert may turn out to be great all time NFL QBs but you cant see that in two games. I am not even debating with you. You’re ridiculous bro. You have an opinion on players without ever watching even 1 game they played. That’s like telling everyone a movie stinks when you haven’t even watched it. Come on. You’re better then this
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 23, 2020 13:21:22 GMT -5
Really, so far a head? Man, that Joe Burrow and his 0-2 start is so far ahead of Daniel Jones. Same with Herbert and his 0-1 start. Some of you guys really need to wait until around Wednesday to post stuff after a loss. I mean, since we're making jokes, I got one too; You guys hold on to your common sense after a loss about as good as Jones holds on to football during a game. Have you watched any of their games? I am being serious Yes they are much further along. I have watched them both. I like both guys but I do not see either of them as further along than Jones. They all look about the same at this point, along with Allen, Minshew, Mayfied, Murray, Darnold, Lock and Haskins. Lots of exciting new QBs in the league, it's fun to watch. As far as the teams are concerned, each team seems to have no trouble living up to their talent with their respective QBs.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 23, 2020 14:03:35 GMT -5
so its a "feel" thing... I get it now I will try ti catch a game. So all QBs get progressively better every game they play? If not they regress? Thats true for a vet nor a rookiw nor a 2nd year QB. Two games mean squat as fars as regression or overall getting better. I a looking at it with logic that there is no way in hell two rookie QBs, even if they are doing well, can be light years ahead of what DJ has shown in only 16 games. Burrows and Herbert may turn out to be great all time NFL QBs but you cant see that in two games. I am not even debating with you. You’re ridiculous bro. You have an opinion on players without ever watching even 1 game they played. That’s like telling everyone a movie stinks when you haven’t even watched it. Come on. You’re better then this good because there is no debate. glad we cleared that up.
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Post by jaymas on Sept 23, 2020 14:04:28 GMT -5
Dude...it's two games. He's started 14 total in his career. In reality there's zero definitive conclusions we can draw about any of these guys yet...let alone the rooks that have 1 and 2 starts respectively. Yeah Dude!! I guess I can’t eat a dinner and the first time say Wow this Dinner is Great. I have to wait until I eat 5 years of Dinners before I can voice my opinion. K, well in that case you have no argument. Daniel Jones has played solid to absolutely fantastic in far more NFL games than Burrow or Herbert to this point. In fact neither of them has had a game that's sniffed Jones' three best games from last year. These are statistical, objective facts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 13:08:41 GMT -5
TheAnalyst. Look at all the heat I took saying I thought Burrow and Herbert played better then DJ so far this year
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Post by njsean on Sept 27, 2020 9:11:05 GMT -5
TheAnalyst. Look at all the heat I took saying I thought Burrow and Herbert played better then DJ so far this year Saying they PLAYED better so far - assuming QB play takes place in a vacuum - is fine. Jones has had some rough games against tough defenses with little to no help from a run game. If others are inferring that statement as saying they ARE better, then yeah, they’re totally justified in disagreeing. I watched Herbert’s first start. Didn’t think it was as strong as Jones’s first against the Bucs. At all.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 27, 2020 10:24:41 GMT -5
Hers the bottom line DJ has played 2 of the best pass defenses in the league. Not a PFF guy but Jones is rated #10 in the league at this moment for those who get what PFF is selling. Burrow was terrible game one better game 2 Herbert looked like Jones did last year in his first start great. Lets see where this all ends up. I would not say in 2 games that Burrow nor Herbert are or even played better then DJ, when Burrow and Herbert who I like a lot face some tougher defenses we will see how they are growing.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 27, 2020 13:29:21 GMT -5
Yeah.... you still wanna debate the DJ vs Burrow or Lawrence thing?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 13:43:34 GMT -5
Yeah.... you still wanna debate the DJ vs Burrow or Lawrence thing? I called it bro
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 13:44:56 GMT -5
I am not even debating with you. You’re ridiculous bro. You have an opinion on players without ever watching even 1 game they played. That’s like telling everyone a movie stinks when you haven’t even watched it. Come on. You’re better then this good because there is no debate. glad we cleared that up. Soooo DJ is getting better huh
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Post by mj312 on Sept 27, 2020 14:15:33 GMT -5
It’s easy to jump on jones right now bc he doesn’t look sharp.. idk what to say at this point .. I think jones is a solid player , and if you put some talent around him I think he would put you in position to have success . I think we are way over critical of jones because he was picked at 6 and as of right now he’s not looking like a 6 pick .. gettleman fell in love and jumped the gun.. we can debate all we want about whether he would have been there at 17 or not but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s just not a 6 pick .. if we were able to get josh allen at 6 and jones at 17 I just feel so much different about him..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 14:19:03 GMT -5
It’s easy to jump on jones right now bc he doesn’t look sharp.. idk what to say at this point .. I think jones is a solid player , and if you put some talent around him I think he would put you in position to have success . I think we are way over critical of jones because he was picked at 6 and as of right now he’s not looking like a 6 pick .. gettleman fell in love and jumped the gun.. we can debate all we want about whether he would have been there at 17 or not but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s just not a 6 pick .. if we were able to get josh allen at 6 and jones at 17 I just feel so much different about him.. What has he done this year well ok first 3 games that gives you that impression? He makes awful decisions and turns the ball over multiple times a game He is the best running back on the team however
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Post by GameTime on Sept 27, 2020 14:29:39 GMT -5
good because there is no debate. glad we cleared that up. Soooo DJ is getting better huh I really thoguht he was. He is a officially a turnover machine..... I still dont think Burrows or Herbert are sure things or even better.... yet so that discussion is for another day,
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Post by mj312 on Sept 27, 2020 14:35:31 GMT -5
It’s easy to jump on jones right now bc he doesn’t look sharp.. idk what to say at this point .. I think jones is a solid player , and if you put some talent around him I think he would put you in position to have success . I think we are way over critical of jones because he was picked at 6 and as of right now he’s not looking like a 6 pick .. gettleman fell in love and jumped the gun.. we can debate all we want about whether he would have been there at 17 or not but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s just not a 6 pick .. if we were able to get josh allen at 6 and jones at 17 I just feel so much different about him.. What has he done this year well ok first 3 games that gives you that impression? He makes awful decisions and turns the ball over multiple times a game He is the best running back on the team however What has jones done that I think he has the potential to win games ? Listen , I’ve been saying since they drafted him it was a mistake and that I hated the pick .. with that said , I do think he’s a gamer and has some talent and can win some games but he needs solid players around him.. I don’t think jones alone will be a difference maker and he’s not a joe burrow who just has that built in swag.. my biggest concern this year with jones is coming true .. he came in last year on a lost season where all the fans were calling for Eli to be benched with zero expectations and certainly played well and he had nothing to lose .. this year there’s no Eli to blame and all the pressure is on Jones to perform and players react differently . There’s not enough talent around him to help him at all and he’s not talented enough to win games alone . This is exactly the reason that Eli looked horrible .. the talent on this offense is below average everywhere including the line ..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 14:38:02 GMT -5
What has he done this year well ok first 3 games that gives you that impression? He makes awful decisions and turns the ball over multiple times a game He is the best running back on the team however What has jones done that I think he has the potential to win games ? Listen , I’ve been saying since they drafted him it was a mistake and that I hated the pick .. with that said , I do think he’s a gamer and has some talent and can win some games but he needs solid players around him.. I don’t think jones alone will be a difference maker and he’s not a joe burrow who just has that built in swag.. my biggest concern this year with jones is coming true .. he came in last year on a lost season where all the fans were calling for Eli to be benched with zero expectations and certainly played well and he had nothing to lose .. this year there’s no Eli to blame and all the pressure is on Jones to perform and players react differently . There’s not enough talent around him to help him at all and he’s not talented enough to win games alone . This is exactly the reason that Eli looked horrible .. the talent on this offense is below average everywhere including the line .. I agree we have no talent but that doesn’t stop him from multiple turnovers in games. Almost just threw another one. We picked him #6. He is below average at best. Mullens looks much better today.
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Post by mj312 on Sept 27, 2020 14:45:51 GMT -5
What has jones done that I think he has the potential to win games ? Listen , I’ve been saying since they drafted him it was a mistake and that I hated the pick .. with that said , I do think he’s a gamer and has some talent and can win some games but he needs solid players around him.. I don’t think jones alone will be a difference maker and he’s not a joe burrow who just has that built in swag.. my biggest concern this year with jones is coming true .. he came in last year on a lost season where all the fans were calling for Eli to be benched with zero expectations and certainly played well and he had nothing to lose .. this year there’s no Eli to blame and all the pressure is on Jones to perform and players react differently . There’s not enough talent around him to help him at all and he’s not talented enough to win games alone . This is exactly the reason that Eli looked horrible .. the talent on this offense is below average everywhere including the line .. I agree we have no talent but that doesn’t stop him from multiple turnovers in games. Almost just threw another one. We picked him #6. He is below average at best. Mullens looks much better today. Yeah he doesn’t look good at all.. makes you kinda sick to think we took jones at 6 and mullens was undrafted
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 14:47:06 GMT -5
I agree we have no talent but that doesn’t stop him from multiple turnovers in games. Almost just threw another one. We picked him #6. He is below average at best. Mullens looks much better today. Yeah he doesn’t look good at all.. makes you kinda sick to think we took jones at 6 and mullens was undrafted Add Barkley at 2 and you’ll really vomit
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Post by mj312 on Sept 27, 2020 15:24:44 GMT -5
Yeah he doesn’t look good at all.. makes you kinda sick to think we took jones at 6 and mullens was undrafted Add Barkley at 2 and you’ll really vomit We are a joke once again .. embarrassing
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 27, 2020 15:43:02 GMT -5
Yeah.... you still wanna debate the DJ vs Burrow or Lawrence thing? I called it bro lmao!
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Sept 27, 2020 15:45:55 GMT -5
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 27, 2020 15:46:05 GMT -5
Yeah.... you still wanna debate the DJ vs Burrow or Lawrence thing? Who? I doubt anyone is ignorant enough to start arguing something like that after a handful of games. Well, maybe some kids and some FF GMs but that's about it.
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