theproblem
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Post by theproblem on Oct 28, 2020 12:47:54 GMT -5
That one I'll give you. That was just an ugly game, but I stand by what I said. Different year, different coaching, different players, this 1-6 feels different. Would be nice if it had different results. I felt we changed in 2016. But a year later we were right back in the mess, and have been ever since. 2016? That year with MacAdoo that we went to the playoffs? |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 28, 2020 13:13:17 GMT -5
Would be nice if it had different results. I felt we changed in 2016. But a year later we were right back in the mess, and have been ever since. 2016? That year with MacAdoo that we went to the playoffs? Yup. The only good season this team has seen in the past 8-9 years. I thought we would keep that defense playing great for a few years and build the offense up to McAdoos system. He did want Mahomes apparently. That would have been nice. |
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jerky
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Post by jerky on Oct 28, 2020 13:35:24 GMT -5
The Giants, with Barkley, are 8-23. Of those 8 wins, he had 20+ carries in 6, the other 2 he got injured in.
Of those 23 losses, he had 20+ carries in 1 game. You could say that if you involve Barkley more, it means more wins.
Here are his percentages of carries based on yardage:
0 or Less: 24%
1-5: 44%
5-10: 20%
10-20: 7%
20+: 5%
It's fair to say most of his runs are between 0-10 yards, and his 10+ yard carries kind of offset his negative carries. So this negates the argument that he only gets nothing or everything.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 28, 2020 14:12:47 GMT -5
2016? That year with MacAdoo that we went to the playoffs? Yup. The only good season this team has seen in the past 8-9 years. I thought we would keep that defense playing great for a few years and build the offense up to McAdoos system. He did want Mahomes apparently. That would have been nice. Or an absolute disaster. Mcadoo's system was killing the offense. I can't imagine the damage that may have taken place had they doubled down on that bad hand. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 28, 2020 14:35:26 GMT -5
The Giants, with Barkley, are 8-23. Of those 8 wins, he had 20+ carries in 6, the other 2 he got injured in. Of those 23 losses, he had 20+ carries in 1 game. You could say that if you involve Barkley more, it means more wins. Here are his percentages of carries based on yardage: 0 or Less: 24% 1-5: 44% 5-10: 20% 10-20: 7% 20+: 5% It's fair to say most of his runs are between 0-10 yards, and his 10+ yard carries kind of offset his negative carries. So this negates the argument that he only gets nothing or everything. I didnt count the TB game since he didnt finish it, and when he was in, we were down by multiple TDs. We only came back after he left the game. I was trying to tally full games. The other point, we would run the ball more when we are winning. Thats what teams do. When we are losing we would pass more. So his 20+ run mark = more wins needs context. More likely than not, we were running the ball to protect a lead and drain a clock, not running more to win a game and come from behind. |
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theproblem
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Post by theproblem on Oct 28, 2020 15:04:58 GMT -5
2016? That year with MacAdoo that we went to the playoffs? Yup. The only good season this team has seen in the past 8-9 years. I thought we would keep that defense playing great for a few years and build the offense up to McAdoos system. He did want Mahomes apparently. That would have been nice. That season reminded me of the Jet's season of the previous year which was pretty much fools gold. That year the Giants only beat 2 teams that had a winning record(Dallas twice and Detroit). It was good that they beat the teams they were supposed to, but it's not like they were going against top QB's. On the surface, the defense appeared to be this really good defense, but as I said above, they weren't really facing anyone good. Six of those wins were against these QB's: Flaco, Keenum, Dalton, Cutler and McCown . Those guys are mostly meh. Aside from Stafford and Brees, they really didn't win against anyone who you'd consider to be good. Wentz and Dak were still in their first year and we split with Cousins(WFT). So when you really think about it, the defense only appeared to be good relative to poor competition. The offense on the other hand wasn't really that great. 26th in scoring, 25th in yards. With all the money spent on Jenkins/Snacks/Vernon, the FO(Reese) wasn't really able to work on the O-line, which still needed some help and had no depth, which we found out the hard way when players starting dropping like flies. When you take all of that into consideration, it wasn't a surprise that 2017 went poorly. Plus, MacAdoo was just a really bad coach. |
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jerky
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Post by jerky on Oct 29, 2020 12:54:29 GMT -5
The Giants, with Barkley, are 8-23. Of those 8 wins, he had 20+ carries in 6, the other 2 he got injured in. Of those 23 losses, he had 20+ carries in 1 game. You could say that if you involve Barkley more, it means more wins. Here are his percentages of carries based on yardage: 0 or Less: 24% 1-5: 44% 5-10: 20% 10-20: 7% 20+: 5% It's fair to say most of his runs are between 0-10 yards, and his 10+ yard carries kind of offset his negative carries. So this negates the argument that he only gets nothing or everything. I didnt count the TB game since he didnt finish it, and when he was in, we were down by multiple TDs. We only came back after he left the game. I was trying to tally full games. The other point, we would run the ball more when we are winning. Thats what teams do. When we are losing we would pass more. So his 20+ run mark = more wins needs context. More likely than not, we were running the ball to protect a lead and drain a clock, not running more to win a game and come from behind. Here are his rushes in the 4th quarter of each of those wins:
2018 Giants/Texans:
3 rushes in 4th. 20-15 Giants with 7:43 to go. The drive that iced the game (made it 27-15), he had 3 rushes/3 catches for 30 total yards.
Giants/49ers: 2 rushes in 4th. 49ers were winning with 2:50 to go.
Giants/Buccaneers: 9 rushes in 4th. 31-28 Giants with 3:55 to go. Giants iced game (38-28), Barkley had 4 rushes, 13 yards, and a TD in the drive (big play 54 yard to Engram for the rest).
Giants/Bears: 9 rushes in 4th/OT. This was a tied game obviously, going to OT. Barkley had 4 rushes, 36 yards in OT to set up game-winning FG. Total yards in that drive was 49.
Giants/WFT: 0 rushes in 4th. This was a rout, it was 40-0 start of the 4th, Barkley was pulled. He had 197 total yards (170 rushing/27 receiving) and 1 TD.
2019 Giants/Dolphins: 3 rushes in 4th. He had a TD at the start of the 4th to make it 30-13. He had 3 rushes for 17 yards, and I think he was pulled for the second half of the 4th qtr.
Giants/WFT: This went to OT, so close game. Barkley had 6 rushes in OT for 31 yards to set up Kaden Smith TD.
So, I think you can tell from these wins that his stats were not just to close out games when they were ahead. They actually rarely had such leads, and when they had leads, he was instrumental in icing the game.
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Parsley
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Post by Parsley on Nov 1, 2020 23:06:11 GMT -5
Trash x 4
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Post by Dogecoin on Nov 3, 2020 18:33:36 GMT -5
The one game outside the division this week was ours, and of course we lost. And of course it was close. And of course the officials jobbed us. And of course one of our key guys made critical costly errors he shouldn't be making at this point in his career.
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Post by Dogecoin on Nov 8, 2020 16:49:48 GMT -5
Assuming cowboys lose today to steelers, the division will come down to giants and eagles next week. If we can somehow pull that off, we'll only be a half game back. Unreal. But of course we're just being setting up for our eagles daddy to come slap us down again, right? I sure hope tate is back and inspired, and Jones bothers throwing it his way. Don't see us having a chance without him being a factor.
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 9, 2020 7:06:02 GMT -5
Assuming cowboys lose today to steelers, the division will come down to giants and eagles next week. If we can somehow pull that off, we'll only be a half game back. Unreal. But of course we're just being setting up for our eagles daddy to come slap us down again, right? I sure hope tate is back and inspired, and Jones bothers throwing it his way. Don't see us having a chance without him being a factor. I liked what I saw from Mack yesterday better than any single game from Tate this year. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 9, 2020 20:28:09 GMT -5
7-7 in division
2-17-1 outside division
Amazing
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Post by Dogecoin on Nov 15, 2020 14:18:39 GMT -5
are we actually best team in the division? we own skins, cowboys we gave one away and theyve only gotten worse since, eagles we have one away and they look like total crap in the this first half against us. we'll only be a half game out if we go onto win (yeah, we probably wont given our history), but let's pretend for a moment we do: I honestly think we'd be the best team in this division.
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Post by DJones19 on Nov 15, 2020 15:33:43 GMT -5
JPP intercepted a pass.
I wonder if they'll count it as a one-handed catch.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 15, 2020 18:01:01 GMT -5
Eagles next 5 games are all against teams with over 500 records
6 wins takes the NFC east..
Giants are the only team in the division trending upwards long term..
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 15, 2020 20:22:19 GMT -5
7-7 in division 2-17-1 outside division Amazing 8-8 in division 2-18-1 outside it. Someone has to win right? Well, we have the Seahawks, Cardinals and Ravens to still play... Id say all 3 of them are Ls. Browns are going to be real tough as well. Dallas and Cincy are doable. That would be 5-6 wins, which is the exact record I predicted in the summer. That would put us at 4-2 in the division which I didnt think was possible. |
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Post by DandyDon on Nov 15, 2020 20:37:24 GMT -5
Would be nice if it had different results. I felt we changed in 2016. But a year later we were right back in the mess, and have been ever since. 2016? That year with MacAdoo that we went to the playoffs? Yeah, that year was amazing. The team spent over $200 million on defense to get to a playoff game and be embarrassed on national TV. Their star wr was in the media after partying and dropped every big pass he was thrown. Good times. I'll actually take 3-7 and a plan over that "success." Just MO. |
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Post by Dogecoin on Nov 15, 2020 21:20:10 GMT -5
7-7 in division 2-17-1 outside division Amazing 8-8 in division 2-18-1 outside it. Someone has to win right? Well, we have the Seahawks, Cardinals and Ravens to still play... Id say all 3 of them are Ls. Browns are going to be real tough as well. Dallas and Cincy are doable. That would be 5-6 wins, which is the exact record I predicted in the summer. That would put us at 4-2 in the division which I didnt think was possible. that schedule sure sounds daunting, thinking we have no chance ... then remembering the rest of the division, thinking we have as good/better chance than any of the others |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 15, 2020 21:33:38 GMT -5
7-7 in division 2-17-1 outside division Amazing 8-8 in division 2-18-1 outside it. Someone has to win right? Well, we have the Seahawks, Cardinals and Ravens to still play... Id say all 3 of them are Ls. Browns are going to be real tough as well. Dallas and Cincy are doable. That would be 5-6 wins, which is the exact record I predicted in the summer. That would put us at 4-2 in the division which I didnt think was possible. I had 5/6 wins myself |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 15, 2020 21:37:17 GMT -5
Meanwhile Dallas has to start winning some games
Jacksonville put a scare in us nearly getting win number 2
Last thing we need is them with a top 2 pick and a shot at Fields without a trade up
Tbe ultimate get out of jail free cards
They have 3 winnable games upcoming,
Philly and the WTFs at home and I think San Fran at home
Hell they still have a shot at the division,lol
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Post by Dogecoin on Nov 22, 2020 11:56:05 GMT -5
Philly vs browns
Cowboys vs vikings
That football team vs bengals
Only that football team is favored. If division gets one win this week I'm ok with that being it. We have first tie breaker against them, eagles still have traditionally been our masters, and cowboys I think are showing some signs of improvement with their latest iteration at QB.
Playing out that way puts us alone in 2nd, half game back of eagles. Accordingly eagles are the team we most need to lose today. Go browns!!
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Parsley
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Post by Parsley on Nov 22, 2020 17:41:53 GMT -5
The football team wins.
The Eagles lose which is always lovely.
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Post by Dogecoin on Nov 22, 2020 20:16:41 GMT -5
Nfc least did the unthinkable and had a winning weekend outside the division. But at least the one loss by philly is best for giants. Giants shockingly 1/2 game out of first and alone in 2nd due to again shockingly best division record at 3-2.
Going forward eagles look like a beaten team so I'm counting them out. Dog fight from here between us and the other two, week 17 against cowboys looms large.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 22, 2020 21:40:09 GMT -5
Vikings losing to Dallas...
That's terrible. They let Dalton have his way.
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Post by GameTime on Nov 22, 2020 21:59:56 GMT -5
Vikings losing to Dallas... That's terrible. They let Dalton have his way. Vikes choke |
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Post by GameTime on Nov 22, 2020 22:01:07 GMT -5
Giants only win 2 maybe 3 games going forward.
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Parsley
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Post by Parsley on Nov 22, 2020 23:17:43 GMT -5
The NY GIANTS will be tied for 1st after the Eagles lose on Monday night football next week.
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Post by robl on Nov 23, 2020 13:41:32 GMT -5
The NY GIANTS will be tied for 1st after the Eagles lose on Monday night football next week. Being tied is extremely unlikely. |
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Post by Dogecoin on Nov 23, 2020 21:47:09 GMT -5
Who would have thought Thanksgiving day game with a pair of 3-7 teams (cowboys and that football team) would have such serious playoff ramifications?
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Post by giantsalmon on Nov 23, 2020 22:49:48 GMT -5
Who would have thought Thanksgiving day game with a pair of 3-7 teams (cowboys and that football team) would have such serious playoff ramifications? I'm thinking we want the football team(ridiculous name) to win since NYG already swept them? |
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