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Post by Jomo on Oct 1, 2020 18:28:47 GMT -5
nothing personal but try and trade. Yes but we are 2 games late for that.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 1, 2020 18:46:22 GMT -5
nothing personal but try and trade. Yes but we are 2 games late for that. have to wait for recovery and getting him back on the field or they give him away for nothing and save on 10 mil on his salary. ( read that somewhere)
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Post by jaxnygmen on Oct 1, 2020 18:55:56 GMT -5
We should have moved back in 2018 and took Mike McGlinchey now with 49ers. We could have collected some picks and then maybe got back into first round and selected Calvin Ridley. We also picked up a QB in the fourth round Lauletta that was an absolute waste of a pick.
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Post by jmike on Oct 2, 2020 8:19:17 GMT -5
You need good players at all positions; but receivers is the least important group on on offense. If you have a good QB, you can get good production out of fairly mediocre WRs. Provided you have a good OL in front of him that will provide a good running game. That was the big mistake with Barkley. They likely thought they could skip a step with him, he was so good that he would provide a good running game even in absence of a good OL. I know a lot of fans who thought that. Well that failed. I am happy they are finally making what appears to be mostly smart moves on the OL.....finally....but they have put themselves behind the 8 ball there. That group needs to gel quick and even if they do, IDK if Gates is the answer at C. Thomas-Hernandez-A good Center-Hopefully KZ doesn't get old or Shane develops-Peart: hopefully that is the start of something there. Because until that is fixed we are just spinning our wheels everywhere else. When the Giants addressed both tackle positions in this draft with players with legitimate talent to start.....I jumped for joy in this draft. Only thing that would have made me happier is if they got a C in round 2 1-Thomas-T 2-Hennessy-C 3-Peart-T 4-Holmes 5-Lemieux-G 6-Runyan-G/T 7-Coughlin 7-Brunson 7-Williamson 7-Crowder Would have been a very nice draft. And your line of thinking is absolutely wrong when you have a young qb still developing... Modern NFL= good dynamic playmakers outside is extremely important Watch the Rams this week....their playmakers open up the running game Look at the big jump Allen took getting Diggs Hell..Quez Watkins in the 6th probably is starting for us right now Right now teams are pointing and laughing at our passing game because all they have to do is shade the deep safety over twards Slayton...play shallow on Tate..simple man press on Board and Ratley until they prove they can beat single press This now puts tbe otbet safety in a shallow zone near the los.. And the last thing a young developing O line needs that is still trying to gell is so many people near the LOS that can blitz the backs every play,which further complicates the line.. So yes WRs and really gooe ones teams fear are just as important cog in really good offenses as everything else No it isn't. Find me a "Modern NFL" QB that consistently performs and wins without at least an average OL in front of him. Or I'll save you the hunt, there isn't one. The OL is the single most important position group for the success of your QB and thus the success of your offense.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 2, 2020 8:41:35 GMT -5
And your line of thinking is absolutely wrong when you have a young qb still developing... Modern NFL= good dynamic playmakers outside is extremely important Watch the Rams this week....their playmakers open up the running game Look at the big jump Allen took getting Diggs Hell..Quez Watkins in the 6th probably is starting for us right now Right now teams are pointing and laughing at our passing game because all they have to do is shade the deep safety over twards Slayton...play shallow on Tate..simple man press on Board and Ratley until they prove they can beat single press This now puts tbe otbet safety in a shallow zone near the los.. And the last thing a young developing O line needs that is still trying to gell is so many people near the LOS that can blitz the backs every play,which further complicates the line.. So yes WRs and really gooe ones teams fear are just as important cog in really good offenses as everything else No it isn't. Find me a "Modern NFL" QB that consistently performs and wins without at least an average OL in front of him. Or I'll save you the hunt, there isn't one. The OL is the single most important position group for the success of your QB and thus the success of your offense. Agreed. OL helps the QB, RB and WRs.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 2, 2020 8:51:45 GMT -5
And your line of thinking is absolutely wrong when you have a young qb still developing... Modern NFL= good dynamic playmakers outside is extremely important Watch the Rams this week....their playmakers open up the running game Look at the big jump Allen took getting Diggs Hell..Quez Watkins in the 6th probably is starting for us right now Right now teams are pointing and laughing at our passing game because all they have to do is shade the deep safety over twards Slayton...play shallow on Tate..simple man press on Board and Ratley until they prove they can beat single press This now puts tbe otbet safety in a shallow zone near the los.. And the last thing a young developing O line needs that is still trying to gell is so many people near the LOS that can blitz the backs every play,which further complicates the line.. So yes WRs and really gooe ones teams fear are just as important cog in really good offenses as everything else No it isn't. Find me a "Modern NFL" QB that consistently performs and wins without at least an average OL in front of him. Or I'll save you the hunt, there isn't one. The OL is the single most important position group for the success of your QB and thus the success of your offense. Please don't put words in my mouth,its a horrible look I never minimized the importance of the O line But the fact is that if you don't have a reciever group that gets open quo9and can frighten a defense into compromising themselves into a deeper zone having a good O line is useless,especially when teams can overwhelm a line with numbers close to the Los and get creative with exotic run blitzes every play with little fear of getting burned
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 9:05:25 GMT -5
Man its a tough call, I like the dude so much, such a good kid and insanely talented...but....when he went down again my instinct lit up like, ugh, injured...again. i turned a corner in how i feel about him as a reliable player. i know our oline has been absolutely awful with the run game, but man its been discouraging watching him get totally stuffed play after play after play.
i sincerely wonder if the last couple years have him shellshocked.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 2, 2020 9:10:41 GMT -5
Man its a tough call, I like the dude so much, such a good kid and insanely talented...but....when he went down again my instinct lit up like, ugh, injured...again. i turned a corner in how i feel about him as a reliable player. i know our oline has been absolutely awful with the run game, but man its been discouraging watching him get totally stuffed play after play after play. i sincerely wonder if the last couple years have him shellshocked. We had all that draft capital and blew it on Saquan. Great talent but the positional impact was ignored by Dave. he even said it himself. he said they were following the analytics except "Saquan was special".
We yeah...if you have a good team with good players, a back like Saquan can make a big difference. If you have needs like we did (and still do) it was a wasted pick.
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Post by jmike on Oct 2, 2020 9:16:18 GMT -5
No it isn't. Find me a "Modern NFL" QB that consistently performs and wins without at least an average OL in front of him. Or I'll save you the hunt, there isn't one. The OL is the single most important position group for the success of your QB and thus the success of your offense. Please don't put words in my mouth,its a horrible look I never minimized the importance of the O line But the fact is that if you don't have a reciever group that gets open quo9and can frighten a defense into compromising themselves into a deeper zone having a good O line is useless,especially when teams can overwhelm a line with numbers close to the Los and get creative with exotic run blitzes every play with little fear of getting burned I put no words in your mouth. The receiver group matters little without an sufficient OL. You could have Peyton Manning throwing to Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Steve Smith and Julio Jones as his top 4 receivers; if the OL doesn't consistently perform, they will lose more games than they win.
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Post by jmike on Oct 2, 2020 9:19:16 GMT -5
Man its a tough call, I like the dude so much, such a good kid and insanely talented...but....when he went down again my instinct lit up like, ugh, injured...again. i turned a corner in how i feel about him as a reliable player. i know our oline has been absolutely awful with the run game, but man its been discouraging watching him get totally stuffed play after play after play. i sincerely wonder if the last couple years have him shellshocked. We had all that draft capital and blew it on Saquan. Great talent but the positional impact was ignored by Dave. he even said it himself. he said they were following the analytics except "Saquan was special".
We yeah...if you have a good team with good players, a back like Saquan can make a big difference. If you have needs like we did (and still do) it was a wasted pick.
And yet some want to continue the mistake if we somehow get the top pick and take another QB. Putting him behind an incomplete OL, with no running game, mediocre WRs and a poor defense and expect he will somehow produce a winning team. Not gonna happen. Fix the OL, fix the defense, then start talking to me about what WRs and RBs to add.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 2, 2020 9:24:28 GMT -5
We had all that draft capital and blew it on Saquan. Great talent but the positional impact was ignored by Dave. he even said it himself. he said they were following the analytics except "Saquan was special".
We yeah...if you have a good team with good players, a back like Saquan can make a big difference. If you have needs like we did (and still do) it was a wasted pick.
And yet some want to continue the mistake if we somehow get the top pick and take another QB. Putting him behind an incomplete OL, with no running game, mediocre WRs and a poor defense and expect he will somehow produce a winning team. Not gonna happen. Fix the OL, fix the defense, then start talking to me about what WRs and RBs to add. IF they feel this QB, Lawrence, is all the hype he is receiving, the next great hope, then they should take him. It doesnt happen very often. This kid is special at the most important position on the team. Of course, it comes down to if they believe the hype or not. QB is the only position that trumps OL IMO. They signed Zeitler, drafted 3 OLmen last year, and Hernandez the year before in the 2nd. I understand the value you could receive for the pick, but if they think TL is the real deal, you just cant pass it up, especially if DJ is struggling and we have the #1 pick. Damn it, sidetracked. Back to Barkley. He could be a great RB for a team with a solid OL, but thats not us. LEts see how he bounces back here.
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Post by jmike on Oct 2, 2020 9:29:42 GMT -5
And yet some want to continue the mistake if we somehow get the top pick and take another QB. Putting him behind an incomplete OL, with no running game, mediocre WRs and a poor defense and expect he will somehow produce a winning team. Not gonna happen. Fix the OL, fix the defense, then start talking to me about what WRs and RBs to add. IF they feel this QB, Lawrence, is all the hype he is receiving, the next great hope, then they should take him. It doesnt happen very often. This kid is special at the most important position on the team. Of course, it comes down to if they believe the hype or not. QB is the only position that trumps OL IMO. They signed Zeitler, drafted 3 OLmen last year, and Hernandez the year before in the 2nd. I understand the value you could receive for the pick, but if they think TL is the real deal, you just cant pass it up, especially if DJ is struggling and we have the #1 pick. Damn it, sidetracked. Back to Barkley. He could be a great RB for a team with a solid OL, but thats not us. LEts see how he bounces back here. If they take Lawrence in the position they are in, they had better be right.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 9:31:09 GMT -5
We had all that draft capital and blew it on Saquan. Great talent but the positional impact was ignored by Dave. he even said it himself. he said they were following the analytics except "Saquan was special".
We yeah...if you have a good team with good players, a back like Saquan can make a big difference. If you have needs like we did (and still do) it was a wasted pick.
And yet some want to continue the mistake if we somehow get the top pick and take another QB. Putting him behind an incomplete OL, with no running game, mediocre WRs and a poor defense and expect he will somehow produce a winning team. Not gonna happen. Fix the OL, fix the defense, then start talking to me about what WRs and RBs to add. I'm interested how using the 1st pick on a QB will not allow the Giants to fix the oline also? Are you saying they need to select online with that 1st pick and it will be fixed? If this oline isn't better next year without using the 1st rounder on that group then this team has no hope!
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Post by GameTime on Oct 2, 2020 9:31:25 GMT -5
when the team picks great players like OB and SB and they cant use them to be better then there is more wrong with the team than a great WR or RB can "fix".
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Post by jmike on Oct 2, 2020 9:36:50 GMT -5
And yet some want to continue the mistake if we somehow get the top pick and take another QB. Putting him behind an incomplete OL, with no running game, mediocre WRs and a poor defense and expect he will somehow produce a winning team. Not gonna happen. Fix the OL, fix the defense, then start talking to me about what WRs and RBs to add. I'm interested how using the 1st pick on a QB will not allow the Giants to fix the oline also? Are you saying they need to select online with that 1st pick and it will be fixed? If this oline isn't better next year without using the 1st rounder on that group then this team has no hope! The Giants addressed the future QB with Jones and he looks pretty good so far. So spending another high pick on a QB that could be spent on a hole currently on the roster, which are everywhere, or traded for a bunch of picks to address many holes, will most likely turn into a mistake over time. As Lawrence will see little success with the team in its current state and will just put the team further behind in getting there. If it looks like Jones is not the QB going forward with this team by the end of the year, then that situation changes.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 2, 2020 9:36:57 GMT -5
Please don't put words in my mouth,its a horrible look I never minimized the importance of the O line But the fact is that if you don't have a reciever group that gets open quo9and can frighten a defense into compromising themselves into a deeper zone having a good O line is useless,especially when teams can overwhelm a line with numbers close to the Los and get creative with exotic run blitzes every play with little fear of getting burned I put no words in your mouth. The receiver group matters little without an sufficient OL. You could have Peyton Manning throwing to Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Steve Smith and Julio Jones as his top 4 receivers; if the OL doesn't consistently perform, they will lose more games than they win. No you did because I never said that they weren't important You were the one that said recievers are not important in a modern offense The entire offense is a machine and one bad cog and it all goes to shit And this notion a few here have that think you don't need good recievers because Brees,Brady and Rodgers never had good recievers (which is bullshit because they all have had them)is ignorant Back to our line....its a new young line that never had an offseason and preseason that had to hit the ground running very raw.. Columbo had to be working with these guys April through June hands on for them to have a shot,these guys only got hands on training in training camp and lined up next to each other for the first time 2 months ago with no preseason games to slowly build up chemistry And we added significant amounts of resources to the defense the past 3 years via the draft and this year free agency They are actually overarching at this point with what I expected Let them play and gell as a unit before wanting to spend an entire draft on defense and "**** jones,he has to succeed with a shit reciever group or he is a bust ",because the inconvenient truth to some fans is Jones is the most important player on this team and if you don't give him a good supporting cast all around him.while he is trying to develop we will be in qb hell by 2022
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 9:39:14 GMT -5
I'm interested how using the 1st pick on a QB will not allow the Giants to fix the oline also? Are you saying they need to select online with that 1st pick and it will be fixed? If this oline isn't better next year without using the 1st rounder on that group then this team has no hope! The Giants addressed the future QB with Jones and he looks pretty good so far. So spending another high pick on a QB that could be spent on a hole currently on the roster, which are everywhere, or traded for a bunch of picks to address many holes, will most likely turn into a mistake over time. As Lawrence will see little success with the team in its current state and will just put the team further behind in getting there. If it looks like Jones is not the QB going forward with this team by the end of the year, then that situation changes. I see you didn't answer the question.. If the Giants have the worse record in the league then how can Jones look like the QB of the future??
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 2, 2020 9:40:32 GMT -5
I'm interested how using the 1st pick on a QB will not allow the Giants to fix the oline also? Are you saying they need to select online with that 1st pick and it will be fixed? If this oline isn't better next year without using the 1st rounder on that group then this team has no hope! The Giants addressed the future QB with Jones and he looks pretty good so far. So spending another high pick on a QB that could be spent on a hole currently on the roster, which are everywhere, or traded for a bunch of picks to address many holes, will most likely turn into a mistake over time. As Lawrence will see little success with the team in its current state and will just put the team further behind in getting there. If it looks like Jones is not the QB going forward with this team by the end of the year, then that situation changes. I 100% get what you are saying, but this should have been done instead of taking Barkley at 2, not when you are trying to figure if a QB is the next Peyton Manning. If they feel he has that potential, you do it and you trade DJ for picks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 9:46:28 GMT -5
I put no words in your mouth. The receiver group matters little without an sufficient OL. You could have Peyton Manning throwing to Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Steve Smith and Julio Jones as his top 4 receivers; if the OL doesn't consistently perform, they will lose more games than they win. No you did because I never said that they weren't important You were the one that said recievers are not important in a modern offense The entire offense is a machine and one bad cog and it all goes to shit And this notion a few here have that think you don't need good recievers because Brees,Brady and Rodgers never had good recievers (which is bullshit because they all have had them)is ignorant Back to our line....its a new young line that never had an offseason and preseason that had to hit the ground running very raw.. Columbo had to be working with these guys April through June hands on for them to have a shot,these guys only got hands on training in training camp and lined up next to each other for the first time 2 months ago with no preseason games to slowly build up chemistry So the narrative back in the day was that Eli elevated the receivers around him but now these QBs who are better didn't do that? Who were the receivers Brady had to win those 1st two SBs or even any of them? Moss was great but they didn't win with him so can I use that to say you don't need a star like him to win as an example?? Same with Simms who almost had 2 without a #1 receiver.. I still can't think of any receiver that Brees has had except this Thomas guy and guess what no win there so far.. Rogers was the best QB I've seen placing balls in the receivers hands in stride so maybe he's the reason any players who were on his team were "stars"..
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Post by jmike on Oct 2, 2020 9:49:39 GMT -5
I put no words in your mouth. The receiver group matters little without an sufficient OL. You could have Peyton Manning throwing to Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Steve Smith and Julio Jones as his top 4 receivers; if the OL doesn't consistently perform, they will lose more games than they win. No you did because I never said that they weren't important You were the one that said recievers are not important in a modern offense The entire offense is a machine and one bad cog and it all goes to shit And this notion a few here have that think you don't need good recievers because Brees,Brady and Rodgers never had good recievers (which is bullshit because they all have had them)is ignorant Back to our line....its a new young line that never had an offseason and preseason that had to hit the ground running very raw.. Columbo had to be working with these guys April through June hands on for them to have a shot,these guys only got hands on training in training camp and lined up next to each other for the first time 2 months ago with no preseason games to slowly build up chemistry And we added significant amounts of resources to the defense the past 3 years via the draft and this year free agency They are actually overarching at this point with what I expected Let them play and gell as a unit before wanting to spend an entire draft on defense and "**** jones,he has to succeed with a shit reciever group or he is a bust ",because the inconvenient truth to some fans is Jones is the most important player on this team and if you don't give him a good supporting cast all around him.while he is trying to develop we will be in qb hell by 2022 I stopped after this: "And your line of thinking is absolutely wrong when you have a young qb still developing... Modern NFL= good dynamic playmakers outside is extremely important" And was responding to that. Since anything following something that ridiculous couldn't be worth reading. But you have complained to me in the past when I only quote what I am responding to. So I didn't. You do enjoy whining though. Oh, and I didn't read that whole mess I'm responding to either. I'm bolding what I bothered reading.
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Post by jmike on Oct 2, 2020 9:50:38 GMT -5
The Giants addressed the future QB with Jones and he looks pretty good so far. So spending another high pick on a QB that could be spent on a hole currently on the roster, which are everywhere, or traded for a bunch of picks to address many holes, will most likely turn into a mistake over time. As Lawrence will see little success with the team in its current state and will just put the team further behind in getting there. If it looks like Jones is not the QB going forward with this team by the end of the year, then that situation changes. I see you didn't answer the question.. If the Giants have the worse record in the league then how can Jones look like the QB of the future?? Well, by watching him play. You aren't serious with that question....I hope.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 9:57:34 GMT -5
I see you didn't answer the question.. If the Giants have the worse record in the league then how can Jones look like the QB of the future?? Well, by watching him play. You aren't serious with that question....I hope. Yes I feel if they are the worse team in the league you can't have any clue if Jones is your franchise QB.. I guess if it comes to that then we will have the answer to that "serious" question. So what about building this oline? After all it will still suck if they draft Lawrence right??
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 2, 2020 10:02:15 GMT -5
No you did because I never said that they weren't important You were the one that said recievers are not important in a modern offense The entire offense is a machine and one bad cog and it all goes to shit And this notion a few here have that think you don't need good recievers because Brees,Brady and Rodgers never had good recievers (which is bullshit because they all have had them)is ignorant Back to our line....its a new young line that never had an offseason and preseason that had to hit the ground running very raw.. Columbo had to be working with these guys April through June hands on for them to have a shot,these guys only got hands on training in training camp and lined up next to each other for the first time 2 months ago with no preseason games to slowly build up chemistry So the narrative back in the day was that Eli elevated the receivers around him but now these QBs who are better didn't do that? Who were the receivers Brady had to win those 1st two SBs or even any of them? Moss was great but they didn't win with him so can I use that to say you don't need a star like him to win as an example?? Same with Simms who almost had 2 without a #1 receiver.. I still can't think of any receiver that Brees has had except this Thomas guy and guess what no win there so far.. Rogers was the best QB I've seen placing balls in the receivers hands in stride so maybe he's the reason any players who were on his team were "stars".. Eli needed plax early to help the game slow down for him in his 2nd year and help him read coverages .... Eli was already an established really good qb when he developed recievers (who all were talented,highly draft picks or in Cruz's case fell through the cracks) Effort was put into building the group unlike this regime Sims=false equivilency6 that should never be used as an example for justifying not wanting a moderm passing attack because it was an entirely different era and you can play the ancient style or football many fans have a fetish to want to go back to The qbs I mentioned also are false equivalences because they are the best qbs in this generation so using them to justify not wanting a good reciever group is also a fail Fact Young qbs need weapons to help them develop Even Peyton had weapons .. Mahomes had a loaded roster to step in to help Watson same Wilson had weapons (Harvin,Baldwin,) Surrounding young qbs with all recourses (o line and recievers) makes it easier to develop...facts
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 2, 2020 10:03:45 GMT -5
No you did because I never said that they weren't important You were the one that said recievers are not important in a modern offense The entire offense is a machine and one bad cog and it all goes to shit And this notion a few here have that think you don't need good recievers because Brees,Brady and Rodgers never had good recievers (which is bullshit because they all have had them)is ignorant Back to our line....its a new young line that never had an offseason and preseason that had to hit the ground running very raw.. Columbo had to be working with these guys April through June hands on for them to have a shot,these guys only got hands on training in training camp and lined up next to each other for the first time 2 months ago with no preseason games to slowly build up chemistry And we added significant amounts of resources to the defense the past 3 years via the draft and this year free agency They are actually overarching at this point with what I expected Let them play and gell as a unit before wanting to spend an entire draft on defense and "**** jones,he has to succeed with a shit reciever group or he is a bust ",because the inconvenient truth to some fans is Jones is the most important player on this team and if you don't give him a good supporting cast all around him.while he is trying to develop we will be in qb hell by 2022 I stopped after this: "And your line of thinking is absolutely wrong when you have a young qb still developing... Modern NFL= good dynamic playmakers outside is extremely important" And was responding to that. Since anything following something that ridiculous couldn't be worth reading. But you have complained to me in the past when I only quote what I am responding to. So I didn't. You do enjoy whining though. Oh, and I didn't read that whole mess I'm responding to either. I'm bolding what I bothered reading. Then do me a favor and block me then because you too obtuse to understand my posts,and judging your responses above to other posters they probably feel the same way
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 2, 2020 10:09:22 GMT -5
The Giants addressed the future QB with Jones and he looks pretty good so far. So spending another high pick on a QB that could be spent on a hole currently on the roster, which are everywhere, or traded for a bunch of picks to address many holes, will most likely turn into a mistake over time. As Lawrence will see little success with the team in its current state and will just put the team further behind in getting there. If it looks like Jones is not the QB going forward with this team by the end of the year, then that situation changes. I see you didn't answer the question.. If the Giants have the worse record in the league then how can Jones look like the QB of the future?? Don't bother with him The only way Jones is the qb of the future with the worst record in the league (number 1 overall) is of ue somehow.gets a 4500 yard 30 TD season with this group and is the reason we are close in games but corner number 2 is the reason teams get 9 wins in the last 2 minutes against us and a few special teams losses... If we are 2-14 Jones unfortunately will be a huge reason
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Post by DandyDon on Oct 2, 2020 10:30:48 GMT -5
The Giants addressed the future QB with Jones and he looks pretty good so far. So spending another high pick on a QB that could be spent on a hole currently on the roster, which are everywhere, or traded for a bunch of picks to address many holes, will most likely turn into a mistake over time. As Lawrence will see little success with the team in its current state and will just put the team further behind in getting there. If it looks like Jones is not the QB going forward with this team by the end of the year, then that situation changes. I 100% get what you are saying, but this should have been done instead of taking Barkley at 2, not when you are trying to figure if a QB is the next Peyton Manning. If they feel he has that potential, you do it and you trade DJ for picks. If we are (and DJ is) so bad we get the first pick and draft a new QB, how do you trade DJ for picks? Who would want him?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 2, 2020 10:42:56 GMT -5
I 100% get what you are saying, but this should have been done instead of taking Barkley at 2, not when you are trying to figure if a QB is the next Peyton Manning. If they feel he has that potential, you do it and you trade DJ for picks. If we are (and DJ is) so bad we get the first pick and draft a new QB, how do you trade DJ for picks? Who would want him? Im sure we could get a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him. Some team is always interested in a QB with experience.
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Post by jmike on Oct 2, 2020 10:48:38 GMT -5
Well, by watching him play. You aren't serious with that question....I hope. Yes I feel if they are the worse team in the league you can't have any clue if Jones is your franchise QB.. I guess if it comes to that then we will have the answer to that "serious" question. So what about building this oline? After all it will still suck if they draft Lawrence right?? OK, I disagree. I think you can often tell a lot about a player even when losing. Not always, but often. This team often looks directionless and to give up on a QB you took #6 overall after just 2 seasons as a starter would be a mistake unless you are pretty confident you screwed up the pick. Taking Lawrence isn't necessarily a bad idea, particularly with how good many seem to think he is. But it will slow down the improvement of the team, not accelerate it. That might be better in the end. I can't say right now. But the notion many have put forth that doing anything but taking Lawrence is moronic; is at best premature, but mostly just ridiculous. I said before, if this team manages to earn the #1 overall pick. It is most likely Jones completely shat the bed on the season. Which may indicate he just isn't cut out for the job. If that is the case, yes, draft Lawrence.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 2, 2020 10:49:05 GMT -5
I 100% get what you are saying, but this should have been done instead of taking Barkley at 2, not when you are trying to figure if a QB is the next Peyton Manning. If they feel he has that potential, you do it and you trade DJ for picks. If we are (and DJ is) so bad we get the first pick and draft a new QB, how do you trade DJ for picks? Who would want him? New England, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, Las Vegas, Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, and New Orleans are teams that I could see trading for him. I think that we could get as high as a 2nd round pick for him. Realistically, I would expect a 3rd. Of course this is all contingent on the Giants finishing with either the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft.
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Post by jmike on Oct 2, 2020 10:49:32 GMT -5
I stopped after this: "And your line of thinking is absolutely wrong when you have a young qb still developing... Modern NFL= good dynamic playmakers outside is extremely important" And was responding to that. Since anything following something that ridiculous couldn't be worth reading. But you have complained to me in the past when I only quote what I am responding to. So I didn't. You do enjoy whining though. Oh, and I didn't read that whole mess I'm responding to either. I'm bolding what I bothered reading. Then do me a favor and block me then because you too obtuse to understand my posts,and judging your responses above to other posters they probably feel the same way I mostly do ignore you posts, as you can see I can't get very far into them before I am rolling my eyes and disregard the rest.
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