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Post by jmike on Oct 2, 2020 10:52:05 GMT -5
If we are (and DJ is) so bad we get the first pick and draft a new QB, how do you trade DJ for picks? Who would want him? New England, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, Las Vegas, Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, and New Orleans are teams that I could see trading for him. I think that we could get as high as a 2nd round pick for him. Realistically, I would expect a 3rd. Of course this is all contingent on the Giants finishing with either the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft. If he plays so bad this season that the Giants decide to move on already; you'd be lucky to get a 5th and a bag of peanuts for him.
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Post by DandyDon on Oct 2, 2020 11:03:37 GMT -5
If we are (and DJ is) so bad we get the first pick and draft a new QB, how do you trade DJ for picks? Who would want him? New England, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, Las Vegas, Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, and New Orleans are teams that I could see trading for him. I think that we could get as high as a 2nd round pick for him. Realistically, I would expect a 3rd. Of course this is all contingent on the Giants finishing with either the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft. Hes so bad we get the first pick, but all those teams will want him? Ok.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 2, 2020 11:04:01 GMT -5
New England, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, Las Vegas, Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, and New Orleans are teams that I could see trading for him. I think that we could get as high as a 2nd round pick for him. Realistically, I would expect a 3rd. Of course this is all contingent on the Giants finishing with either the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft. If he plays so bad this season that the Giants decide to move on already; you'd be lucky to get a 5th and a bag of peanuts for him. I think that Jones will be a good professional QB in due time, even if he plays bad the rest of this season. Finishing where the Giants are going to finish (2-14 at best IMO) takes a team effort. Even the Cardinals got a 2nd for Josh Rosen when it became clear that they were getting Murray. It really depends on who else was scouting him when he was at Duke. I see people in this thread sniping at Jones because they want Lawrence or Fields. I'm not going to do that. I like Jones. I just think that both of those guys will be better than Jones.
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Post by mj312 on Oct 2, 2020 11:04:32 GMT -5
I think no matter what picking saquon was the right pick at the right time and it’s actually the only thing I will defend gettleman on.. at the time we knew we needed to invest in the offensive line but the line in 2017 could block better than our current line. He was an amazing talent that nobody could pass on . Let’s all be honest , the odds of gettleman doing something better with that pick was slim to none . Even if he traded back he would have just picked more average players ..
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 2, 2020 11:06:02 GMT -5
Then do me a favor and block me then because you too obtuse to understand my posts,and judging your responses above to other posters they probably feel the same way I mostly do ignore you posts, as you can see I can't get very far into them before I am rolling my eyes and disregard the rest. Thank you for telling the entire forum that you are too stupid to interact with me Now do yourself a favor and block me Or run to the mods and complain that I was mean to you (while I was rightfully firing back at you in self defense)
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Post by SG88 on Oct 2, 2020 11:07:40 GMT -5
New England, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, Las Vegas, Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, and New Orleans are teams that I could see trading for him. I think that we could get as high as a 2nd round pick for him. Realistically, I would expect a 3rd. Of course this is all contingent on the Giants finishing with either the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft. Hes so bad we get the first pick, but all those teams will want him? Ok. Again, if the Giants finish that badly, it won't be all of his fault. He could play well and the team could still finish with the worst or 2nd worst record. This team and its roster is just so bad. It stinks. I think that Jones will be a good NFL QB. I'm just not passing up on greatness that I see in Lawrence and Fields.
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Post by jmike on Oct 2, 2020 11:08:51 GMT -5
If he plays so bad this season that the Giants decide to move on already; you'd be lucky to get a 5th and a bag of peanuts for him. I think that Jones will be a good professional QB in due time, even if he plays bad the rest of this season. Finishing where the Giants are going to finish (2-14 at best IMO) takes a team effort. Even the Cardinals got a 2nd for Josh Rosen when it became clear that they were getting Murray. It really depends on who else was scouting him when he was at Duke. I see people in this thread sniping at Jones because they want Lawrence or Fields. I'm not going to do that. I like Jones. I just think that both of those guys will be better than Jones. That's fair. But is he going to be better enough to waste the 6th overall pick from a couple of years ago? Particularly if that 6th overall is good also? IDK, maybe. The odds are not in favor of it. If they make the move though, fine by me, but they better be right. And if they are already moving away from Jones, I will assume DG has already been fired.
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Post by jmike on Oct 2, 2020 11:10:22 GMT -5
I mostly do ignore you posts, as you can see I can't get very far into them before I am rolling my eyes and disregard the rest. Thank you for telling the entire forum that you are too stupid to interact with me Now do yourself a favor and block me Or run to the mods and complain that I was mean to you (while I was rightfully firing back at you in self defense) Hey, I read the whole thing. Good job. Self defense? From whom? From what? Sensitive sort aren't ya?
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Post by SG88 on Oct 2, 2020 11:11:00 GMT -5
I think no matter what picking saquon was the right pick at the right time and it’s actually the only thing I will defend gettleman on.. at the time we knew we needed to invest in the offensive line but the line in 2017 could block better than our current line. He was an amazing talent that nobody could pass on . Let’s all be honest , the odds of gettleman doing something better with that pick was slim to none . Even if he traded back he would have just picked more average players .. I agree with this. I have no problem with them drafting Barkley at 2. He is a special talent and you don't pass up on special talent like his. I don't know why people keep reaching back for that scenario. IMO, this team would be where it is regardless because of who is running it.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 2, 2020 11:12:06 GMT -5
did someone fart in here? Nah Just a moron with mouth flatulence that can't take a clue
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Post by Jomo on Oct 2, 2020 11:27:46 GMT -5
I think no matter what picking saquon was the right pick at the right time and it’s actually the only thing I will defend gettleman on.. at the time we knew we needed to invest in the offensive line but the line in 2017 could block better than our current line. He was an amazing talent that nobody could pass on . Let’s all be honest , the odds of gettleman doing something better with that pick was slim to none . Even if he traded back he would have just picked more average players .. SB, at the time of the draft was a generational talent who could have fetched a Herschel Walker-like bushel of players/picks to rebuild one of the worst rosters in the league. ++++++++++++++++++ In 1989, at the peak of his NFL career, the Cowboys sent Herschel Walker to the Vikings for five players and six draft picks. The players were LB Jesse Solomon, DB Isiac Holt, RB Darrin Nelson, LB David Howard, and DE Alex Stewart. The picks turned into players such as Emmitt Smith, Russell Maryland, Kevin Smith, and Darren Woodson.++++++++++++++++++ Not suggesting we are going to get that type of pay back but, IMHO, selecting SB was a huge opportunity missed for roster as pathetic as ours was/remains..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 11:28:50 GMT -5
So the narrative back in the day was that Eli elevated the receivers around him but now these QBs who are better didn't do that? Who were the receivers Brady had to win those 1st two SBs or even any of them? Moss was great but they didn't win with him so can I use that to say you don't need a star like him to win as an example?? Same with Simms who almost had 2 without a #1 receiver.. I still can't think of any receiver that Brees has had except this Thomas guy and guess what no win there so far.. Rogers was the best QB I've seen placing balls in the receivers hands in stride so maybe he's the reason any players who were on his team were "stars".. Eli needed plax early to help the game slow down for him in his 2nd year and help him read coverages .... Eli was already an established really good qb when he developed recievers (who all were talented,highly draft picks or in Cruz's case fell through the cracks) Effort was put into building the group unlike this regime Sims=false equivilency6 that should never be used as an example for justifying not wanting a moderm passing attack because it was an entirely different era and you can play the ancient style or football many fans have a fetish to want to go back to The qbs I mentioned also are false equivalences because they are the best qbs in this generation so using them to justify not wanting a good reciever group is also a fail Fact Young qbs need weapons to help them develop Even Peyton had weapons .. Mahomes had a loaded roster to step in to help Watson same Wilson had weapons (Harvin,Baldwin,) Surrounding young qbs with all recourses (o line and recievers) makes it easier to develop...facts I'm not doubting it makes it easier to have elite talent for a young QB.. "facts" lol I do think you are putting Plax on a level that he shouldn't be on and to dismiss the QBs I mentioned because they are to be considered too good is just flat out wrong.. I claim that those players made those receivers a good group which I don't see why Jones shouldn't be looked to do the same. After all isn't that what a franchise QB does? I'm not happy about this group of receivers as much as any fan and I've never said I said I DON'T want a good group of receivers so I'm not sure where that came from.. This mess of an offense is because of Getty's failure to produce a respectable oline which is holding this team back the most..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 11:30:16 GMT -5
New England, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, Las Vegas, Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, and New Orleans are teams that I could see trading for him. I think that we could get as high as a 2nd round pick for him. Realistically, I would expect a 3rd. Of course this is all contingent on the Giants finishing with either the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft. If he plays so bad this season that the Giants decide to move on already; you'd be lucky to get a 5th and a bag of peanuts for him. Come on Rosen was traded for a high 2nd and Jones has shown more then that player..
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Post by jimmieray on Oct 2, 2020 11:33:29 GMT -5
I think no matter what picking saquon was the right pick at the right time and it’s actually the only thing I will defend gettleman on.. at the time we knew we needed to invest in the offensive line but the line in 2017 could block better than our current line. He was an amazing talent that nobody could pass on . Let’s all be honest , the odds of gettleman doing something better with that pick was slim to none . Even if he traded back he would have just picked more average players .. I agree with this. I have no problem with them drafting Barkley at 2. He is a special talent and you don't pass up on special talent like his. I don't know why people keep reaching back for that scenario. IMO, this team would be where it is regardless because of who is running it. I was thrilled at the time with the Barkley pick, but also see now how that choice snowball affected the early round needs and decisions in the next two drafts. It's a bit hard not to acknowledge (only to myself, those reaching back have such swelled heads as it is) that we might be in a much better personnel situation at this point, if it had been done differently.
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Post by jmike on Oct 2, 2020 11:35:05 GMT -5
I think no matter what picking saquon was the right pick at the right time and it’s actually the only thing I will defend gettleman on.. at the time we knew we needed to invest in the offensive line but the line in 2017 could block better than our current line. He was an amazing talent that nobody could pass on . Let’s all be honest , the odds of gettleman doing something better with that pick was slim to none . Even if he traded back he would have just picked more average players .. SB, at the time of the draft was a generational talent who could have fetched a Herschel Walker-like bushel of players/picks to rebuild one of the worst rosters in the league. ++++++++++++++++++ In 1989, at the peak of his NFL career, the Cowboys sent Herschel Walker to the Vikings for five players and six draft picks. The players were LB Jesse Solomon, DB Isiac Holt, RB Darrin Nelson, LB David Howard, and DE Alex Stewart. The picks turned into players such as Emmitt Smith, Russell Maryland, Kevin Smith, and Darren Woodson.++++++++++++++++++ Not suggesting we are going to get that type of pay back but, IMHO, selecting SB was a huge opportunity missed for roster as pathetic as ours was/remains.. I don't think anybody was offering much to move up to #2 in that draft. None of the QBs seemed sure thing enough for it and nobody is giving up a lot for a RB no matter how good.
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Post by jmike on Oct 2, 2020 11:37:03 GMT -5
If he plays so bad this season that the Giants decide to move on already; you'd be lucky to get a 5th and a bag of peanuts for him. Come on Rosen was traded for a high 2nd and Jones has shown more then that player.. This is true, but people saw how that worked out and I don't expect anyone would do it again. But you might be right, we might get a 2nd for him, I just doubt it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 11:38:54 GMT -5
Yes I feel if they are the worse team in the league you can't have any clue if Jones is your franchise QB.. I guess if it comes to that then we will have the answer to that "serious" question. So what about building this oline? After all it will still suck if they draft Lawrence right?? OK, I disagree. I think you can often tell a lot about a player even when losing. Not always, but often. This team often looks directionless and to give up on a QB you took #6 overall after just 2 seasons as a starter would be a mistake unless you are pretty confident you screwed up the pick. Taking Lawrence isn't necessarily a bad idea, particularly with how good many seem to think he is. But it will slow down the improvement of the team, not accelerate it. That might be better in the end. I can't say right now. But the notion many have put forth that doing anything but taking Lawrence is moronic; is at best premature, but mostly just ridiculous. I said before, if this team manages to earn the #1 overall pick. It is most likely Jones completely shat the bed on the season. Which may indicate he just isn't cut out for the job. If that is the case, yes, draft Lawrence. Wow.. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth with this and in the same response.. Congrats! Enjoy the weekend and GO GIANTS!!
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 2, 2020 11:39:36 GMT -5
Eli needed plax early to help the game slow down for him in his 2nd year and help him read coverages .... Eli was already an established really good qb when he developed recievers (who all were talented,highly draft picks or in Cruz's case fell through the cracks) Effort was put into building the group unlike this regime Sims=false equivilency6 that should never be used as an example for justifying not wanting a moderm passing attack because it was an entirely different era and you can play the ancient style or football many fans have a fetish to want to go back to The qbs I mentioned also are false equivalences because they are the best qbs in this generation so using them to justify not wanting a good reciever group is also a fail Fact Young qbs need weapons to help them develop Even Peyton had weapons .. Mahomes had a loaded roster to step in to help Watson same Wilson had weapons (Harvin,Baldwin,) Surrounding young qbs with all recourses (o line and recievers) makes it easier to develop...facts I'm not doubting it makes it easier to have elite talent for a young QB.. "facts" lol I do think you are putting Plax on a level that he shouldn't be on and to dismiss the QBs I mentioned because they are to be considered too good is just flat out wrong.. I claim that those players made those receivers a good group which I don't see why Jones shouldn't be looked to do the same. After all isn't that what a franchise QB does? I'm not happy about this group of receivers as much as any fan and I've never said I said I DON'T want a good group of receivers so I'm not sure where that came from.. This mess of an offense is because of Getty's failure to produce a respectable oline which is holding this team back the most.. Your post was a bit of a mixed message but thank you for clarification... And agreed...the failure to build a line (going back to the misses with high draft picks from 2013-2015 and FA signings)is why we had to do what we did in the draft this year,and while I actually think that playing time and Columbo having time with these guys it will get better. But the cost was not being able to upgrade the recievers which is going to reslly make it hard for Jones... My optimism is the line gells enough that Freeman/Gallman/whomever can have a functional running game and maybe Jones can squeeze 4000 yards and 25 TDs from this group,including guys like Ratley and Board being lifted to production they never had before (he has a season like this even if we are 2-14 it tells me he is the guy )
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Post by SG88 on Oct 2, 2020 11:47:43 GMT -5
did someone fart in here? Nah Just a moron with mouth flatulence that can't take a clue What is your opinion of Sewell from Oregon (or anyone else's take on him)? The Giants, even with the first or 2nd pick, could keep Jones and draft him so that the Giants could have two potentially great tackles on their oline. My mind is basically made up that I want Lawrence or Fields if we are picking in the top 2, but I am a person that always likes to hear other opinions on what we can do about this team.
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Post by jmike on Oct 2, 2020 11:53:12 GMT -5
OK, I disagree. I think you can often tell a lot about a player even when losing. Not always, but often. This team often looks directionless and to give up on a QB you took #6 overall after just 2 seasons as a starter would be a mistake unless you are pretty confident you screwed up the pick. Taking Lawrence isn't necessarily a bad idea, particularly with how good many seem to think he is. But it will slow down the improvement of the team, not accelerate it. That might be better in the end. I can't say right now. But the notion many have put forth that doing anything but taking Lawrence is moronic; is at best premature, but mostly just ridiculous. I said before, if this team manages to earn the #1 overall pick. It is most likely Jones completely shat the bed on the season. Which may indicate he just isn't cut out for the job. If that is the case, yes, draft Lawrence. Wow.. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth with this and in the same response.. Congrats! Enjoy the weekend and GO GIANTS!! No, I'm not. I just take a measured response to things. I think it is way to early to have this discussion and have said so many times, which has been my point all along. I think it is possible if the Giants get the #1 overall pick that Jones showed enough that he is still the future and it is possible that he showed enough that he is not the future. Not sure how that is hard to understand; since it is the reality of the situation we are in. Everyone here just thinks that we should or even can make that decision right now and I find that absurd. I think saying the Giants should definitely take Lawrence if they get the #1 overall pick is just as stupid as those saying they should definitely not take him. We are 3 games into a season with a new coaching staff and no preseason. Making any judgements now on what should be done after the season is at best premature.
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Post by jmike on Oct 2, 2020 11:58:42 GMT -5
did someone fart in here? Nah Just a moron with mouth flatulence that can't take a clue What is your opinion of Sewell from Oregon (or anyone else's take on him)? The Giants, even with the first or 2nd pick, could keep Jones and draft him so that the Giants could have two potentially great tackles on their oline. My mind is basically made up that I want Lawrence or Fields if we are picking in the top 2, but I am a person that always likes to hear other opinions on what we can do about this team. In an ideal world Jones, Thomas & Peart work out and the Giants can spend their 1st on a C, a defensive player or WR. But I'm an optimist. Everyone is doomsaying and I just see the Giants one game out of first. Play-offs here we come!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 11:58:45 GMT -5
Wow.. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth with this and in the same response.. Congrats! Enjoy the weekend and GO GIANTS!! No, I'm not. I just take a measured response to things. I think it is way to early to have this discussion and have said so many times, which has been my point all along. I think it is possible if the Giants get the #1 overall pick that Jones showed enough that he is still the future and it is possible that he showed enough that he is not the future. Not sure how that is hard to understand; since it is the reality of the situation we are in. Everyone here just thinks that we should or even can make that decision right now and I find that absurd. I think saying the Giants should definitely take Lawrence if they get the #1 overall pick is just as stupid as those saying they should definitely not take him. We are 3 games into a season with a new coaching staff and no preseason. Making any judgements now on what should be done after the season is at best premature. Yes you are and you continued with this response. Too funny!! If you think this discussion is beneath you because it's too early then by all means run along and find a subject that is worthy of your opinions..
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Post by jmike on Oct 2, 2020 12:02:01 GMT -5
No, I'm not. I just take a measured response to things. I think it is way to early to have this discussion and have said so many times, which has been my point all along. I think it is possible if the Giants get the #1 overall pick that Jones showed enough that he is still the future and it is possible that he showed enough that he is not the future. Not sure how that is hard to understand; since it is the reality of the situation we are in. Everyone here just thinks that we should or even can make that decision right now and I find that absurd. I think saying the Giants should definitely take Lawrence if they get the #1 overall pick is just as stupid as those saying they should definitely not take him. We are 3 games into a season with a new coaching staff and no preseason. Making any judgements now on what should be done after the season is at best premature. Yes you are and you continued with this response. Too funny!! If you think this discussion is beneath you because it's too early then by all means run along and find a subject that is worthy of your opinions.. So since I think the future could have multiple possible outcomes, I am talking out of both sides of my mouth? I really can't sometimes with you people. So tell me oh mage, what does the future hold? Since it only has one possible outcome.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 2, 2020 12:07:02 GMT -5
SB, at the time of the draft was a generational talent who could have fetched a Herschel Walker-like bushel of players/picks to rebuild one of the worst rosters in the league. ++++++++++++++++++ In 1989, at the peak of his NFL career, the Cowboys sent Herschel Walker to the Vikings for five players and six draft picks. The players were LB Jesse Solomon, DB Isiac Holt, RB Darrin Nelson, LB David Howard, and DE Alex Stewart. The picks turned into players such as Emmitt Smith, Russell Maryland, Kevin Smith, and Darren Woodson.++++++++++++++++++ Not suggesting we are going to get that type of pay back but, IMHO, selecting SB was a huge opportunity missed for roster as pathetic as ours was/remains.. I don't think anybody was offering much to move up to #2 in that draft. None of the QBs seemed sure thing enough for it and nobody is giving up a lot for a RB no matter how good. Let me start at the end, given our roster situation back then, I just don't see drafting ANY running back. That said, what do you think we could have fetched if we swapped #1s and dropped back to #8 or #9?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 12:10:12 GMT -5
Yes you are and you continued with this response. Too funny!! If you think this discussion is beneath you because it's too early then by all means run along and find a subject that is worthy of your opinions.. So since I think the future could have multiple possible outcomes, I am talking out of both sides of my mouth? I really can't sometimes with you people. So tell me oh mage, what does the future hold? Since it only has one possible outcome. Another loss this week for the NY Giants.. Bet the house on it.. I'm going to stop with you and this nonsense so there is that..
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Post by jmike on Oct 2, 2020 12:15:31 GMT -5
I don't think anybody was offering much to move up to #2 in that draft. None of the QBs seemed sure thing enough for it and nobody is giving up a lot for a RB no matter how good. Let me start at the end, given our roster situation back then, I just don't see drafting ANY running back. That said, what do you think we could have fetched if we swapped #1s and dropped back to #8 or #9? Not sure. I still don't think drafting Barkley was a bad idea without the use of hindsight. And since we don't KNOW how this will work out, a heavy use of foresight as well. Who knows, maybe Barkley loses some explosiveness but begins using his other strengths more making him a more reliable offensive piece if less of an offensive weapon. I'd say the best comparison is Barkley vs Josh Allen. Because from everything I have heard, from some mostly reliable sources, there were no trade downs worth anything coming from other teams. And Josh Allen was option 1a if Barkley wasn't there. So where would we be right now if we had drafted Allen over Barkley? I have no idea, but it may have been a better choice in the end. We would have Josh Allen on offense and Josh Allen on defense.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 2, 2020 12:26:52 GMT -5
Let me start at the end, given our roster situation back then, I just don't see drafting ANY running back. That said, what do you think we could have fetched if we swapped #1s and dropped back to #8 or #9? Not sure. I still don't think drafting Barkley was a bad idea without the use of hindsight. And since we don't KNOW how this will work out, a heavy use of foresight as well. Who knows, maybe Barkley loses some explosiveness but begins using his other strengths more making him a more reliable offensive piece if less of an offensive weapon. I'd say the best comparison is Barkley vs Josh Allen. Because from everything I have heard, from some mostly reliable sources, there were no trade downs worth anything coming from other teams. And Josh Allen was option 1a if Barkley wasn't there. So where would we be right now if we had drafted Allen over Barkley? I have no idea, but it may have been a better choice in the end. We would have Josh Allen on offense and Josh Allen on defense. I am a PSU alum and would have loved the idea of him leading us to another SB victory. I have just been down on this roster for so long and didn't think 'quan's productive window of 4-5 years matched up well with our 3-4 year rebuilding window.. Now, he might lasted longer but for me, and based the averages I would have passed. Look at how fast Devonta Freeman went from really good to really ordinary.......4 years.
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Post by jmike on Oct 2, 2020 12:32:55 GMT -5
Not sure. I still don't think drafting Barkley was a bad idea without the use of hindsight. And since we don't KNOW how this will work out, a heavy use of foresight as well. Who knows, maybe Barkley loses some explosiveness but begins using his other strengths more making him a more reliable offensive piece if less of an offensive weapon. I'd say the best comparison is Barkley vs Josh Allen. Because from everything I have heard, from some mostly reliable sources, there were no trade downs worth anything coming from other teams. And Josh Allen was option 1a if Barkley wasn't there. So where would we be right now if we had drafted Allen over Barkley? I have no idea, but it may have been a better choice in the end. We would have Josh Allen on offense and Josh Allen on defense. I am a PSU alum and would have loved the idea of him leading us to another SB victory. I have just been down on this roster for so long and didn't think 'quan's productive window of 4-5 years matched up well with our 3-4 year rebuilding window.. Now, he might lasted longer but for me, and based the averages I would have passed. Look at how fast Devonta Freeman went from really good to really ordinary.......4 years. That is always the concern with RBs. I figured Barkley was a 5 year player for the Giants the day he was drafted. My biggest concern with the pick was the QB, OL and defense would not have been rebuilt for him to still be here when the Giants start winning again. I expected him to be much better than he has been, though not all his fault he shares the running games woes. I've been banging the drum to invest in the OL since 2010, before they were in a position that they couldn't afford mistakes there. Then a bunch of mistakes followed.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 2, 2020 12:34:32 GMT -5
I am a PSU alum and would have loved the idea of him leading us to another SB victory. I have just been down on this roster for so long and didn't think 'quan's productive window of 4-5 years matched up well with our 3-4 year rebuilding window.. Now, he might lasted longer but for me, and based the averages I would have passed. Look at how fast Devonta Freeman went from really good to really ordinary.......4 years. That is always the concern with RBs. I figured Barkley was a 5 year player for the Giants the day he was drafted. My biggest concern with the pick was the QB, OL and defense would not have been rebuilt for him to still be here when the Giants start winning again. I expected him to be much better than he has been, though not all his fault he shares the running games woes. I've been banging the drum to invest in the OL since 2010, before they were in a position that they couldn't afford mistakes there. Then a bunch of mistakes followed. ......same page.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Oct 2, 2020 12:39:22 GMT -5
New England, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, Las Vegas, Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, and New Orleans are teams that I could see trading for him. I think that we could get as high as a 2nd round pick for him. Realistically, I would expect a 3rd. Of course this is all contingent on the Giants finishing with either the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft. If he plays so bad this season that the Giants decide to move on already; you'd be lucky to get a 5th and a bag of peanuts for him. Meh, I think they could get more considering MIA parted with a high 2nd round pick for Josh Rosen just a season ago. And Jones has shown more promise than Rosen had up until that point.
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