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Post by McCherry on Oct 6, 2020 15:10:42 GMT -5
That's the market. I'm OK with the Giants trading Beckham and Vernon and the blue they got back. They did fine on that trade so far. I also don't forgive them for not getting a real #1 WR to replace him. You can't replace that kind of talent with two or three journeymen, it's not moneyball, ffs. Almost apropos of that, I'm not a buyer of the Beckham vs manning thing. I think those guys are probably personally cool with each other and the idea that one must suffer so the other can be celebrated is stupid. I've said before that I believe that relationship was more mutually beneficial than is generally reported and I stand by that. That's not to say that if Beckham gets into a great offensive situation he won't surpass numbers he did with the Giants, he might. But he had a good thing going with Manning and I don't believe it was all dump it off to me and I'll mae you look good, which is the media's take. I believe there was more going on and that Beckham benefited early on from a QB that could read coverage as well as any and adapt routes together in game to exploit things they saw. I also think Manning was a QB that had an inordinately optimistic sense of his teammates' ability to make a play. He threw balls up. Look at a reel of Beckham's first seasons of just his TDs..he's either got a lock in with Manning, hits a seam and is gone or it's a ball thrown to a spot where the entire plan is: Beckham beats the defender for the ball. And he friggin does, nearly every time. I hope he does well. He's great talent and I think he's misrepresented in the media a bit. To me peer judgment is important. The next guy to say a bad thing about Beckham as a teammate will be the first guy to say that. I gotta say I really enjoyed seeing Cleveland looking pretty good (for a while) and piling up points on those crappy cowboys. Well said. Gettleman panicked and picked up Tate who is nothing but mediocre. The days of him getting RAC are far behind him. Now he catches the ball and looks to dive on the ground as fast as he can. I don’t think you can easily replace a WR with Odells talent very easily. The two rookies theater have impressed me so far are CeeDee Lamb and Brandon Aiyuk. They are first round picks though. We absolutely had to grab a tackle this year. The Giants needed a receiver, who else did you want in that free agent class? Beasley? Crowder? Dez Bryant? You need context if you're going to criticize Gettleman for that signing.
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Post by nick030567 on Oct 6, 2020 16:00:38 GMT -5
I tend to like coaches, I see I liked a post from January of this year stating, "I would have given pat another year just because of this honestly. He found our franchise QB and gets shown the door. That isn't the Giants way." I also thought Jones had a good rookie year and wanted to build on that. I liked the Garrett hire but not impressed with those results so far, hope he's able to turn it around. Ran the ball better last game at least. I think COVID during a coaching change had negative impact. The instant gratification crowd will never understand this logic .... It's as simple as 1+1=2. It's like they've never had to practice and perform anything, whether it be individual or collective.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 6, 2020 16:15:06 GMT -5
Well said. Gettleman panicked and picked up Tate who is nothing but mediocre. The days of him getting RAC are far behind him. Now he catches the ball and looks to dive on the ground as fast as he can. I don’t think you can easily replace a WR with Odells talent very easily. The two rookies theater have impressed me so far are CeeDee Lamb and Brandon Aiyuk. They are first round picks though. We absolutely had to grab a tackle this year. The Giants needed a receiver, who else did you want in that free agent class? Beasley? Crowder? Dez Bryant? You need context if you're going to criticize Gettleman for that signing. Honestly going the revisionist history route instead of trading up for Baker stay put Double dip Metcalf with Slayton..we now have instant fear factor re reestablished with our outside guys
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Post by McCherry on Oct 6, 2020 18:17:53 GMT -5
The Giants needed a receiver, who else did you want in that free agent class? Beasley? Crowder? Dez Bryant? You need context if you're going to criticize Gettleman for that signing. Honestly going the revisionist history route instead of trading up for Baker stay put Double dip Metcalf with Slayton..we now have instant fear factor re reestablished with our outside guys But we needed a CB, no denying that now. Terrible luck, but even the CB’s taken right after Baker are nothing to write home about either.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Oct 6, 2020 18:56:05 GMT -5
I like Danny Boy....
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 6, 2020 19:00:16 GMT -5
I like Danny Boy.... That’s the truth. He’s such a pompous prick. But, when playing the QB position he can go head to head with any of them all time.
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Post by jimmieray on Oct 7, 2020 6:38:43 GMT -5
The Giants needed a receiver, who else did you want in that free agent class? Beasley? Crowder? Dez Bryant? You need context if you're going to criticize Gettleman for that signing. Honestly going the revisionist history route instead of trading up for Baker stay put Double dip Metcalf with Slayton..we now have instant fear factor re reestablished with our outside guys You were very against taking Metcalf, based on his route running skills - is he doing well in the NFL so far?
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Post by TEM on Oct 7, 2020 6:58:52 GMT -5
only slayton i see runs a nice route and can get separation. engram dogs it, golden taint is a mouse. That is not waht I see . I see a poorly placed ball .It is either behind the reciever or makes the receiver slow down to catch it. The reason I know this ; The receiver never reachs out to catch the ball in stride. The ball is always inside his frame on slants and crossing routes ( slows him down) That my freind is poor ball placment . If what you are saying is true and the reciever is not getting sepration . The ball should be so far infront of reciever . It is out of reach. I am a fan of DJ. I think he is going to be a good QB. But putting lipstick on a pig is just that. See the way Eli throws the ball out in front of OBJ in stride. DJ has not done that this year. That is proper ball placement.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 7, 2020 8:13:08 GMT -5
only slayton i see runs a nice route and can get separation. engram dogs it, golden taint is a mouse. That is not waht I see . I see a poorly placed ball .It is either behind the reciever or makes the receiver slow down to catch it. The reason I know this ; The receiver never reachs out to catch the ball in stride. The ball is always inside his frame on slants and crossing routes ( slows him down) That my freind is poor ball placment . If what you are saying is true and the reciever is not getting sepration . The ball should be so far infront of reciever . It is out of reach. I am a fan of DJ. I think he is going to be a good QB. But putting lipstick on a pig is just that. See the way Eli throws the ball out in front of OBJ in stride. DJ has not done that this year. That is proper ball placement. TEM...thats just not true at all. The kid hits plenty of receivers in stride. Saw it a bunch last season and this season too. Yeah last game he was off. That doesnt mean he's been off since day one
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 8:16:52 GMT -5
That is not waht I see . I see a poorly placed ball .It is either behind the reciever or makes the receiver slow down to catch it. The reason I know this ; The receiver never reachs out to catch the ball in stride. The ball is always inside his frame on slants and crossing routes ( slows him down) That my freind is poor ball placment . If what you are saying is true and the reciever is not getting sepration . The ball should be so far infront of reciever . It is out of reach. I am a fan of DJ. I think he is going to be a good QB. But putting lipstick on a pig is just that. See the way Eli throws the ball out in front of OBJ in stride. DJ has not done that this year. That is proper ball placement. TEM...thats just not true at all. The kid hits plenty of receivers in stride. Saw it a bunch last season and this season too. Yeah last game he was off. That doesnt mean he's been off since day one Same with me I see a lot of passes in tight windows with good placement.. Here's to hoping Jones is really on this week and Garrett has a good game plan!!
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Post by GameTime on Oct 7, 2020 8:21:17 GMT -5
TEM...thats just not true at all. The kid hits plenty of receivers in stride. Saw it a bunch last season and this season too. Yeah last game he was off. That doesnt mean he's been off since day one Same with me I see a lot of passes in tight windows with good placement.. Here's to hoping Jones is really on this week and Garrett has a good game plan!! I really dig Jones and at the same time I am getting aggravated with him as well. He has dug himself a big hole and its gets harder to climb out with every turnover he gives up. For a young QB he does have a lot he has to battle other than himself. We all know the facts. With that said his individual performance has to rise above the lame receivers who can't seem to get open, poor run game( thats getting better a little bit) and an oline that is trying to gel. He has to rely on Slayton and Engram and neither one has been consistent at all. Its a tough task for Jones to succeed but I feel he will rise above it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 8:33:14 GMT -5
Same with me I see a lot of passes in tight windows with good placement.. Here's to hoping Jones is really on this week and Garrett has a good game plan!! I really dig Jones and at the same time I am getting aggravated with him as well. He has dug himself a big hole and its gets harder to climb out with every turnover he gives up. For a young QB he does have a lot he has to battle other than himself. We all know the facts. With that said his individual performance has to rise above the lame receivers who can't seem to get open, poor run game( thats getting better a little bit) and an oline that is trying to gel. He has to rely on Slayton and Engram and neither one has been consistent at all. Its a tough task for Jones to succeed but I feel he will rise above it. I'm afraid if he doesn't soon they will be picking another QB with the 1st pick next spring.. Beating the Cowboys this week will go a long way with this fan base!!
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Post by GameTime on Oct 7, 2020 8:44:08 GMT -5
I really dig Jones and at the same time I am getting aggravated with him as well. He has dug himself a big hole and its gets harder to climb out with every turnover he gives up. For a young QB he does have a lot he has to battle other than himself. We all know the facts. With that said his individual performance has to rise above the lame receivers who can't seem to get open, poor run game( thats getting better a little bit) and an oline that is trying to gel. He has to rely on Slayton and Engram and neither one has been consistent at all. Its a tough task for Jones to succeed but I feel he will rise above it. I'm afraid if he doesn't soon they will be picking another QB with the 1st pick next spring.. Beating the Cowboys this week will go a long way with this fan base!! the wins need to go a long way this team, roster and staff. The fan's feelings are irrelevant when its comes to the attitude and state of the team. Dont get me wrong I want a win big time but the team will benefit from it way more than I will. If the Giants are picking first next draft then Jones probably is not the guy. If thats the case then so be it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 8:57:30 GMT -5
I'm afraid if he doesn't soon they will be picking another QB with the 1st pick next spring.. Beating the Cowboys this week will go a long way with this fan base!! the wins need to go a long way this team, roster and staff. The fan's feelings are irrelevant when its comes to the attitude and state of the team. Dont get me wrong I want a win big time but the team will benefit from it way more than I will. If the Giants are picking first next draft then Jones probably is not the guy. If thats the case then so be it. Fair enough but the only thing that effects "us" is the fan base and it's been pretty frosty these days..
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Post by TEM on Oct 7, 2020 12:53:07 GMT -5
That is not waht I see . I see a poorly placed ball .It is either behind the reciever or makes the receiver slow down to catch it. The reason I know this ; The receiver never reachs out to catch the ball in stride. The ball is always inside his frame on slants and crossing routes ( slows him down) That my freind is poor ball placment . If what you are saying is true and the reciever is not getting sepration . The ball should be so far infront of reciever . It is out of reach. I am a fan of DJ. I think he is going to be a good QB. But putting lipstick on a pig is just that. See the way Eli throws the ball out in front of OBJ in stride. DJ has not done that this year. That is proper ball placement. TEM...thats just not true at all. The kid hits plenty of receivers in stride. Saw it a bunch last season and this season too. Yeah last game he was off. That doesnt mean he's been off since day one He has been off since the San Fran game. 2 weeks in a row
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Post by McCherry on Oct 7, 2020 12:56:42 GMT -5
TEM...thats just not true at all. The kid hits plenty of receivers in stride. Saw it a bunch last season and this season too. Yeah last game he was off. That doesnt mean he's been off since day one He has been off since the San Fran game. 2 weeks in a row He's really been off since early in camp.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Oct 7, 2020 15:04:41 GMT -5
only slayton i see runs a nice route and can get separation. engram dogs it, golden taint is a mouse. That is not waht I see . I see a poorly placed ball .It is either behind the reciever or makes the receiver slow down to catch it. The reason I know this ; The receiver never reachs out to catch the ball in stride. The ball is always inside his frame on slants and crossing routes ( slows him down) That my freind is poor ball placment . If what you are saying is true and the reciever is not getting sepration . The ball should be so far infront of reciever . It is out of reach. I am a fan of DJ. I think he is going to be a good QB. But putting lipstick on a pig is just that. See the way Eli throws the ball out in front of OBJ in stride. DJ has not done that this year. That is proper ball placement. So you never noticed rec's adjusting to Elis ducks? but with Jones you have? lmao . oh man, this was a good laugh.
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Post by TEM on Oct 10, 2020 11:58:50 GMT -5
That is not waht I see . I see a poorly placed ball .It is either behind the receiver or makes the receiver slow down to catch it. The reason I know this ; The receiver never reaches out to catch the ball in stride. The ball is always inside his frame on slants and crossing routes ( slows him down) That my friend is poor ball placment . If what you are saying is true and the receiver is not getting separation . The ball should be so far in front of receiver . It is out of reach. I am a fan of DJ. I think he is going to be a good QB. But putting lipstick on a pig is just that. See the way Eli throws the ball out in front of OBJ in stride. DJ has not done that this year. That is proper ball placement. So you never noticed rec's adjusting to Elis ducks? but with Jones you have? lmao . oh man, this was a good laugh. That is exactly why the WRs are losing separation. It because they are adjusting for the poorly placed ball ( slowing down) . I did make the explanation.
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Post by TEM on Oct 10, 2020 12:02:35 GMT -5
He has been off since the San Fran game. 2 weeks in a row He's really been off since early in camp. I'm telling ya . Judge has put him in such a conflict with pall protection verses DJ being allowed to play his game . He has lost his edge because of it. He is wussified.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 10, 2020 13:44:33 GMT -5
He's really been off since early in camp. I'm telling ya . Judge has put him in such a conflict with pall protection verses DJ being allowed to play his game . He has lost his edge because of it. He is wussified. I think more likely he's just struggling in Garrett's offense.
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Post by TEM on Oct 10, 2020 14:12:44 GMT -5
I'm telling ya . Judge has put him in such a conflict with pall protection verses DJ being allowed to play his game . He has lost his edge because of it. He is wussified. I think more likely he's just struggling in Garrett's offense. I do not see it that way . He was not throwing the ball at the receiver last year . He was leading the receiver to the ball. This year he has lost the ability to allow the receiver to go get the ball.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 10, 2020 14:17:42 GMT -5
I think more likely he's just struggling in Garrett's offense. I do not see it that way . He was not throwing the ball at the receiver last year . He was leading the receiver to the ball. This year he has lost the ability to allow the receiver to go get the ball. Because he’s struggling in a new offense. The whole offense is. Give it time, they will score points tomorrow.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 10, 2020 14:28:22 GMT -5
I do not see it that way . He was not throwing the ball at the receiver last year . He was leading the receiver to the ball. This year he has lost the ability to allow the receiver to go get the ball. Because he’s struggling in a new offense. The whole offense is. Give it time, they will score points tomorrow. Symptom of thinking and not just playing on instincts... Like the rest of the offense We saw it with Eli a bit his first few years mainly because he couldn't trust his recievers to make the right pre snap reads and run the right option routes(seemed to fix itself when Nicks,Manningham and Smith were the starters in 2009)
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Post by TEM on Oct 10, 2020 14:28:51 GMT -5
I do not see it that way . He was not throwing the ball at the receiver last year . He was leading the receiver to the ball. This year he has lost the ability to allow the receiver to go get the ball. Because he’s struggling in a new offense. The whole offense is. Give it time, they will score points tomorrow. IDK: he looks unsure of himself . I see thaty as a confidence issue . Someone on the staff is in his head about protecting. I suspect the HC is to blame . I will say it again to me it appears he is more worried about TOs that making plays. What Judge says tell me all I need to know why the QB is playing the way he is. "we have to understand that there are consequences for mistakes" The kid is scared to play the game as it should be played . Because as soon as the ball is snapped . The only thing on his mind is protecting the ball.
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Post by jb456 on Oct 10, 2020 16:31:20 GMT -5
I think more likely he's just struggling in Garrett's offense. I do not see it that way . He was not throwing the ball at the receiver last year . He was leading the receiver to the ball. This year he has lost the ability to allow the receiver to go get the ball. Watch the All 22 from the last game and tell me what QB could excel with that trash. Garetts offense should be named the 5 yard curl or death by a thousand cuts. Garett hasn't called plays in 7 years and its very apparent. DJ needs to improve certainly but this scheme is doing him no favors.
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Post by TEM on Oct 10, 2020 16:50:28 GMT -5
I do not see it that way . He was not throwing the ball at the receiver last year . He was leading the receiver to the ball. This year he has lost the ability to allow the receiver to go get the ball. Watch the All 22 from the last game and tell me what QB could excel with that trash. Garetts offense should be named the 5 yard curl or death by a thows and cuts. Garett hasn't called plays in 7 years and its very apparent. DJ needs to improve certainly but this scheme is doing him no favors. A slant is a slant . A crossing is a crossing. He is not throwing the ball and allowing the receiver to go to the ball. He is throwing at the receiver. That is causing poor ball placement. Either behind the receiver or at the receiver causing the ball catcher to slow down. Why the ball catcher is getting tackled almost immediately His throws were leading the receiver and allowing separation last season. I do not see that with any consistency this season. I believe this is because the HC is in his head causing him to second guess his game ( a conflict) Not good for a young QB.
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Post by jb456 on Oct 10, 2020 23:36:13 GMT -5
Watch the All 22 from the last game and tell me what QB could excel with that trash. Garetts offense should be named the 5 yard curl or death by a thows and cuts. Garett hasn't called plays in 7 years and its very apparent. DJ needs to improve certainly but this scheme is doing him no favors. A slant is a slant . A crossing is a crossing. He is not throwing the ball and allowing the receiver to go to the ball. He is throwing at the receiver. That is causing poor ball placement. Either behind the receiver or at the receiver causing the ball catcher to slow down. Why the ball catcher is getting tackled almost immediately His throws were leading the receiver and allowing separation last season. I do not see that with any consistency this season. I believe this is because the HC is in his head causing him to second guess his game ( a conflict) Not good for a young QB. He has looked bad thats for sure, no denying that. Just don't expect the Giants to score with this shit scheme even if he has an excellent game. This offense is playing scared and doesn't look to push the ball down field.
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