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Post by Kruunch on Oct 12, 2020 9:21:55 GMT -5
I thought most of his throws were good and accurate. The go ball to Slayton and the late one on the sideline especially. But he was very disappointing in those last 2 minutes. Go down and win the game. I don't think he needs to go immediately, but if the team is in a spot to take Lawrence, you do it and don't look back. Not sold on Fields given OSU's track record with QBs. He had a couple of pretty good throws on the move, that last drive they needed to block give him some time not have him running for his life. All the DG talk if this OL doesn't improve quick that will be his undoing because you can't evaluate the rest of the offense when it's a house on fire. His undoing is his record. He was brought in to fix what was a down and out franchise. And so far, he has continued that and made them worse. His work with the offensive line is just another reason he should be fired. When you invest so much in one position and it’s still an issue that’s all on him. Draft picks, free agency, trades. He gave them the corny “hog mollies.” Phrase that fans loved. And after a few seasons they have been just as bad as the Flowers and Hart days. Unless the Giants pull a 180 and start to win, Gettleman is sure but fired at the end of the year. And deservingly so, it’s he now that is part of the problem. It used to be Jerry Reese and his Reese’s pieces. Well, now it’s Gettleman and his hog follies. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 12, 2020 9:24:26 GMT -5
I was under the belief that most fans who want him feel he is the much better long term prospect. It's the fans that want to stick with Jones who keep making the statement that Lawrence will fail like Jones due to the bad roster. You know those same fans who keep praising Getty for the draft picks he's made. It's a pretty comical merry go round that this fan base is currently on kind of like the organization.. Most posts seem to think Lawrence is an immediate upgrade. That if they swap places right now the Giants would be winning. Which is understandable because DJ has not been helping himself or the Giants much. I just don't get the logic that replacing QB who needs a talent around him with a QB who only played with talent around him fixes the issue of the missing talent. If the Giants are picking #1 or 2 they should take him because that means DJ failed miserably but judging by these last 2 and really the Bears game also they are a few plays away from being 3-2. They are not getting killed only San Fran and it seems Judge got into them pretty good after that. so if this is any indication they are gonna win some ball games if they can get the offense going. Dallas scored 30 on offense I would like it to be less but they have hung 39 or more on every team they played but us this team is closer then it has been in years and it is young and getting younger. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 9:26:55 GMT -5
I'm on a couple of other sites and I wouldn't say most feel Lawrence would make them a contender at this time.. If you don't understand the logic of moving on from Jones to a player so highly regarded then that's on you which is fine.. More then likely the Jets are going to get him unless he pulls an Eli so all this early discussion is just for fun because we will never know.. I guess that is where my problem lies seeing how the next great QB has been in every draft the last couple of years. I am probably just skeptical that Lawrence is that guy again. I like him but he disappointed me last year in the championship. Even with all that talent he couldn't pull off the win. Joe Burrow just played better. So Joe Burrow didn't have a lot of talent like Lawrence? I didn't see it that way especially when Burrow threw for what 50 tds in his one great year.. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 12, 2020 9:36:26 GMT -5
He had a couple of pretty good throws on the move, that last drive they needed to block give him some time not have him running for his life. All the DG talk if this OL doesn't improve quick that will be his undoing because you can't evaluate the rest of the offense when it's a house on fire. His undoing is his record. He was brought in to fix what was a down and out franchise. And so far, he has continued that and made them worse. His work with the offensive line is just another reason he should be fired. When you invest so much in one position and it’s still an issue that’s all on him. Draft picks, free agency, trades. He gave them the corny “hog mollies.” Phrase that fans loved. And after a few seasons they have been just as bad as the Flowers and Hart days. Unless the Giants pull a 180 and start to win, Gettleman is sure but fired at the end of the year. And deservingly so, it’s he now that is part of the problem. It used to be Jerry Reese and his Reese’s pieces. Well, now it’s Gettleman and his hog follies. For you it's the record. For me it's progress they weren't an NFL out fit when he took the reigns our starters couldn't even be back ups on other teams and our depth belonged in an office some where or slamming nails. Thier teams went from bottom to inside top 10 our defense went from bottom to inside top 10 and our offense is next but it can't grow without his pet peeve the OL functioning as at least average. I don't care if they fire him but to say there is no progress is wrong. Think as Judge put it it's about getting better and developing as they do that the wins will come. I'm sick of losing just like everyone else and this to me is worse because few less penalty's little better protection means less turnovers they beat the Bears Rams and Cowboys. It's the OL that will determine wether Gettlemen gets another draft. If he doesn't the next GM is walking into a pretty good situation cap wise and talent wise. |
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Post by wtfjjk on Oct 12, 2020 9:40:37 GMT -5
I don’t care. If we have the opportunity to draft Lawrence, you do it. Save the growing pains and fumbles for another team. Absolutely. Lawrence is still better than Jones is today, even with all the NFL experience Jones has now. Jones was supposed to be at best a day 2 pick. Gettleman over drafted terribly and it shows on the field. Wasn't there a video of the Giants war room after they drafted Jones over Josh Allen? It was deadly quiet. This makes me feel it came down from owners to get a QB no matter what. So we reached on Daniel Jones who many people were saying he would've been there with the second of our first round picks. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Oct 12, 2020 9:40:38 GMT -5
I guess that is where my problem lies seeing how the next great QB has been in every draft the last couple of years. I am probably just skeptical that Lawrence is that guy again. I like him but he disappointed me last year in the championship. Even with all that talent he couldn't pull off the win. Joe Burrow just played better. So Joe Burrow didn't have a lot of talent like Lawrence? I didn't see it that way especially when Burrow threw for what 50 tds in his one great year.. I didn't mean to compare them I meant to show why I didn't think Lawrence was the perfect QB in my eyes anymore. You are correct about Burrow he canme in and took a talented team to the championship and won against a "generational" QB talent. Look at him in the NFL without a good oline or defense. He looks ordinary like a guy trying to figure out the NFL. Does his trajectory look better than DJ's? It basically comes down to opinion. I am not saying I am right or you are right . I am saying QBs coming out of college are a big unknown and need a good supporting cast from coaches down to players in order to succeed. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 9:49:34 GMT -5
So Joe Burrow didn't have a lot of talent like Lawrence? I didn't see it that way especially when Burrow threw for what 50 tds in his one great year.. I didn't mean to compare them I meant to show why I didn't think Lawrence was the perfect QB in my eyes anymore. You are correct about Burrow he canme in and took a talented team to the championship and won against a "generational" QB talent. Look at him in the NFL without a good oline or defense. He looks ordinary like a guy trying to figure out the NFL. Does his trajectory look better than DJ's? It basically comes down to opinion. I am not saying I am right or you are right . I am saying QBs coming out of college are a big unknown and need a good supporting cast from coaches down to players in order to succeed. Burrows was never discussed as a prospect the same way that Lawrence has so I don't understand the comparison. I haven't watch any Bengals games to give you an answer about how he looks compared to Jones but right now Jones looks as bad as all his haters are claiming. They certainly could be exaggerating but until the danny donations stop the optic for him is not good.. |
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 12, 2020 9:51:52 GMT -5
His undoing is his record. He was brought in to fix what was a down and out franchise. And so far, he has continued that and made them worse. His work with the offensive line is just another reason he should be fired. When you invest so much in one position and it’s still an issue that’s all on him. Draft picks, free agency, trades. He gave them the corny “hog mollies.” Phrase that fans loved. And after a few seasons they have been just as bad as the Flowers and Hart days. Unless the Giants pull a 180 and start to win, Gettleman is sure but fired at the end of the year. And deservingly so, it’s he now that is part of the problem. It used to be Jerry Reese and his Reese’s pieces. Well, now it’s Gettleman and his hog follies. For you it's the record. For me it's progress they weren't an NFL out fit when he took the reigns our starters couldn't even be back ups on other teams and our depth belonged in an office some where or slamming nails. Thier teams went from bottom to inside top 10 our defense went from bottom to inside top 10 and our offense is next but it can't grow without his pet peeve the OL functioning as at least average. I don't care if they fire him but to say there is no progress is wrong. Think as Judge put it it's about getting better and developing as they do that the wins will come. I'm sick of losing just like everyone else and this to me is worse because few less penalty's little better protection means less turnovers they beat the Bears Rams and Cowboys. It's the OL that will determine wether Gettlemen gets another draft. If he doesn't the next GM is walking into a pretty good situation cap wise and talent wise. I don’t know who started that, but it’s complete nonsense. Two years before he was hired the Giants won 11 games. So, say whatever you want they had an NFL roster that accomplished something this franchise hasn’t done since. Gettleman gutted the roster not once but twice. And traded players away, and made some questionable moves. The final result of all his wheeling and dealing is an 0-5 record. And you can focus on progression, you’re a fan. But, when the owners want to know what’s going on? You don’t sell him progression in a result driven business. He’s getting fired, come to the realization it’s going to happen. Mara will not give him a mulligan again this year. And there’s that word again. “Progress.” I keep reading that all season. “Yeah, we lost. But we are progressing.” We might be progressing, but they have yet to lead to victories. Which seems to be optional around here. So yeah, if a few plays here and a few breaks there we could very well be 2-3 or 3-2 right? That’s how Cowboy fans talk, looking for every excuse of why they lost and how they should have won. That never worked for them, and sure as shit won’t work for us. Yeah, I’m sure the next general manager is going to be thrilled taken on this disaster of a roster. They’re so good they haven’t won a game since 2019. Unless, moral victories count. Then we’re 4-1 and looking good. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 10:00:00 GMT -5
For you it's the record. For me it's progress they weren't an NFL out fit when he took the reigns our starters couldn't even be back ups on other teams and our depth belonged in an office some where or slamming nails. Thier teams went from bottom to inside top 10 our defense went from bottom to inside top 10 and our offense is next but it can't grow without his pet peeve the OL functioning as at least average. I don't care if they fire him but to say there is no progress is wrong. Think as Judge put it it's about getting better and developing as they do that the wins will come. I'm sick of losing just like everyone else and this to me is worse because few less penalty's little better protection means less turnovers they beat the Bears Rams and Cowboys. It's the OL that will determine wether Gettlemen gets another draft. If he doesn't the next GM is walking into a pretty good situation cap wise and talent wise. I don’t know who started that, but it’s complete nonsense. Two years before he was hired the Giants won 11 games. So, say whatever you want they had an NFL roster that accomplished something this franchise hasn’t done since. Gettleman gutted the roster not once but twice. And traded players away, and made some questionable moves. The final result of all his wheeling and dealing is an 0-5 record. And you can focus on progression, you’re a fan. But, when the owners want to know what’s going on? You don’t sell him progression in a result driven business. He’s getting fired, come to the realization it’s going to happen. Mara will not give him a mulligan again this year. And there’s that word again. “Progress.” I keep reading that all season. “Yeah, we lost. But we are progressing.” We might be progressing, but they have yet to lead to victories. Which seems to be optional around here. So yeah, if a few plays here and a few breaks there we could very well be 2-3 or 3-2 right? That’s how Cowboy fans talk, looking for every excuse of why they lost and how they should have won. That never worked for them, and sure as shit won’t work for us. Yeah, I’m sure the next general manager is going to be thrilled taken on this disaster of a roster. They’re so good they haven’t won a game since 2019. Unless, moral victories count. Then we’re 4-1 and looking good. It's looking like many of the Getty starters would even be back ups on other teams so where has this "progress" come from?? Can't wait maybe in a few more years the progress will result in a few wins.. These are the best of times for all those participation award winners! |
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 12, 2020 10:07:28 GMT -5
I don’t know who started that, but it’s complete nonsense. Two years before he was hired the Giants won 11 games. So, say whatever you want they had an NFL roster that accomplished something this franchise hasn’t done since. Gettleman gutted the roster not once but twice. And traded players away, and made some questionable moves. The final result of all his wheeling and dealing is an 0-5 record. And you can focus on progression, you’re a fan. But, when the owners want to know what’s going on? You don’t sell him progression in a result driven business. He’s getting fired, come to the realization it’s going to happen. Mara will not give him a mulligan again this year. And there’s that word again. “Progress.” I keep reading that all season. “Yeah, we lost. But we are progressing.” We might be progressing, but they have yet to lead to victories. Which seems to be optional around here. So yeah, if a few plays here and a few breaks there we could very well be 2-3 or 3-2 right? That’s how Cowboy fans talk, looking for every excuse of why they lost and how they should have won. That never worked for them, and sure as shit won’t work for us. Yeah, I’m sure the next general manager is going to be thrilled taken on this disaster of a roster. They’re so good they haven’t won a game since 2019. Unless, moral victories count. Then we’re 4-1 and looking good. It's looking like many of the Getty starters would even be back ups on other teams so where has this "progress" come from?? Can't wait maybe in a few more years the progress will result in a few wins.. These are the best of times for all those participation award winners! Thank God the men who make the decisions on the fate of our general manager don’t hold moral victories above wins. You own a business, you hire people to run your day to operations. After 3 years production is still low, you’re getting killed by the competition, and you have turned over your staff twice. What would you do? I’ll tell you what you would do. You would fire the men who you hired to right the ship. Being patient is easy when it doesn’t involve your money and business. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 12, 2020 10:12:48 GMT -5
For you it's the record. For me it's progress they weren't an NFL out fit when he took the reigns our starters couldn't even be back ups on other teams and our depth belonged in an office some where or slamming nails. Thier teams went from bottom to inside top 10 our defense went from bottom to inside top 10 and our offense is next but it can't grow without his pet peeve the OL functioning as at least average. I don't care if they fire him but to say there is no progress is wrong. Think as Judge put it it's about getting better and developing as they do that the wins will come. I'm sick of losing just like everyone else and this to me is worse because few less penalty's little better protection means less turnovers they beat the Bears Rams and Cowboys. It's the OL that will determine wether Gettlemen gets another draft. If he doesn't the next GM is walking into a pretty good situation cap wise and talent wise. I don’t know who started that, but it’s complete nonsense. Two years before he was hired the Giants won 11 games. So, say whatever you want they had an NFL roster that accomplished something this franchise hasn’t done since. Gettleman gutted the roster not once but twice. And traded players away, and made some questionable moves. The final result of all his wheeling and dealing is an 0-5 record. And you can focus on progression, you’re a fan. But, when the owners want to know what’s going on? You don’t sell him progression in a result driven business. He’s getting fired, come to the realization it’s going to happen. Mara will not give him a mulligan again this year. And there’s that word again. “Progress.” I keep reading that all season. “Yeah, we lost. But we are progressing.” We might be progressing, but they have yet to lead to victories. Which seems to be optional around here. So yeah, if a few plays here and a few breaks there we could very well be 2-3 or 3-2 right? That’s how Cowboy fans talk, looking for every excuse of why they lost and how they should have won. That never worked for them, and sure as shit won’t work for us. Yeah, I’m sure the next general manager is going to be thrilled taken on this disaster of a roster. They’re so good they haven’t won a game since 2019. Unless, moral victories count. Then we’re 4-1 and looking good. What are you talking about he dumped Snacks 1 year later he finally got signed to seattles practice squad OV is inactive sometimes for the Browns who exactly was any good besides maybe LC Eli OBJ they had a cup cake schedule and got Dak and Zeke in there rookies season when Dak was reading half field lol, struggled with browns when they were the browns struggled with a bad Ram team. When they got the Varsity schedule in 2017 and played a real playoff team in GB what happened they were non competitive this team was old and in salary cap hell DRC LOL that was his finally also, that was most uninspiring playoff team ever and they proved it by being the worst team in the NFL in 17 you don't like Gettlemen but acting like he took over some great team is Bull Shit straight up. this team has gotten better in each of his first 2 years and not even calling for him to stay but you can only build one thing at time the OL will be his undoing. Really Kruunch you can't believe in that 2016 proud that put this team in the cap freezer for 3 years. |
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 12, 2020 10:24:36 GMT -5
I don’t know who started that, but it’s complete nonsense. Two years before he was hired the Giants won 11 games. So, say whatever you want they had an NFL roster that accomplished something this franchise hasn’t done since. Gettleman gutted the roster not once but twice. And traded players away, and made some questionable moves. The final result of all his wheeling and dealing is an 0-5 record. And you can focus on progression, you’re a fan. But, when the owners want to know what’s going on? You don’t sell him progression in a result driven business. He’s getting fired, come to the realization it’s going to happen. Mara will not give him a mulligan again this year. And there’s that word again. “Progress.” I keep reading that all season. “Yeah, we lost. But we are progressing.” We might be progressing, but they have yet to lead to victories. Which seems to be optional around here. So yeah, if a few plays here and a few breaks there we could very well be 2-3 or 3-2 right? That’s how Cowboy fans talk, looking for every excuse of why they lost and how they should have won. That never worked for them, and sure as shit won’t work for us. Yeah, I’m sure the next general manager is going to be thrilled taken on this disaster of a roster. They’re so good they haven’t won a game since 2019. Unless, moral victories count. Then we’re 4-1 and looking good. What are you talking about he dumped Snacks 1 year later he finally got signed to seattles practice squad OV is inactive sometimes for the Browns who exactly was any good besides maybe LC Eli OBJ they had a cup cake schedule and got Dak and Zeke in there rookies season when Dak was reading half field lol, struggled with browns when they were the browns struggled with a bad Ram team. When they got the Varsity schedule in 2017 and played a real playoff team in GB what happened they were non competitive this team was old and in salary cap hell DRC LOL that was his finally also, that was most uninspiring playoff team ever and they proved it by being the worst team in the NFL in 17 you don't like Gettlemen but acting like he took over some great team is Bull Shit straight up. this team has gotten better in each of his first 2 years and not even calling for him to stay but you can only build one thing at time the OL will be his undoing. Really Kruunch you can't believe in that 2016 proud that put this team in the cap freezer for 3 years. Those same players you’re dissing, you praised the year we went 11-5. Because, if not for Snacks and Vernon we aren’t making the playoffs. Can’t blame Reese on signing the best edge rusher, defensive tackle and cornerback on the market. It worked, for one year. Just didn’t pan out. Didn’t Gettleman sign and way over paid for Solder? Basically, Gettleman did exactly what Reese did a few years back. Over pay for hole on the roster. The team fell completely off after the Packer playoff game. Eli was washed up, the offensive line was horrible, and players under performed. On top of that, bad hiring with head coaches and a team that imploded. Again, at least they made it to the dance. That’s the point, you don’t win 11 games and have nothing on the roster to show for it. We had a top 5 defense that year. On what planet is a team better when they actually have lost more every year? First year 11 losses, second year 12 losses. Now, already 5 losses. Yeah, we’re getting better. On bizzaro world. |
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Post by allnygin on Oct 12, 2020 10:30:42 GMT -5
I was under the belief that most fans who want him feel he is the much better long term prospect. It's the fans that want to stick with Jones who keep making the statement that Lawrence will fail like Jones due to the bad roster. You know those same fans who keep praising Getty for the draft picks he's made. It's a pretty comical merry go round that this fan base is currently on kind of like the organization.. Most posts seem to think Lawrence is an immediate upgrade. That if they swap places right now the Giants would be winning. Which is understandable because DJ has not been helping himself or the Giants much. I just don't get the logic that replacing QB who needs a talent around him with a QB who only played with talent around him fixes the issue of the missing talent. That is a short sighted view and not the case. Most people who are in favor of that is becuase Lawrence has way more upside than Jones. It's hard to pass on one of the biggest QB recruits ever. That being said - who knows how he actually turns out. If the draft class was Wentz and Goff again, cry's to replace Jones would not be so loud. Its simply that a great prospect is coming out and its seldom that that happens. Sure, you get some good QB classes, but not many are compared to Peyton, Luck, etc. I would much rather go another direction, but if you're there at 1 and there's a new GM I'm going to be honest.. chances are Lawrence is the guy. I don't think we'll be in position to get him. Also, if Jones and the giants see better results by the end of the year it may convince whoevelr is in charge to give him another year. I also think Judge is a no nonsense guy, who's to say he wont give up on Jones if he's still turning the ball over every game at the end of the season? The turnovers are no joke at this point and they haven't gotten any better. Its a legitimate issue. |
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Post by devilsadvocate on Oct 12, 2020 10:31:51 GMT -5
I get the point about not rushing to judgement on Jones behind this bad line but the equalizer this week was the Cowboy defense which is really, really bad. This was a perfect opportunity for Jones to show that when the playing field is more level he can be "the man". He wasn't "the man". He was average against bad defense which speaks volumes. One game does not make or break a career but maybe the best thing for the franchise is to hit the reset button if they have the opportunity to get a sure thing vs hopes and prayers.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 12, 2020 10:39:12 GMT -5
What are you talking about he dumped Snacks 1 year later he finally got signed to seattles practice squad OV is inactive sometimes for the Browns who exactly was any good besides maybe LC Eli OBJ they had a cup cake schedule and got Dak and Zeke in there rookies season when Dak was reading half field lol, struggled with browns when they were the browns struggled with a bad Ram team. When they got the Varsity schedule in 2017 and played a real playoff team in GB what happened they were non competitive this team was old and in salary cap hell DRC LOL that was his finally also, that was most uninspiring playoff team ever and they proved it by being the worst team in the NFL in 17 you don't like Gettlemen but acting like he took over some great team is Bull Shit straight up. this team has gotten better in each of his first 2 years and not even calling for him to stay but you can only build one thing at time the OL will be his undoing. Really Kruunch you can't believe in that 2016 proud that put this team in the cap freezer for 3 years. Those same players you’re dissing, you praised the year we went 11-5. Because, if not for Snacks and Vernon we aren’t making the playoffs. Can’t blame Reese on signing the best edge rusher, defensive tackle and cornerback on the market. It worked, for one year. Just didn’t pan out. Didn’t Gettleman sign and way over paid for Solder? Basically, Gettleman did exactly what Reese did a few years back. Over pay for hole on the roster. The team fell completely off after the Packer playoff game. Eli was washed up, the offensive line was horrible, and players under performed. On top of that, bad hiring with head coaches and a team that imploded. Again, at least they made it to the dance. That’s the point, you don’t win 11 games and have nothing on the roster to show for it. We had a top 5 defense that year. On what planet is a team better when they actually have lost more every year? First year 11 losses, second year 12 losses. Now, already 5 losses. Yeah, we’re getting better. On bizzaro world. The only signing I liked out of all of them was Snacks, as Far as better when was the last time the Giants were top 10 in anything or even 15 unfortunately you only get to play the worst teams in football for almost a full schedule once every 100 years. We had a top 5 defense against some of the worst offenses in football I agree to a degree but never liked that team. The offense was not good the defense was stout against inferior comp. that season was an outlier. The proof is in the pudding they sucked from the second half of 2012 to 2015 got TC fired they spent a couple hundred mill in free agency and got to the playoffs 2017 they were the absolute worst team in football and that is the team Gettlemen got not only bad on the field in the locker room to. Snacks actually put something up on twitter it was a mistake for him to move on sounds like he wanted out said he had no issue with ownership or Mr Gettlemen the people had he a problem with are gone now, sounds like he was not loving Shurmur. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 12, 2020 10:53:55 GMT -5
Most posts seem to think Lawrence is an immediate upgrade. That if they swap places right now the Giants would be winning. Which is understandable because DJ has not been helping himself or the Giants much. I just don't get the logic that replacing QB who needs a talent around him with a QB who only played with talent around him fixes the issue of the missing talent. That is a short sighted view and not the case. Most people who are in favor of that is becuase Lawrence has way more upside than Jones. It's hard to pass on one of the biggest QB recruits ever. That being said - who knows how he actually turns out. If the draft class was Wentz and Goff again, cry's to replace Jones would not be so loud. Its simply that a great prospect is coming out and its seldom that that happens. Sure, you get some good QB classes, but not many are compared to Peyton, Luck, etc. I would much rather go another direction, but if you're there at 1 and there's a new GM I'm going to be honest.. chances are Lawrence is the guy. I don't think we'll be in position to get him. Also, if Jones and the giants see better results by the end of the year it may convince whoevelr is in charge to give him another year. I also think Judge is a no nonsense guy, who's to say he wont give up on Jones if he's still turning the ball over every game at the end of the season? The turnovers are no joke at this point and they haven't gotten any better. Its a legitimate issue. The turn overs are the difference in 3-2 instead we are 0-5 but all turn overs aren't on him the one yesterday I have to put on AT Lawrence unabated to the QB is never gonna end good any DE unabated to the QB is unacceptable. That said he dropped back 35 time got pressured an unbelievable 19 times and he kept the team within striking distance. I also take into account Dallas's defense is pathetic. |
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Post by allnygin on Oct 12, 2020 10:58:55 GMT -5
That is a short sighted view and not the case. Most people who are in favor of that is becuase Lawrence has way more upside than Jones. It's hard to pass on one of the biggest QB recruits ever. That being said - who knows how he actually turns out. If the draft class was Wentz and Goff again, cry's to replace Jones would not be so loud. Its simply that a great prospect is coming out and its seldom that that happens. Sure, you get some good QB classes, but not many are compared to Peyton, Luck, etc. I would much rather go another direction, but if you're there at 1 and there's a new GM I'm going to be honest.. chances are Lawrence is the guy. I don't think we'll be in position to get him. Also, if Jones and the giants see better results by the end of the year it may convince whoevelr is in charge to give him another year. I also think Judge is a no nonsense guy, who's to say he wont give up on Jones if he's still turning the ball over every game at the end of the season? The turnovers are no joke at this point and they haven't gotten any better. Its a legitimate issue. The turn overs are the difference in 3-2 instead we are 0-5 but all turn overs aren't on him the one yesterday I have to put on AT Lawrence unabated to the QB is never gonna end good any DE unabated to the QB is unacceptable. That said he dropped back 35 time got pressured an unbelievable 19 times and he kept the team within striking distance. I also take into account Dallas's defense is pathetic. I don't really fault him for yesterdays fumble either, that being said it goes back to another issue of his.. pocket presence. Sure it was on his blind side, but end of the day.. when you cough up the ball and turn it over as much.. most fans aren't going to give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm looking at this objectively, Jones has nice aspects of his game, he's also go the worst aspects a QB can have and that is a propensity to turn the ball over, or eat a sack bc he's not getting rid of the ball or escaping the pocket when he needs to. I don't care how well you can throw a deep pass, I don't care how accurate you are most of the time - youj're not winning NFL football games with a QB who turns the ball over as much as Daniel Jones it's just not going to happen. So, if he's still turning the ball over at the end of the year... how can you not be concerned? |
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 12, 2020 10:59:29 GMT -5
Most posts seem to think Lawrence is an immediate upgrade. That if they swap places right now the Giants would be winning. Which is understandable because DJ has not been helping himself or the Giants much. I just don't get the logic that replacing QB who needs a talent around him with a QB who only played with talent around him fixes the issue of the missing talent. That is a short sighted view and not the case. Most people who are in favor of that is becuase Lawrence has way more upside than Jones. It's hard to pass on one of the biggest QB recruits ever. That being said - who knows how he actually turns out. If the draft class was Wentz and Goff again, cry's to replace Jones would not be so loud. Its simply that a great prospect is coming out and its seldom that that happens. Sure, you get some good QB classes, but not many are compared to Peyton, Luck, etc. I would much rather go another direction, but if you're there at 1 and there's a new GM I'm going to be honest.. chances are Lawrence is the guy. I don't think we'll be in position to get him. Also, if Jones and the giants see better results by the end of the year it may convince whoevelr is in charge to give him another year. I also think Judge is a no nonsense guy, who's to say he wont give up on Jones if he's still turning the ball over every game at the end of the season? The turnovers are no joke at this point and they haven't gotten any better. Its a legitimate issue. That’s all well and good. I just don’t see it. Judge might be a “no nonsense coach” but at the end of the day he answers to Mara. And as we all know, the selection of Daniel Jones was a collaborative effort. Meaning, Mara was part of the selection. Jones would have to fall flat on his face, and be 0 and forever for the Giants to finally say Jones is not the guy. Now, if we go 0-16 all bets are off. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 12, 2020 11:11:41 GMT -5
The turn overs are the difference in 3-2 instead we are 0-5 but all turn overs aren't on him the one yesterday I have to put on AT Lawrence unabated to the QB is never gonna end good any DE unabated to the QB is unacceptable. That said he dropped back 35 time got pressured an unbelievable 19 times and he kept the team within striking distance. I also take into account Dallas's defense is pathetic. I don't really fault him for yesterdays fumble either, that being said it goes back to another issue of his.. pocket presence. Sure it was on his blind side, but end of the day.. when you cough up the ball and turn it over as much.. most fans aren't going to give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm looking at this objectively, Jones has nice aspects of his game, he's also go the worst aspects a QB can have and that is a propensity to turn the ball over, or eat a sack bc he's not getting rid of the ball or escaping the pocket when he needs to. I don't care how well you can throw a deep pass, I don't care how accurate you are most of the time - youj're not winning NFL football games with a QB who turns the ball over as much as Daniel Jones it's just not going to happen. So, if he's still turning the ball over at the end of the year... how can you not be concerned? This is what I have been saying all along if they are picking in the top 3 most likely he failed miserably the OL didn't improve at all and that will answer question on Jones and Gettlemen for that matter. they are gonna look at everything when they fired Shurmur Mara said he thought the team lost to many games they should won right now we are on game three of that scenario Bears Rams Cowboys I'm sure they talked about this doing restart with your young QB. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 12, 2020 11:13:35 GMT -5
That is a short sighted view and not the case. Most people who are in favor of that is becuase Lawrence has way more upside than Jones. It's hard to pass on one of the biggest QB recruits ever. That being said - who knows how he actually turns out. If the draft class was Wentz and Goff again, cry's to replace Jones would not be so loud. Its simply that a great prospect is coming out and its seldom that that happens. Sure, you get some good QB classes, but not many are compared to Peyton, Luck, etc. I would much rather go another direction, but if you're there at 1 and there's a new GM I'm going to be honest.. chances are Lawrence is the guy. I don't think we'll be in position to get him. Also, if Jones and the giants see better results by the end of the year it may convince whoevelr is in charge to give him another year. I also think Judge is a no nonsense guy, who's to say he wont give up on Jones if he's still turning the ball over every game at the end of the season? The turnovers are no joke at this point and they haven't gotten any better. Its a legitimate issue. That’s all well and good. I just don’t see it. Judge might be a “no nonsense coach” but at the end of the day he answers to Mara. And as we all know, the selection of Daniel Jones was a collaborative effort. Meaning, Mara was part of the selection. Jones would have to fall flat on his face, and be 0 and forever for the Giants to finally say Jones is not the guy. Now, if we go 0-16 all bets are off. If they go 0-16 I think Mara will have fire Tisch and Tisch will have fire Mara after they fire everyone else. |
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