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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 17, 2020 12:20:42 GMT -5
12 games without SQB in the line up 8 TDs 13 INTs
10 games with SQB in the lineup 23 TDs 8 INTs
SQB demands the attention of the opponent in the run and pass game his value is beyond what many think.
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Post by giants8493 on Dec 17, 2020 12:27:03 GMT -5
12 games without SQB in the line up 8 TDs 13 INTs 10 games with SQB in the lineup 23 TDs 8 INTs SQB demands the attention of the opponent in the run and pass game his value is beyond what many think. Of course he does. Barkley's mere presence dictates the entire focus of opposing defenses. |
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 17, 2020 12:33:48 GMT -5
Funny because there are the nut-jobs on the board that want to trade him for next to nothing and figure ANYONE can pick up the slack
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Post by GameTime on Dec 17, 2020 12:40:02 GMT -5
ALL QBs need weapons
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 17, 2020 12:42:45 GMT -5
Funny because there are the nut-jobs on the board that want to trade him for next to nothing and figure ANYONE can pick up the slack LOL he is more then just a running back most of the best talent evaluators will tell you that. That said a lot of the Barkely stuff is if he fails the GM fails. Anyone can get hurt look at OBJ this is his second major injury with several others in between RB LB WR you name it they all get hurt some worse then others. I doesn't go by position. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 17, 2020 12:44:00 GMT -5
Exactly and when they lose a threat to take it to the house in the run game or the pass on any given play it hurts the whole offense. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 17, 2020 12:47:22 GMT -5
Funny because there are the nut-jobs on the board that want to trade him for next to nothing and figure ANYONE can pick up the slack And go back to bullshit prehistoric goober ball with slower plodding backs,no weapons and a game manager qb because it worked for litterally for only 2 drives on the 3rd quarter vs Seattle |
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Post by jaymas on Dec 17, 2020 12:55:28 GMT -5
Yeah, he has a significant impact on the offense. His first two years, didn't necessarily produce a lot of wins, and this year we didn't really get a chance to see what effect he was going to have. Guy had 4 carries at a 7. something yds per carry going in the bears game when he tore his acl. Call me crazy, but I think this was the year that his effect on the offense was going to cascade a little further especially considering I think we're a much better coached team from the HC spot.
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 17, 2020 12:58:43 GMT -5
Funny because there are the nut-jobs on the board that want to trade him for next to nothing and figure ANYONE can pick up the slack And go back to bullshit prehistoric goober ball with slower plodding backs,no weapons and a game manager qb because it worked for litterally for only 2 drives on the 3rd quarter vs Seattle They want a slow plodding straight line runner who cant catch and is physically unable to gain more than 5yds. They also want a QB who REFUSES to throw the ball, let alone one who is mobile, that is HERESY . And WR's forget em, they're just overpaid diva's, we dont need them. We need in-line TE blockers who slug down the field and can only run straight line routes IT WORKED IN 1847, IT IS PROVEN, IT WILL WORK IN 2020 |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 17, 2020 13:00:33 GMT -5
Exactly and when they lose a threat to take it to the house in the run game or the pass on any given play it hurts the whole offense. Correct, when we drafted Barkley we were suppose to have Barkley and OBJ in the same offense. The dream that never came to be.
But I do think that stat about Jones with Barkley in and out of the lineup is very telling. Now next year we need some type of WR threat and that stat becomes more dangerous. Plus it helps Barkley by keeping the defense somewhat honest.
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Post by GameTime on Dec 17, 2020 13:06:16 GMT -5
And go back to bullshit prehistoric goober ball with slower plodding backs,no weapons and a game manager qb because it worked for litterally for only 2 drives on the 3rd quarter vs Seattle They want a slow plodding straight line runner who cant catch and is physically unable to gain more than 5yds. They also want a QB who REFUSES to throw the ball, let alone one who is mobile, that is HERESY . And WR's forget em, they're just overpaid diva's, we dont need them. We need in-line TE blockers who slug down the field and can only run straight line routes IT WORKED IN 1847, IT IS PROVEN, IT WILL WORK IN 2020 you guys both need to chill... there are like 3 people who maybe want that kind of offense....maybe. We all get the modern offense issue. |
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Dec 17, 2020 13:16:26 GMT -5
If you subtract the 4 games where SB was gimpy last year it’s probably even more stark.
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 17, 2020 13:18:40 GMT -5
They want a slow plodding straight line runner who cant catch and is physically unable to gain more than 5yds. They also want a QB who REFUSES to throw the ball, let alone one who is mobile, that is HERESY . And WR's forget em, they're just overpaid diva's, we dont need them. We need in-line TE blockers who slug down the field and can only run straight line routes IT WORKED IN 1847, IT IS PROVEN, IT WILL WORK IN 2020 you guys both need to chill... there are like 3 people who maybe want that kind of offense....maybe. We all get the modern offense issue. You give these boards too much credit, LOL. One would THINK that everyone here would get the modern offense issue, yet here we are |
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Post by GameTime on Dec 17, 2020 13:29:35 GMT -5
you guys both need to chill... there are like 3 people who maybe want that kind of offense....maybe. We all get the modern offense issue. You give these boards too much credit, LOL. One would THINK that everyone here would get the modern offense issue, yet here we are not every one HAS to agree with the modern offense. However 99% do. Its a tired argument TBH |
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Post by allnygin on Dec 17, 2020 13:33:42 GMT -5
Next year hopefully he has another year under same system or similar, no covid, Saquan back, and a weapon on the outside. If he doesn't get us to the playoffs with that.. he and Gettlemen can both find the door.
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Post by Jomo on Dec 17, 2020 13:36:56 GMT -5
12 games without SQB in the line up 8 TDs 13 INTs 10 games with SQB in the lineup 23 TDs 8 INTs SQB demands the attention of the opponent in the run and pass game his value is beyond what many think. Isn't it kind of a meaningless start for DJ? Anyone who turns the ball over that much is not long for this league. |
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 17, 2020 13:40:23 GMT -5
So Barkley helps the passing game? Odd.
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 17, 2020 13:43:44 GMT -5
12 games without SQB in the line up 8 TDs 13 INTs 10 games with SQB in the lineup 23 TDs 8 INTs SQB demands the attention of the opponent in the run and pass game his value is beyond what many think. Isn't it kind of a meaningless start for DJ? Anyone who turns the ball over that much is not long for this league. I would take 37 TDs and 13 INTs on the season. |
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Post by Jomo on Dec 17, 2020 13:45:50 GMT -5
Isn't it kind of a meaningless start for DJ? Anyone who turns the ball over that much is not long for this league. I would take 37 TDs and 13 INTs on the season. That would be nice! |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 17, 2020 14:08:40 GMT -5
12 games without SQB in the line up 8 TDs 13 INTs 10 games with SQB in the lineup 23 TDs 8 INTs SQB demands the attention of the opponent in the run and pass game his value is beyond what many think. Isn't it kind of a meaningless start for DJ? Anyone who turns the ball over that much is not long for this league. The 23-8 you can deal with as a rookie 8-13 is a problem. That said he is at a disadvantage with his outside weapons also he keeps turning it over like that next year will be his last here, unless he becomes the back up. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 14:10:36 GMT -5
its getting harder and harder to imagine both of them healthy and performing at a high level together onfield.
if next year is another trainwreck, meh....
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 17, 2020 14:10:54 GMT -5
Exactly and when they lose a threat to take it to the house in the run game or the pass on any given play it hurts the whole offense. Correct, when we drafted Barkley we were suppose to have Barkley and OBJ in the same offense. The dream that never came to be.
But I do think that stat about Jones with Barkley in and out of the lineup is very telling. Now next year we need some type of WR threat and that stat becomes more dangerous. Plus it helps Barkley by keeping the defense somewhat honest.
I really think they have to double dip at WR wether it is a free agent like Gallup and a draft pick or 2 draft picks. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 17, 2020 14:18:43 GMT -5
Yeah, he has a significant impact on the offense. His first two years, didn't necessarily produce a lot of wins, and this year we didn't really get a chance to see what effect he was going to have. Guy had 4 carries at a 7. something yds per carry going in the bears game when he tore his acl. Call me crazy, but I think this was the year that his effect on the offense was going to cascade a little further especially considering I think we're a much better coached team from the HC spot. You can even see the difference from game 1 DJ 279 and 2 TDs did throw picks tho. SQB with this OL once it got going would have piled up numbers for sure. Think they need to learn to give wether it is Galmen or who ever a solid block of 10 to 14 carries and SQB can get 15 or so and try to get him some touches in the passing game. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 17, 2020 14:23:09 GMT -5
you guys both need to chill... there are like 3 people who maybe want that kind of offense....maybe. We all get the modern offense issue. You give these boards too much credit, LOL. One would THINK that everyone here would get the modern offense issue, yet here we are I'd say 80% of the elderly that want to go back to that reside at BBV...where ,surprise,Ed tbe guy that runs that side is a big proponents of this... A few are over with the other riff raff that was tossed from here on that other site The few here stay in hiding until a team plays like this in a big game or a fluke game we have no other choice BUT to play this style No matter what that element does exist,and sadly as a whole our fam base has that rep along with Bears fans that are stuck in prehistoric times in how they want to win football games You can't argue with them |
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Post by jimmieray on Dec 17, 2020 14:24:50 GMT -5
They want a slow plodding straight line runner who cant catch and is physically unable to gain more than 5yds. They also want a QB who REFUSES to throw the ball, let alone one who is mobile, that is HERESY . And WR's forget em, they're just overpaid diva's, we dont need them. We need in-line TE blockers who slug down the field and can only run straight line routes IT WORKED IN 1847, IT IS PROVEN, IT WILL WORK IN 2020 you guys both need to chill... there are like 3 people who maybe want that kind of offense....maybe. We all get the modern offense issue. Numerous members here have outlined the concept of building from the trenches back, the complications of salary cap, FA, retaining players, injuries setting the acquisition of the final pieces back...
No one dislikes the talented, speedy receiver or multi tool back on their team - until they are paid and become Divas, of course...
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Post by Morehead State on Dec 17, 2020 14:29:42 GMT -5
12 games without SQB in the line up 8 TDs 13 INTs 10 games with SQB in the lineup 23 TDs 8 INTs SQB demands the attention of the opponent in the run and pass game his value is beyond what many think. Here's another interesting stat.....
Daniel Jones W/L with Saquan Barkley..........1-9 Daniel Jones W/L without Saquan Barkley.....6-8
Daniel Jones has won exactly ONE game in his career with Saquan in the backfield. That was the Washington game last year.
What does this suggest?
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Post by jimmieray on Dec 17, 2020 14:33:44 GMT -5
12 games without SQB in the line up 8 TDs 13 INTs 10 games with SQB in the lineup 23 TDs 8 INTs SQB demands the attention of the opponent in the run and pass game his value is beyond what many think. Here's another interesting stat.....
Daniel Jones W/L with Saquan Barkley..........1-9 Daniel Jones W/L without Saquan Barkley.....6-8
Daniel Jones has won exactly ONE game in his career with Saquan in the backfield. That was the Washington game last year.
What does this suggest?
Barkley was the one slapping the ball out of Jones' hands? |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 17, 2020 14:36:04 GMT -5
12 games without SQB in the line up 8 TDs 13 INTs 10 games with SQB in the lineup 23 TDs 8 INTs SQB demands the attention of the opponent in the run and pass game his value is beyond what many think. Here's another interesting stat.....
Daniel Jones W/L with Saquan Barkley..........1-9 Daniel Jones W/L without Saquan Barkley.....6-8
Daniel Jones has won exactly ONE game in his career with Saquan in the backfield. That was the Washington game last year.
What does this suggest?
Nothing because wins and losses are a team thing. When Eli and OBJ were lighting it up they were scoring points but the defense wasn't good enough this is only the second time since mid 2012 that the defense could hold a lead 2016 and 2020. Special teams also was a huge issue. If all three phases are not giving at least average play your not gonna win a lot. |
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Post by Morehead State on Dec 17, 2020 14:39:09 GMT -5
Here's another interesting stat.....
Daniel Jones W/L with Saquan Barkley..........1-9 Daniel Jones W/L without Saquan Barkley.....6-8
Daniel Jones has won exactly ONE game in his career with Saquan in the backfield. That was the Washington game last year.
What does this suggest?
Barkley was the one slapping the ball out of Jones' hands? I'm just pointing out facts here. It can be a bazaar coincidence, or maybe there is another explanation.
Could it be that having a guy like Saquan can get you out of your offense and keeps you from stretching the field? Dumping off to Saquan all the time can create pretty stats, but does it really help you win football games? Is that why teams with premier backs almost never win SB's anymore?
I truly don't know the answers to these questions but it's an interesting phenomenon either way.
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 17, 2020 14:41:34 GMT -5
12 games without SQB in the line up 8 TDs 13 INTs 10 games with SQB in the lineup 23 TDs 8 INTs SQB demands the attention of the opponent in the run and pass game his value is beyond what many think. Here's another interesting stat.....
Daniel Jones W/L with Saquan Barkley..........1-9 Daniel Jones W/L without Saquan Barkley.....6-8
Daniel Jones has won exactly ONE game in his career with Saquan in the backfield. That was the Washington game last year.
What does this suggest?
Why dont YOU tell us what you think this suggests?? |
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