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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 7, 2021 19:22:27 GMT -5
Watson, Curtis Samuel and a 1st round WR doesn’t sound too bad. I love Jones, but when a Watson type player is available you have to at least look into all possibilities. The only way this would work is edtend Watson 2 years and convert 2021 and 2022 salary into bonus Because if you don't we lose 2/3rds our D line in FA and with loss of draft picks in trade how do you replace them.. Our 1st this year will be mandatory so no WR .... Its not that easy when the team still has major holes and not enough draft assets to keep adding talent I think your pretty spot on here the best course of action is stay the course. if this team were in a different place with more draft assets yes. Right now they seem to have a solid culture going where they really seem to be playing for one another. It is probably best to keep our 2021 and 2022 drafts intacked and keep building.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 7, 2021 19:24:34 GMT -5
Make a phone call? Absolutely.. Any team that doesn’t have a franchise QB should make that inquiry. And last time I checked, we’re one of those teams. Now, I’m reading that it’s going to cost too much. Which is utterly ridiculous. Great quarterbacks are costly and well worth it. That Texans team had no business winning 4 games. Watson was a one man show, he didn’t need great players around him to succeed. You know, like OUR quarterback. Is any of this feasible? No, the Giants are a patient franchise that shies away from moves like this. Now, that our GM is retained no way would he would sign off on this move. I will say this, if the Texans are really moving on from Watson, there will be a potential franchise thats getting a great young quarterback. Players like this normally don’t hit the market. I guess we’ll keep hoping our moves come to fruition. Yup. Like DG is going to trade for a QB to replace his own pick? Not happening.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 7, 2021 19:27:18 GMT -5
Are we a qb away ? Nope Horrible idea 1. Massive amounts of prime draft capital would be needed to do this,which means he would have the same bad weapons Jones had this past year 2.all of a sudden our cap gets jacked and we don't have $$ to resign any of our D linemen ...and no premium draft picks to replace Because some people (speaking generally) think good QBs don't need a supporting cast. What makes a good QB is a good supporting cast. We are witnessing a young QB who proves this when Receivers and TEs drop game changing balls it almost stunts their growth. They would drop Watsons passes the same as the do with Jones. He's a great QB were just not in the position to strike.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 19:29:06 GMT -5
Watson, Curtis Samuel and a 1st round WR doesn’t sound too bad. I love Jones, but when a Watson type player is available you have to at least look into all possibilities. The only way this would work is edtend Watson 2 years and convert 2021 and 2022 salary into bonus Because if you don't we lose 2/3rds our D line in FA and with loss of draft picks in trade how do you replace them.. Our 1st this year will be mandatory so no WR .... Its not that easy when the team still has major holes and not enough draft assets to keep adding talent Watson pushed leverage away from Houston by publicly announcing his displeasure with the organization. The FO will try to make the best deal possible but no team is handing over their future for a player who said he wants out. Just my opinion of course.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 7, 2021 19:34:01 GMT -5
Reports are coming out that Deshaun Watson no longer wants to be in Houston. Would you guys make a phone call to see what their asking price is? How much would you be willing to give up? Absolutely not. What in the world would that cost us ? At least 2 1st rd picks plus who knows what else ? It would set us back. We would still be weak in all the positions that we are trying to shore up. Without a main path of fixing them. We need every single one of those draft choices.
Do they want to trade even up Watson for Jones ? Then pass.
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 7, 2021 20:10:16 GMT -5
If the question is, were the Giants a QB away from the playoffs this season? Then yes, anyone who doesn't think that Deshaun Watson can't win us another game is crazy. Had Deshaun Watson been our QB we would've been easily 10-6. An that's all your looking for as a GM is to give your team a chance, anything can happen once in your the playoffs. Deshaun Watson is the type of guy that can elevate those around him, not the other way around. It would be GM malpractice to not make a phone call and see what their asking price is. Problem is though I think their asking price would be astronomical, or they would just say that he isn't on the market. If you were to start a franchise right now behind Mahomes, who would you take? For me, personally QB is the most important position and Watson is 25 years old and an absolute stud. People pretend like Jones has no support here. Well, if thats the case Watson has about the same level of talent around him if not less than Jones. He completed 70% of passes, had 4823 yards, 33 TD's, a 8.9 YPA with only 10 turnovers. You cannot even compare these with what our QB had to offer in a similar setting. If he's on the market, truly, and wants to come here you do everything it takes to do soYou figure three 1st rounders and three 2nd rounders get it done?
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Post by jay051 on Jan 7, 2021 20:17:18 GMT -5
If the question is, were the Giants a QB away from the playoffs this season? Then yes, anyone who doesn't think that Deshaun Watson can't win us another game is crazy. Had Deshaun Watson been our QB we would've been easily 10-6. An that's all your looking for as a GM is to give your team a chance, anything can happen once in your the playoffs. Deshaun Watson is the type of guy that can elevate those around him, not the other way around. It would be GM malpractice to not make a phone call and see what their asking price is. Problem is though I think their asking price would be astronomical, or they would just say that he isn't on the market. If you were to start a franchise right now behind Mahomes, who would you take? For me, personally QB is the most important position and Watson is 25 years old and an absolute stud. People pretend like Jones has no support here. Well, if thats the case Watson has about the same level of talent around him if not less than Jones. He completed 70% of passes, had 4823 yards, 33 TD's, a 8.9 YPA with only 10 turnovers. You cannot even compare these with what our QB had to offer in a similar setting. If he's on the market, truly, and wants to come here you do everything it takes to do so Everything it takes to get him? I don't know about that. And besides we aren't a qb away from being contenders and I'm saying this as a huge D. Watson fan. We still need playmakers on offense.
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Post by wtfjjk on Jan 7, 2021 20:18:04 GMT -5
Make a phone call? Absolutely.. Any team that doesn’t have a franchise QB should make that inquiry. And last time I checked, we’re one of those teams. Now, I’m reading that it’s going to cost too much. Which is utterly ridiculous. Great quarterbacks are costly and well worth it. That Texans team had no business winning 4 games. Watson was a one man show, he didn’t need great players around him to succeed. You know, like OUR quarterback. Is any of this feasible? No, the Giants are a patient franchise that shies away from moves like this. Now, that our GM is retained no way would he would sign off on this move. I will say this, if the Texans are really moving on from Watson, there will be a potential franchise thats getting a great young quarterback. Players like this normally don’t hit the market. I guess we’ll keep hoping our moves come to fruition. Yup. Like DG is going to trade for a QB to replace his own pick? Not happening. Then the right thing to do is tell David we thank you for your service, best wishes on your future endeavors. But we're talking about Mara so you're right, not happening.
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 7, 2021 20:18:15 GMT -5
Watson is quitting on his team? Why wouldn't he quit on us?
...and why is the no name blogger in that article stating that Watson would make us an instant contender? Houston was worse than us this year, lol.
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Post by jay051 on Jan 7, 2021 20:19:14 GMT -5
Yup. Like DG is going to trade for a QB to replace his own pick? Not happening. Then the right thing to do is tell David we thank you for your service, best wishes on your future endeavors. But we're talking about Mara so you're right, not happening. Lol. What would you give up to get D. Watson??
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Post by SG88 on Jan 7, 2021 20:55:22 GMT -5
That is probably what that tweet was all about Apparently I was wrong and that is why he was upset. I've also never heard of a Quarterback having a say in the GM or HC.... I never did either, but when you don't do something that you say you're going to do, that is basically a lie. Once trust is lost, it is pretty damn difficult to win back. I wouldn't want to work for a boss that I don't trust either.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 7, 2021 20:56:52 GMT -5
Washington would be interested in him. If Washington or NY got him, they would be instant NFC contenders IMO.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 7, 2021 20:58:48 GMT -5
Watson is quitting on his team? Why wouldn't he quit on us? ...and why is the no name blogger in that article stating that Watson would make us an instant contender? Houston was worse than us this year, lol. By no fault of his. Their defense was an absolute abomination. I would rather get a proven commodity than keep waiting for a big question in Jones to be answered.
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Post by TEM on Jan 7, 2021 21:03:50 GMT -5
If you are a GM, we know the Salary cap this upcoming season is 175. That is negative 14 from this year. 2022 could be in play for for the same . How do you justify as a GM paying a single player 35 million dollars or One fifth of you cap space? This a problem for some teams with these big QB contracts In Pandemic football. That Chicken is coming home to roost. That is a tough nut as a GM to navigate . Yeah you can kick that can and push 30 ( 15 for each season) of that to 2023 or 24 .. At some point that balloon payment (guaranteed money) is going to hit. I do not care how good the QB or any player is . You can not pay a single player 20% of your cap space and field a productive team. That math does not work.
You throw the Dice paying a Player 35 million. You can assume the cap will increase Because you are not assuming it will go down. The pendulum can swing that way too.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 7, 2021 21:11:46 GMT -5
Washington would be interested in him. If Washington or NY got him, they would be instant NFC contenders IMO. Only issue is their O line is shaky at best and need major recourses poured in that their 19th pick would adress.. But they have more weapons than us by far (McLaurin and Logan Thomas > Shepard and Engram...and it seems Washington has some decent young receivers that were starting to step up )and that front 7 I can see them coughing up 2 1sts for him
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Post by fifthavephil on Jan 7, 2021 21:15:29 GMT -5
Washington would be interested in him. If Washington or NY got him, they would be instant NFC contenders IMO. So, what is Watson ( new ) contract worth ? Carolina, is primary player , to get Watson. Trade , Mc Caffrey , ( often injured ) big contract . Plus, this year and next year NO. 1 picks. Add Teddy Bridgewater in deal. Carolina resigns Samuel, there defense is young and talented. Automatically , Super Bowl contenders.
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Post by TEM on Jan 7, 2021 21:32:45 GMT -5
Here is a prime example of what I just posted. Here is Seattle .Their cap space looks healthy. 15 million Here is the caveat .They only have 35 players under contract . They need to roster 18 more.Or one third of their roster. . At league minimum UDFAs 500 thousand that is 9 million . That is fielding scrubs . What do they do Cut Dunlap or Wagner for downgraded players ? We need to avoid this situation . www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/cap/2021/
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 7, 2021 22:02:33 GMT -5
Watson is quitting on his team? Why wouldn't he quit on us? ...and why is the no name blogger in that article stating that Watson would make us an instant contender? Houston was worse than us this year, lol. By no fault of his. Their defense was an absolute abomination. I would rather get a proven commodity than keep waiting for a big question in Jones to be answered. Watson's 40 million dollar per year salary might be a part of the reason why their defense is so thin. Are QBs often involved in the coach and GM hiring process? I never heard of that, but maybe it's more common than I think. I'm surprised there is public criticism of the owner who pays him 40 million yearly.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 7, 2021 22:25:39 GMT -5
Watson would be an instant upgrade, but a trade? What would be the cost? Would we package Jones too? Not sure thats wise when you also have to think about money involved. Jones and Saquan for Deshaun.
Done.
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 7, 2021 22:34:40 GMT -5
Watson would be an instant upgrade, but a trade? What would be the cost? Would we package Jones too? Not sure thats wise when you also have to think about money involved. Jones and Saquan for Deshaun.
Done.
I can’t even begin to guess the starting point for that negotiation - guys great, and nobody trades great, young QB’s.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 7, 2021 22:39:06 GMT -5
Jones and Saquan for Deshaun.
Done.
I can’t even begin to guess the starting point for that negotiation - guys great, and nobody trades great, young QB’s. Of course.
It's not happening. Any new GM will want Deshaun as the cornerstone of their franchise. the guy is flat great.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 7, 2021 22:52:20 GMT -5
Watson would be an instant upgrade, but a trade? What would be the cost? Would we package Jones too? Not sure thats wise when you also have to think about money involved. Jones and Saquan for Deshaun.
Done.
Add in Engram and we got a deal.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 7, 2021 23:24:28 GMT -5
Jones and Saquan for Deshaun.
Done.
Add in Engram and we got a deal. Addition by subtraction
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 7, 2021 23:24:52 GMT -5
Watson would be an instant upgrade, but a trade? What would be the cost? Would we package Jones too? Not sure thats wise when you also have to think about money involved. Jones and Saquan for Deshaun.
Done.
Unfortunately Obrien isn't the GM anymore
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jan 8, 2021 0:01:25 GMT -5
Watson is the truth and one of my favorite players in the league. But, I really don't see how they could possibly get this done. The only way this could even remotely happen is if HOU were forced into a situation where they'd have to take an offer that isn't commensurate to Watson's value.
His contract is also a killer as well. That's a huge number. They'd also obviously have to move on from Jones.
But, the Giants should be making a phone call to at least see where the starting talking point is. When a player that good becomes available, you have to look at it.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 8, 2021 0:23:26 GMT -5
If you were to start a franchise right now behind Mahomes, who would you take? For me, personally QB is the most important position and Watson is 25 years old and an absolute stud. People pretend like Jones has no support here. Well, if thats the case Watson has about the same level of talent around him if not less than Jones. He completed 70% of passes, had 4823 yards, 33 TD's, a 8.9 YPA with only 10 turnovers. You cannot even compare these with what our QB had to offer in a similar setting. If he's on the market, truly, and wants to come here you do everything it takes to do so Everything it takes to get him? I don't know about that. And besides we aren't a qb away from being contenders and I'm saying this as a huge D. Watson fan. We still need playmakers on offense. So you wouldnt trade for a QB who doesn't need everything around him to be perfect. In fact, quite to the contrary. Watson doesnt NEED a great OL or playmakers like Jones. He puts up elite number regardless. Who wouldn't want a guy like that playing the most important position in sports? To me, its a QB driven league. Jones is average at his very best. Watson is a massive upgrade The fact that this is even a debate is comical. Only Giants fans, first Russ Wilson isn't worth it, now Watson. Can't make this up lol.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jan 8, 2021 0:32:20 GMT -5
Everything it takes to get him? I don't know about that. And besides we aren't a qb away from being contenders and I'm saying this as a huge D. Watson fan. We still need playmakers on offense. So you wouldnt trade for a QB who doesn't need everything around him to be perfect. In fact, quite to the contrary. Watson doesnt NEED a great OL or playmakers like Jones. He puts up elite number regardless. Who wouldn't want a guy like that playing the most important position in sports? To me, its a QB driven league. Jones is average at his very best. Watson is a massive upgrade The fact that this is even a debate is comical. Only Giants fans, first Russ Wilson isn't worth it, now Watson. Can't make this up lol. Just read on CBS Sports and they have New England as the top potential landing spot for Watson as they are looking for a QB, have a ton of cap space and the HOU GM is a NE front office alumni. Wouldn't that just be ridiculous that BB would get to transition from Brady to Watson?
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Post by thetruth on Jan 8, 2021 1:15:42 GMT -5
So you wouldnt trade for a QB who doesn't need everything around him to be perfect. In fact, quite to the contrary. Watson doesnt NEED a great OL or playmakers like Jones. He puts up elite number regardless. Who wouldn't want a guy like that playing the most important position in sports? To me, its a QB driven league. Jones is average at his very best. Watson is a massive upgrade The fact that this is even a debate is comical. Only Giants fans, first Russ Wilson isn't worth it, now Watson. Can't make this up lol. Just read on CBS Sports and they have New England as the top potential landing spot for Watson as they are looking for a QB, have a ton of cap space and the HOU GM is a NE front office alumni. Wouldn't that just be ridiculous that BB would get to transition from Brady to Watson? BB knows what hes doing. Wouldn't surprise me at all. Watsons production speaks for itself.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 8, 2021 2:23:36 GMT -5
I just can't see any franchise trading that guy.
They got him, how far away could they be?
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Post by southerner on Jan 8, 2021 4:07:08 GMT -5
Reports are coming out that Deshaun Watson no longer wants to be in Houston. Would you guys make a phone call to see what their asking price is? How much would you be willing to give up? Watson thinks the Texans should seek his approval of the new GM and HC for the Texans....why would any NFL team want a player who thinks he is more important than the owner and management. The Giants would never bring a headcase like that into the team. On top of that the Giants would have to give up two number one draft choices plus more......no way yhe Giants even consider this move.
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