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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 8, 2021 9:35:41 GMT -5
Let's hope he remembers that in this era we need dynamic athletic types that threaten the entire field and not big slugs (like he did in Carolina)that waddle down the field witb a limited route tree and can only make jump ball plays Gettleman has a excellent track record after he brought the computer guys in last year. I'm hoping that continues...I have to admit Gettleman doesn't sound as stubborn lately. Also coincidence 1 Judge 2.Pettit Which is why I suspect they could be grooming Pettit to be the heir apparent
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 8, 2021 9:37:18 GMT -5
Jets fans are ready to give 3 #1s for Watson. They have 2 first round picks this year including the #2. If I'm GM Caserio - I take that. Draft Justin Fields or another top prospect and still have another 2 first rounders in this year's draft + a lot of extra cap room to rebuild the defense. That legit sounds very possible And they have (Jets) cap space and a probable stud already with Mims
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Post by Providence on Jan 8, 2021 9:39:28 GMT -5
The gap between Deshuan Watson and Daniel Jones is enormous. So yes, definitely make a call to see what the asking price is. But I gotta assume the asking price will be, in precise terms, a shit ton.
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Post by wtfjjk on Jan 8, 2021 9:54:23 GMT -5
Then the right thing to do is tell David we thank you for your service, best wishes on your future endeavors. But we're talking about Mara so you're right, not happening. Lol. What would you give up to get D. Watson?? I'm assuming since the grievance was made public, they have less leverage in trade negotiations. I give them Daniel, this year's first and any other starter except Andrew Thomas. I'd even give them Dalvin. If they want later round picks, I'd give them that too.
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 8, 2021 10:04:38 GMT -5
The difference between Daniel Jones and Deshaun Watson is Jones has more wins this year on a gimpy leg.
I've been told Deshaun is a great QB, MVP contender at times...maybe QBs are overvalued.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 8, 2021 10:07:18 GMT -5
New England is a more realistic possibility. The funny thing about them is that they are one of the few teams with worse receivers than us. Lol Agree NE connection if not NE, I think Casserio is not gonna let him walk unless he gets a pick where he can choose his guy. This GM walked into a great situation he has one of best young QBs in the league. Even Lawrence is not Guaranteed to be what Watson already is.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 8, 2021 10:11:16 GMT -5
New England is a more realistic possibility. The funny thing about them is that they are one of the few teams with worse receivers than us. Lol Agree NE connection if not NE, I think Casserio is not gonna let him walk unless he gets a pick where he can choose his guy. This GM walked into a great situation he has one of best young QBs in the league. Even Lawrence is not Guaranteed to be what Watson already is. I strongly doubt Watson is getting traded. That would be a nightmare for Texans fans after watching Hopkins get traded last year. Watson is a top 5 NFL QB and there is no way he's going anywhere.
He'll be the cornerstone of the Texans rebuild.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 8, 2021 10:13:44 GMT -5
I just can't see any franchise trading that guy. They got him, how far away could they be? Please tell me this is a classic Sarcasman "callback to another thread" sarcasm. Perish the thought!
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 8, 2021 10:20:11 GMT -5
Lol. What would you give up to get D. Watson?? I'm assuming since the grievance was made public, they have less leverage in trade negotiations. I give them Daniel, this year's first and any other starter except Andrew Thomas. I'd even give them Dalvin. If they want later round picks, I'd give them that too. I don't think that Dalvin is under contract. We could keep him by franchising him or re-signing him, but otherwise he's a free agent.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jan 8, 2021 10:21:16 GMT -5
Jets fans are ready to give 3 #1s for Watson. They have 2 first round picks this year including the #2. If I'm GM Caserio - I take that. Draft Justin Fields or another top prospect and still have another 2 first rounders in this year's draft + a lot of extra cap room to rebuild the defense. Wow. Not sure if HOU could expect a better return than that. And it could make sense on the Jets side as well as I think they have a ton of cap space too.
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 8, 2021 10:28:48 GMT -5
Jets fans are ready to give 3 #1s for Watson. They have 2 first round picks this year including the #2. If I'm GM Caserio - I take that. Draft Justin Fields or another top prospect and still have another 2 first rounders in this year's draft + a lot of extra cap room to rebuild the defense. Wow. Not sure if HOU could expect a better return than that. And it could make sense on the Jets side as well as I think they have a ton of cap space too. I can't think of many scenarios that the Texan fan base would accept trading Watson. 0% chance they would accept Daniel Jones - the fan base would probably revolt. Obviously a Jones fan but you can't trade a Super Star without getting a sexy return...and those early draft picks like Fields create a lot of hype. Maybe the Texans ownership decided to ignore Watson because they decided that Watson wouldn't be part of their future. Watson has had a bad Tweeting habit criticizing the front office the new GM, etc.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jan 8, 2021 10:54:49 GMT -5
Wow. Not sure if HOU could expect a better return than that. And it could make sense on the Jets side as well as I think they have a ton of cap space too. I can't think of many scenarios that the Texan fan base would accept trading Watson. 0% chance they would accept Daniel Jones - the fan base would probably revolt. Obviously a Jones fan but you can't trade a Super Star without getting a sexy return...and those early draft picks like Fields create a lot of hype. Maybe the Texans ownership decided to ignore Watson because they decided that Watson wouldn't be part of their future. Watson has had a bad Tweeting habit criticizing the front office the new GM, etc. Yeah, there is no way HOU would swap Jones for Watson, even if the Giants added high draft picks. The narrative of replacing Watson with Jones, after the season Jones had, would really not fly with their fanbase. I just don't see the Giants being in position to make such as a trade.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 8, 2021 11:04:48 GMT -5
Jets fans are ready to give 3 #1s for Watson. They have 2 first round picks this year including the #2. If I'm GM Caserio - I take that. Draft Justin Fields or another top prospect and still have another 2 first rounders in this year's draft + a lot of extra cap room to rebuild the defense. They're Jets fans, they're stupid. Why wouldn't they just take Fields or Wilson if they were ready to move on from Darnold? But that would be stupid too without giving Darnold a fair shot. Which is seems they're actually being smart and planning on building around him. People are overrating Watson just a wee bit here.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 8, 2021 11:06:02 GMT -5
The difference between Daniel Jones and Deshaun Watson is Jones has more wins this year on a gimpy leg. I've been told Deshaun is a great QB, MVP contender at times...maybe QBs are overvalued. Yeah, no. Both have 4 wins this year. Sure as heck wasn't inability from Watson that Houston was floundering. Watson relative to Jones: - 1,880 more yards. Watson led the NFL in Yards - Watson had 2.3 more YPA than Jones. Substantial, but again, Watson led the NFL in this regard - 22 more TDs. Though, TD's were... lets say, not a strength for Jones. - 7 less turnoversWatson did this with talent that was similar to what Jones had supporting him, he lost a top 2 WR in the NFL and still put up the best numbers of his career. A first and Jones? Houston would laugh at the offer. I'd happily give this and next years first along with Jones for a top 5 QB. Now people complaining about the cost, what is more expensive, this transaction (2 firsts and Jones) or 'building' around Jones which is a complete crapshoot? What if one of the building blocks gets hurt? do we write off another season? some food for thought
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 8, 2021 11:14:31 GMT -5
The difference between Daniel Jones and Deshaun Watson is Jones has more wins this year on a gimpy leg. I've been told Deshaun is a great QB, MVP contender at times...maybe QBs are overvalued. Yeah, no. Both have 4 wins this year. Sure as heck wasn't inability from Watson that Houston was floundering. Watson relative to Jones: - 1,880 more yards. Watson led the NFL in Yards - Watson had 2.3 more YPA than Jones. Substantial, but again, Watson led the NFL in this regard - 22 more TDs. Though, TD's were... lets say, not a strength for Jones. - 7 less turnoversWatson did this with talent that was similar to what Jones had supporting him, he lost a top 2 WR in the NFL and still put up the best numbers of his career. A first and Jones? Houston would laugh at the offer. I'd happily give this and next years first along with Jones for a top 5 QB. Now people complaining about the cost, what is more expensive, this transaction (2 firsts and Jones) or 'building' around Jones which is a complete crapshoot? What if one of the building blocks gets hurt? do we write off another season? some food for thought Dimes: 5 wins 9 losses Watson: 4-12 ... I hear you though, Watson is a top 5 QB statistically. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I really don't like Watson's tweets. Tweeting about his fantasy stats...criticizing the owner and front office after getting paid 40 million yearly. Seems to have a loser mentality.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 8, 2021 11:17:52 GMT -5
Yeah, no. Both have 4 wins this year. Sure as heck wasn't inability from Watson that Houston was floundering. Watson relative to Jones: - 1,880 more yards. Watson led the NFL in Yards - Watson had 2.3 more YPA than Jones. Substantial, but again, Watson led the NFL in this regard - 22 more TDs. Though, TD's were... lets say, not a strength for Jones. - 7 less turnoversWatson did this with talent that was similar to what Jones had supporting him, he lost a top 2 WR in the NFL and still put up the best numbers of his career. A first and Jones? Houston would laugh at the offer. I'd happily give this and next years first along with Jones for a top 5 QB. Now people complaining about the cost, what is more expensive, this transaction (2 firsts and Jones) or 'building' around Jones which is a complete crapshoot? What if one of the building blocks gets hurt? do we write off another season? some food for thought Dimes: 5 wins 9 losses Watson: 4-12 ... I hear you though, Watson is a top 5 QB statistically. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I really don't like Watson's tweets. Tweeting about his fantasy stats...criticizing the owner and front office after getting paid 40 million yearly. Seems to have a loser mentality. Ah thats correct. We won 6 games. I think Houstons FO warrants the critique, they are the worst run organization in the NFL right now. Then again, I think our FO warrants it as well. Watson wants to win. He isn't getting any help whatsoever, he needs a change of scenery. As nice as it would be, he wont be coming to the Giants. Our FO would never make the move
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 8, 2021 11:17:56 GMT -5
Yeah, no. Both have 4 wins this year. Sure as heck wasn't inability from Watson that Houston was floundering. Watson relative to Jones: - 1,880 more yards. Watson led the NFL in Yards - Watson had 2.3 more YPA than Jones. Substantial, but again, Watson led the NFL in this regard - 22 more TDs. Though, TD's were... lets say, not a strength for Jones. - 7 less turnoversWatson did this with talent that was similar to what Jones had supporting him, he lost a top 2 WR in the NFL and still put up the best numbers of his career. A first and Jones? Houston would laugh at the offer. I'd happily give this and next years first along with Jones for a top 5 QB. Now people complaining about the cost, what is more expensive, this transaction (2 firsts and Jones) or 'building' around Jones which is a complete crapshoot? What if one of the building blocks gets hurt? do we write off another season? some food for thought Dimes: 5 wins 9 losses Watson: 4-12 ... I hear you though, Watson is a top 5 QB statistically. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I really don't like Watson's tweets. Tweeting about his fantasy stats...criticizing the owner and front office after getting paid 40 million yearly. Seems to have a loser mentality. He's a top 5 QB...Period.
Have you seen him play?
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 8, 2021 11:27:14 GMT -5
Yeah, no. Both have 4 wins this year. Sure as heck wasn't inability from Watson that Houston was floundering. Watson relative to Jones: - 1,880 more yards. Watson led the NFL in Yards - Watson had 2.3 more YPA than Jones. Substantial, but again, Watson led the NFL in this regard - 22 more TDs. Though, TD's were... lets say, not a strength for Jones. - 7 less turnoversWatson did this with talent that was similar to what Jones had supporting him, he lost a top 2 WR in the NFL and still put up the best numbers of his career. A first and Jones? Houston would laugh at the offer. I'd happily give this and next years first along with Jones for a top 5 QB. Now people complaining about the cost, what is more expensive, this transaction (2 firsts and Jones) or 'building' around Jones which is a complete crapshoot? What if one of the building blocks gets hurt? do we write off another season? some food for thought Dimes: 5 wins 9 losses Watson: 4-12 ... I hear you though, Watson is a top 5 QB statistically. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I really don't like Watson's tweets. Tweeting about his fantasy stats...criticizing the owner and front office after getting paid 40 million yearly. Seems to have a loser mentality. That loser mentality was sure on display for all to see in college, huh?
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 8, 2021 11:31:08 GMT -5
Jets fans are ready to give 3 #1s for Watson. They have 2 first round picks this year including the #2. If I'm GM Caserio - I take that. Draft Justin Fields or another top prospect and still have another 2 first rounders in this year's draft + a lot of extra cap room to rebuild the defense. They're Jets fans, they're stupid. Why wouldn't they just take Fields or Wilson if they were ready to move on from Darnold? But that would be stupid too without giving Darnold a fair shot. Which is seems they're actually being smart and planning on doing. People are overrating Watson just a wee bit here. You were doing so well. Saying Jet fans are stupid got my attention, good start. Moving on from Darnold, ok I can see that. Not bad, then you said the unthinkable. I had to do a double check to see who posted it, but the David Gilmour gave it away. There is no overrating on Watson. Matter of fact, I think some fans are under rating him. If a team had a one man show, the Texans would be it. Anyone who can name me the offensive weapons on that team without looking it up would be Texan fans. Because, no one outside of that fan base could do it. He’s a great player, and is young. To show you how great he is, the Texans won 4 games last year. If not for him they would have been 0-16. That team is dreadful. And if they’re stupid enough to trade a talented player like Watson, we should be that team on the other end.
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 8, 2021 11:31:10 GMT -5
Dimes: 5 wins 9 losses Watson: 4-12 ... I hear you though, Watson is a top 5 QB statistically. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I really don't like Watson's tweets. Tweeting about his fantasy stats...criticizing the owner and front office after getting paid 40 million yearly. Seems to have a loser mentality. He's a top 5 QB...Period.
Have you seen him play?
Haven't watched much of him, but I remember seeing a big-arm QB with mobility.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 8, 2021 11:45:42 GMT -5
He's a top 5 QB...Period.
Have you seen him play?
Haven't watched much of him, but I remember seeing a big-arm QB with mobility. He's a great football player.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 8, 2021 11:51:57 GMT -5
They're Jets fans, they're stupid. Why wouldn't they just take Fields or Wilson if they were ready to move on from Darnold? But that would be stupid too without giving Darnold a fair shot. Which is seems they're actually being smart and planning on doing. People are overrating Watson just a wee bit here. You were doing so well. Saying Jet fans are stupid got my attention, good start. Moving on from Darnold, ok I can see that. Not bad, then you said the unthinkable. I had to do a double check to see who posted it, but the David Gilmour gave it away. There is no overrating on Watson. Matter of fact, I think some fans are under rating him. If a team had a one man show, the Texans would be it. Anyone who can name me the offensive weapons on that team without looking it up would be Texan fans. Because, no one outside of that fan base could do it. He’s a great player, and is young. To show you how great he is, the Texans won 4 games last year. If not for him they would have been 0-16. That team is dreadful. And if they’re stupid enough to trade a talented player like Watson, we should be that team on the other end. That wasn't even my point about the post. But yeah, fans are over-valuing Watson just a little. Before this year nobody would've offered up a second round pick for him.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 8, 2021 11:53:36 GMT -5
You were doing so well. Saying Jet fans are stupid got my attention, good start. Moving on from Darnold, ok I can see that. Not bad, then you said the unthinkable. I had to do a double check to see who posted it, but the David Gilmour gave it away. There is no overrating on Watson. Matter of fact, I think some fans are under rating him. If a team had a one man show, the Texans would be it. Anyone who can name me the offensive weapons on that team without looking it up would be Texan fans. Because, no one outside of that fan base could do it. He’s a great player, and is young. To show you how great he is, the Texans won 4 games last year. If not for him they would have been 0-16. That team is dreadful. And if they’re stupid enough to trade a talented player like Watson, we should be that team on the other end. That wasn't even my point about the post. But yeah, fans are over-valuing Watson just a little. Before this year nobody would've offered up a second round pick for him. Why not? He was just as great last year.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 8, 2021 11:53:38 GMT -5
Yeah, no. Both have 4 wins this year. Sure as heck wasn't inability from Watson that Houston was floundering. Watson relative to Jones: - 1,880 more yards. Watson led the NFL in Yards - Watson had 2.3 more YPA than Jones. Substantial, but again, Watson led the NFL in this regard - 22 more TDs. Though, TD's were... lets say, not a strength for Jones. - 7 less turnoversWatson did this with talent that was similar to what Jones had supporting him, he lost a top 2 WR in the NFL and still put up the best numbers of his career. A first and Jones? Houston would laugh at the offer. I'd happily give this and next years first along with Jones for a top 5 QB. Now people complaining about the cost, what is more expensive, this transaction (2 firsts and Jones) or 'building' around Jones which is a complete crapshoot? What if one of the building blocks gets hurt? do we write off another season? some food for thought Dimes: 5 wins 9 losses Watson: 4-12 ... I hear you though, Watson is a top 5 QB statistically. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I really don't like Watson's tweets. Tweeting about his fantasy stats...criticizing the owner and front office after getting paid 40 million yearly. Seems to have a loser mentality. Scorching hot take.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 8, 2021 11:54:04 GMT -5
You were doing so well. Saying Jet fans are stupid got my attention, good start. Moving on from Darnold, ok I can see that. Not bad, then you said the unthinkable. I had to do a double check to see who posted it, but the David Gilmour gave it away. There is no overrating on Watson. Matter of fact, I think some fans are under rating him. If a team had a one man show, the Texans would be it. Anyone who can name me the offensive weapons on that team without looking it up would be Texan fans. Because, no one outside of that fan base could do it. He’s a great player, and is young. To show you how great he is, the Texans won 4 games last year. If not for him they would have been 0-16. That team is dreadful. And if they’re stupid enough to trade a talented player like Watson, we should be that team on the other end. That wasn't even my point about the post. But yeah, fans are over-valuing Watson just a little. Before this year nobody would've offered up a second round pick for him. You’re right. They would have given up a 1st for him.
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 8, 2021 11:54:41 GMT -5
Haven't watched much of him, but I remember seeing a big-arm QB with mobility. He's a great football player. Taking a deeper look he definitely passes the eye-ball test. I can see why he has a top-5 status. his Tweets rub me the wrong way..maybe I'm overreacting but I remember similar stuff happening here a few years ago. and he getting paid like Mahomes after 1 playoff win and sending out Tweets promoting his agent.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 8, 2021 11:55:42 GMT -5
That wasn't even my point about the post. But yeah, fans are over-valuing Watson just a little. Before this year nobody would've offered up a second round pick for him. Why not? He was just as great last year. I can't listen to these people that are actually putting Jones in Watson's league. Their playbook is predictable. They talk shit about other quarterbacks to boost up Jones, who is one subpar season 3 away from losing his job.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 8, 2021 11:57:32 GMT -5
Why not? He was just as great last year. I can't listen to these people that are actually putting Jones in Watson's league. Their playbook is predictable. They talk shit about other quarterbacks to boost up Jones, who is one subpar season 3 away from losing his job. Watson is such a great football player. The guy is an absolute elite NFL QB.
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Post by jay051 on Jan 8, 2021 11:58:06 GMT -5
You were doing so well. Saying Jet fans are stupid got my attention, good start. Moving on from Darnold, ok I can see that. Not bad, then you said the unthinkable. I had to do a double check to see who posted it, but the David Gilmour gave it away. There is no overrating on Watson. Matter of fact, I think some fans are under rating him. If a team had a one man show, the Texans would be it. Anyone who can name me the offensive weapons on that team without looking it up would be Texan fans. Because, no one outside of that fan base could do it. He’s a great player, and is young. To show you how great he is, the Texans won 4 games last year. If not for him they would have been 0-16. That team is dreadful. And if they’re stupid enough to trade a talented player like Watson, we should be that team on the other end. That wasn't even my point about the post. But yeah, fans are over-valuing Watson just a little. Before this year nobody would've offered up a second round pick for him. You're joking right? Watson has been a star since day 1.
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Post by jay051 on Jan 8, 2021 11:59:47 GMT -5
That wasn't even my point about the post. But yeah, fans are over-valuing Watson just a little. Before this year nobody would've offered up a second round pick for him. You’re right. They would have given up a 1st for him. At least two 1st for him.
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