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Post by SG88 on Jan 8, 2021 7:40:54 GMT -5
Reports are coming out that Deshaun Watson no longer wants to be in Houston. Would you guys make a phone call to see what their asking price is? How much would you be willing to give up? Watson thinks the Texans should seek his approval of the new GM and HC for the Texans....why would any NFL team want a player who thinks he is more important than the owner and management. The Giants would never bring a headcase like that into the team. On top of that the Giants would have to give up two number one draft choices plus more......no way yhe Giants even consider this move. The owner actually told him that he would ask for his input. As usual, you have an incendiary white take that has no substance and no due diligence done. You're horrible at this shit, dude.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 8, 2021 7:53:58 GMT -5
Watson thinks the Texans should seek his approval of the new GM and HC for the Texans....why would any NFL team want a player who thinks he is more important than the owner and management. The Giants would never bring a headcase like that into the team. On top of that the Giants would have to give up two number one draft choices plus more......no way yhe Giants even consider this move. The owner actually told him that he would ask for his input. As usually, you have an incendiary white take that has noth no substance and no due diligence done. You're horrible at this shit, dude. Agreed First off why would ANY owner reach out to a player for input for a GM .. This is the first time I have ever heard of this. And then to renage? This owner is really starting to fall into the Jones/Snyder category of inept
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Post by jay051 on Jan 8, 2021 7:55:04 GMT -5
Everything it takes to get him? I don't know about that. And besides we aren't a qb away from being contenders and I'm saying this as a huge D. Watson fan. We still need playmakers on offense. So you wouldnt trade for a QB who doesn't need everything around him to be perfect. In fact, quite to the contrary. Watson doesnt NEED a great OL or playmakers like Jones. He puts up elite number regardless. Who wouldn't want a guy like that playing the most important position in sports? To me, its a QB driven league. Jones is average at his very best. Watson is a massive upgrade The fact that this is even a debate is comical. Only Giants fans, first Russ Wilson isn't worth it, now Watson. Can't make this up lol. Lol. What is the texans record? Obviously he is a huge upgrade. Clearly u dont wanna win and be a contender which to me is comical. You can't make this up. We have giants fans that want pretty numbers instead of team loaded with talent.....smdh. Newflash: Watson wont be enough unless we get him without giving up much.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 8, 2021 8:16:41 GMT -5
The owner actually told him that he would ask for his input. As usually, you have an incendiary white take that has noth no substance and no due diligence done. You're horrible at this shit, dude. Agreed First off why would ANY owner reach out to a player for input for a GM .. This is the first time I have ever heard of this. And then to renage? This owner is really starting to fall into the Jones/Snyder category of inept I agree that the owner should not have offered to consider his input. In turn, fans should not get mad at the player or call him out when he holds the owner to their word.
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Post by BlueReign on Jan 8, 2021 8:22:41 GMT -5
Reports are coming out that Deshaun Watson no longer wants to be in Houston. Would you guys make a phone call to see what their asking price is? How much would you be willing to give up? Watson thinks the Texans should seek his approval of the new GM and HC for the Texans....why would any NFL team want a player who thinks he is more important than the owner and management. The Giants would never bring a headcase like that into the team. On top of that the Giants would have to give up two number one draft choices plus more......no way yhe Giants even consider this move. I think the owner told him he would be part of the process. That makes things a bit different. With that being said, I hope that culture doesn't pervade the NFL like it has the NBA.
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 8, 2021 8:23:59 GMT -5
The owner actually told him that he would ask for his input. As usually, you have an incendiary white take that has noth no substance and no due diligence done. You're horrible at this shit, dude. Agreed First off why would ANY owner reach out to a player for input for a GM .. This is the first time I have ever heard of this. And then to renage? This owner is really starting to fall into the Jones/Snyder category of inept Cal Mcnair has no idea what to do since he took over. He has made questionable move after questionable move.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 8:28:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind Watson being the QB on the Giants..
I would think it's a mistake to trade a way a lot of value to get him so there is that..
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 8, 2021 8:36:37 GMT -5
I just can't see any franchise trading that guy. They got him, how far away could they be? Considering that they have no coach, no first or second round picks and bad contracts all within the span of a year, it will be worse before they get better. They need too knock it out the park with thier GM and coaching hire. It is the only thing that can save them.
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Post by imgrate on Jan 8, 2021 8:38:33 GMT -5
I just can't see any franchise trading that guy. They got him, how far away could they be? Please tell me this is a classic Sarcasman "callback to another thread" sarcasm.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 8, 2021 8:41:19 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind Watson being the QB on the Giants.. I would think it's a mistake to trade a way a lot of value to get him so there is that.. I totally understand the "don't want to give up too much" argument. I just think that QB is the most important position in football and you must have that position right in order to win, especially in today's game. The Trent Dilfer model ain't gonna cut it in 2021. A team has to do everything they can to get that position right. Someone mentioned giving up both Jones and Barkley. I would do that kind of trade without hesitation. I also would give up Jones and this year's first.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 8, 2021 8:46:20 GMT -5
The Giants have very little player capital to give a way. Jones isn't worth too much because he is still an unknown and Barkley is coming off an injury. They would sweeten the pot but would not be a main course their. On top of that the Giants still need to get their offensive roster squared away with a few play makers.
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Post by imgrate on Jan 8, 2021 8:47:04 GMT -5
Why not the Patriots?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 8:48:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind Watson being the QB on the Giants.. I would think it's a mistake to trade a way a lot of value to get him so there is that.. I totally understand the "don't want to give up too much argument." I just think that QB is the most important position in football and you must have that position right in order to win, especially in today's game. The Trent Dilfer model ain't gonna cut it in 2021. A team has to do everything they can to get that position right. Someone mentioned giving up both Jones and Barkley. I would do that kind of trade without hesitation. I also would give up Jones and this year's first. Those trades aren't considered to be too much for me.. Just think it's unrealistic to think any team would trade for a RB who hasn't been able to stay on the field for two years in a row.. I also feel it's unrealistic to think a team would trade a way a QB as good as him but here we are discussing it.. Jones and a 1st would be the max I would give them..
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 8, 2021 8:49:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind Watson being the QB on the Giants.. I would think it's a mistake to trade a way a lot of value to get him so there is that.. I totally understand the "don't want to give up too much argument." I just think that QB is the most important position in football and you must have that position right in order to win, especially in today's game. The Trent Dilfer model ain't gonna cut it in 2021. A team has to do everything they can to get that position right. Someone mentioned giving up both Jones and Barkley. I would do that kind of trade without hesitation. I also would give up Jones and this year's first. Jones,Barkley and next year's 1st "could " get this done,along with giving him a 2nyear extension so they have enough room to sign Williams and Tomlinson and extend Peppers When a certain fool says that he doesn't need people around him to lift a team like he has on here he also fails to consider there is another side of the ball that has to stay intact Then draft all offense this draft (keep Gallman).. But would the Texans take just Jones and Barkley and next year's first?
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Post by SG88 on Jan 8, 2021 8:51:53 GMT -5
New England is a more realistic possibility. The funny thing about them is that they are one of the few teams with worse receivers than us. Lol
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 8, 2021 8:56:04 GMT -5
I would definitely consider it. He is a significant upgrade at the position. I would rather get a guy like this than wait two years trying to figure out if Jones is the guy. unfortunately thats probably what will happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 8:57:14 GMT -5
I totally understand the "don't want to give up too much argument." I just think that QB is the most important position in football and you must have that position right in order to win, especially in today's game. The Trent Dilfer model ain't gonna cut it in 2021. A team has to do everything they can to get that position right. Someone mentioned giving up both Jones and Barkley. I would do that kind of trade without hesitation. I also would give up Jones and this year's first. Jones,Barkley and next year's 1st "could " get this done,along with giving him a 2nyear extension so they have enough room to sign Williams and Tomlinson and extend Peppers When a certain fool says that he doesn't need people around him to lift a team like he has on here he also fails to consider there is another side of the ball that has to stay intact Then draft all offense this draft (keep Gallman).. But would the Texans take just Jones and Barkley and next year's first?When you say next year do you mean the 2022 draft? Adding a 1st is more realistic of a trade if Barkley and Jones are involved and I wouldn't think it was a real bad move..
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 8, 2021 8:59:10 GMT -5
I have no idea where this idea that Watson wanted out came from but I really dont think he wants to leave Houston. Regardless, I would not want to trade for him. I live in the Houston area and the media is full of the story of Watson's unhappiness but nobody has said that he wants out.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 8, 2021 8:59:19 GMT -5
New England is a more realistic possibility. The funny thing about them is that they are one of the few teams with worse receivers than us. Lol I think Harry could be a stud... He was injured most of 2019 and Newton didn't help him last year at all..when your qh overthrow a 6'4 reciever regularly its a bit of a problem But like us when your feature WR is a slot guy and there really isn't much else even an alltime great like Edelman can be contained (the defense forces the option routes shorter and the recievers yac yards become nonexistent
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Post by SG88 on Jan 8, 2021 8:59:53 GMT -5
I would definitely consider it. He is a significant upgrade at the position. I would rather get a guy like this than wait two years trying to figure out if Jones is the guy. unfortunately thats probably what will happen. I don't look at it that way. I would definitely prefer to get Watson and have him be our QB going forward. However, seeing what Jones can do with better receivers in year 3 isn't necessarily a bad plan for 2021. We better hope that Gettleman doesn't downplay the WR position again this offseason. If he does, we are ****ed yet again.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 8, 2021 9:03:39 GMT -5
I have no idea where this idea that Watson wanted out came from but I really dont think he wants to leave Houston. Regardless, I would not want to trade for him. I live in the Houston area and the media is full of the story of Watson's unhappiness but nobody has said that he wants out. All of this is most likely a ton of media speculation. It is fun talking shop though. We are already in our offseason and this topic is a fun one to discuss IMO.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 8, 2021 9:04:21 GMT -5
Jones,Barkley and next year's 1st "could " get this done,along with giving him a 2nyear extension so they have enough room to sign Williams and Tomlinson and extend Peppers When a certain fool says that he doesn't need people around him to lift a team like he has on here he also fails to consider there is another side of the ball that has to stay intact Then draft all offense this draft (keep Gallman).. But would the Texans take just Jones and Barkley and next year's first?When you say next year do you mean the 2022 draft? Adding a 1st is more realistic of a trade if Barkley and Jones are involved and I wouldn't think it was a real bad move.. Yeah....2022 And extending him to resign our defensive guys coming up the next 2 years Of course if we (insert laugh track here)could trade back and get an extra day 2 pick if Waddle or Chase are gone ... Get Olave (probably moves up to a 1st round pick and is a close facsimile to Smith Baby gronk,Sermon,Aldric Jackson (Iowa LT that probably moves to guard due to stubby arms ) Ofdense could be set
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 8, 2021 9:07:19 GMT -5
unfortunately thats probably what will happen. I don't look at it that way. I would definitely prefer to get Watson and have him be our QB going forward. However, seeing what Jones can do with better receivers in year 3 isn't necessarily a bad plan for 2021. We better hope that Gettleman doesn't downplay the WR position again this offseason. If he does, we are ****ed yet again. From his presser it sounds like we all need to start researching recievers up and down the draft board because he likes to flood positions with picks Let's hope he remembers that in this era we need dynamic athletic types that threaten the entire field and not big slugs (like he did in Carolina)that waddle down the field witb a limited route tree and can only make jump ball plays
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 8, 2021 9:08:11 GMT -5
unfortunately thats probably what will happen. I don't look at it that way. I would definitely prefer to get Watson and have him be our QB going forward. However, seeing what Jones can do with better receivers in year 3 isn't necessarily a bad plan for 2021. We better hope that Gettleman doesn't downplay the WR position again this offseason. If he does, we are ****ed yet again. I would think that a professional like Gettleman would know the team needs to have much more talented receivers at least I hope so...
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 8, 2021 9:21:07 GMT -5
Maybe this will turn into an Odell type of situation - forced his way off the team after signing a huge contract only to end up some place he doesn't want to be.
Watson to the Jets? That would be funny.
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 8, 2021 9:24:26 GMT -5
I don't look at it that way. I would definitely prefer to get Watson and have him be our QB going forward. However, seeing what Jones can do with better receivers in year 3 isn't necessarily a bad plan for 2021. We better hope that Gettleman doesn't downplay the WR position again this offseason. If he does, we are ****ed yet again. Let's hope he remembers that in this era we need dynamic athletic types that threaten the entire field and not big slugs (like he did in Carolina)that waddle down the field witb a limited route tree and can only make jump ball plays Gettleman has a excellent track record after he brought the computer guys in last year. I'm hoping that continues...I have to admit Gettleman doesn't sound as stubborn lately.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 8, 2021 9:26:21 GMT -5
I don't look at it that way. I would definitely prefer to get Watson and have him be our QB going forward. However, seeing what Jones can do with better receivers in year 3 isn't necessarily a bad plan for 2021. We better hope that Gettleman doesn't downplay the WR position again this offseason. If he does, we are ****ed yet again. I would think that a professional like Gettleman would know the team needs to have much more talented receivers at least I hope so... Yeah, signing Golden Tate, waiting till the 5th round in one draft, and passing up on a ton of receivers in a receiver rich draft in another certainly aren't good ways to address the position.
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Post by bizcliz on Jan 8, 2021 9:28:45 GMT -5
I don't look at it that way. I would definitely prefer to get Watson and have him be our QB going forward. However, seeing what Jones can do with better receivers in year 3 isn't necessarily a bad plan for 2021. We better hope that Gettleman doesn't downplay the WR position again this offseason. If he does, we are ****ed yet again. From his presser it sounds like we all need to start researching recievers up and down the draft board because he likes to flood positions with picks Let's hope he remembers that in this era we need dynamic athletic types that threaten the entire field and not big slugs (like he did in Carolina)that waddle down the field witb a limited route tree and can only make jump ball plays Yeah we're going to end up with a bunch of WRs/TEs/RBs this year. WR: even if they go out and sign a Robinson/Golladay/Davis, you still need to account for Shep's injury history and Slayton's inconsistency TE: Engram is Engram and our other guys are JAGs RBs: Big Saquon decision coming up, need to have an insurance policy if we move on. I like Gallman but I don't think he's a true every down RB. Need more versatility Plus I wouldn't count out an OL
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 8, 2021 9:31:14 GMT -5
Jets fans are ready to give 3 #1s for Watson. They have 2 first round picks this year including the #2.
If I'm GM Caserio - I take that. Draft Justin Fields or another top prospect and still have another 2 first rounders in this year's draft + a lot of extra cap room to rebuild the defense.
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Post by jay051 on Jan 8, 2021 9:35:34 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind Watson being the QB on the Giants.. I would think it's a mistake to trade a way a lot of value to get him so there is that.. I totally understand the "don't want to give up too much" argument. I just think that QB is the most important position in football and you must have that position right in order to win, especially in today's game. The Trent Dilfer model ain't gonna cut it in 2021. A team has to do everything they can to get that position right. Someone mentioned giving up both Jones and Barkley. I would do that kind of trade without hesitation. I also would give up Jones and this year's first. Jones and this years 1st?? Sign me up immediately....but you and I both know that the Texans will laugh at us and hang up on us with the quickness. Now would any of you give up Jones, Barkley and this years 1st for Watson?? I still dont think the texans would even take that deal. They would want two 1st round picks as the starting point.
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