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Post by thetruth on Jan 8, 2021 11:59:59 GMT -5
That wasn't even my point about the post. But yeah, fans are over-valuing Watson just a little. Before this year nobody would've offered up a second round pick for him. You're joking right? Watson has been a star since day 1. Lots of people have no idea whats going on outside of the Giants. |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 8, 2021 12:02:06 GMT -5
Why not? He was just as great last year. I can't listen to these people that are actually putting Jones in Watson's league. Their playbook is predictable. They talk shit about other quarterbacks to boost up Jones, who is one subpar season 3 away from losing his job. Like Jones, Watson didn't look like a franchise QB his first few years in the league. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 8, 2021 12:02:52 GMT -5
I can't listen to these people that are actually putting Jones in Watson's league. Their playbook is predictable. They talk shit about other quarterbacks to boost up Jones, who is one subpar season 3 away from losing his job. Like Jones, Watson didn't look like a franchise QB his first few years in the league. What color is the sky in your world? |
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Post by jay051 on Jan 8, 2021 12:04:34 GMT -5
I can't listen to these people that are actually putting Jones in Watson's league. Their playbook is predictable. They talk shit about other quarterbacks to boost up Jones, who is one subpar season 3 away from losing his job. Like Jones, Watson didn't look like a franchise QB his first few years in the league. Bruh....now you are OFFICIALLY trolling. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 8, 2021 12:06:18 GMT -5
Like Jones, Watson didn't look like a franchise QB his first few years in the league. Bruh....now you are OFFICIALLY trolling. He threw 19 TD's in 6 games in his rookie year before he tore his ACL in practice.
Remember that Seattle game? They guy exploded on the scene.
Mike is a tad confused. But we're here to help him through it.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 8, 2021 12:11:59 GMT -5
Like Jones, Watson didn't look like a franchise QB his first few years in the league. Bruh....now you are OFFICIALLY trolling. Settle down Bruh, he was not a "star" at the beginning of his career. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 8, 2021 12:12:25 GMT -5
That wasn't even my point about the post. But yeah, fans are over-valuing Watson just a little. Before this year nobody would've offered up a second round pick for him. You’re right. They would have given up a 1st for him. Only a first? Wait..that would have been Obrien so par for giving up Watson for that cheap |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 8, 2021 12:13:05 GMT -5
Like Jones, Watson didn't look like a franchise QB his first few years in the league. Bruh....now you are OFFICIALLY trolling. He has to be |
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Post by jay051 on Jan 8, 2021 12:17:04 GMT -5
Bruh....now you are OFFICIALLY trolling. Settle down Bruh, he was not a "star" at the beginning of his career. Nah settle up bruh because its obvious that you haven't paid attention to Watson since his rookie year. |
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Post by jay051 on Jan 8, 2021 12:17:42 GMT -5
Bruh....now you are OFFICIALLY trolling. He has to be I'm not so sure anymore......smh |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 8, 2021 12:19:08 GMT -5
The difference between Daniel Jones and Deshaun Watson is Jones has more wins this year on a gimpy leg. I've been told Deshaun is a great QB, MVP contender at times...maybe QBs are overvalued. Yeah, no. Both have 4 wins this year. Sure as heck wasn't inability from Watson that Houston was floundering. Watson relative to Jones: - 1,880 more yards. Watson led the NFL in Yards - Watson had 2.3 more YPA than Jones. Substantial, but again, Watson led the NFL in this regard - 22 more TDs. Though, TD's were... lets say, not a strength for Jones. - 7 less turnoversWatson did this with talent that was similar to what Jones had supporting him, he lost a top 2 WR in the NFL and still put up the best numbers of his career. A first and Jones? Houston would laugh at the offer. I'd happily give this and next years first along with Jones for a top 5 QB. Now people complaining about the cost, what is more expensive, this transaction (2 firsts and Jones) or 'building' around Jones which is a complete crapshoot? What if one of the building blocks gets hurt? do we write off another season? some food for thought I guess folks are just concerned about his record because you are what your record says you are or so the saying goes... And sure his team sucks but great QBs carry those crap teams to the playoffs all the time. It's a spongy rule so you may have to check out what day it is, the alignment of Saturn, what time of day it is and the position of the moon before applying it. |
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 8, 2021 12:24:29 GMT -5
I can't listen to these people that are actually putting Jones in Watson's league. Their playbook is predictable. They talk shit about other quarterbacks to boost up Jones, who is one subpar season 3 away from losing his job. Like Jones, Watson didn't look like a franchise QB his first few years in the league. Huh? You do realize in his second year in the league he threw for over 4,000 yards, 26 TDs to just 9 interceptions. If you haven't watched Watson play, maybe you should stop with the comparisons. |
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Post by GameTime on Jan 8, 2021 12:27:33 GMT -5
why are some of you comparing Jones to Watson. Its a ridiculous and a waste of effort at this point in time.
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 8, 2021 12:28:56 GMT -5
He's a great football player. Taking a deeper look he definitely passes the eye-ball test. I can see why he has a top-5 status. his Tweets rub me the wrong way..maybe I'm overreacting but I remember similar stuff happening here a few years ago. and he getting paid like Mahomes after 1 playoff win and sending out Tweets promoting his agent. His tweets aren't what's bothering you, it's the fact that you can't use PFF to say that Daniel Jones is somehow better than Deshaun Watson. |
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 8, 2021 12:35:03 GMT -5
Taking a deeper look he definitely passes the eye-ball test. I can see why he has a top-5 status. his Tweets rub me the wrong way..maybe I'm overreacting but I remember similar stuff happening here a few years ago. and he getting paid like Mahomes after 1 playoff win and sending out Tweets promoting his agent. His tweets aren't what's bothering you, it's the fact that you can't use PFF to say that Daniel Jones is somehow better than Deshaun Watson. lol...I'm not crazy enough to claim Jones is better. I'm still looking for an angle though. Hmm. I like Jones's Twitter - seems much more like a team Judge guy. I see lots of self promotion from Watson. Costs a lot less than Watson. Sometimes you can find great value in the Dollar Store which leaves money for other necessities. Intangibles. |
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 8, 2021 12:38:07 GMT -5
The difference between Daniel Jones and Deshaun Watson is Jones has more wins this year on a gimpy leg. I've been told Deshaun is a great QB, MVP contender at times...maybe QBs are overvalued. Yeah, no. Both have 4 wins this year. Sure as heck wasn't inability from Watson that Houston was floundering. Watson relative to Jones: - 1,880 more yards. Watson led the NFL in Yards - Watson had 2.3 more YPA than Jones. Substantial, but again, Watson led the NFL in this regard - 22 more TDs. Though, TD's were... lets say, not a strength for Jones. - 7 less turnoversWatson did this with talent that was similar to what Jones had supporting him, he lost a top 2 WR in the NFL and still put up the best numbers of his career. A first and Jones? Houston would laugh at the offer. I'd happily give this and next years first along with Jones for a top 5 QB. Now people complaining about the cost, what is more expensive, this transaction (2 firsts and Jones) or 'building' around Jones which is a complete crapshoot? What if one of the building blocks gets hurt? do we write off another season? some food for thought I am curious...what would you, as a Canadian, estimate it would take to get Watson? I dare say there has never been a trade like this before. |
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 8, 2021 12:40:51 GMT -5
Watson thinks the Texans should seek his approval of the new GM and HC for the Texans....why would any NFL team want a player who thinks he is more important than the owner and management. The Giants would never bring a headcase like that into the team. On top of that the Giants would have to give up two number one draft choices plus more......no way yhe Giants even consider this move. The team told him that he would be involved in the hiring process, then when he offered his input on certain candidates, they didn't even consider them. If they didn't want his input they should've said so from the beginning, not try to do some sort of theatrics. He should get a say in that terrible franchise, since the last GM traded away 2 first rounders for a LT who's dealing with serious arthritis issues that will limit his mobility in the long term and they traded away the star WR in exchange for a washed up RB and a 2nd round pick. |
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Post by JoeyCush on Jan 8, 2021 12:41:14 GMT -5
I'm probably in the minority who thinks Watson is a tad overrated and I love watching him play. My issue with him is whenever I watch him I find myself constantly saying why is he leaving the pocket? He makes one read and then scrambles out to play street ball. He isnt always looking to run but he is not sitting in the pocket and going through the reads as much as you would want a QB to do so.
Could it be OL play? Maybe but I often find it hard to even evaluate the OL because he starts moving so quickly.
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 8, 2021 12:43:53 GMT -5
His tweets aren't what's bothering you, it's the fact that you can't use PFF to say that Daniel Jones is somehow better than Deshaun Watson. lol...I'm not crazy enough to claim Jones is better. I'm still looking for an angle though. Hmm. I like Jones's Twitter - seems much more like a team Judge guy. I see lots of self promotion from Watson. Costs a lot less than Watson. Sometimes you can find great value in the Dollar Store which leaves money for other necessities. Intangibles. He costs a lot less than Mahomes as well. I'd still take Mahomes though. lol Joe Judge also likes Baker Mayfield, does that make him a Judge guy? |
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Post by jay051 on Jan 8, 2021 12:44:44 GMT -5
I'm probably in the minority who thinks Watson is a tad overrated and I love watching him play. My issue with him is whenever I watch him I find myself constantly saying why is he leaving the pocket? He makes one read and then scrambles out to play street ball. He isnt always looking to run but he is not sitting in the pocket and going through the reads as much as you would want a QB to do so. Could it be OL play? Maybe but I often find it hard to even evaluate the OL because he starts moving so quickly. He has had a bad oline for years. I mean REALLY BAD. |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 8, 2021 12:53:22 GMT -5
Like Jones, Watson didn't look like a franchise QB his first few years in the league. Huh? You do realize in his second year in the league he threw for over 4,000 yards, 26 TDs to just 9 interceptions. If you haven't watched Watson play, maybe you should stop with the comparisons. I'm not comparing them, only their situations. I don't think Watson become what you see now until they upgraded the OL and he stopped taking so many sacks. You say he was always a star, fine. He's not leaving the Texans. |
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jan 8, 2021 12:57:28 GMT -5
I can't listen to these people that are actually putting Jones in Watson's league. Their playbook is predictable. They talk shit about other quarterbacks to boost up Jones, who is one subpar season 3 away from losing his job. Like Jones, Watson didn't look like a franchise QB his first few years in the league. ???!! Dude, you're nuts. Watson has been very good his entire tenure there. Not perfect, but there has been no question about him being a franchise QB. |
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 8, 2021 12:59:35 GMT -5
Pretty amusing.
..I know we've been bad but they are grasping for anything.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 8, 2021 13:01:18 GMT -5
Like Jones, Watson didn't look like a franchise QB his first few years in the league. ???!! Dude, you're nuts. Watson has been very good his entire tenure there. Not perfect, but definitely a start. Never said he wasn't. Being a star and being a QB who can play 10+ years with a team and win championships is different. RG3 was a star in the beginning. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 8, 2021 13:03:10 GMT -5
???!! Dude, you're nuts. Watson has been very good his entire tenure there. Not perfect, but definitely a start. Never said he wasn't. Being a star and being a QB who can play 10+ years with a team and win championships is different. RG3 was a star his rookie year. Take a few plays off Mike. It’s time the trainers take you into the tent for a concussion protocol. |
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jan 8, 2021 13:11:54 GMT -5
???!! Dude, you're nuts. Watson has been very good his entire tenure there. Not perfect, but definitely a start. Never said he wasn't. Being a star and being a QB who can play 10+ years with a team and win championships is different. RG3 was a star in the beginning. Can you please explain how this is different? Watson has been carrying that team for years despite terrible coaching and management around him. Not sure what more one would expect out of a young QB outside of what Watson has done thus far in his career. |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 8, 2021 13:16:01 GMT -5
Never said he wasn't. Being a star and being a QB who can play 10+ years with a team and win championships is different. RG3 was a star his rookie year. Take a few plays off Mike. It’s time the trainers take you into the tent for a concussion protocol. I'd still be smarter than you  He had flaws in his game early in his career. Texans fans did nothing but complain about all the sacks he took. I think he still takes too many. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 8, 2021 13:17:12 GMT -5
Bruh....now you are OFFICIALLY trolling. Settle down Bruh, he was not a "star" at the beginning of his career. He was a superstar actually. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 8, 2021 13:25:05 GMT -5
Yeah, no. Both have 4 wins this year. Sure as heck wasn't inability from Watson that Houston was floundering. Watson relative to Jones: - 1,880 more yards. Watson led the NFL in Yards - Watson had 2.3 more YPA than Jones. Substantial, but again, Watson led the NFL in this regard - 22 more TDs. Though, TD's were... lets say, not a strength for Jones. - 7 less turnoversWatson did this with talent that was similar to what Jones had supporting him, he lost a top 2 WR in the NFL and still put up the best numbers of his career. A first and Jones? Houston would laugh at the offer. I'd happily give this and next years first along with Jones for a top 5 QB. Now people complaining about the cost, what is more expensive, this transaction (2 firsts and Jones) or 'building' around Jones which is a complete crapshoot? What if one of the building blocks gets hurt? do we write off another season? some food for thought I guess folks are just concerned about his record because you are what your record says you are or so the saying goes... And sure his team sucks but great QBs carry those crap teams to the playoffs all the time. It's a spongy rule so you may have to check out what day it is, the alignment of Saturn, what time of day it is and the position of the moon before applying it. Well he has been to 3 playoff games the past 2 seasons. So there's that but I read the earth's rotation sped up in 2020 so those two seasons should be dismissed. |
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Post by thetruth on Jan 8, 2021 13:31:48 GMT -5
Yeah, no. Both have 4 wins this year. Sure as heck wasn't inability from Watson that Houston was floundering. Watson relative to Jones: - 1,880 more yards. Watson led the NFL in Yards - Watson had 2.3 more YPA than Jones. Substantial, but again, Watson led the NFL in this regard - 22 more TDs. Though, TD's were... lets say, not a strength for Jones. - 7 less turnoversWatson did this with talent that was similar to what Jones had supporting him, he lost a top 2 WR in the NFL and still put up the best numbers of his career. A first and Jones? Houston would laugh at the offer. I'd happily give this and next years first along with Jones for a top 5 QB. Now people complaining about the cost, what is more expensive, this transaction (2 firsts and Jones) or 'building' around Jones which is a complete crapshoot? What if one of the building blocks gets hurt? do we write off another season? some food for thought I guess folks are just concerned about his record because you are what your record says you are or so the saying goes... And sure his team sucks but great QBs carry those crap teams to the playoffs all the time. It's a spongy rule so you may have to check out what day it is, the alignment of Saturn, what time of day it is and the position of the moon before applying it. OK. Team records are fun, but yes, very important. Perhaps some context should be applied? - Houston offence averaged a respectable 24 ppg - Giants offence averaged 17.5 ppg The talent on both offences is putrid. Big difference is between the QB's - one is a top 5 talent and producer, regardless of supporting cast. The other being Kirk Cousins without weapons. - Houston defence averaged 29 ppg against - Giants defence averaged 22.3 ppg against. Helps give context to the record. Yes? what would Daniel Jones record be if he had Houston's defence? Did our offence even break the 30 point barrier? would we have won a game? Questions that I would ask myself. |
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He had flaws in his game early in his career. Texans fans did nothing but complain about all the sacks he took. I think he still takes too many. 