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Post by nyg2 on Jan 28, 2021 10:18:20 GMT -5
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Post by JoeyCush on Jan 28, 2021 10:25:14 GMT -5
So curious where Watson goes. My gut is saying NYJ because they have the draft capital to trade and still not mortgage their future. They can trade 2nd and 23rd overall this year, one of their firsts next year and wind up with Watson and still have 34 overall this year, and a first round pick next year. Missing out on Trevor Lawrence may give them a reason to pull the trigger too.
Every team thats really in the Watson sweepstakes should be in the Stafford as well. Two teams are about to get a lot better.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 28, 2021 10:29:35 GMT -5
So curious where Watson goes. My gut is saying NYJ because they have the draft capital to trade and still not mortgage their future. They can trade 2nd and 23rd overall this year, one of their firsts next year and wind up with Watson and still have 34 overall this year, and a first round pick next year. Missing out on Trevor Lawrence may give them a reason to pull the trigger too. Every team thats really in the Watson sweepstakes should be in the Stafford as well. Two teams are about to get a lot better. If he's traded, the team that gets him will be better off. There is no value that a team has that can equal a guaranteed great QB in his prime. That's why I still don't think the Texans will trade him. |
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 28, 2021 10:33:49 GMT -5
Jones, # 11, and next years 1. Need to call and make the offer immediately.
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Post by JoeyCush on Jan 28, 2021 10:52:39 GMT -5
So curious where Watson goes. My gut is saying NYJ because they have the draft capital to trade and still not mortgage their future. They can trade 2nd and 23rd overall this year, one of their firsts next year and wind up with Watson and still have 34 overall this year, and a first round pick next year. Missing out on Trevor Lawrence may give them a reason to pull the trigger too. Every team thats really in the Watson sweepstakes should be in the Stafford as well. Two teams are about to get a lot better. If he's traded, the team that gets him will be better off. There is no value that a team has that can equal a guaranteed great QB in his prime. That's why I still don't think the Texans will trade him. Unfortunately for Houston I think that relationship is broken completely beyond repair. Notice how he "officially" requested for trade after the HC was hired. Not that I thought it would matter but maybe he was waiting to see who they hired. If Watson decides to sit out for the year, Texans would rather ship him off and recoup some draft capital than play this game with Watson for 2021. Star QBs are getting a lot of power in the NFL. Edit- Actually, Schefter reporting Watson requested the trade last week. So my point is wrong, I guess it really didnt matter who they hired. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 28, 2021 11:00:59 GMT -5
So curious where Watson goes. My gut is saying NYJ because they have the draft capital to trade and still not mortgage their future. They can trade 2nd and 23rd overall this year, one of their firsts next year and wind up with Watson and still have 34 overall this year, and a first round pick next year. Missing out on Trevor Lawrence may give them a reason to pull the trigger too. Every team thats really in the Watson sweepstakes should be in the Stafford as well. Two teams are about to get a lot better. I dont see it costing that much, at all. Texans lost a lot of leverage. |
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Post by JoeyCush on Jan 28, 2021 11:04:18 GMT -5
So curious where Watson goes. My gut is saying NYJ because they have the draft capital to trade and still not mortgage their future. They can trade 2nd and 23rd overall this year, one of their firsts next year and wind up with Watson and still have 34 overall this year, and a first round pick next year. Missing out on Trevor Lawrence may give them a reason to pull the trigger too. Every team thats really in the Watson sweepstakes should be in the Stafford as well. Two teams are about to get a lot better. I dont see it costing that much, at all. Texans lost a lot of leverage. While they did lose leverage, if it becomes a bidding war then the Jets have more ammo than most teams. I dont see Watson being traded for less than two firsts honestly. Maybe a first and a player, Im not sure. Houston still has to agree, which they apparently have no intentions of trading him right now. |
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 28, 2021 11:12:38 GMT -5
Jones, # 11, and next years 1. Need to call and make the offer immediately. Who's making that call? Dave Gettleman? I would love to have Deshaun Watson, but Gettleman won't even inquire let alone make an offer. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 28, 2021 11:13:52 GMT -5
I dont see it costing that much, at all. Texans lost a lot of leverage. While they did lose leverage, if it becomes a bidding war then the Jets have more ammo than most teams. I dont see Watson being traded for less than two firsts honestly. Maybe a first and a player, Im not sure. Houston still has to agree, which they apparently have no intentions of trading him right now. I agree with what you say except for Houston having no intention of trading him. I think they've already decided he has to go and whats the most they can get. I agree 2 first rd picks seem like the bar teams have to meet. |
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 28, 2021 11:15:39 GMT -5
So curious where Watson goes. My gut is saying NYJ because they have the draft capital to trade and still not mortgage their future. They can trade 2nd and 23rd overall this year, one of their firsts next year and wind up with Watson and still have 34 overall this year, and a first round pick next year. Missing out on Trevor Lawrence may give them a reason to pull the trigger too. Every team thats really in the Watson sweepstakes should be in the Stafford as well. Two teams are about to get a lot better. Heard on WFAN that he supposedly favors the Jets. Not sure how true it is. |
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Post by JoeyCush on Jan 28, 2021 11:17:06 GMT -5
While they did lose leverage, if it becomes a bidding war then the Jets have more ammo than most teams. I dont see Watson being traded for less than two firsts honestly. Maybe a first and a player, Im not sure. Houston still has to agree, which they apparently have no intentions of trading him right now. I agree with what you say except for Houston having no intention of trading him. I think they've already decided he has to go and whats the most they can get. I agree 2 first rd picks seem like the bar teams have to meet. I think hes as good as gone and the Texans know that. I'm just repeating what Ian Rapoport/Adam Schefter are saying |
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 28, 2021 11:25:43 GMT -5
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 28, 2021 11:36:44 GMT -5
Jones, # 11, and next years 1. Need to call and make the offer immediately. Who's making that call? Dave Gettleman? I would love to have Deshaun Watson, but Gettleman won't even inquire let alone make an offer. I have no trust in the man, you are probably right. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 28, 2021 11:51:14 GMT -5
Jets and Miami will have all the firepower to outbid anyone and enough cap space not to have to let good players walk this year...
(For those that want this please explain how we replace both Williams and Tomlinson,get an edge rusher ,and most importantly the dynamic outside playmaker we are in dire need of to have a modern NFL offense that can threaten the entire field with no 1st round picks the next 2 years and our cap now jacked with a qb being paid?)
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 28, 2021 11:59:11 GMT -5
Jets and Miami will have all the firepower to outbid anyone and enough cap space not to have to let good players walk this year... (For those that want this please explain how we replace both Williams and Tomlinson,get an edge rusher ,and most importantly the dynamic outside playmaker we are in dire need of to have a modern NFL offense that can threaten the entire field with no 1st round picks the next 2 years and our cap now jacked with a qb being paid?) Is the NFL shutting its doors after 2021? Watson would make the Giants relevant until 2035....
And you are assuming the Giants would be good in 2021 if they retain Williams and Tomlinson. They just went 6-10 with them. Watson's cap # in 2021 is only $12 million. Giants could acquire him and still retain Tomlinson and add other FAs. The trade would likely cost us Leonard Williams whom is about to get a contract he's only lived up to in 1 of his 5 NFL seasons. Is losing out on that a game changer?
Watson in and of himself would take this offense to a new level. His Texans scored 110 more points than the Giants despite having a similar cast around him as our QBs had. If you get him with a healthy Barkley the Giants are the best team in this division if the D is anywhere near what they were last year. And come 2022 we have a ton of caproom to add to the mix.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 28, 2021 12:04:01 GMT -5
Jets and Miami will have all the firepower to outbid anyone and enough cap space not to have to let good players walk this year... (For those that want this please explain how we replace both Williams and Tomlinson,get an edge rusher ,and most importantly the dynamic outside playmaker we are in dire need of to have a modern NFL offense that can threaten the entire field with no 1st round picks the next 2 years and our cap now jacked with a qb being paid?) Is the NFL shutting its doors after 2021? Watson would make the Giants relevant until 2035....
And you are assuming the Giants would be good in 2021 if they retain Williams and Tomlinson. They just went 6-10 with them. Watson's cap # in 2021 is only $12 million. Giants could acquire him and still retain Tomlinson and add other FAs. The trade would likely cost us Leonard Williams whom is about to get a contract he's only lived up to in 1 of his 5 NFL seasons. Is losing out on that a game changer?
Watson in and of himself would take this offense to a new level. His Texans scored 110 more points than the Giants despite having a similar cast around him as our QBs had. If you get him with a healthy Barkley the Giants are the best team in this division if the D is anywhere near what they were last year. And come 2022 we have a ton of caproom to add to the mix.
And Houston went 4-12 with him .. You still didn't tell me a reasonable and logical way to replace the talent we will lose with Williams and aquire the at least dynamic threats we need to field a modern NFL passing attack. It's not going to happen because there are too many teams that have more firepower than us... or are a qb away from being in a Championship window for a long time .. |
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 28, 2021 12:10:33 GMT -5
Is the NFL shutting its doors after 2021? Watson would make the Giants relevant until 2035....
And you are assuming the Giants would be good in 2021 if they retain Williams and Tomlinson. They just went 6-10 with them. Watson's cap # in 2021 is only $12 million. Giants could acquire him and still retain Tomlinson and add other FAs. The trade would likely cost us Leonard Williams whom is about to get a contract he's only lived up to in 1 of his 5 NFL seasons. Is losing out on that a game changer?
Watson in and of himself would take this offense to a new level. His Texans scored 110 more points than the Giants despite having a similar cast around him as our QBs had. If you get him with a healthy Barkley the Giants are the best team in this division if the D is anywhere near what they were last year. And come 2022 we have a ton of caproom to add to the mix.
And Houston went 4-12 with him .. You still didn't tell me a reasonable and logical way to replace the talent we will lose with Williams and aquire the at least dynamic threats we need to field a modern NFL passing attack. It's not going to happen because there are too many teams that have more firepower than us... or are a qb away from being in a Championship window for a long time .. Watson is 28-25 overall and the 2020 Texans lost because their D was next to last in the NFL. Bill O'Brien was the worst GM in league history.
As for the Giants I did address it. His cap # in 2021 is right in line with what Williams would get paid, if not lower. So we can do everything in FA we plan on doing aside from Williams. And we'd be dumping Jones contract in this deal with actually makes the net cap # for Watson only about $6 million more than Jones in 2021. And come 2022 and 2023 we have $90 million plus i caproom, Watson's prorated signing bonus is not part of the cap # he brings with him. We will still have $60 million+ to spend next offseason to add more talent. And Round 1 of the NFL draft is not the entire NFL draft. We still have Rounds 2-7 to add other players. Lastly I pointed to the fact Watson scored 110 more points than the Giants, that is a TD per game. The WRs/TEs/RBs we have are better with Watson than they are with Jones.
Adding Matt Stafford is about being a QB away from a championship. Adding 26 year old Watson is about the future just as much as the present. 9/10 titles are won by a team that has a franchise QB.
And we are not the only team who should be trying to do whatever it takes to get Watson, anyone who does not have a franchise QB should be on the phone.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 28, 2021 12:11:54 GMT -5
as much as I would dig seeing DJ develop as a NYG and become the the franchise QB I think he can getting Watson would be pretty freaking awesome.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 28, 2021 12:12:39 GMT -5
I dont see it costing that much, at all. Texans lost a lot of leverage. While they did lose leverage, if it becomes a bidding war then the Jets have more ammo than most teams. I dont see Watson being traded for less than two firsts honestly. Maybe a first and a player, Im not sure. Houston still has to agree, which they apparently have no intentions of trading him right now. The #2 pick alone holds a lot of weight. If it's 2 later 1st rounders I agree. |
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Post by SG88 on Jan 28, 2021 12:14:10 GMT -5
Jones, # 11, and next years 1. Need to call and make the offer immediately. Who's making that call? Dave Gettleman? I would love to have Deshaun Watson, but Gettleman won't even inquire let alone make an offer. If Gettleman doesn't at least make that call, he is a damn fool. |
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Post by SG88 on Jan 28, 2021 12:17:52 GMT -5
If I'm the Giants, I am making that call. In today's game, you have to get your QB right before you get anything else right. Game managers who get applauded for simply not turning the ball over aren't going to get you far. Yeah, it is most likely that the Giants don't have enough to offer, but it would be pure idiocy to not even try.
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Post by JoeyCush on Jan 28, 2021 12:19:01 GMT -5
While they did lose leverage, if it becomes a bidding war then the Jets have more ammo than most teams. I dont see Watson being traded for less than two firsts honestly. Maybe a first and a player, Im not sure. Houston still has to agree, which they apparently have no intentions of trading him right now. The #2 pick alone holds a lot of weight. If it's 2 later 1st rounders I agree. The Jets also got 2 first round and a third round pick for Jamal Adams. QBs value compared to a Safety, QB will win. Houston's only leverage is that a lot of teams are in the market for a QB. It will become a bidding war at some point. |
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Post by SG88 on Jan 28, 2021 12:19:21 GMT -5
as much as I would dig seeing DJ develop as a NYG and become the the franchise QB I think he can getting Watson would be pretty freaking awesome. Getting a player like Watson squares away your QB position for at least the next 10 years. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 28, 2021 12:20:17 GMT -5
as much as I would dig seeing DJ develop as a NYG and become the the franchise QB I think he can getting Watson would be pretty freaking awesome. I just don't see the reality of it happening with how much firepower other teams have against ours that fans are illogically getting their hopes up (Jets have the number 2,Dolphins have the number 3...both trump 11 on their own Both these teams have 2 number 1 picks this year...that trunms us .. Jets have 2 number 1s next year so they can outbid Miami now .. We would have to give up this year's and next year's 1sts and 2nds to even think about being in the conversation .. We have no shot at this |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 28, 2021 12:21:58 GMT -5
If I'm the Giants, I am making that call. In today's game, you have to get your QB right before you get anything else right. Game managers who get applauded for simply not turning the ball over aren't going to get you far. Yeah, it is most likely that the Giants don't have enough to offer, but it would be pure idiocy to not even try. Make the call but be prepared for major sticker shock because Houston knows who has the firepower that will want him... |
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Post by SG88 on Jan 28, 2021 12:22:15 GMT -5
So curious where Watson goes. My gut is saying NYJ because they have the draft capital to trade and still not mortgage their future. They can trade 2nd and 23rd overall this year, one of their firsts next year and wind up with Watson and still have 34 overall this year, and a first round pick next year. Missing out on Trevor Lawrence may give them a reason to pull the trigger too. Every team thats really in the Watson sweepstakes should be in the Stafford as well. Two teams are about to get a lot better. I wouldn't sleep on WFT or Miami either. You're right though. The Jets are the clear betting favorite. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 28, 2021 12:22:18 GMT -5
So curious where Watson goes. My gut is saying NYJ because they have the draft capital to trade and still not mortgage their future. They can trade 2nd and 23rd overall this year, one of their firsts next year and wind up with Watson and still have 34 overall this year, and a first round pick next year. Missing out on Trevor Lawrence may give them a reason to pull the trigger too. Every team thats really in the Watson sweepstakes should be in the Stafford as well. Two teams are about to get a lot better. I don’t think Stafford and Watson are in the same talent tier not to mention the gate differential. IMO Stafford’s a bridge to your next QB; Watson is a long term solution. |
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 28, 2021 12:23:59 GMT -5
So curious where Watson goes. My gut is saying NYJ because they have the draft capital to trade and still not mortgage their future. They can trade 2nd and 23rd overall this year, one of their firsts next year and wind up with Watson and still have 34 overall this year, and a first round pick next year. Missing out on Trevor Lawrence may give them a reason to pull the trigger too. Every team thats really in the Watson sweepstakes should be in the Stafford as well. Two teams are about to get a lot better. I wouldn't sleep on WFT or Miami either. You're right though. The Jets are the clear betting favorite. How would Washington get him? You including Chase Young? There are way too low in the draft Young would have to be a starting point. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 28, 2021 12:24:08 GMT -5
So curious where Watson goes. My gut is saying NYJ because they have the draft capital to trade and still not mortgage their future. They can trade 2nd and 23rd overall this year, one of their firsts next year and wind up with Watson and still have 34 overall this year, and a first round pick next year. Missing out on Trevor Lawrence may give them a reason to pull the trigger too. Every team thats really in the Watson sweepstakes should be in the Stafford as well. Two teams are about to get a lot better. I wouldn't sleep on WFT or Miami either. You're right though. The Jets are the clear betting favorite. Miami could go toe to toe with the Jets because they are litterally a qb away from being a long term major factor in the AFC and they could probably recoup a 2nd for Tua |
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Post by SG88 on Jan 28, 2021 12:24:41 GMT -5
If I'm the Giants, I am making that call. In today's game, you have to get your QB right before you get anything else right. Game managers who get applauded for simply not turning the ball over aren't going to get you far. Yeah, it is most likely that the Giants don't have enough to offer, but it would be pure idiocy to not even try. Make the call but be prepared for major sticker shock because Houston knows who has the firepower that will want him... You know that there still some people in our fan base who think that the Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer model with a great defense is enough to win the Super Bowl. Lol |
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