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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 29, 2021 14:24:55 GMT -5
More than that They have another 1st this year as well.. Now this all depends on where the Texans grade Tua with this year's class as well I personally think Tua would be the next best qb after Lawrence...yes he looked a little lost this year as a rookie but he really didn't have much around him playmaker wise and he was just coming off an injury and no real offseason/preseason So a franchise qb on a rookie deal and 2 firsts including the 3rd overall Unfortunately for us that also means Smith goes to Houston in all likelihood as they kinda need good weapons down there as well I'll revise my comments to..."IF he's traded......." I still think it's less than 50/50 he's traded. According to Cassario he is not going to field calls for a trade But of course we have seen GMs lie worse than politicians lately about this
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 29, 2021 14:29:40 GMT -5
Either this is souring a virtually non-existent relationship between him and Deshaun or he probably had some sort of conversation with him in private.
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 29, 2021 14:42:53 GMT -5
Either this is souring a virtually non-existent relationship between him and Deshaun or he probably had some sort of conversation with him in private. Weird. Not sure what he means by that. They seem to really like a player who quit on his own team. This is more embarrassing than the Odell situation was for us. Watson liked Instagram posts linking him with the Jets...hahaha.
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 29, 2021 14:51:40 GMT -5
If he's traded, the team that gets him will be better off. There is no value that a team has that can equal a guaranteed great QB in his prime. That's why I still don't think the Texans will trade him. I live here in Houston and I think the Texans will make Watson an offer he can't refuse because no matter what anybody tells the press its ALL about money.. They just gave him an offer they will not up it. They will make him someone else's issue before they do that. I think the FO is sending a lot of smoke. I think they will push the reset button the more this plays out. The hiring of the coach with no experience certainly points in that direction.
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 29, 2021 16:13:49 GMT -5
Ultimately, I really wonder what the market will be for this kid. He's great of course. But why wouldn't he pull the same thing if he doesn't like a draft one year, or a hiring, or something else? I'm sure teams are asking themselves that. And who has the capital to trade for him? The list is very short. That's why I still think there's a good chance he stays where he is. Watson has told the press here that he is pissed because the management of the team didn't include him in discussions for the new HC, this is part of whats wrong with the NFL, players telling management how to run the team and its going on in Green Bay with Aaron Rogers telling owners how he wants things, bad days for the NFL..
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 29, 2021 16:23:08 GMT -5
Ultimately, I really wonder what the market will be for this kid. He's great of course. But why wouldn't he pull the same thing if he doesn't like a draft one year, or a hiring, or something else? I'm sure teams are asking themselves that. And who has the capital to trade for him? The list is very short. That's why I still think there's a good chance he stays where he is. Watson has told the press here that he is pissed because the management of the team didn't include him in discussions for the new HC, this is part of whats wrong with the NFL, players telling management how to run the team and its going on in Green Bay with Aaron Rogers telling owners how he wants things, bad days for the NFL.. The NFL will not be bullied into decisions based on how their players feel. The NBA allowed that, and look at them. The players run the league, and the owners can’t do a thing about it. If I’m Houston, I’m not backing down from a player that is under my control. If he wants to get traded, I will exhaust every option before I make that decision. It’s not easy either, he has a no trade clause. He won’t dare sit out, for he will lose too much money as we saw with Le'Veon Bell.
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 29, 2021 16:34:15 GMT -5
when teams start allowing the players to dictate policy then we're in trouble..
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Post by GameTime on Jan 29, 2021 16:38:57 GMT -5
If he's traded, the team that gets him will be better off. There is no value that a team has that can equal a guaranteed great QB in his prime. That's why I still don't think the Texans will trade him. I live here in Houston and I think the Texans will make Watson an offer he can't refuse because no matter what anybody tells the press its ALL about money.. money is huge of course but these guys, especially the most QBs want to win badly. They dont want to be well paid losers.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 29, 2021 16:39:47 GMT -5
when teams start allowing the players to dictate policy then we're in trouble.. I agree but that's not the point. He was told by the team that he would be included. THAT is the point. That aside, I believe Watson will be a Texan and will be fine with it.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 29, 2021 16:40:51 GMT -5
when teams start allowing the players to dictate policy then we're in trouble.. I agree but that's not the point. He was told by the team that he would be included. THAT is the point. That aside, I believe Watson will be a Texan and will be fine with it. he was included they just didnt interview anyone he suggested
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 29, 2021 16:43:26 GMT -5
when teams start allowing the players to dictate policy then we're in trouble.. Uh huh When a clique of great players decide to be a bunch of mercs and try to find a team they can all go to en mass.... The only thing that would save the NFL from this is that unlike the NFL they don't have a one player exemption to go over the cap
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 29, 2021 16:44:16 GMT -5
I agree but that's not the point. He was told by the team that he would be included. THAT is the point. That aside, I believe Watson will be a Texan and will be fine with it. he was included they just didnt interview anyone he suggested Where did you hear that?
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Post by GameTime on Jan 29, 2021 16:48:51 GMT -5
he was included they just didnt interview anyone he suggested Where did you hear that? Watson reportedly provided input on potential GM candidates, though none of them were considered or consulted, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter. Watson was also not informed that Caserio would be hired, and found out about the decision on social media.
www.si.com/nfl/2021/01/08/houston-texans-deshaun-watson-unhappy-gm-hiring-process
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 29, 2021 16:52:54 GMT -5
I know all this. But it seems you're suggesting that all they promised him was the ability to suggest who to interview. You may be right but I'm not sure that was the agreement. That said of course, he should have NO input in these decisions. But these guys see the players controlling the NBA and they want the same thing.
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 29, 2021 17:02:43 GMT -5
when teams start allowing the players to dictate policy then we're in trouble.. I agree but that's not the point. He was told by the team that he would be included. THAT is the point. That aside, I believe Watson will be a Texan and will be fine with it. apparently the team reserved the right to change its mind, and if the team did tell Watson he would be included then they are part of their own problem...
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 29, 2021 17:07:02 GMT -5
I know all this. But it seems you're suggesting that all they promised him was the ability to suggest who to interview. You may be right but I'm not sure that was the agreement. That said of course, he should have NO input in these decisions. But these guys see the players controlling the NBA and they want the same thing. in quite a few labor contracts that I have seen its says on page one that management reserves the right to make decisions on operating the business and that says nothing about emplyee input...
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Post by GameTime on Jan 29, 2021 17:07:17 GMT -5
I know all this. But it seems you're suggesting that all they promised him was the ability to suggest who to interview. You may be right but I'm not sure that was the agreement. That said of course, he should have NO input in these decisions. But these guys see the players controlling the NBA and they want the same thing. lot different of course in the NBA with such a small roster and staff. To have that control on a 53 and huge staff. Fuggedaboudit......
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 29, 2021 17:10:24 GMT -5
I agree but that's not the point. He was told by the team that he would be included. THAT is the point. That aside, I believe Watson will be a Texan and will be fine with it. apparently the team reserved the right to change its mind, and if the team did tell Watson he would be included then they are part of their own problem... Of course they are.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 29, 2021 17:10:53 GMT -5
I know all this. But it seems you're suggesting that all they promised him was the ability to suggest who to interview. You may be right but I'm not sure that was the agreement. That said of course, he should have NO input in these decisions. But these guys see the players controlling the NBA and they want the same thing. lot different of course in the NBA with such a small roster and staff. To have that control on a 53 and huge staff. Fuggedaboudit...... The players don't care.
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 29, 2021 17:15:01 GMT -5
we looked like a different team offensively after the OBJ trade and the same thing happened to the Texas after they traded Hopkins, so one key player can make a huge difference to a team....
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 29, 2021 17:38:26 GMT -5
I agree but that's not the point. He was told by the team that he would be included. THAT is the point. That aside, I believe Watson will be a Texan and will be fine with it. apparently the team reserved the right to change its mind, and if the team did tell Watson he would be included then they are part of their own problem... That was a dumb move on the owners part. This Easterby guy needs to go. I have no idea what he is doing. I don't know how he got such a powerful position with no experience. Even Bellichek was quick to dimiss his experience when asked.
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 30, 2021 10:00:36 GMT -5
when teams start allowing the players to dictate policy then we're in trouble.. I agree but that's not the point. He was told by the team that he would be included. THAT is the point. That aside, I believe Watson will be a Texan and will be fine with it. my point was that he is an employee and not part of management and shouldn't have been told something like that, the mistake started right there..
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Post by JoeyCush on Jan 31, 2021 8:29:30 GMT -5
Interesting what Carl Banks said last night in regards to trading for Watson after the Stafford trade
I think 3 firsts is fine if you have multiple 1sts, like the Jets or Dolphins but to a team with no extra capital 3 years hurts bad.
4 firsts is just crazy talk.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 31, 2021 9:38:10 GMT -5
Interesting what Carl Banks said last night in regards to trading for Watson after the Stafford trade I think 3 firsts is fine if you have multiple 1sts, like the Jets or Dolphins but to a team with no extra capital 3 years hurts bad. 4 firsts is just crazy talk. You can now add Detroit to the list. Goff could just be a placeholder
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 31, 2021 10:32:12 GMT -5
I dont see it costing that much, at all. Texans lost a lot of leverage. While they did lose leverage, if it becomes a bidding war then the Jets have more ammo than most teams. I dont see Watson being traded for less than two firsts honestly. Maybe a first and a player, Im not sure. Houston still has to agree, which they apparently have no intentions of trading him right now. Watson has said he doesn't like the direction the team is going in so why would he want to go to a dumpster fire like the Jets..
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Post by JoeyCush on Feb 1, 2021 8:49:30 GMT -5
While they did lose leverage, if it becomes a bidding war then the Jets have more ammo than most teams. I dont see Watson being traded for less than two firsts honestly. Maybe a first and a player, Im not sure. Houston still has to agree, which they apparently have no intentions of trading him right now. Watson has said he doesn't like the direction the team is going in so why would he want to go to a dumpster fire like the Jets.. I couldnt give you an answer but everywhere says NYJ is a top destination for him. Maybe he wants to be a Superstar in NY media.
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 1, 2021 16:42:41 GMT -5
So curious where Watson goes. My gut is saying NYJ because they have the draft capital to trade and still not mortgage their future. They can trade 2nd and 23rd overall this year, one of their firsts next year and wind up with Watson and still have 34 overall this year, and a first round pick next year. Missing out on Trevor Lawrence may give them a reason to pull the trigger too. Every team thats really in the Watson sweepstakes should be in the Stafford as well. Two teams are about to get a lot better. If he's traded, the team that gets him will be better off. There is no value that a team has that can equal a guaranteed great QB in his prime. That's why I still don't think the Texans will trade him. I live here in the Houston area and I know for a fact that these fans would revolt if that trade happened, the assault in Washington would be peanuts compared to what would happen if the Texans traded Watson..
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Post by GameTime on Feb 1, 2021 17:56:44 GMT -5
If he's traded, the team that gets him will be better off. There is no value that a team has that can equal a guaranteed great QB in his prime. That's why I still don't think the Texans will trade him. I live here in the Houston area and I know for a fact that these fans would revolt if that trade happened, the assault in Washington would be peanuts compared to what would happen if the Texans traded Watson.. at least a revolt for trading Watson would be a valid reason.....
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 2, 2021 10:10:40 GMT -5
I live here in the Houston area and I know for a fact that these fans would revolt if that trade happened, the assault in Washington would be peanuts compared to what would happen if the Texans traded Watson.. at least a revolt for trading Watson would be a valid reason..... better than the one we got.
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Post by nyg2 on Feb 25, 2021 16:03:16 GMT -5
Update on the Deshaun Watson saga:
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