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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 31, 2021 8:56:09 GMT -5
How much do you think the Texans will want for Watson?? Exactly this is why trading for Watson would not be wise. At least 3 firsts and probably one or 2 second rounders plus Engram or Barkely or Jones. They would have no draft picks while Huston is building a power house with who evers draft picks they fleece while Watson struggles on team with no chance to get him help, Because they traded all there draft assets for him. I'ts gonna have to be a team with a lot of draft capitol built up and plenty of cap room his contract was designed with less money on the front end the big money is up next here it is. 11 mill last year 15 mill this past year shoots up to 42 and 40 2021 and 2022 then back down in the 30's in 2023 and 2024.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 31, 2021 8:58:39 GMT -5
Lol, Detroit totally robbed the Rams. I think they can get some quality out of him for a 3 or 4 years but 2 firsts he better win a superbowl because thats a superbowl or bust move.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 31, 2021 9:02:14 GMT -5
Lol, Detroit totally robbed the Rams. You think? It's not like Goff is a terrible qb..i still think he has upside But wow If they get their QB they can trade Goff next year for some assets Meanwhile Stafford has a ton of weapons and a really good O line in LA He will have something he hasn't had in Detroit Protection and a good offensive mind and plan along with more then 1 or 2 weapons. That said he's not young they need to win now.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 31, 2021 9:11:39 GMT -5
You think? It's not like Goff is a terrible qb..i still think he has upside But wow If they get their QB they can trade Goff next year for some assets Meanwhile Stafford has a ton of weapons and a really good O line in LA He will have something he hasn't had in Detroit Protection and a good offensive mind and plan along with more then 1 or 2 weapons. That said he's not young they need to win now. I don’t think that this narrative that Stafford had bad OL’s and no weapons is accurate
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 31, 2021 9:13:30 GMT -5
Yet they've managed to always stay underneath the salary cap.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 31, 2021 9:26:48 GMT -5
This bucks everything we think we know about building a winning program that's for sure. I can't imagine this is sustainable for much longer.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 31, 2021 9:29:57 GMT -5
The biggest thing the Rams did was unload Goff's ridiculous contract. But other than that, I can't see how continuing to trade first round picks like they're 7th rounders is a good idea.
But what do I know, they've been competitive for years and they go seem to be evidence that if you get already proven talent for your first rounders, that may be better than the unknown of any new player.
Certainly bucks the norms we see.
Don't feel confident about Goff out of McVay's nest though for the Lions.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 31, 2021 9:35:48 GMT -5
This bucks everything we think we know about building a winning program that's for sure. I can't imagine this is sustainable for much longer. This is how a team ends up 2-14 for 3 straight years and almost instantly
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 31, 2021 9:37:34 GMT -5
Great trade by the Rams. Compensation is being vastly overstated by the media. It's 2022 and 2023 Round 1, Rams will very likely be upper tier playoff team both years which means those picks will be in the 25-32 range and they were able to dump Goff's contract in the deal which is a major benefit to them. Lions must like Goff, can't imagine they did not have better offers in terms of more immediate draft capital. Jets got similar for Jamal Adams as the Lions just got for Stafford.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 31, 2021 9:37:41 GMT -5
Though, Anthony Lynn as the guy in Detroit is interesting. He's had good offenses as a coordinator and head coach.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 31, 2021 9:39:47 GMT -5
This bucks everything we think we know about building a winning program that's for sure. I can't imagine this is sustainable for much longer. This is how a team ends up 2-14 for 3 straight years and almost instantly But yet...the Rams haven't. Perennial playoff contender. I would have said what you just said three years ago and the Rams proved us wrong already. That's why it's fascinating honestly, proof that there is more than one way to build a team.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 31, 2021 9:41:05 GMT -5
This is how a team ends up 2-14 for 3 straight years and almost instantly But yet...the Rams haven't. Perennial playoff contender. I would have said what you just said three years ago and the Rams proved us wrong already. That's why it's fascinating honestly, proof that there is more than one way to build a team. The 70s Redskins sustained this method under George Allen They also didn't have a cap
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 31, 2021 9:45:41 GMT -5
Let me add a very warm take to this
I actually think Goff ends up somewhere else this year or is a placeholder this year because it's like he is a throw in. While they took on some dead money by trading Stafford Goff's salary is totally clean meaning he can be moved without more of a hit.
What this means is they possibly are still in the mix for taking a qb early or even be in the Watson sweepstakes having 4 1sts the next 2 years
Let's say they get Zach Wilson. Goff stays for a year and then they can trade him for a 2nd in 2022
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Post by Nite on Jan 31, 2021 9:58:10 GMT -5
Interesting, apparently the Rams thought Goff was unteachable and got rid of him forthwith. May not be as terrible as one would think if they believe that Stafford can fit in their system and already have playmakers on offense.(and D). One could get decent players in 2 - 7 rounds if the scouting is good. Also think about the % of 1st rounders who were busts..
The story here is that if a player absolutely cannot fit your system/not teachable then you get rid of him pronto. Sounds harsh but that is the trend for winning franchises
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Post by GameTime on Jan 31, 2021 10:11:26 GMT -5
Stafford is only 31/32. They can win "now" and years to come with Stafford. Its certainly not SB or bust He’ll be 33 in a week Still not a win now situation for the Rams..... thank you for the age correction
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Post by te88 on Jan 31, 2021 10:12:03 GMT -5
Let me add a very warm take to this I actually think Goff ends up somewhere else this year or is a placeholder this year because it's like he is a throw in. While they took on some dead money by trading Stafford Goff's salary is totally clean meaning he can be moved without more of a hit. What this means is they possibly are still in the mix for taking a qb early or even be in the Watson sweepstakes having 4 1sts the next 2 years Let's say they get Zach Wilson. Goff stays for a year and then they can trade him for a 2nd in 2022 I would bet heavily on Detroit drafting a QB. Taking on Goff was a concession to get LA to throw in the second 1st rounder. Reports several teams had a 2021 1st on the table. Goff is not good and is not in their long term plans.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 31, 2021 10:14:34 GMT -5
and iin that time (2017-2020) they been to the playoffs each of those years and SB once and lost. Not bad for no 1st round picks see what they do in 2021/22/23 And they just traded the QB that got them there plus two first-rounders and a third-rounder for an overrated 33 year old whose injuries are piling up as the years go on I think Stafford will do better for the Rams than Goff has or would have for the next several years. since 2011 Stafford has missed 8 games and that was all in the 2019 season. So where are the injuries?
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 31, 2021 10:39:46 GMT -5
And they just traded the QB that got them there plus two first-rounders and a third-rounder for an overrated 33 year old whose injuries are piling up as the years go on I think Stafford will do better for the Rams than Goff has or would have for the next several years. since 2011 Stafford has missed 8 games and that was all in the 2019 season. So where are the injuries? He plays through a lot of them. Broke his back last season and played through injuries all season long this year
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 31, 2021 10:46:56 GMT -5
Let me add a very warm take to this I actually think Goff ends up somewhere else this year or is a placeholder this year because it's like he is a throw in. While they took on some dead money by trading Stafford Goff's salary is totally clean meaning he can be moved without more of a hit. What this means is they possibly are still in the mix for taking a qb early or even be in the Watson sweepstakes having 4 1sts the next 2 years Let's say they get Zach Wilson. Goff stays for a year and then they can trade him for a 2nd in 2022 I would bet heavily on Detroit drafting a QB. Taking on Goff was a concession to get LA to throw in the second 1st rounder. Reports several teams had a 2021 1st on the table. Goff is not good and is not in their long term plans. They basically did the Cleveland money-ball thing and took a draft pick for Osweiler They definitely can get at least a 2nd back for Goff after the draft so that's another asset in the future
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Post by GameTime on Jan 31, 2021 11:03:37 GMT -5
I think Stafford will do better for the Rams than Goff has or would have for the next several years. since 2011 Stafford has missed 8 games and that was all in the 2019 season. So where are the injuries? He plays through a lot of them. Broke his back last season and played through injuries all season long this year could not have been that bad then.
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Post by fifthavephil on Jan 31, 2021 11:05:44 GMT -5
Let me add a very warm take to this I actually think Goff ends up somewhere else this year or is a placeholder this year because it's like he is a throw in. While they took on some dead money by trading Stafford Goff's salary is totally clean meaning he can be moved without more of a hit. What this means is they possibly are still in the mix for taking a qb early or even be in the Watson sweepstakes having 4 1sts the next 2 years Let's say they get Zach Wilson. Goff stays for a year and then they can trade him for a 2nd in 2022 I can see Detroit, trading Goff to Washington. He is similar to Alex Smith.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 31, 2021 11:14:06 GMT -5
Let me add a very warm take to this I actually think Goff ends up somewhere else this year or is a placeholder this year because it's like he is a throw in. While they took on some dead money by trading Stafford Goff's salary is totally clean meaning he can be moved without more of a hit. What this means is they possibly are still in the mix for taking a qb early or even be in the Watson sweepstakes having 4 1sts the next 2 years Let's say they get Zach Wilson. Goff stays for a year and then they can trade him for a 2nd in 2022 I can see Detroit, trading Goff to Washington. He is similar to Alex Smith. They could even get a 1st from them as they have the 19th overall. People are acting Iike Goff is garbage,he has won playoff games before You said it perfectly,kinda Alex Smith like in he is a solid starter that can win on a complete team so I can see he would actually have nore value to a team at the back of the draft that needs a young qb on a complete team,and because no dead money his contract is very malleable to be adjusted to create more room down the line.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 31, 2021 11:14:46 GMT -5
Stafford is one of the most consistent, productive QB's of his era. He holds like 8 throwing records, he's easily worth 2-first rounders. The Rams are going to benefit alot more from this trade than the Lions will. I think that this is a vast overstatement of his abilities, but even if you are correct, his past performance has zero relevance to this trade. The Rams traded for a 33 year old QB who has gotten increasingly banged up over the last couple of years. I have no problem with a team wanting to bring in Stafford...even over-paying a bit ... but Goff, plus two first-rounders and a third-rounder? I HATE this this trade for the Rams It's actually an understatement. His accomplishments over his career are stunning. And he's got an Eli-like toughness. The Rams have a top-10 offense and defense. They'll have Stafford for the duration of this teams cycle should be NFC Superbowl favorites entering the season.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 31, 2021 11:17:02 GMT -5
I think that this is a vast overstatement of his abilities, but even if you are correct, his past performance has zero relevance to this trade. The Rams traded for a 33 year old QB who has gotten increasingly banged up over the last couple of years. I have no problem with a team wanting to bring in Stafford...even over-paying a bit ... but Goff, plus two first-rounders and a third-rounder? I HATE this this trade for the Rams It's actually an understatement. His accomplishments over his career are stunning. And he's got an Eli-like toughness. The Rams have a top-10 offense and defense. They'll have Stafford for the duration of this teams cycle should be NFC Superbowl favorites entering the season. “Stunning” ... lol. The Rams will never make the Super Bowl with Stafford at QB.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 31, 2021 11:18:47 GMT -5
He plays through a lot of them. Broke his back last season and played through injuries all season long this year could not have been that bad then. Because injuries never affect performance on the field? Sort of how Jones was unaffected by his injuries against AZ?
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 31, 2021 11:21:41 GMT -5
Also this means Detroit probably keeps Golliday as their cap situation is a bit better ir/when they move Goff again
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 31, 2021 11:28:52 GMT -5
Stafford has 0 playoff wins in 12 years. I'd want Gettleman fired if he made a trade like this.
Great long-term deal for the Lions even though Rams may see a bigger short-term benefit in 2021.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 31, 2021 11:30:18 GMT -5
Let me add a very warm take to this I actually think Goff ends up somewhere else this year or is a placeholder this year because it's like he is a throw in. While they took on some dead money by trading Stafford Goff's salary is totally clean meaning he can be moved without more of a hit. What this means is they possibly are still in the mix for taking a qb early or even be in the Watson sweepstakes having 4 1sts the next 2 years Let's say they get Zach Wilson. Goff stays for a year and then they can trade him for a 2nd in 2022 I can see Detroit, trading Goff to Washington. He is similar to Alex Smith. They can't trade Goff with his contact. That's why they got 2 first-round picks along with him.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 31, 2021 11:46:25 GMT -5
Stafford is one of the most consistent, productive QB's of his era. He holds like 8 throwing records, he's easily worth 2-first rounders. The Rams are going to benefit alot more from this trade than the Lions will. We’ll see. They’re on the clock. They’ve been also rans without him, it’s championship or bust now.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 31, 2021 11:50:25 GMT -5
The ask for 3 firsts just got much more firm. Stafford is only 31/32. They can win "now" and years to come with Stafford. Its certainly not SB or bust What else can you call it when you mortgage your future like this? They traded for Stafford to not win a championship but come close? Didn’t they just do that without him?
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