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Post by McCherry on Jan 31, 2021 11:51:06 GMT -5
Stafford is one of the most consistent, productive QB's of his era. He holds like 8 throwing records, he's easily worth 2-first rounders. The Rams are going to benefit alot more from this trade than the Lions will. We’ll see. They’re on the clock. They’ve been also rans without him, it’s championship or bust now. They'll never have a better shot with the current state of the NFC. That's why they made the move.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 31, 2021 11:55:04 GMT -5
and iin that time (2017-2020) they been to the playoffs each of those years and SB once and lost. Not bad for no 1st round picks see what they do in 2021/22/23 And they just traded the QB that got them there plus two first-rounders and a third-rounder for an overrated 33 year old whose injuries are piling up as the years go on We’ll know whether he’s overrated or not if they win a championship.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 31, 2021 11:58:28 GMT -5
This bucks everything we think we know about building a winning program that's for sure. I can't imagine this is sustainable for much longer. Yeah, how will they ever sustain not winning all these championships?
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Post by SG88 on Jan 31, 2021 12:01:04 GMT -5
Lol, Detroit totally robbed the Rams. You think? It's not like Goff is a terrible qb..i still think he has upside But wow If they get their QB they can trade Goff next year for some assets Meanwhile Stafford has a ton of weapons and a really good O line in LA You also have to add that Stafford has never even won a single playoff game. I don't like judging QBs by wins and losses in a team game, but that is how it goes. I love how all of these media heads have convinced themselves that this is a great move for the Rams. They pretty much made a lateral transition from Goff to Stafford and gave up 2 first rounders and a 3rd rounder to boot. Detroit should be in prison for robbing the Rams like that. Having no playoff wins in 12 seasons is simply terrible for a former No. 1 pick overall at QB. The Rams were desperate and gave up a haul for a QB that has struggled beating good teams. We thought that Eli Manning padded stats. Stafford is the stat padding GOAT.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 31, 2021 12:07:31 GMT -5
Apparently, the Rams had to "one up" the Skins... Washington made ‘significant offer’ for Matthew Stafford before Rams trade After starting four quarterbacks last season, the Washington Football Team made a “significant offer” for Matthew Stafford that included “more immediate help than what the Lions landed” from the Rams, according to The Athletic. Washington remains “open to potentially dealing more than just a first-rounder for a formidable quarterback, depending on if it’s the right deal,” according to NFL reporter Josina Anderson. Other veteran quarterbacks who could be on the move this season include Prescott, Wentz, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Mitchell Trubisky. The grand prize, of course, is Deshaun Watson, but that might require giving up three first-round picks to the Texans via trade. nypost.com/2021/01/31/matthew-stafford-trade-washington-made-significant-offer/I fully expect the Skins to be in on DWatson.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 31, 2021 12:13:10 GMT -5
I can see Detroit, trading Goff to Washington. He is similar to Alex Smith. They can't trade Goff with his contact. That's why they got 2 first-round picks along with him. If they can't trade Goff with his contract, how are they trading him now to Detroit?
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Post by SG88 on Jan 31, 2021 12:13:55 GMT -5
Apparently, the Rams had to "one up" the Skins... Washington made ‘significant offer’ for Matthew Stafford before Rams trade After starting four quarterbacks last season, the Washington Football Team made a “significant offer” for Matthew Stafford that included “more immediate help than what the Lions landed” from the Rams, according to The Athletic. Washington remains “open to potentially dealing more than just a first-rounder for a formidable quarterback, depending on if it’s the right deal,” according to NFL reporter Josina Anderson. Other veteran quarterbacks who could be on the move this season include Prescott, Wentz, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Mitchell Trubisky. The grand prize, of course, is Deshaun Watson, but that might require giving up three first-round picks to the Texans via trade. nypost.com/2021/01/31/matthew-stafford-trade-washington-made-significant-offer/I fully expect the Skins to be in on DWatson. I agree with that. I also wouldn't be surprised to see the WFT go after Aaron Rodgers if the reports are true about his situation in Green Bay.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 31, 2021 12:32:01 GMT -5
They can't trade Goff with his contact. That's why they got 2 first-round picks along with him.If they can't trade Goff with his contract, how are they trading him now to Detroit? See above.
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Post by jay051 on Jan 31, 2021 12:37:24 GMT -5
Lol, Detroit totally robbed the Rams. The rams are idiots. Stafford isn't an elite qb better yet worth giving that much up with a guy that has a bad back and 0 playoff wins...smh.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 31, 2021 12:39:30 GMT -5
You think? It's not like Goff is a terrible qb..i still think he has upside But wow If they get their QB they can trade Goff next year for some assets Meanwhile Stafford has a ton of weapons and a really good O line in LA You also have to add that Stafford has never even won a single playoff game. I don't like judging QBs by wins and losses in a team game, but that is how it goes. I love how all of these media heads have convinced themselves that this is a great move for the Rams. They pretty much made a lateral transition from Goff to Stafford and gave up 2 first rounders and a 3rd rounder to boot. Detroit should be in prison for robbing the Rams like that. Having no playoff wins in 12 seasons is simply terrible for a former No. 1 pick overall at QB. The Rams were desperate and gave up a haul for a QB that has struggled beating good teams. We thought that Eli Manning padded stats. Stafford is the stat padding GOAT. Here’s the question: is a 33 year-old Stafford two first-rounders and a third-rounder better than Goff? The Rams GM is like Teflon for some reason ... isn’t he the one that used all of the draft capital to trade up to draft Goff number 1 and then signed him to a huge extension in the first place?
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Post by jay051 on Jan 31, 2021 12:39:51 GMT -5
They won't get more than what the Rams just gave for Stafford. But, Detroit takes on Goff , recent humongous contract. Goff is a game manager QB, not a game changer. Plus, Stafford with the Rams , would be drafting, in twenties to 32 first round pick. Stafford wasn't a game changer either. Horrible move by the rams imo. Now with Watson??...ok but definitely not Stafford.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 31, 2021 12:41:27 GMT -5
I like a team that goes for it to put them over the top. It’s what you have to do right now in the NFL. The window of success is always closing on you, when you do have an opening you have to make the best of it.
Think of it like this. Say the Rams win a super bowl. Will any Ram fans remember giving up those draft picks? Hell no. But, it works both ways. If this doesn’t work they will be ridiculed daily for mortgaging their future for a quarterback.
And let’s face it, it’s the Detroit Lions. They never do anything right. Their track record proves that..
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 31, 2021 12:57:33 GMT -5
If they can't trade Goff with his contract, how are they trading him now to Detroit? See above. Why couldn't Washington do that?
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 31, 2021 12:58:41 GMT -5
I can see Detroit, trading Goff to Washington. He is similar to Alex Smith. They could even get a 1st from them as they have the 19th overall. People are acting Iike Goff is garbage,he has won playoff games before You said it perfectly,kinda Alex Smith like in he is a solid starter that can win on a complete team so I can see he would actually have nore value to a team at the back of the draft that needs a young qb on a complete team,and because no dead money his contract is very malleable to be adjusted to create more room down the line. Someone will trade a first for Goff? Jesus, that’s as ridiculous as what LA just paid for Stafford.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 31, 2021 13:00:39 GMT -5
Why couldn't Washington do that? Because they already tried to trade for Stafford and were outbid. It would be odd for the Lions to trade him again.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 31, 2021 13:04:45 GMT -5
I think that this is a vast overstatement of his abilities, but even if you are correct, his past performance has zero relevance to this trade. The Rams traded for a 33 year old QB who has gotten increasingly banged up over the last couple of years. I have no problem with a team wanting to bring in Stafford...even over-paying a bit ... but Goff, plus two first-rounders and a third-rounder? I HATE this this trade for the Rams It's actually an understatement. His accomplishments over his career are stunning. And he's got an Eli-like toughness. The Rams have a top-10 offense and defense. They'll have Stafford for the duration of this teams cycle should be NFC Superbowl favorites entering the season. True, he has managed to get paid staggering amounts of money to not win. The Rams top D and offense is why they’re playoff competitive, so there is no reason why they shouldn’t continue to be so. If this move wins them a championship, it’s worth it.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 31, 2021 13:10:05 GMT -5
It's actually an understatement. His accomplishments over his career are stunning. And he's got an Eli-like toughness. The Rams have a top-10 offense and defense. They'll have Stafford for the duration of this teams cycle should be NFC Superbowl favorites entering the season. True, he has managed to get paid staggering amounts of money to not win. The Rams top D and offense is why they’re playoff competitive, so there is no reason why they shouldn’t continue to be so. If this move wins them a championship, it’s worth it. The Lions haven't won a playoff game in 30 years. That's not one person's fault. Stafford's numbers through his career speaks for itself.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 31, 2021 13:11:59 GMT -5
Why couldn't Washington do that? Because they already tried to trade for Stafford and were outbid. It would be odd for the Lions to trade him again. I don't think they will trade him either. But it's also odd to say a player can't be traded because of a contract, when he WAS just traded.
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Post by jay051 on Jan 31, 2021 13:21:28 GMT -5
True, he has managed to get paid staggering amounts of money to not win. The Rams top D and offense is why they’re playoff competitive, so there is no reason why they shouldn’t continue to be so. If this move wins them a championship, it’s worth it. The Lions haven't won a playoff game in 30 years. That's not one person's fault. Stafford's numbers through his career speaks for itself. The rams better win a title with Stafford with what they gave up. Stafford isn't young anymore and has back issues. The rams traded for him like he was Rodgers or Mahomes like. Desperate times I guess.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 31, 2021 13:21:44 GMT -5
Because they already tried to trade for Stafford and were outbid. It would be odd for the Lions to trade him again. I don't think they will trade him either. But it's also odd to say a player can't be traded because of a contract, when he WAS just traded. You're right, but what I'm saying is that it's unlikely Washington would make a similar offer for Goff and his contract if they weren't willing to ante up for Stafford.
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Post by Merc on Jan 31, 2021 13:22:53 GMT -5
Detroit could offer the Texans Goff and the 2 1st rounders they got from the Rams for Deshaun Watson.
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Post by jay051 on Jan 31, 2021 13:24:31 GMT -5
Detroit could offer the Texans Goff and the 2 1st rounders they got from the Rams for Deshaun Watson. We gotta assume the Texans wanted more or refused to take calls for trade offers.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 31, 2021 13:29:45 GMT -5
I don't think they will trade him either. But it's also odd to say a player can't be traded because of a contract, when he WAS just traded. You're right, but what I'm saying is that it's unlikely Washington would make a similar offer for Goff and his contract if they weren't willing to ante up for Stafford. Probably. But maybe they didn't like Staffords age or injuries. All things considered, they could value Goff higher than Stafford.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 31, 2021 13:32:32 GMT -5
This bucks everything we think we know about building a winning program that's for sure. I can't imagine this is sustainable for much longer. Yeah, how will they ever sustain not winning all these championships? I chuckled. Sustained success in the NFL, to me, is consistently remaining competitive and being in the playoffs. Hardest professional sports to win a championship. One of the reasons the Patriots are a marvel of sports history. I'll say this. The Rams should be very very good for a few years with Stafford.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 31, 2021 13:41:06 GMT -5
If they can't trade Goff with his contract, how are they trading him now to Detroit? See above. The Rams ate all the dead money He is very tradable
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Post by GameTime on Jan 31, 2021 13:56:58 GMT -5
Stafford is only 31/32. They can win "now" and years to come with Stafford. Its certainly not SB or bust What else can you call it when you mortgage your future like this? They traded for Stafford to not win a championship but come close? Didn’t they just do that without him? I hear that but its not a one year thing like the Colts with Rivers so to speak. They have potentially many years with Stafford
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Post by McCherry on Jan 31, 2021 13:59:20 GMT -5
The Rams ate all the dead money He is very tradable They absorb his bonus of $22M. Goff has $27M and $15M in guaranteed money over the next 2 years. Someone will have to really want him badly.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 31, 2021 14:14:11 GMT -5
The Rams ate all the dead money He is very tradable They absorb his bonus of $22M. Goff has $27M and $15M in guaranteed money over the next 2 years. Someone will have to really want him badly. Can you do that? Unless that was the condition to get the extra 1st..... So basically he is a placeholder while they draft his replacement and they can trade Goff in 2022 and eat the remaining dead money...which shouldn't be that bad.. Still a great deal for Detroit
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 31, 2021 14:28:09 GMT -5
Up there as one of the craziest trades I've seen in a while. Didnt see the Rams dropping Goff so soon even though it was inevitable, even with the extension. If a 32 y/o Stafford gets the Lions 2 firsts what in the world would the Texans want for Watson? I still think NYJ have the most ammo to pull it off. Joey nothing against you, your probably correct. But if Watson was disenchanted with the workings of the Houston franchise, if he approves the trade to the Jets ( he has a no trade contract ) wait till he witnesses the amount of ineptitude that the Jet organization is capable of. What a belly laugh that would be for everyone. Leaving houston cause of mismanagement and going to the Jets as an improvement. LOL I'm tellin ya I can't stop laughing.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 31, 2021 15:10:30 GMT -5
True, he has managed to get paid staggering amounts of money to not win. The Rams top D and offense is why they’re playoff competitive, so there is no reason why they shouldn’t continue to be so. If this move wins them a championship, it’s worth it. The Lions haven't won a playoff game in 30 years. That's not one person's fault. Stafford's numbers through his career speaks for itself. Oh, I know. It's all about the QB until it isn't, depending on how we feel about the guy. That's what makes this one so delightfully straightforward. The Rams are already a consistent playoff contender. This move either puts them over the top or it doesn't and it's only a success based on one outcome. The other outcome represents no change.
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