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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 31, 2021 15:12:28 GMT -5
Yeah, how will they ever sustain not winning all these championships? I chuckled. Sustained success in the NFL, to me, is consistently remaining competitive and being in the playoffs. Hardest professional sports to win a championship. One of the reasons the Patriots are a marvel of sports history. I'll say this. The Rams should be very very good for a few years with Stafford. I hear ya, they are a good team. In fact, imo The Rams have been a very very good for a few years with Goff.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 31, 2021 15:19:53 GMT -5
Tbis is just so strange We used to see qb trades like this about 30 years ago Remember Pastorini for Stabler(which became a net nothing because the Oilers fell into oblivion after that year and Pastorini was Wally Pipped by Plunkett..
Then 2 years later Stabler for Archie Manning....
This is going to be the most volatile offseason in history I feel with how many starting qbs get flipped all over the place
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 31, 2021 16:25:12 GMT -5
He will have something he hasn't had in Detroit Protection and a good offensive mind and plan along with more then 1 or 2 weapons. That said he's not young they need to win now. I don’t think that this narrative that Stafford had bad OL’s and no weapons is accurate
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 31, 2021 16:28:44 GMT -5
The biggest thing the Rams did was unload Goff's ridiculous contract. But other than that, I can't see how continuing to trade first round picks like they're 7th rounders is a good idea. But what do I know, they've been competitive for years and they go seem to be evidence that if you get already proven talent for your first rounders, that may be better than the unknown of any new player. Certainly bucks the norms we see. Don't feel confident about Goff out of McVay's nest though for the Lions. Look at what they gave up to trade up for Goff. I am 100% certain that if the Giants did the same thing, everyone here would be absolutely supportive of these moves.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 31, 2021 16:29:05 GMT -5
He will have something he hasn't had in Detroit Protection and a good offensive mind and plan along with more then 1 or 2 weapons. That said he's not young they need to win now. I don’t think that this narrative that Stafford had bad OL’s and no weapons is accurate Don't think he ever had top 10 RB always had a legit #1 tho when they did have decent #2 and #3s they let them walk the OL has been average to below average. Guess your right there are teams a lot worse off over the years we were treated to one of them
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Post by jaymas on Jan 31, 2021 18:01:30 GMT -5
The biggest thing the Rams did was unload Goff's ridiculous contract. But other than that, I can't see how continuing to trade first round picks like they're 7th rounders is a good idea. But what do I know, they've been competitive for years and they go seem to be evidence that if you get already proven talent for your first rounders, that may be better than the unknown of any new player. Certainly bucks the norms we see. Don't feel confident about Goff out of McVay's nest though for the Lions. Look at what they gave up to trade up for Goff. I am 100% certain that if the Giants did the same thing, everyone here would be absolutely supportive of these moves. I legit forgot they traded up for Goff, man. Rams are an interesting franchise. The real loser here is the Rams fanbase, because Thursday night primetime draft night has no excitement for them!
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 31, 2021 18:34:33 GMT -5
Look at what they gave up to trade up for Goff. I am 100% certain that if the Giants did the same thing, everyone here would be absolutely supportive of these moves. I legit forgot they traded up for Goff, man. Rams are an interesting franchise. The real loser here is the Rams fanbase, because Thursday night primetime draft night has no excitement for them! Didn't the very same GM that just traded him trade 6 picks to trade up to get him? Just roll that around in your head for a minute. Now picture that GM as the GM of the NY Football Giants and envision all the threads proclaiming his genius and balls because he is bold and brave and beautiful enough to know what is needed to build a championship team and he isn't afraid to break some eggs to make an awesome omelette. It's a fantasy football GM move and it might even work out. But I doubt it.
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Post by JoeyCush on Feb 1, 2021 8:55:44 GMT -5
Up there as one of the craziest trades I've seen in a while. Didnt see the Rams dropping Goff so soon even though it was inevitable, even with the extension. If a 32 y/o Stafford gets the Lions 2 firsts what in the world would the Texans want for Watson? I still think NYJ have the most ammo to pull it off. Joey nothing against you, your probably correct. But if Watson was disenchanted with the workings of the Houston franchise, if he approves the trade to the Jets ( he has a no trade contract ) wait till he witnesses the amount of ineptitude that the Jet organization is capable of. What a belly laugh that would be for everyone. Leaving houston cause of mismanagement and going to the Jets as an improvement. LOL I'm tellin ya I can't stop laughing. I wholeheartedly agree I have no idea why the Jets would be a top team for him to be traded to. Unless he just wants to be a mega star in NY. Maybe the reports are just flat out wrong. Who knows. I will say I felt in 2011 the Texans were a QB away from being a contender. Had talent like Andre Johnson, Arian Foster, Jacoby Jones, JJ Watt, Antonio Smith, Brian Cushing, DeMeco Ryans, Johnathon Joseph and a few other guys. Crazy how 10 years later they have the QB and are about to tear it all down without even sniffing a championship. Must be a sh*tty organization.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 1, 2021 8:59:39 GMT -5
Apparently, the Rams had to "one up" the Skins... Washington made ‘significant offer’ for Matthew Stafford before Rams trade After starting four quarterbacks last season, the Washington Football Team made a “significant offer” for Matthew Stafford that included “more immediate help than what the Lions landed” from the Rams, according to The Athletic. Washington remains “open to potentially dealing more than just a first-rounder for a formidable quarterback, depending on if it’s the right deal,” according to NFL reporter Josina Anderson. Other veteran quarterbacks who could be on the move this season include Prescott, Wentz, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Mitchell Trubisky. The grand prize, of course, is Deshaun Watson, but that might require giving up three first-round picks to the Texans via trade. nypost.com/2021/01/31/matthew-stafford-trade-washington-made-significant-offer/I fully expect the Skins to be in on DWatson. I agree with that. I also wouldn't be surprised to see the WFT go after Aaron Rodgers if the reports are true about his situation in Green Bay. Reports are Rams were trying for Rodgers first, and GB wouldnt budge.
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Post by jaymas on Feb 1, 2021 9:01:17 GMT -5
Agreed on a lot of things the things said about the Texans.
One thing that made me pause was Watson feeling entitled to be consulted about the General Manager search. Absolutely bizarre to me. Head coach, that's one thing, he's an elite QB wants to help shape a relationship that's gonna define so much of the on field success. But GM? Totally unheard of and makes no sense, not to mention Watson is under-qualified to consult on that.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 1, 2021 9:01:45 GMT -5
After some time to reflect on this, I couldnt help but think about the 90s-2000s Yankees with the way the Rams are dealing the past 5 ish years. They are trading for the big names, and throwing away their picks and "prospects" and spending big money (although obviously a cap in the NFL).
Some George Steinbrenner dealings.
All in every year.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 1, 2021 9:05:25 GMT -5
Daks brother chimes in...
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 1, 2021 10:04:28 GMT -5
Agreed on a lot of things the things said about the Texans. One thing that made me pause was Watson feeling entitled to be consulted about the General Manager search. Absolutely bizarre to me. Head coach, that's one thing, he's an elite QB wants to help shape a relationship that's gonna define so much of the on field success. But GM? Totally unheard of and makes no sense, not to mention Watson is under-qualified to consult on that. I don't think he felt entitled, word is that the ownership told him they would discuss it with him (nothing in writing of course...), and reneged on that. Who knows which spin is closer to reality, quite the soap opera either way.
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Post by jaymas on Feb 1, 2021 13:59:05 GMT -5
Agreed on a lot of things the things said about the Texans. One thing that made me pause was Watson feeling entitled to be consulted about the General Manager search. Absolutely bizarre to me. Head coach, that's one thing, he's an elite QB wants to help shape a relationship that's gonna define so much of the on field success. But GM? Totally unheard of and makes no sense, not to mention Watson is under-qualified to consult on that. I don't think he felt entitled, word is that the ownership told him they would discuss it with him (nothing in writing of course...), and reneged on that. Who knows which spin is closer to reality, quite the soap opera either way. Yeah, I remember reading that. I guess I just can't see an NFL team saying to their QB "sure of course you'll have input on the next GM" because it's so...odd. Not coach, but GM, weird stuff. If the Texans did say that to him, an absolute mistake.
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Post by imgrate on Feb 2, 2021 13:02:05 GMT -5
Stafford is only 31/32. They can win "now" and years to come with Stafford. Its certainly not SB or bust What else can you call it when you mortgage your future like this? They traded for Stafford to not win a championship but come close? Didn’t they just do that without him? What if they thought their future was already mortgaged by Goff's contract?
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Post by Kruunch on Feb 2, 2021 14:39:42 GMT -5
Daks brother chimes in... Daks future is uncertain.. Let that sink in..
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 2, 2021 17:35:07 GMT -5
What else can you call it when you mortgage your future like this? They traded for Stafford to not win a championship but come close? Didn’t they just do that without him? What if they thought their future was already mortgaged by Goff's contract? So now they're kicking the can further down the road. It's likely to be high volatility without progress. You can build toward something or you can make a thousand moves to stay in the same place. The Rams do the latter. If they win a championship with Stafford, good on them, the trade made sense. If not, they win the paid the most to stay the same prize, whatever that's called.
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 2, 2021 17:36:19 GMT -5
Daks brother chimes in... Daks future is uncertain.. Let that sink in.. Yeah, that post assumes a reality that is not in evidence.
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