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Post by Bigjeep on Feb 1, 2021 8:17:48 GMT -5
Dan Orlovsky has some bullish advice for Dave Gettleman. With numerous organizations expected to throw their hats in the ring for the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes, Orlovsky says the Giants should be the team to go all-in. “If I was Dave Gettleman of the New York Giants, I would take Daniel Jones, I would take Saquon Barkley and I would take three first-round picks, and I would call Houston and not allow them to get off the phone with me,” the retired Lions quarterback turned NFL analyst said on ESPN’s “Get Up” on Friday. The disgruntled Watson has caused quite the stir of late amid fraying internal relations with the Texans. He formally requested a trade on Thursday after months of frustration with the team’s front office over the decision to trade receiver DeAndre Hopkins, former head coach Bill O’Brien’s ineptitude and his lack of input in the hiring of incoming general manager Nick Caserio and head coach David Culley. Watson, 25, was selected No. 12 overall out of Clemson by the Texans in 2017. He has completed 67.8 percent of his passes for 14,539 yards, 104 touchdowns and 36 interceptions through 54 regular season games and would be a coveted asset to many teams across the league. “As a general manager in this moment, if you ever were going to take a swing, this is the swing to take,” Orlovsky said. “As a general manager, the last thing you want to do is look back with regret that we didn’t try hard enough, that we didn’t throw in one extra first-rounder that’s the type of player and person that you’re going to get with Deshaun Watson.” The Texans exercised Watson’s fifth-year option and granted him a four-year, $177.5 million extension with a no-trade clause ahead of the 2020 NFL season which binds him to Houston until 2025. He carries a cap hit of $15.94 million in 2021 with an astronomical $67.14 million dead cap hit according to Spotrac. On Friday, the Texans expressed their unwavering interest in keeping Watson in Houston in spite of the surrounding chaos. “Organizationally, we want to reiterate our commitment to Deshaun Watson,” Caserio said. “We have zero interest in trading the player.” “He is a Houston Texan,” Culley said in his first press conference as head coach. “I want him to be a Houston Texan. The reason I’m in this position today is because I know he’s going to be a Houston Texan.” Orlovsky acknowledges that a team may have to think outside the box to pry Watson away from the Texans, especially in light of the competition from teams in the market for a new signal-caller. The Falcons, Bears, Cowboys, Lions, Saints, Eagles, 49ers, Washington, Broncos, Texans, Colts, Jaguars, Patriots, Jets and Steelers all have question marks at quarterback heading into the 2021 offseason. “What I’m watching is, who as a general manager is going to get creative? How are they going to go get one of the best players in the NFL,” Orlovsky added. “This is the time when you can make your career as a general manager.” The hypothetical scenario laid out would mean moving on from Barkley and Jones, who were the Giants’ first-round picks in back-to-back years. Those two, plus additional draft capital, would be a price many around the league don’t believe the Giants would be willing to pay. Barkley, 23, has missed 17 games since joining the team in 2018 as the No. 2 overall pick. He has 2,344 career rushing yards for 17 touchdowns, as well as 149 catches for 1,219 receiving yards and six receiving touchdowns. Jones, also 23, has completed 62.2 percent of his passes for 5,970 yards, 35 touchdowns and 22 interceptions in 27 appearances across two seasons. nypost.com/2021/01/29/dan-orlovsky-giants-should-go-all-in-on-deshaun-watson-trade/
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 1, 2021 8:22:07 GMT -5
No, no we don't. People are talking about the Texans landing 3+ first round picks for Watson. People are nuts. Watson is good but people are acting like he is Patrick Mahommes.
On another note the Lions just got a kings ransom for Stafford so judging by that I am sure Watson will demand a lot. That Lions trade had a lot to do with how much money was owed to Goff though.
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Post by Bigjeep on Feb 1, 2021 8:22:21 GMT -5
Makes sense, would make us a contender instantly! Barkley is now expendable. DO IT!
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 1, 2021 8:35:08 GMT -5
That is more than a bit rich for my blood. Jones and 2 first rounders would be my ceiling, especially with this year's being where it is. Jones, Saquon, and 3 first rounders is in Herschel Walker territory.
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Post by jay051 on Feb 1, 2021 8:45:06 GMT -5
Makes sense, would make us a contender instantly! Barkley is now expendable. DO IT! Are you really willing to give up more than what the rams did to get Stafford?? That's exactly what the giants have to do in order to get Watson. Love Watson as a player but no I'm not in favor of breaking the bank to get him.
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Post by jay051 on Feb 1, 2021 8:46:49 GMT -5
That is more than a bit rich for my blood. Jones and 2 first rounders would be my ceiling, especially with this year's being where it is. Jones, Saquon, and 3 first rounders is in Herschel Walker territory. That 3 first rounders is a bit overboard imo. Good luck to the team that's willing to give that much up and more to get him.
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Post by DJones19 on Feb 1, 2021 8:50:36 GMT -5
0% chance the Giants will pursue a QB who wants to quit his team after the embarrassment the Giants front office and Mara went through after the Odell situation.
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Post by JoeyCush on Feb 1, 2021 9:05:02 GMT -5
If the report that Houston wants 2 firsts, 2 seconds and 2 young defensive starters at the least is accurate, all we really have to offer is the picks and Dex Lawrence and McKinney (or MAYBE Peppers)
I would say no. While those two positions can be filled easier than others, this team still has big holes offensively. Plus two years of no 1st or 2d round picks would hurt this team even more.
You think Houston failed to build around Watson? Wait until he comes here and see's whats left.
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Post by Nite on Feb 1, 2021 9:26:21 GMT -5
Taking advice from guys who wear sneakers with business suits?
Ooookay
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 1, 2021 9:37:52 GMT -5
Yeah.... no.
I wouldn't go past DJ, SQB and the #11.
We are a team in a rebuild (I know, still) while the Rams are ready to win right now. Losing all the draft capital will hurt this team especially since they will most likely be top 15 picks.
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Post by DandyDon on Feb 1, 2021 9:41:46 GMT -5
Dan Orlovsky is a dumbass.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 1, 2021 9:55:55 GMT -5
Yeah.... no. I wouldn't go past DJ, SQB and the #11. We are a team in a rebuild (I know, still) while the Rams are ready to win right now. Losing all the draft capital will hurt this team especially since they will most likely be top 15 picks. Same What good is bringing him here when they still have holes and now have to make up losing good players as well with reduced draft assets and the QB taking a bunch of cap space that also would be needed to replace talent? Jets and Dolphins can make this work
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Feb 1, 2021 10:10:07 GMT -5
Giants aren't structured to give up the resources needed to get Watson. As much as I'd love for him to be here, he is one of my favorite players in the league, we just don't have the resources to do it, especially with him having such a big contract on the books already.
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Post by giantsalmon on Feb 1, 2021 10:32:10 GMT -5
The Texans didn't get a ring when Watson had Hopkins and Watt in their primes. What makes anyone think he can come to NYG with a depleted roster, depleted draft capital, don a cape and win rings? Stay the course. Team building isn't just talent it's chemistry. What no one is mentioning is Judge says DJ is his man for next season. What does he tell his team, "I was wrong", or "it wasn't MY decision"? Just say no.
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 1, 2021 10:37:26 GMT -5
I don't like the idea of giving up so much for a very good QB and putting him in here with out enough weapons to succeed, by the time we get enough good weapons Watson will already be shell shocked from taking so many hits behind our O line...
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 1, 2021 10:38:54 GMT -5
The Texans didn't get a ring when Watson had Hopkins and Watt in their primes. What makes anyone think he can come to NYG with a depleted roster, depleted draft capital, don a cape and win rings? Stay the course. Team building isn't just talent it's chemistry. What no one is mentioning is Judge says DJ is his man for next season. What does he tell his team, "I was wrong", or "it wasn't MY decision"? Just say no. you're right about this, the Texans didn't get a ring with those players but they did look a lot better than they do right now..
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Post by DandyDon on Feb 1, 2021 11:09:11 GMT -5
The Texans didn't get a ring when Watson had Hopkins and Watt in their primes. What makes anyone think he can come to NYG with a depleted roster, depleted draft capital, don a cape and win rings?Stay the course. Team building isn't just talent it's chemistry. What no one is mentioning is Judge says DJ is his man for next season. What does he tell his team, "I was wrong", or "it wasn't MY decision"? Just say no. emoji
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 1, 2021 11:57:31 GMT -5
I am a definite NO on this. This would not make us a winning team.
We have a much better chance to win the division next year by adding say 3 maybe 4 positions. This team is starting to come together, were going to give up all this top draft capital and the only 2 players that have a chance to be real good on offense ?
We would still have numerous holes and no top draft choices for 2 years to fix it.
This would be idiocy.
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 1, 2021 11:58:31 GMT -5
Good lord, absolutely not.
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Post by thetruth on Feb 1, 2021 12:08:44 GMT -5
DJ - trailer
Watson - truck
I would 100% do this trade. Its not like Dave Gettlemens first round picks leave much to be desired. Get a sure thing top 5 QB in Watson that will be here for 10+ years? all day everyday
The question is would the Giants FO consider this? the answer is NO. That would admit failure's in 2018 & 2019. We could never do that. So no point in discussing
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Post by Delicreep on Feb 1, 2021 12:29:09 GMT -5
Wouldn't open with that offer, but I would take that deal, yes.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 1, 2021 12:32:53 GMT -5
DJ - trailer Watson - truck I would 100% do this trade. Its not like Dave Gettlemens first round picks leave much to be desired. Get a sure thing top 5 QB in Watson that will be here for 10+ years? all day everyday The question is would the Giants FO consider this? the answer is NO. That would admit failure's in 2018 & 2019. We could never do that. So no point in discussing Watson is certainly an established top QB already and Jones is not. But the Texans were 4-12 so even a "truck" needs help to win. Its a total team game.
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Post by thetruth on Feb 1, 2021 12:40:10 GMT -5
DJ - trailer Watson - truck I would 100% do this trade. Its not like Dave Gettlemens first round picks leave much to be desired. Get a sure thing top 5 QB in Watson that will be here for 10+ years? all day everyday The question is would the Giants FO consider this? the answer is NO. That would admit failure's in 2018 & 2019. We could never do that. So no point in discussing Watson is certainly an established top QB already and Jones is not. But the Texans were 4-12 so even a "truck" needs help to win. Its a total team game. When your defence gives up 29 PPG its kind of hard to win games. He doesn't influence that one bit.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 1, 2021 12:43:38 GMT -5
Watson is certainly an established top QB already and Jones is not. But the Texans were 4-12 so even a "truck" needs help to win. Its a total team game. When your defence gives up 29 PPG its kind of hard to win games. He doesn't influence that one bit. like I said....its a total team game. Even a "truck" needs help. In this case defensive help.
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Post by thetruth on Feb 1, 2021 12:47:23 GMT -5
When your defence gives up 29 PPG its kind of hard to win games. He doesn't influence that one bit. like I said....its a total team game. Even a "truck" needs help. In this case defensive help. a truck for the offence, which is where he plays. He needs a lot less help than a Daniel Jones, as evidenced by this past year. This is very valuable, how many more first round picks do we need on offence to help Jones perform at an average NFL level? elite? Defensive help is needed. However, Houston averaged 24 ppg and the Giants defence gave up 22 ppg. I think we'd be okay. The Houston team talent is putrid and their OL is worse than the Giants. Watson put up top 5 stats across the board
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Post by GameTime on Feb 1, 2021 12:54:04 GMT -5
like I said....its a total team game. Even a "truck" needs help. In this case defensive help. a truck for the offence, which is where he plays. He needs a lot less help than a Daniel Jones, as evidenced by this past year. This is very valuable, how many more first round picks do we need on offence to help Jones perform at an average NFL level? elite? Defensive help is needed. However, Houston averaged 24 ppg and the Giants defence gave up 22 ppg. I think we'd be okay. The Houston team talent is putrid and their OL is worse than the Giants. cant compare the two fairly yet. At this moment in time Jones is clearly not the QB Watson is stats wise and "truck" wise. Maybe in threes years he will be that truck.
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Post by thetruth on Feb 1, 2021 12:55:30 GMT -5
Wouldn't open with that offer, but I would take that deal, yes. Yeah I agree. I think that the thing people aren't looking at his Watson is 25 years old. He has 10+ years left at a top 5 QB play. That is priceless
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Post by thetruth on Feb 1, 2021 12:57:47 GMT -5
a truck for the offence, which is where he plays. He needs a lot less help than a Daniel Jones, as evidenced by this past year. This is very valuable, how many more first round picks do we need on offence to help Jones perform at an average NFL level? elite? Defensive help is needed. However, Houston averaged 24 ppg and the Giants defence gave up 22 ppg. I think we'd be okay. The Houston team talent is putrid and their OL is worse than the Giants. cant compare the two fairly yet. At this moment in time Jones is clearly not the QB Watson is stats wise and "truck" wise. Maybe in threes years he will be that truck. He absolutely could be. However, this team looks to be treating this as a trailer situation. We've spent first round picks the past 3 years on HB, LT, QB. Not to mention a high 2nd on a guard. We're still looking to add a WR/TE etc. This screams trailer. Where im not convinced is if what if we have injuries? are we expecting not to win games? i hate that
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Post by nyg2 on Feb 1, 2021 12:59:41 GMT -5
I'd make a phone call, but based on what they're asking price is of wanting 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and 2 defensive players they're basically in Herschel Walker territory. The most I'd give up for Deshaun Watson is this:
Daniel Jones 2021 1st round pick 2022 1st round pick 2023 2nd round Pick
Also my dark horse team for Deshaun is the Jaguars. The first overall pick (Trevor Lawrence) for Deshaun Watson straight up.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 1, 2021 13:06:40 GMT -5
cant compare the two fairly yet. At this moment in time Jones is clearly not the QB Watson is stats wise and "truck" wise. Maybe in threes years he will be that truck. He absolutely could be. However, this team looks to be treating this as a trailer situation. We've spent first round picks the past 3 years on HB, LT, QB. Not to mention a high 2nd on a guard. We're still looking to add a WR/TE etc. This screams trailer. Where im not convinced is if what if we have injuries? are we expecting not to win games? i hate that Barkley drafted prior to Jones. Since Jones was drafted the NYGs drafted a LT in round 1. How does that "scream" Trailer? All QBs need weapons and some need more than others. Jones may never be a bonafide NFL franchise QB and Watson is already. I understand that fact.
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