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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 29, 2021 13:45:16 GMT -5
That's an opinion that has benefited over time but obviously wasn't the direction the team decided to go, and I don't believe anyone could say at that time with any degree of certainty what we could expect from Eli with a decent offensive line. The obvious plan was to try and win with the 2X Super Bowl winning quarterback while re-tooling this team.
Notice I said "team" because that's what I believe it was. It was a football decision made by Dave, Pat, and Chris IMO. If you want to blame Dave because he runs the front office and is ultimately in charge of the team's personnel, that's fine. But let's not pretend that this was his decision which was forced on the coaching staff and ownership.
Agreed Rosie. I'm sure DG, the owners and the coaches were all partially to blame for the poor choices in 2018. That was 3 years ago. Great. Some posters are having problems with this 3 years later? Really? Why did we draft Barkley, sign Solder and build around Eli? Why did we pass on Reggie White? Who cares? It's done. Let it go. Since then they have a new coaching staff in place, were 5-3 over the second half of last year and have targeted some of the areas of weakness in FA and will address the others in the draft. Why are many still acting like the sky is still falling? Are you familiar with broken clocks?
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Mar 29, 2021 13:49:59 GMT -5
Agreed Rosie. I'm sure DG, the owners and the coaches were all partially to blame for the poor choices in 2018. That was 3 years ago. Great. Some posters are having problems with this 3 years later? Really? Why did we draft Barkley, sign Solder and build around Eli? Why did we pass on Reggie White? Who cares? It's done. Let it go. Since then they have a new coaching staff in place, were 5-3 over the second half of last year and have targeted some of the areas of weakness in FA and will address the others in the draft. Why are many still acting like the sky is still falling? Are you familiar with broken clocks? If I could be right twice a day that would be something.
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Post by Roswell on Mar 29, 2021 13:52:35 GMT -5
Agreed Rosie. I'm sure DG, the owners and the coaches were all partially to blame for the poor choices in 2018. That was 3 years ago. Great. Some posters are having problems with this 3 years later? Really? Why did we draft Barkley, sign Solder and build around Eli? Why did we pass on Reggie White? Who cares? It's done. Let it go. Since then they have a new coaching staff in place, were 5-3 over the second half of last year and have targeted some of the areas of weakness in FA and will address the others in the draft. Why are many still acting like the sky is still falling? Are you familiar with broken clocks? They are right twice a day?
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 29, 2021 13:57:11 GMT -5
Are you familiar with broken clocks? They are right twice a day? Yes even if you need to go back years and revise history to make it so.
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Post by Roswell on Mar 29, 2021 14:03:54 GMT -5
They are right twice a day? Yes even if you need to go back years and revise history to make it so. Unfortunately it's broken records that we keep hearing...
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 29, 2021 14:10:25 GMT -5
We all understand that you do not like Dave and this is what you'd like to believe but you have nothing to go on except that belief. Your comment about keeping the new guys away from Dave is just silly as the new players have mentioned Dave and how comfortable they felt meeting everyone in the front office.
But at the end of the day, the Giants are a team that's known for NOT giving their head coach final say. That's been cited repeatedly as a reason why specific coaches may not want to come here. And I can easily support this by quoting John Mara and the different beat writers who have covered the Giants for years.
Paul Schwartz on former GM Jerry Reese:
"He has final say and bears the responsibility, he explained, but a player does not come through the doors of the Giants’ facility unless he is signed off on by coaches as well."
"The two-time Super Bowl-winning general manager returns for a 10th year in the position as chief football administrator, the man ultimately in charge of every player deemed worthy of a contract from the Giants.
John Mara clarifying personnel is ultimately on the GM:
“Jerry knows it’s on him.’’
John Mara on Gettleman after the 2019 season:
“Dave has a long record of success.“ "We think he’s capable of putting a great team together and he’s going to get that opportunity."
"He does know that the batting average has got to increase going forward,” Mara said. “We need to win more games, and Dave knows that.
“I’m not going to quantify the number of wins I need to see. But we need to be able to put a better product on the field. We should be better next year.”
Now if the coach was picking our players, why would John even talk about our GM needing to do better in that regard?
Just to use that quote...the GM can’t have his final say if the coaches don’t support the player coming through the doors of the Ginats facility. It’s chicken and egg. Final say doesn’t mean a whole lot with so many fingers in the pie. What influences “final say” is where the real power is in my view. And I think that probably changes depending on who is working for the organization at the time. The only thing I don't like is 15-33.
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Post by Roswell on Mar 29, 2021 14:21:08 GMT -5
Just to use that quote...the GM can’t have his final say if the coaches don’t support the player coming through the doors of the Ginats facility. It’s chicken and egg. Final say doesn’t mean a whole lot with so many fingers in the pie. What influences “final say” is where the real power is in my view. And I think that probably changes depending on who is working for the organization at the time. The only thing I don't like is 15-33. Focus on the 5-3. You'll live longer.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 29, 2021 14:22:56 GMT -5
The only thing I don't like is 15-33. Focus on the 5-3. You'll live longer. So I should focus on the shorter term?
How about those three straight must wins in a row where we got blown out?
Those are the games we didn't play back up and third string QB's.
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 29, 2021 14:30:51 GMT -5
Yes even if you need to go back years and revise history to make it so. Unfortunately it's broken records that we keep hearing... It doesn’t get any more broken than a 15-33 record. Even Milli Vanilli had a hit.. When you have the worst record over that span in the league, it’s very difficult to sweep it under the rug.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 29, 2021 14:36:12 GMT -5
Yes even if you need to go back years and revise history to make it so. Unfortunately it's broken records that we keep hearing... OK....explain this to me.
If the record was broken, wouldn't the needle slide off and it would play just once?
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Post by Roswell on Mar 29, 2021 14:39:17 GMT -5
Unfortunately it's broken records that we keep hearing... OK....explain this to me.
If the record was broken, wouldn't the needle slide off and it would play just once?
Better yet... On average, how many grooves does the typical LP have?
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Post by Roswell on Mar 29, 2021 14:41:13 GMT -5
Focus on the 5-3. You'll live longer. So I should focus on the shorter term?
How about those three straight must wins in a row where we got blown out?
Those are the games we didn't play back up and third string QB's.
Our QB was hurt in those games and didn't play well. It happens. They were a team that started to play well in the second half of the year.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 29, 2021 14:44:06 GMT -5
Focus on the 5-3. You'll live longer. So I should focus on the shorter term?
How about those three straight must wins in a row where we got blown out?
Those are the games we didn't play back up and third string QB's.
The second half of a rookie coaches season is the only thing that matters. Judge’s season matched our highest expectations. Suck in September and October, show progress and have meaningful December games. We did that. 5-3 is the only reason we’re not talking about who will be our next coach.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 29, 2021 15:06:15 GMT -5
OK....explain this to me.
If the record was broken, wouldn't the needle slide off and it would play just once?
Better yet... On average, how many grooves does the typical LP have? Well at 33 1/3 (about 2 seconds per rotation) and with the average album side being about 20 minutes.....I would say 600.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 29, 2021 15:07:26 GMT -5
So I should focus on the shorter term?
How about those three straight must wins in a row where we got blown out?
Those are the games we didn't play back up and third string QB's.
Our QB was hurt in those games and didn't play well. It happens. They were a team that started to play well in the second half of the year. If I wasn't a reasonable man I would suggest you are offering excuses.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 29, 2021 15:08:38 GMT -5
So I should focus on the shorter term?
How about those three straight must wins in a row where we got blown out?
Those are the games we didn't play back up and third string QB's.
The second half of a rookie coaches season is the only thing that matters. Judge’s season matched our highest expectations. Suck in September and October, show progress and have meaningful December games. We did that. 5-3 is the only reason we’re not talking about who will be our next coach. Oh...Well my bad then. I was under the impression that they count all the games in a season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 15:10:20 GMT -5
The second half of a rookie coaches season is the only thing that matters. Judge’s season matched our highest expectations. Suck in September and October, show progress and have meaningful December games. We did that. 5-3 is the only reason we’re not talking about who will be our next coach. Oh...Well my bad then. I was under the impression that they count all the games in a season. Not when they make your opinion look bad.. Only the losses count for those who think they need more help and only the wins count for those who think they are fine..
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 29, 2021 15:12:22 GMT -5
Oh...Well my bad then. I was under the impression that they count all the games in a season. Not when they make your opinion look bad.. Only the losses count for those who think they need more help and only the wins count for those who think they are fine.. Well it seems very confusing as to which games we should count. Which games does the NFL count?
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 29, 2021 15:20:24 GMT -5
Our QB was hurt in those games and didn't play well. It happens. They were a team that started to play well in the second half of the year. If I wasn't a reasonable man I would suggest you are offering excuses. Seems more like the reality than an excuse. We all saw how Jones played. He was obviously not at his best due to the leg injuries.
And I used in the plural sense because he hurt both legs last year.
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Post by Roswell on Mar 29, 2021 15:23:37 GMT -5
Better yet... On average, how many grooves does the typical LP have? Well at 33 1/3 (about 2 seconds per rotation) and with the average album side being about 20 minutes.....I would say 600. There is only 1 groove. It is continuous. But only one.
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Post by Roswell on Mar 29, 2021 15:32:20 GMT -5
Our QB was hurt in those games and didn't play well. It happens. They were a team that started to play well in the second half of the year. If I wasn't a reasonable man I would suggest you are offering excuses. Considering how bad they've been for the last 9 seasons, why would I have to make excuses for a team that finished 5-3 after starting out 1-7? I think it speaks volumes for both the coaches and the players. They didn't quit and played well over the last 8 games. This team is on the rise. No matter how many of you guys want to talk about 15-33. I'm going to focus on the improvements and the 5-3. Because what they did in 2018 and 2019 has nothing to do with what they did last year or this year. And if you don't see the improvement in the second half of last year, I can't help you. They go 5-3 and you want to talk about the 3 losses. I'm not sure what the point of that is.
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Post by snyder55 on Mar 29, 2021 15:40:46 GMT -5
apparently a lot of people on this board think highly of Joe Judge, because he's a nice guy? or because his team wins football games?. None of us knows much about Judge at this point and his win record leaves a lot to be desired. Parcells used to say that the scoreboard tells you what you need to know and so far the scoreboard doesn't say too much about Judge... At this point in Parcells career what was his record??? To compare JJ to BP is absurd . I never compared Parcells to JJ, I just made a quote to something Parcells said years ago...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 15:46:04 GMT -5
If I wasn't a reasonable man I would suggest you are offering excuses. Considering how bad they've been for the last 9 seasons, why would I have to make excuses for a team that finished 5-3 after starting out 1-7? I think it speaks volumes for both the coaches and the players. They didn't quit and played well over the last 8 games. This team is on the rise. No matter how many of you guys want to talk about 15-33. I'm going to focus on the improvements and the 5-3. Because what they did in 2018 and 2019 has nothing to do with what they did last year or this year. And if you don't see the improvement in the second half of last year, I can't help you. They go 5-3 and you want to talk about the 3 losses. I'm not sure what the point of that is.Not being competitive against those 3 good teams shouldn't be undervalued just like a few wins over bad teams shouldn't be overvalued.. It's cool and all that you are all in with your sunshine and rainbows evaluation of this team but to tell everyone else they should be like that doesn't seems realistic..
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Post by Roswell on Mar 29, 2021 16:09:03 GMT -5
Considering how bad they've been for the last 9 seasons, why would I have to make excuses for a team that finished 5-3 after starting out 1-7? I think it speaks volumes for both the coaches and the players. They didn't quit and played well over the last 8 games. This team is on the rise. No matter how many of you guys want to talk about 15-33. I'm going to focus on the improvements and the 5-3. Because what they did in 2018 and 2019 has nothing to do with what they did last year or this year. And if you don't see the improvement in the second half of last year, I can't help you. They go 5-3 and you want to talk about the 3 losses. I'm not sure what the point of that is.Not being competitive against those 3 good teams shouldn't be undervalued just like a few wins over bad teams shouldn't be overvalued.. It's cool and all that you are all in with your sunshine and rainbows evaluation of this team but to tell everyone else they should be like that doesn't seems realistic.. You guys can be as negative as you want. But if I were you, I'd check your signature.
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Post by snyder55 on Mar 29, 2021 16:10:52 GMT -5
Better yet... On average, how many grooves does the typical LP have? Well at 33 1/3 (about 2 seconds per rotation) and with the average album side being about 20 minutes.....I would say 600. you Googled that answer...
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 29, 2021 16:28:46 GMT -5
Well at 33 1/3 (about 2 seconds per rotation) and with the average album side being about 20 minutes.....I would say 600. you Googled that answer... No. I figured it out. It's actually not hard. How close am I?
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 29, 2021 16:30:48 GMT -5
If I wasn't a reasonable man I would suggest you are offering excuses. Seems more like the reality than an excuse. We all saw how Jones played. He was obviously not at his best due to the leg injuries.
And I used in the plural sense because he hurt both legs last year.
The only game we've won against a winning team since Daniel Jones has been a Giant was when Colt McCoy was our QB.
I draw no conclusions from that in general, except that the excuse of an injured Daniel Jones doesn't fly. The offense stunk with him and without him.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 29, 2021 16:31:51 GMT -5
Well at 33 1/3 (about 2 seconds per rotation) and with the average album side being about 20 minutes.....I would say 600. There is only 1 groove. It is continuous. But only one. Oh my God...How did I miss that?
Actually, we're both wrong. A typical LP has two sides.....so the answer is 2.
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 29, 2021 16:40:24 GMT -5
Not when they make your opinion look bad.. Only the losses count for those who think they need more help and only the wins count for those who think they are fine.. Well it seems very confusing as to which games we should count. Which games does the NFL count?
It's like garbage time stats. It's hard to define but you know it when you see it kinda.
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Post by Roswell on Mar 29, 2021 16:41:34 GMT -5
There is only 1 groove. It is continuous. But only one. Oh my God...How did I miss that?
Actually, we're both wrong. A typical LP has two sides.....so the answer is 2.
Yeah. But I think I was the closest without going over.
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