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Post by Delicreep on Mar 29, 2021 11:17:55 GMT -5
Okay. Two different thoughts that you are conveniently conflating. I never said DG wasn't to blame for trying to make it work with Eli. Read my original statement. But if the Giants are run they way they've always been run then the owners make the huge personnel decisions. Signing Beckham, trading Beckham, trying to build around Eli. These are decisions that require signing huge checks. These are franchise altering and franchise representing decisions. Those decisions are made from the office on the top floor in the Giants organization. Always have been. And I think John was very aware of how things with Simms ended up and his father's regrets and didn't want to replay it. Just my opinion. Then you must be misinterpreting my comments. In both scenarios, Dave has great culpability in the miscalculations of 2018. But you seem to be suggesting that he was instructed to build around Eli. My view is that he believed that building around Eli was the best course of action. He wasn't dragged kicking and screaming to follow a course he didn't believe in.
In other words, it was HIS opinion that building around Eli was the right course, regardless of what ownership believed.
I'm asking you as a Mod to ban this Morehead dude...he's getting everyone all riled up with his opinions.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 29, 2021 11:22:37 GMT -5
My opinion with DG is nothing has changed. When he first got here he knew the owners wanted to build around Eli. So he tried and failed. I can't recall a single poster having a problem with bringing in Solder and taking out Flowers. Not one. When Shurmur's staff wanted Jones and some of the familiar ex Cardinal players that Bettcher wanted, he tried to build around those guys wishes. Even brought in Williams to try and stop the bleeding on D and try to save those coaches from being fired. And still Shurmur and Bettcher failed. Does DG share in the blame? Of course. The owners? Yes. There was plenty of blame to go around. Now we have Judge. Early reviews are good considering they started out 1-7 and finished 5-3. The Giants had a great off season last year. They seem to be on the right track this year. For my money, a rebuild doesn't commence until the new QB starts taking snaps. Bottom line, they wasted a year building around Eli. So now this is year 3 of the rebuild and Year 2 with the right coach. I get the impatience. What I don't get is putting all of the blame on the GM. There's plenty of people that had a hand in the mistakes that were made at the onset. I didn't think Solder was a good signing from the start and I remember not being alone with that call. The team should've been rebuilding and not over paying for a player who never was a great player.. I don't get why people can't put the blame for this bad roster on the the person who is front and center for this organization for signing/drafting these players. The added bonus is how it upsets some that he's getting the blame..
That's an opinion that has benefited over time but obviously wasn't the direction the team decided to go, and I don't believe anyone could say at that time with any degree of certainty what we could expect from Eli with a decent offensive line. The obvious plan was to try and win with the 2X Super Bowl winning quarterback while re-tooling this team.
Notice I said "team" because that's what I believe it was. It was a football decision made by Dave, Pat, and Chris IMO. If you want to blame Dave because he runs the front office and is ultimately in charge of the team's personnel, that's fine. But let's not pretend that this was his decision which was forced on the coaching staff and ownership.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 29, 2021 11:23:10 GMT -5
Then you must be misinterpreting my comments. In both scenarios, Dave has great culpability in the miscalculations of 2018. But you seem to be suggesting that he was instructed to build around Eli. My view is that he believed that building around Eli was the best course of action. He wasn't dragged kicking and screaming to follow a course he didn't believe in.
In other words, it was HIS opinion that building around Eli was the right course, regardless of what ownership believed.
I'm asking you as a Mod to ban this Morehead dude...he's getting everyone all riled up with his opinions. You say "opinions".....I say "facts".
Oops. I think that wasn't helpful.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 11:30:59 GMT -5
I didn't think Solder was a good signing from the start and I remember not being alone with that call. The team should've been rebuilding and not over paying for a player who never was a great player.. I don't get why people can't put the blame for this bad roster on the the person who is front and center for this organization for signing/drafting these players. The added bonus is how it upsets some that he's getting the blame..
That's an opinion that has benefited over time but obviously wasn't the direction the team decided to go, and I don't believe anyone could say at that time with any degree of certainty what we could expect from Eli with a decent offensive line. The obvious plan was to try and win with the 2X Super Bowl winning quarterback while re-tooling this team.
Notice I said "team" because that's what I believe it was. It was a football decision made by Dave, Pat, and Chris IMO. If you want to blame Dave because he runs the front office and is ultimately in charge of the team's personnel, that's fine. But let's not pretend that this was his decision which was forced on the coaching staff and ownership.
This is pretty hilarious that there are threads on who to blame or not too for this shit team.. Like I said Dave is the one who's title is player personnel and if that sucks then that's who to blame. If you want to buy his book in 5 years about this and it states he had very little to say about these bad moves I curious what difference it will make?
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Post by Delicreep on Mar 29, 2021 11:33:34 GMT -5
I'm asking you as a Mod to ban this Morehead dude...he's getting everyone all riled up with his opinions. You say "opinions".....I say "facts".
Oops. I think that wasn't helpful.
So you are saying it's a fact...I am interested in this and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 29, 2021 11:40:14 GMT -5
You say "opinions".....I say "facts".
Oops. I think that wasn't helpful.
So you are saying it's a fact...I am interested in this and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Super.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 29, 2021 11:51:24 GMT -5
That's an opinion that has benefited over time but obviously wasn't the direction the team decided to go, and I don't believe anyone could say at that time with any degree of certainty what we could expect from Eli with a decent offensive line. The obvious plan was to try and win with the 2X Super Bowl winning quarterback while re-tooling this team.
Notice I said "team" because that's what I believe it was. It was a football decision made by Dave, Pat, and Chris IMO. If you want to blame Dave because he runs the front office and is ultimately in charge of the team's personnel, that's fine. But let's not pretend that this was his decision which was forced on the coaching staff and ownership.
This is pretty hilarious that there are threads on who to blame or not too for this shit team.. Like I said Dave is the one who's title is player personnel and if that sucks then that's who to blame. If you want to buy his book in 5 years about this and it states he had very little to say about these bad moves I curious what difference it will make?
You're absolutely right. The GM has final with personnel so good or bad, it's on Dave.
The point being though the HC and his coaching staff matters a lot, and we know that ownership has a voice by way of Chris Mara.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 11:53:14 GMT -5
This is pretty hilarious that there are threads on who to blame or not too for this shit team.. Like I said Dave is the one who's title is player personnel and if that sucks then that's who to blame. If you want to buy his book in 5 years about this and it states he had very little to say about these bad moves I curious what difference it will make?
You're absolutely right. The GM has final with personnel so good or bad, it's on Dave.
The point being though the HC and his coaching staff matters a lot, and we know that ownership has a voice by way of Chris Mara.
Truly hope this is correct which would help explain why last off season was a success after two bad ones..
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Post by Roswell on Mar 29, 2021 11:54:38 GMT -5
I didn't think Solder was a good signing from the start and I remember not being alone with that call. The team should've been rebuilding and not over paying for a player who never was a great player.. I don't get why people can't put the blame for this bad roster on the the person who is front and center for this organization for signing/drafting these players. The added bonus is how it upsets some that he's getting the blame..
That's an opinion that has benefited over time but obviously wasn't the direction the team decided to go, and I don't believe anyone could say at that time with any degree of certainty what we could expect from Eli with a decent offensive line. The obvious plan was to try and win with the 2X Super Bowl winning quarterback while re-tooling this team.
Notice I said "team" because that's what I believe it was. It was a football decision made by Dave, Pat, and Chris IMO. If you want to blame Dave because he runs the front office and is ultimately in charge of the team's personnel, that's fine. But let's not pretend that this was his decision which was forced on the coaching staff and ownership.
Agreed Rosie. I'm sure DG, the owners and the coaches were all partially to blame for the poor choices in 2018. That was 3 years ago. Great. Some posters are having problems with this 3 years later? Really? Why did we draft Barkley, sign Solder and build around Eli? Why did we pass on Reggie White? Who cares? It's done. Let it go. Since then they have a new coaching staff in place, were 5-3 over the second half of last year and have targeted some of the areas of weakness in FA and will address the others in the draft. Why are many still acting like the sky is still falling?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 11:58:39 GMT -5
That's an opinion that has benefited over time but obviously wasn't the direction the team decided to go, and I don't believe anyone could say at that time with any degree of certainty what we could expect from Eli with a decent offensive line. The obvious plan was to try and win with the 2X Super Bowl winning quarterback while re-tooling this team.
Notice I said "team" because that's what I believe it was. It was a football decision made by Dave, Pat, and Chris IMO. If you want to blame Dave because he runs the front office and is ultimately in charge of the team's personnel, that's fine. But let's not pretend that this was his decision which was forced on the coaching staff and ownership.
Agreed Rosie. I'm sure DG, the owners and the coaches were all partially to blame for the poor choices in 2018. That was 3 years ago. Great. Some posters are having problems with this 3 years later? Really? Why did we draft Barkley, sign Solder and build around Eli? Why did we pass on Reggie White? Who cares. It's done. Let it go.Since then they have a new coaching staff in place, were 5-3 over the second half of last year and have targeted some of the areas of weakness in FA and will address the others in the draft. Why are many still acting like the sky is still falling? You do realize that you have been bringing this up so there is that.. We are in a world where results matter and so far the Getty built team isn't accomplishing this and as your comment that "the sky is falling" who's doing that since I feel you're completely over reacting and incorrect..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 12:01:20 GMT -5
That's an opinion that has benefited over time but obviously wasn't the direction the team decided to go, and I don't believe anyone could say at that time with any degree of certainty what we could expect from Eli with a decent offensive line. The obvious plan was to try and win with the 2X Super Bowl winning quarterback while re-tooling this team.
Notice I said "team" because that's what I believe it was. It was a football decision made by Dave, Pat, and Chris IMO. If you want to blame Dave because he runs the front office and is ultimately in charge of the team's personnel, that's fine. But let's not pretend that this was his decision which was forced on the coaching staff and ownership.
Agreed Rosie. I'm sure DG, the owners and the coaches were all partially to blame for the poor choices in 2018. That was 3 years ago. Great. Some posters are having problems with this 3 years later? Really? Why did we draft Barkley, sign Solder and build around Eli? Why did we pass on Reggie White? Who cares? It's done. Let it go. Since then they have a new coaching staff in place, were 5-3 over the second half of last year and have targeted some of the areas of weakness in FA and will address the others in the draft. Why are many still acting like the sky is still falling? Because most people love to bitch and moan and want every ounce of optimism destroyed. The only cure is winning. Edit..... but even winning won't cure everything. People still bitch about Eli and he won 2 SB MVP.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 12:03:06 GMT -5
Agreed Rosie. I'm sure DG, the owners and the coaches were all partially to blame for the poor choices in 2018. That was 3 years ago. Great. Some posters are having problems with this 3 years later? Really? Why did we draft Barkley, sign Solder and build around Eli? Why did we pass on Reggie White? Who cares? It's done. Let it go. Since then they have a new coaching staff in place, were 5-3 over the second half of last year and have targeted some of the areas of weakness in FA and will address the others in the draft. Why are many still acting like the sky is still falling? Because most people love to bitch and moan and want every ounce of optimism destroyed. The only cure is winning. Cool someone else gets it..
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Post by Roswell on Mar 29, 2021 12:03:07 GMT -5
Agreed Rosie. I'm sure DG, the owners and the coaches were all partially to blame for the poor choices in 2018. That was 3 years ago. Great. Some posters are having problems with this 3 years later? Really? Why did we draft Barkley, sign Solder and build around Eli? Why did we pass on Reggie White? Who cares. It's done. Let it go.Since then they have a new coaching staff in place, were 5-3 over the second half of last year and have targeted some of the areas of weakness in FA and will address the others in the draft. Why are many still acting like the sky is still falling? You do realize that you have been bringing this up so there is that.. We are in a world where results matter and so far the Getty built team isn't accomplishing this and as your comment that "the sky is falling" who's doing that since I feel you're completely over reacting and incorrect.. I'm not sure I understand. The only stance I've taken on this thread is that there is plenty of blame to go around. It's you guys who are pulling a Jethro Tull and living in the past.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 12:04:58 GMT -5
Because most people love to bitch and moan and want every ounce of optimism destroyed. The only cure is winning. Cool someone else gets it.. Not even close.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 12:07:36 GMT -5
You do realize that you have been bringing this up so there is that.. We are in a world where results matter and so far the Getty built team isn't accomplishing this and as your comment that "the sky is falling" who's doing that since I feel you're completely over reacting and incorrect.. I'm not sure I understand. The only stance I've taken on this thread is that there is plenty of blame to go around. It's you guys who are pulling a Jethro Tull and living in the past. The past is a view of the future unless things change.. Some are claiming it has with Judge being involved and use this past good off season as the reason for their conclusion as compared to the two previous bad ones. I'm hoping they make it two in a row since all this losing sucks and time will tell but I would've gone a different route and not signed Williams or Galloday..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 12:17:06 GMT -5
Cool someone else gets it.. Not even close. LOL.. As expected..
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Post by Delicreep on Mar 29, 2021 12:24:21 GMT -5
So you are saying it's a fact...I am interested in this and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Super.
That is most certainly a porn site...thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 12:27:39 GMT -5
Ah...another lame retort. I knew you would find it difficult to understand, so I'll dumb it down for you. The "cure" that I speak of is you and the other ilk like you will disappear from this board when we start winning again. It's a win win for everyone.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 29, 2021 12:31:00 GMT -5
Then I'm glad you're not our GM. Thanks for being a douche.. GO GIANTS!! easy.... no need to resort that .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 12:32:07 GMT -5
Ah...another lame retort. I knew you would find it difficult to understand, so I'll dumb it down for you. The "cure" that I speak of is you and the other ilk like you will disappear from this board when we start winning again. It's a win win for everyone. This is awesome.. I didn't think someone could be this incorrect yet you've accomplished it!! Well done and thanks for proving your lack of worth out here.. GO GIANTS!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 12:34:17 GMT -5
Ah...another lame retort. I knew you would find it difficult to understand, so I'll dumb it down for you. The "cure" that I speak of is you and the other ilk like you will disappear from this board when we start winning again. It's a win win for everyone. This is awesome.. I didn't think someone could be this incorrect yet you've accomplished it!! Well done and thanks for proving your lack of worth out here.. GO GIANTS!! It happens all the time. But, perhaps you will stick around just to prove me wrong and the board will still be subject to your adnauseum bitching and moaning about the past. Hooray
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Post by GameTime on Mar 29, 2021 12:36:37 GMT -5
My opinion with DG is nothing has changed. When he first got here he knew the owners wanted to build around Eli. So he tried and failed. I can't recall a single poster having a problem with bringing in Solder and taking out Flowers. Not one. When Shurmur's staff wanted Jones and some of the familiar ex Cardinal players that Bettcher wanted, he tried to build around those guys' wishes. Even brought in Williams to try and stop the bleeding on D and try to save those coaches from being fired. And still Shurmur and Bettcher failed. Does DG share in the blame? Of course. The owners? Yes. There was plenty of blame to go around. Now we have Judge. Early reviews are good considering they started out 1-7 and finished 5-3. The Giants had a great off season last year. They seem to be on the right track this year. For my money, a rebuild doesn't commence until the new QB starts taking snaps. Bottom line, they wasted a year building around Eli. So now this is year 3 of the rebuild and Year 2 with the right coach. I get the impatience. What I don't get is putting all of the blame on the GM. There's plenty of people that had a hand in the mistakes that were made since the onset.stop making sense. Its not understood many times on here. ....
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Post by GameTime on Mar 29, 2021 12:44:22 GMT -5
Then you must be misinterpreting my comments. In both scenarios, Dave has great culpability in the miscalculations of 2018. But you seem to be suggesting that he was instructed to build around Eli. My view is that he believed that building around Eli was the best course of action. He wasn't dragged kicking and screaming to follow a course he didn't believe in.
In other words, it was HIS opinion that building around Eli was the right course, regardless of what ownership believed.
I'm asking you as a Mod to ban this Morehead dude...he's getting everyone all riled up with his opinions. opinions dont require facts...
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Post by GameTime on Mar 29, 2021 12:51:06 GMT -5
so I just read the last few pages of this thread.....very entertaining and some posts are filled with hyperbole. Normal for message boards.
so after all this nothing has changed one bit.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 29, 2021 12:54:25 GMT -5
It’s the same with 90% of the league. Just because Dave is in charge doesn’t mean he’s dictating orders. That’s the whole point of those stories. I never said Joe hasn’t been a good influence, I’ve said you’re bending the facts to avoid giving credit to Gettleman. I'm not saying this article proves my point. I'm saying it supports my point.
It credits Joe Judge with enticing these players to come here. Have you seen any report anywhere that demonstrates Dave's role in any of these signings? The reason to me is that they are keeping Dave as far away from these guys as possible. Let him figure out the cap and give Joe the players he wants.
Dave will not overrule Joe on a single player, unless of course there is no financial way to make it happen. But as far as football is concerned, I believe Joe is calling the shots.
We all understand that you do not like Dave and this is what you'd like to believe but you have nothing to go on except that belief. Your comment about keeping the new guys away from Dave is just silly as the new players have mentioned Dave and how comfortable they felt meeting everyone in the front office.
But at the end of the day, the Giants are a team that's known for NOT giving their head coach final say. That's been cited repeatedly as a reason why specific coaches may not want to come here. And I can easily support this by quoting John Mara and the different beat writers who have covered the Giants for years.
Paul Schwartz on former GM Jerry Reese:
"He has final say and bears the responsibility, he explained, but a player does not come through the doors of the Giants’ facility unless he is signed off on by coaches as well."
"The two-time Super Bowl-winning general manager returns for a 10th year in the position as chief football administrator, the man ultimately in charge of every player deemed worthy of a contract from the Giants.
John Mara clarifying personnel is ultimately on the GM:
“Jerry knows it’s on him.’’
John Mara on Gettleman after the 2019 season:
“Dave has a long record of success.“ "We think he’s capable of putting a great team together and he’s going to get that opportunity."
"He does know that the batting average has got to increase going forward,” Mara said. “We need to win more games, and Dave knows that.
“I’m not going to quantify the number of wins I need to see. But we need to be able to put a better product on the field. We should be better next year.”
Now if the coach was picking our players, why would John even talk about our GM needing to do better in that regard?
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 29, 2021 13:11:22 GMT -5
That's an opinion that has benefited over time but obviously wasn't the direction the team decided to go, and I don't believe anyone could say at that time with any degree of certainty what we could expect from Eli with a decent offensive line. The obvious plan was to try and win with the 2X Super Bowl winning quarterback while re-tooling this team.
Notice I said "team" because that's what I believe it was. It was a football decision made by Dave, Pat, and Chris IMO. If you want to blame Dave because he runs the front office and is ultimately in charge of the team's personnel, that's fine. But let's not pretend that this was his decision which was forced on the coaching staff and ownership.
Agreed Rosie. I'm sure DG, the owners and the coaches were all partially to blame for the poor choices in 2018. That was 3 years ago. Great. Some posters are having problems with this 3 years later? Really? Why did we draft Barkley, sign Solder and build around Eli? Why did we pass on Reggie White? Who cares? It's done. Let it go. Since then they have a new coaching staff in place, were 5-3 over the second half of last year and have targeted some of the areas of weakness in FA and will address the others in the draft. Why are many still acting like the sky is still falling?
Great question.
I remember people arguing on the old board after we won Super Bowl 42, that we were a worse team because Shockey got hurt.
You can't make it up.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 29, 2021 13:12:16 GMT -5
Not taking anything away from your analysis TEM, however to be fair most forums, youtube channels etc have more lurkers than active participants. It's always been that way.
It's no different with talk radio. Only a small fraction of the listeners actually call in.
And if we're being honest, that's a good thing.
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Post by te88 on Mar 29, 2021 13:21:06 GMT -5
I'm not saying this article proves my point. I'm saying it supports my point.
It credits Joe Judge with enticing these players to come here. Have you seen any report anywhere that demonstrates Dave's role in any of these signings? The reason to me is that they are keeping Dave as far away from these guys as possible. Let him figure out the cap and give Joe the players he wants.
Dave will not overrule Joe on a single player, unless of course there is no financial way to make it happen. But as far as football is concerned, I believe Joe is calling the shots.
We all understand that you do not like Dave and this is what you'd like to believe but you have nothing to go on except that belief. Your comment about keeping the new guys away from Dave is just silly as the new players have mentioned Dave and how comfortable they felt meeting everyone in the front office.
But at the end of the day, the Giants are a team that's known for NOT giving their head coach final say. That's been cited repeatedly as a reason why specific coaches may not want to come here. And I can easily support this by quoting John Mara and the different beat writers who have covered the Giants for years.
Paul Schwartz on former GM Jerry Reese:
"He has final say and bears the responsibility, he explained, but a player does not come through the doors of the Giants’ facility unless he is signed off on by coaches as well."
"The two-time Super Bowl-winning general manager returns for a 10th year in the position as chief football administrator, the man ultimately in charge of every player deemed worthy of a contract from the Giants.
John Mara clarifying personnel is ultimately on the GM:
“Jerry knows it’s on him.’’
John Mara on Gettleman after the 2019 season:
“Dave has a long record of success.“ "We think he’s capable of putting a great team together and he’s going to get that opportunity."
"He does know that the batting average has got to increase going forward,” Mara said. “We need to win more games, and Dave knows that.
“I’m not going to quantify the number of wins I need to see. But we need to be able to put a better product on the field. We should be better next year.”
Now if the coach was picking our players, why would John even talk about our GM needing to do better in that regard?
Just to use that quote...the GM can’t have his final say if the coaches don’t support the player coming through the doors of the Ginats facility. It’s chicken and egg. Final say doesn’t mean a whole lot with so many fingers in the pie. What influences “final say” is where the real power is in my view. And I think that probably changes depending on who is working for the organization at the time.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 29, 2021 13:28:26 GMT -5
We all understand that you do not like Dave and this is what you'd like to believe but you have nothing to go on except that belief. Your comment about keeping the new guys away from Dave is just silly as the new players have mentioned Dave and how comfortable they felt meeting everyone in the front office.
But at the end of the day, the Giants are a team that's known for NOT giving their head coach final say. That's been cited repeatedly as a reason why specific coaches may not want to come here. And I can easily support this by quoting John Mara and the different beat writers who have covered the Giants for years.
Paul Schwartz on former GM Jerry Reese:
"He has final say and bears the responsibility, he explained, but a player does not come through the doors of the Giants’ facility unless he is signed off on by coaches as well."
"The two-time Super Bowl-winning general manager returns for a 10th year in the position as chief football administrator, the man ultimately in charge of every player deemed worthy of a contract from the Giants.
John Mara clarifying personnel is ultimately on the GM:
“Jerry knows it’s on him.’’
John Mara on Gettleman after the 2019 season:
“Dave has a long record of success.“ "We think he’s capable of putting a great team together and he’s going to get that opportunity."
"He does know that the batting average has got to increase going forward,” Mara said. “We need to win more games, and Dave knows that.
“I’m not going to quantify the number of wins I need to see. But we need to be able to put a better product on the field. We should be better next year.”
Now if the coach was picking our players, why would John even talk about our GM needing to do better in that regard?
Just to use that quote...the GM can’t have his final say if the coaches don’t support the player coming through the doors of the Ginats facility. It’s chicken and egg. Final say doesn’t mean a whole lot with so many fingers in the pie. What influences “final say” is where the real power is in my view. And I think that probably changes depending on who is working for the organization at the time.
I guess it's no different than who has final say with ownership since they are 50/50 partners.
But as far as I know the GM breaks any tiebreakers.
If you watched the Giants draft room before they selected Saquon we saw Dave in from of the room telling everyone that this pick is the Giants pick and it's their job to welcome this pick as Giants. Of course I'm paraphrasing but that was the gist.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 29, 2021 13:33:06 GMT -5
Here's the quote I was referring to:
“I want to thank everyone,” said Gettleman, who lauded the group’s hard work and dedication in the weeks and months prior to the draft. “We're ready. Remember, once we draft a guy, he is our guy. Whoever it is, everybody should be excited. Remember what I told you before, if you're a true professional and you disagree with the decision, you go into your office, get on your knees and pray you are wrong. It's that simple. Again, you did a great job. I know we're right and things are going to work out.”
And here's the link to draft of Saquon:
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