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Post by vinnie on Mar 31, 2021 19:32:24 GMT -5
I want Judge to be successful here, as he goes so goes the team, but I think he gets a lot of credit and praise for having accomplished nothing so far and I'm waiting for that to change.... This is odd. I agree with you but you also defend Gettleman and give him credit and praise, what has he done?
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 1, 2021 7:40:20 GMT -5
I want Judge to be successful here, as he goes so goes the team, but I think he gets a lot of credit and praise for having accomplished nothing so far and I'm waiting for that to change.... This is odd. I agree with you but you also defend Gettleman and give him credit and praise, what has he done? I see Gettleman trying very hard to get the team what it needs, sometimes he does good and and sometimes he doesn't , he always takes a beating when things don't go right but he keeps on swinging, as for Judge I still haven't seen anything from him, I hope he is the real deal but I'm still waiting to see it...
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 1, 2021 7:45:04 GMT -5
This is odd. I agree with you but you also defend Gettleman and give him credit and praise, what has he done? I see Gettleman trying very hard to get the team what it needs, sometimes he does good and and sometimes he doesn't , he always takes a beating when things don't go right but he keeps on swinging, as for Judge I still haven't seen anything from him, I hope he is the real deal but I'm still waiting to see it... and at least he realizes his mistakes and is willing to move on from them.
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Post by straightrazorman on Apr 1, 2021 7:46:36 GMT -5
This is odd. I agree with you but you also defend Gettleman and give him credit and praise, what has he done? I see Gettleman trying very hard to get the team what it needs, sometimes he does good and and sometimes he doesn't , he always takes a beating when things don't go right but he keeps on swinging, as for Judge I still haven't seen anything from him, I hope he is the real deal but I'm still waiting to see it...Well, if he's not the real deal, he's got an awful lot of people snookered.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 1, 2021 7:48:25 GMT -5
This is odd. I agree with you but you also defend Gettleman and give him credit and praise, what has he done? I see Gettleman trying very hard to get the team what it needs, sometimes he does good and and sometimes he doesn't , he always takes a beating when things don't go right but he keeps on swinging, as for Judge I still haven't seen anything from him, I hope he is the real deal but I'm still waiting to see it... of course for a first year HC and first time HC it more about intangibles than wins. If you "havent seen anything" from Judge then you are just going by wins. Judge has brought a ton already. Of course now it has to manifest into wins, division wins and playoffs.
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 1, 2021 7:50:28 GMT -5
I see Gettleman trying very hard to get the team what it needs, sometimes he does good and and sometimes he doesn't , he always takes a beating when things don't go right but he keeps on swinging, as for Judge I still haven't seen anything from him, I hope he is the real deal but I'm still waiting to see it...Well, if he's not the real deal, he's got an awful lot of people snookered. snookered? based on what, what has Judge accomplished so far. I want Judge to be successful here but I'm still waiting to see it, so far all he gets is praise for accomplishing nothing..
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 1, 2021 7:52:56 GMT -5
I see Gettleman trying very hard to get the team what it needs, sometimes he does good and and sometimes he doesn't , he always takes a beating when things don't go right but he keeps on swinging, as for Judge I still haven't seen anything from him, I hope he is the real deal but I'm still waiting to see it... of course for a first year HC and first time HC it more about intangibles than wins. If you "havent seen anything" from Judge then you are just going by wins. Judge has brought a ton already. Of course now it has to manifest into wins, division wins and playoffs. what has he brought? so far all I can see is his association with Belichik..
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Post by GameTime on Apr 1, 2021 7:55:35 GMT -5
of course for a first year HC and first time HC it more about intangibles than wins. If you "havent seen anything" from Judge then you are just going by wins. Judge has brought a ton already. Of course now it has to manifest into wins, division wins and playoffs. what has he brought? so far all I can see is his association with Belichik.. if you cant see it then I cant explain it. Its plain as day. Like I said....last year was nit just about wins for Judge. If you are using just wins then yeah you make sense. If you see it from a broader view then its obvious what he has brought and trying to do here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 7:56:43 GMT -5
Well, if he's not the real deal, he's got an awful lot of people snookered. snookered? based on what, what has Judge accomplished so far. I want Judge to be successful here but I'm still waiting to see it, so far all he gets is praise for accomplishing nothing.. I'm with you that all this is fluff until the wins start accumulating.. I do like him and feel he's been instrumental with the past two off seasons which are making the team look very promising..
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 1, 2021 7:57:47 GMT -5
what has he brought? so far all I can see is his association with Belichik.. if you cant see it then I cant explain it. Its plain as day. Like I said....last year was nit just about wins for Judge. If you are using just wins then yeah you make sense. If you see it from a broader view then its obvious what he has brought and trying to do here. actually I think Gettleman had more to do with any improvement with the team than Judge did..
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 1, 2021 7:59:34 GMT -5
snookered? based on what, what has Judge accomplished so far. I want Judge to be successful here but I'm still waiting to see it, so far all he gets is praise for accomplishing nothing.. I'm with you that all this is fluff until the wins start accumulating.. I do like him and feel he's been instrumental with the past two off seasons which are making the team look very promising.. I think the team looks better since Judge got here but I also think DG had as much or more to do with that than Judge has...
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Post by GameTime on Apr 1, 2021 8:02:53 GMT -5
if you cant see it then I cant explain it. Its plain as day. Like I said....last year was nit just about wins for Judge. If you are using just wins then yeah you make sense. If you see it from a broader view then its obvious what he has brought and trying to do here. actually I think Gettleman had more to do with any improvement with the team than Judge did.. I see it as a team effort. I am not one to say all that is bad is Gettleman and all that is good is Judge. I have a similar view of DG as you do.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 8:07:16 GMT -5
I'm with you that all this is fluff until the wins start accumulating.. I do like him and feel he's been instrumental with the past two off seasons which are making the team look very promising.. I think the team looks better since Judge got here but I also think DG had as much or more to do with that than Judge has... I don't I think Getty is the reason at all since we've seen his mess before Judge got here..
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 1, 2021 8:07:43 GMT -5
actually I think Gettleman had more to do with any improvement with the team than Judge did.. I see it as a team effort. I am not one to say all that is bad is Gettleman and all that is good is Judge. I have a similar view of DG as you do. I'm just trying to be fair with my opinions, I really do want Judge to be very successful but for me the jury is still out..I guess I'm a hard sell..
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Post by GameTime on Apr 1, 2021 8:10:11 GMT -5
I see it as a team effort. I am not one to say all that is bad is Gettleman and all that is good is Judge. I have a similar view of DG as you do. I'm just trying to be fair with my opinions, I really do want Judge to be very successful but for me the jury is still out..I guess I'm a hard sell.. The jury is totally still out. Anyone not agreeing with that is nuts. Saying the jury is still out vs "he hasnt done anything yet" is not the same thing at all though. I have praised Judge but in no way do I think his success will be automatic.
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Post by vinnie on Apr 1, 2021 9:50:15 GMT -5
I see Gettleman trying very hard to get the team what it needs, sometimes he does good and and sometimes he doesn't , he always takes a beating when things don't go right but he keeps on swinging, as for Judge I still haven't seen anything from him, I hope he is the real deal but I'm still waiting to see it... and at least he realizes his mistakes and is willing to move on from them. Lol, c’mon, now we’re giving credit for massive blunders because he recognized them? I wish most bosses were that forgiving. “Sorry boss, I know I’ve made mistake after mistake over the past 3-4 years and run this company into the ground but I’ve done a few good things here and there.” Boss: “Sounds good to me, I don’t care about results as long as you keep trying.” That’s a recipe for failure but the same people making excuses for Gettleman are probably also the same people who support him by saying we made progress because we won one more game than the year before in the worst division in the league. So what happens if the O line sucks again this year, 4 years after he made it his number one priority, and DJ has another bad to mediocre season? Are DG’s fans going to say “well it was only their second year playing together and Lemieux only gave up the 5th most pressures in the league so he’s making progress.”
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 1, 2021 10:41:34 GMT -5
and at least he realizes his mistakes and is willing to move on from them. Lol, c’mon, now we’re giving credit for massive blunders because he recognized them? I wish most bosses were that forgiving. “Sorry boss, I know I’ve made mistake after mistake over the past 3-4 years and run this company into the ground but I’ve done a few good things here and there.” Boss: “Sounds good to me, I don’t care about results as long as you keep trying.” That’s a recipe for failure but the same people making excuses for Gettleman are probably also the same people who support him by saying we made progress because we won one more game than the year before in the worst division in the league. So what happens if the O line sucks again this year, 4 years after he made it his number one priority, and DJ has another bad to mediocre season? Are DG’s fans going to say “well it was only their second year playing together and Lemieux only gave up the 5th most pressures in the league so he’s making progress.” The jury is certainly out on Joe Judge. Most of us have confidence in him and are very optimistic. But it's true that he hasn't really done anything yet.
The jury is IN on Dave Gettleman and the verdict is GUILTY. But for some reason Johm Mara has given him two stays of execution.
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 1, 2021 11:33:06 GMT -5
and at least he realizes his mistakes and is willing to move on from them. Lol, c’mon, now we’re giving credit for massive blunders because he recognized them? I wish most bosses were that forgiving. “Sorry boss, I know I’ve made mistake after mistake over the past 3-4 years and run this company into the ground but I’ve done a few good things here and there.” Boss: “Sounds good to me, I don’t care about results as long as you keep trying.” That’s a recipe for failure but the same people making excuses for Gettleman are probably also the same people who support him by saying we made progress because we won one more game than the year before in the worst division in the league. So what happens if the O line sucks again this year, 4 years after he made it his number one priority, and DJ has another bad to mediocre season? Are DG’s fans going to say “well it was only their second year playing together and Lemieux only gave up the 5th most pressures in the league so he’s making progress.” it goes along really well with his participation trophies
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Post by yoho on Apr 1, 2021 12:36:39 GMT -5
of course for a first year HC and first time HC it more about intangibles than wins. If you "havent seen anything" from Judge then you are just going by wins. Judge has brought a ton already. Of course now it has to manifest into wins, division wins and playoffs. what has he brought? so far all I can see is his association with Belichik.. He has his team fighting to the end regardless of record. And he has players that want to come here even though we have a losing record because they believe in his vision and system. And he believes you win with fundamentals and team football, and he treats and holds everyone accountable equally. That’s what he has brung to this team so far, and I personally believe it will translate into wins.
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Post by vinnie on Apr 1, 2021 14:11:48 GMT -5
what has he brought? so far all I can see is his association with Belichik.. He has his team fighting to the end regardless of record. And he has players that want to come here even though we have a losing record because they believe in his vision and system. And he believes you win with fundamentals and team football, and he treats and holds everyone accountable equally. That’s what he has brung to this team so far, and I personally believe it will translate into wins. I’mm not sold on Judge because I think every player, GM, coach, etc needs a few years to full evaluate but I like what I see so far and I think Judge has had more to do with getting these FA’s due to his coaching style than our GM does who is getting credit. If this were like every other year, DG would probably be looking back at who he drafted in Carolina to see if any of them would come out of retirement to play for him. If they are still playing, he would give them more money to come off of whatever practice squad they are on to come start for the Giants and claim they have “high character”.
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 1, 2021 15:23:50 GMT -5
this board used to pretty evenly split about Gettleman but now it looks about 70/30 against...
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 1, 2021 16:11:57 GMT -5
this board used to pretty evenly split about Gettleman but now it looks about 70/30 against... Do you think that our continuing to lose might have something to do with that?
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Post by jimmieray on Apr 1, 2021 17:04:00 GMT -5
this board used to pretty evenly split about Gettleman but now it looks about 70/30 against... Seems to me quite a few who had been bashing him or just lukewarm gave him some good props over this last FA period, and how we are setup for the draft. There will always be some segment that just wants the team to fail under his watch, so they can be right. I don't even consider myself a die hard fan, but that's pretty sad.
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 1, 2021 18:36:37 GMT -5
this board used to pretty evenly split about Gettleman but now it looks about 70/30 against... Do you think that our continuing to lose might have something to do with that? I gotta admit, one huge side benefit of seeing the Giants start winning is how the media will be so quick to credit Gettelman for it. That would be fun if it ever happened.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Apr 1, 2021 18:41:38 GMT -5
I'm gonna have to photoshop Joe Judge onto Montana's body. The 3 Joe's of NY.
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 1, 2021 18:53:59 GMT -5
this board used to pretty evenly split about Gettleman but now it looks about 70/30 against... Really? Did you do polls back then, and compare them to now? Or did you just pull that number out of your ass? I'm interested on how you came to the conclusion that "70/30 are against DG now?" My bet is it's almost the opposite.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 1, 2021 19:17:37 GMT -5
this board used to pretty evenly split about Gettleman but now it looks about 70/30 against... Really? Did you do polls back then, and compare them to now? Or did you just pull that number out of your ass? I'm interested on how you came to the conclusion that "70/30 are against DG now?" My bet is it's almost the opposite.Probably the same place you came up with 70% for Gettleman. The man has been a disaster here, and you think a little under 3/4 of the fan base is for him? That’s insane..
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 1, 2021 19:52:52 GMT -5
Really? Did you do polls back then, and compare them to now? Or did you just pull that number out of your ass? I'm interested on how you came to the conclusion that "70/30 are against DG now?" My bet is it's almost the opposite.Probably the same place you came up with 70% for Gettleman. The man has been a disaster here, and you think a little under 3/4 of the fan base is for him? That’s insane.. Right now? Yeah I bet 70% like him. Except for the 2% who are buying into the MS story that JJ is calling the shots. Remember the majority of fans that booed Tiki? I bet you don't have a clue aside from your grouchy posts what most Giants fans think. Just MO...
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Post by McCherry on Apr 1, 2021 20:14:53 GMT -5
Probably the same place you came up with 70% for Gettleman. The man has been a disaster here, and you think a little under 3/4 of the fan base is for him? That’s insane.. Right now? Yeah I bet 70% like him. Except for the 2% who are buying into the MS story that JJ is calling the shots. Remember the majority of fans that booed Tiki? I bet you don't have a clue aside from your grouchy posts what most Giants fans think. Just MO... We're coming off the best free agency period in franchise history. Probably the best back to back free agency periods. If some people are still angry because we signed Patrick Omemah and drafted Saquan Barkley 4 years ago, they are clearly not well.
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Post by moecoastie on Apr 1, 2021 20:53:41 GMT -5
Right now? Yeah I bet 70% like him. Except for the 2% who are buying into the MS story that JJ is calling the shots. Remember the majority of fans that booed Tiki? I bet you don't have a clue aside from your grouchy posts what most Giants fans think. Just MO... We're coming off the best free agency period in franchise history. Probably the best back to back free agency periods. If some people are still angry because we signed Patrick Omemah and drafted Saquan Barkley 4 years ago, they are clearly not well. Wasn't gonna reply but I'm still laughing so felt it needed to be recognized
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