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Post by TCHOF on Apr 1, 2021 20:58:13 GMT -5
Right now? Yeah I bet 70% like him. Except for the 2% who are buying into the MS story that JJ is calling the shots. Remember the majority of fans that booed Tiki? I bet you don't have a clue aside from your grouchy posts what most Giants fans think. Just MO... We're coming off the best free agency period in franchise history. Probably the best back to back free agency periods. If some people are still angry because we signed Patrick Omemah and drafted Saquan Barkley 4 years ago, they are clearly not well. A lot of fans care about winning games, not about “winning” the offseason
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Post by McCherry on Apr 1, 2021 21:03:31 GMT -5
We're coming off the best free agency period in franchise history. Probably the best back to back free agency periods. If some people are still angry because we signed Patrick Omemah and drafted Saquan Barkley 4 years ago, they are clearly not well. A lot of fans care about winning games, not about “winning” the offseason As soon as our coach starts coaching like one instead of just sounding like one maybe we will.. Can’t blame it on lack of talent anymore.
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 1, 2021 21:03:59 GMT -5
Here's a nod to MS' claim.
Here's Dave telling us a scouts view of players who get injured. Golladay, Jackson, and Rudolph all are coming off injuries. Are we to believe these are Gettleman picks?
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 2, 2021 8:34:51 GMT -5
this board used to pretty evenly split about Gettleman but now it looks about 70/30 against... Really? Did you do polls back then, and compare them to now? Or did you just pull that number out of your ass? I'm interested on how you came to the conclusion that "70/30 are against DG now?" My bet is it's almost the opposite. zzzzzzzz !
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 2, 2021 8:36:51 GMT -5
this board used to pretty evenly split about Gettleman but now it looks about 70/30 against... Seems to me quite a few who had been bashing him or just lukewarm gave him some good props over this last FA period, and how we are setup for the draft. There will always be some segment that just wants the team to fail under his watch, so they can be right. I don't even consider myself a die hard fan, but that's pretty sad. I think Dave tries as hard as any GM can ...
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 2, 2021 8:37:05 GMT -5
Probably the same place you came up with 70% for Gettleman. The man has been a disaster here, and you think a little under 3/4 of the fan base is for him? That’s insane.. Right now? Yeah I bet 70% like him. Except for the 2% who are buying into the MS story that JJ is calling the shots. Remember the majority of fans that booed Tiki? I bet you don't have a clue aside from your grouchy posts what most Giants fans think. Just MO... I agree with you. Giants fans have become so used to losing they no longer hold the team accountable.
You are absolutely right...15-33 is unfortunately becoming acceptable to Giants fans.
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 2, 2021 8:41:15 GMT -5
this board used to pretty evenly split about Gettleman but now it looks about 70/30 against... Do you think that our continuing to lose might have something to do with that? personally I like Dave and think he's doing a decent job and your feelings about him are well documented, and in answer to your question, yes I do think the losing has a lot to do with those feelings, but all of that could change with a winning season and all would be forgiven for Dave...
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 2, 2021 8:48:43 GMT -5
Do you think that our continuing to lose might have something to do with that? personally I like Dave and think he's doing a decent job and your feelings about him are well documented, and in answer to your question, yes I do think the losing has a lot to do with those feelings, but all of that could change with a winning season and all would be forgiven for Dave... We better win this year. We just spent $200MM in free agency.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 2, 2021 8:50:34 GMT -5
personally I like Dave and think he's doing a decent job and your feelings about him are well documented, and in answer to your question, yes I do think the losing has a lot to do with those feelings, but all of that could change with a winning season and all would be forgiven for Dave... We better win this year. We just spent $200MM in free agency.
lol … I recall you objecting strenuously to a similar description of our FA spending after TC was fired.
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Post by giantsalmon on Apr 2, 2021 8:53:15 GMT -5
Do you think that our continuing to lose might have something to do with that? personally I like Dave and think he's doing a decent job and your feelings about him are well documented, and in answer to your question, yes I do think the losing has a lot to do with those feelings, but all of that could change with a winning season and all would be forgiven for Dave... I do see both sides of the equation. I'm sure Dave wants to go out a winner. I'm sure he did good things in the past with NYG, Buffalo, and Carolina that lead to winning, but he has certainly made poor moves and glaring non moves. It is one of the toughest jobs in Pro sports--especially in the cap era. All the scenarios when Dave won there was a chemistry from the top down--and this included blending cagey vets with the youth. Lets hope he has found some chemistry with Judge.
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Post by giantsalmon on Apr 2, 2021 8:54:18 GMT -5
personally I like Dave and think he's doing a decent job and your feelings about him are well documented, and in answer to your question, yes I do think the losing has a lot to do with those feelings, but all of that could change with a winning season and all would be forgiven for Dave... We better win this year. We just spent $200MM in free agency.
I feel very strongly anything less than winning the division is a failure.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 2, 2021 9:25:48 GMT -5
We better win this year. We just spent $200MM in free agency.
lol … I recall you objecting strenuously to a similar description of our FA spending after TC was fired. Not sure if you omitted the word "don"t".
Not sure what you're saying either way.
That aside....I'm not objecting at all to these signings at all. They were necessary given the holes on our team. But with these signings now comes a very high expectation of winning. Unless a lot of these guys get hurt, I expect at least 11 wins.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 2, 2021 10:08:05 GMT -5
Right now? Yeah I bet 70% like him. Except for the 2% who are buying into the MS story that JJ is calling the shots. Remember the majority of fans that booed Tiki? I bet you don't have a clue aside from your grouchy posts what most Giants fans think. Just MO... I agree with you. Giants fans have become so used to losing they no longer hold the team accountable.
You are absolutely right...15-33 is unfortunately becoming acceptable to Giants fans.
thats BS.....its not acceptable at all. What should the fans do? Storm the FO like a bunch mindless dolts?
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 2, 2021 10:20:37 GMT -5
I agree with you. Giants fans have become so used to losing they no longer hold the team accountable.
You are absolutely right...15-33 is unfortunately becoming acceptable to Giants fans.
thats BS.....its not acceptable at all. What should the fans do? Storm the FO like a bunch mindless dolts? Well the question was about the popular opinion of Dave among Giants fans. When you're 15-33 as a GM and the GM is still popular among fans, it seems a reasonable conclusion that losing is acceptable.
Now I believe the truth is a bit different of course, because it would be unreasonable to believe that 15-33 is really acceptable among most fans. But given the views of some fans here and their belief in Dave Gettleman, it would seem it is acceptable among some folks here.
So what is the truth? Does Dave have the support of 70% of the fans as has been suggested? That would seem unreasonable since we have had one of, if not THE worst records in the NFL during his tenure.
So...explain it to me. And I don't want to hear that "these things take time", They do take "some" time of course, but three years of double digit losses is unacceptable in my view.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 2, 2021 10:25:36 GMT -5
Fans dont like losing whether they like DG or not. Whether they like the coach or not. Whether they like ownership or not. The rest is fluff
also why does it matter if a fan supports DG? Doesnt change anything since we all want our team to win
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Post by McCherry on Apr 2, 2021 10:26:51 GMT -5
I agree with you. Giants fans have become so used to losing they no longer hold the team accountable.
You are absolutely right...15-33 is unfortunately becoming acceptable to Giants fans.
thats BS.....its not acceptable at all. What should the fans do? Storm the FO like a bunch mindless dolts? Fans are so obsessed with the teams past record. Who cares what the Giants did 4 years ago? It's meaningless. This Giants team is 5-3, that's the only proper relevant measure of where we are right now. It’s as if losing has caused mental damage. The Giants haven't had losing streaks before? Was anyone else around in the 70's or 90's? And I'm relatively young for this forum.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 2, 2021 10:34:36 GMT -5
thats BS.....its not acceptable at all. What should the fans do? Storm the FO like a bunch mindless dolts? Fans are so obsessed with the teams past record. Who cares what the Giants did 4 years ago? It's meaningless. This Giants team is 5-3, that's the only proper relevant measure of where we are right now. It’s as if losing has caused mental damage. The Giants haven't had losing streaks before? Was anyone else around in the 70's or 90's? And I'm relatively young for this forum. well going back a bit, especially with a similar coach, players and FO certainly matters. Also wont take a half a season as their record. That makes no sense at all They are 6-10 5-3 sounds nice but its not the complete picture. If you want to use 5-3 then you are saying Jones plays better injured and we needed a McCoy to get a win
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Post by JoeyCush on Apr 2, 2021 10:40:47 GMT -5
I think we can all agree that this is in fact, my team.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 2, 2021 10:48:26 GMT -5
Probably the same place you came up with 70% for Gettleman. The man has been a disaster here, and you think a little under 3/4 of the fan base is for him? That’s insane.. Right now? Yeah I bet 70% like him. Except for the 2% who are buying into the MS story that JJ is calling the shots. Remember the majority of fans that booed Tiki? I bet you don't have a clue aside from your grouchy posts what most Giants fans think. Just MO... No next year, yeah right now. After he spent a ton of money in free agency. Hell, makes you forget for a split second the track record he has with us. Unfortunately, participation trophies and accolades aren’t given out in April. If they did, I’m sure Dave would have it mounted right next to his culture awards. Also, how can you call out a member for pulling numbers out of his ass, but yet you’re doing the same thing? Is his ass uninformed and yours is knowledgeable? At the end of the day, you nor I have an exact number of what fans think of Gettleman. But, what we do know is he has a lot of work to do before we start patting him on the back for spending money. The very same thing Reese got crucified for, Gettleman gets applauded for. That’s the definition of hypocritical.. Yeah, I remember when Tiki got booed. It was singlehandedly the dumbest thing besides throwing snowballs at the Chargers and referees this fan base has ever done. An NFL player is a self absorbed jerk, who knew? Last, none of my posts are “grouchy” I state an opinion, like you do. And I have my frustrations and questions towards how the Giants run their team. I know, years of losing brings the best out of a fan base..
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Post by McCherry on Apr 2, 2021 10:49:32 GMT -5
Fans are so obsessed with the teams past record. Who cares what the Giants did 4 years ago? It's meaningless. This Giants team is 5-3, that's the only proper relevant measure of where we are right now. It’s as if losing has caused mental damage. The Giants haven't had losing streaks before? Was anyone else around in the 70's or 90's? And I'm relatively young for this forum. well going back a bit, especially with a similar coach, players and FO certainly matters. Also wont take a half a season as their record. That makes no sense at all They are 6-10 5-3 sounds nice but its not the complete picture. If you want to use 5-3 then you are saying Jones plays better injured and we needed a McCoy to get a win When you consider a new coach, the covid affected offseason, second year QB, and rebuilding with a new lineup... it’s absolutely the complete picture. How the OL played in week 10 has no resemblance to how they did in week 1 or 2 where you had rookies in their first live action with a head coach in his first games ever. You knew they would struggle. Daniel Jones clearly improved in the second half of the season. The run game, the defense, no comparison to how they looked early in the season when they didn't even understand their assignments yet. Judging the team on how they looked in September makes as little sense as judging them from 2018.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 2, 2021 10:51:47 GMT -5
well going back a bit, especially with a similar coach, players and FO certainly matters. Also wont take a half a season as their record. That makes no sense at all They are 6-10 5-3 sounds nice but its not the complete picture. If you want to use 5-3 then you are saying Jones plays better injured and we needed a McCoy to get a win When you consider a new coach, the covid affected offseason, second year QB, and rebuilding with a new lineup... it’s absolutely the complete picture. How the OL played in week 10 has no resemblance to how they did in week 1 or 2 where you had rookies in their first live action with a head coach in his first games ever. You knew they would struggle. Daniel Jones clearly improved in the second half of the season. The run game, the defense, no comparison to how they looked early in the season when they didn't even understand their assignments yet. Judging the team on how they looked in September makes as little sense as judging them from 2018. the whole season counts and there are reasons they struggled. I am not denying that. Drafted QBs get 3 years and thats just the way it is. Jones has 17 games to prove he is worth it moving forward.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 2, 2021 11:02:41 GMT -5
When you consider a new coach, the covid affected offseason, second year QB, and rebuilding with a new lineup... it’s absolutely the complete picture. How the OL played in week 10 has no resemblance to how they did in week 1 or 2 where you had rookies in their first live action with a head coach in his first games ever. You knew they would struggle. Daniel Jones clearly improved in the second half of the season. The run game, the defense, no comparison to how they looked early in the season when they didn't even understand their assignments yet. Judging the team on how they looked in September makes as little sense as judging them from 2018. the whole season counts and there are reasons they struggled. I am not denying that. Drafted QBs get 3 years and thats just the way it is. Jones has 17 games to prove he is worth it moving forward. How you play in the second half is what matters for every team. Do you think the Bucs care how they played in the first 8 weeks? Do we judge Eli by the first 8 weeks of 2007 or as the Superbowl MVP? I agree about Jones, but that's another mistake fans make by looking at his entire season. He made 5 turnovers over the last 7 games. If he continues to play like he did in that stretch he's already proving it.
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 2, 2021 11:13:00 GMT -5
We better win this year. We just spent $200MM in free agency.
lol … I recall you objecting strenuously to a similar description of our FA spending after TC was fired. Except back then it was not referred to as a quarter of a billion dollars, or even 250 million. It was some fakakta calculation based on guaranteed money. For some reason we don’t look at it that way anymore.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 2, 2021 11:14:20 GMT -5
thats BS.....its not acceptable at all. What should the fans do? Storm the FO like a bunch mindless dolts? Fans are so obsessed with the teams past record. Who cares what the Giants did 4 years ago? It's meaningless. This Giants team is 5-3, that's the only proper relevant measure of where we are right now. It’s as if losing has caused mental damage. The Giants haven't had losing streaks before? Was anyone else around in the 70's or 90's? And I'm relatively young for this forum. lol ... are you Gettleman's son?
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 2, 2021 11:21:08 GMT -5
the whole season counts and there are reasons they struggled. I am not denying that. Drafted QBs get 3 years and thats just the way it is. Jones has 17 games to prove he is worth it moving forward. How you play in the second half is what matters for every team. Do you think the Bucs care how they played in the first 8 weeks? Do we judge Eli by the first 8 weeks of 2007 or as the Superbowl MVP? I agree about Jones, but that's another mistake fans make by looking at his entire season. He made 5 turnovers over the last 7 games. If he continues to play like he did in that stretch he's already proving it. So, in your line of thinking the first half of the season doesn’t matter. Just how you finish. That’s brilliant, the Giants must of thought the same thing. They dug themselves into a hole starting off 0-5 and had to depend on Washington at the end of the year. Using the Bucs as an analogy was unique, the team that just won the super bowl and had a roster that took down the vaunted Chiefs. That team knew when to turn it on, we don’t even know how to win yet. So, every game matters. Not sure why Eli is constantly brought up. Why not bring up Dave Brown? or Kent Graham? I know why, it won’t fit your narrative. When, Jones actually wins more than he losses or controls that fumbling issue will this comparisons work. Five turnovers in seven games is horrible.. Is this is your argument for Jones improving? I would leave the turnovers out if I was you. You’re making a good case how he’s not doing well.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 2, 2021 11:59:39 GMT -5
How you play in the second half is what matters for every team. Do you think the Bucs care how they played in the first 8 weeks? Do we judge Eli by the first 8 weeks of 2007 or as the Superbowl MVP? I agree about Jones, but that's another mistake fans make by looking at his entire season. He made 5 turnovers over the last 7 games. If he continues to play like he did in that stretch he's already proving it. So, in your line of thinking the first half of the season doesn’t matter. Just how you finish. That’s brilliant, the Giants must of thought the same thing. They dug themselves into a hole starting off 0-5 and had to depend on Washington at the end of the year. Using the Bucs as an analogy was unique, the team that just won the super bowl and had a roster that took down the vaunted Chiefs. That team knew when to turn it on, we don’t even know how to win yet. So, every game matters. Not sure why Eli is constantly brought up. Why not bring up Dave Brown? or Kent Graham? I know why, it won’t fit your narrative. When, Jones actually wins more than he losses or controls that fumbling issue will this comparisons work. Five turnovers in seven games is horrible.. Is this is your argument for Jones improving? I would leave the turnovers out if I was you. You’re making a good case how he’s not doing well. I'll try this in really basic terms.. Judge and the team obviously improved in the second half (5-3) as opposed to the first half (1-7), would anyone argue that? Or was this coincidence. Developing a rookie coach is like judging a rookie player. Of course they're going to struggle at the beginning. You look for a rookie coach to improve as the players learn the system. Any successful coach followed that path in their first season, it’s basic football 101.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 2, 2021 12:01:29 GMT -5
Right now? Yeah I bet 70% like him. Except for the 2% who are buying into the MS story that JJ is calling the shots. Remember the majority of fans that booed Tiki? I bet you don't have a clue aside from your grouchy posts what most Giants fans think. Just MO... I agree with you. Giants fans have become so used to losing they no longer hold the team accountable.
You are absolutely right...15-33 is unfortunately becoming acceptable to Giants fans.
This is a flawed argument. No one is content with being 15-33 or 6-10 or anything close to that. There are reasonable and realistic fans that recognize that a team that starts out the first half of a season with no OTAs, a new coaching staff and playbook and without a true preseason resulting in a record of 1-7 and then pulls together and goes 5-3 in the second half is a team that is finally starting to show improvement.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 2, 2021 12:28:16 GMT -5
the whole season counts and there are reasons they struggled. I am not denying that. Drafted QBs get 3 years and thats just the way it is. Jones has 17 games to prove he is worth it moving forward. How you play in the second half is what matters for every team. Do you think the Bucs care how they played in the first 8 weeks? Do we judge Eli by the first 8 weeks of 2007 or as the Superbowl MVP? I agree about Jones, but that's another mistake fans make by looking at his entire season. He made 5 turnovers over the last 7 games. If he continues to play like he did in that stretch he's already proving it. 6-10 is a whole's seasons schedule. So yes it matters. I like that the latter part may have been better but tehy are still 6-10. You making an issue if this is silly but if it makes you feel better the Giants are 5-3 ...hip hip hooray!! BTW...the Bucs gave a damn about every single game they played. If they didnt they would not be holding the Lombardi so that point you made is rather...well.......pointless
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Post by McCherry on Apr 2, 2021 12:38:58 GMT -5
How you play in the second half is what matters for every team. Do you think the Bucs care how they played in the first 8 weeks? Do we judge Eli by the first 8 weeks of 2007 or as the Superbowl MVP? I agree about Jones, but that's another mistake fans make by looking at his entire season. He made 5 turnovers over the last 7 games. If he continues to play like he did in that stretch he's already proving it. 6-10 is a whole's seasons schedule. So yes it matters. I like that the latter part may have been better but tehy are still 6-10. You making an issue if this is silly but if it makes you feel better the Giants are 5-3 ...hip hip hooray!! There is no issue to make. I'm saying the team most accurately represents the way they played in the second half schedule. You want to judge the team based on last September, when the offensive line had no actual playing experience, or when the offense/defense didn't know their responsibilities and Jones didn't even know the playbook, fine, but it's not relevant.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 2, 2021 12:43:38 GMT -5
6-10 is a whole's seasons schedule. So yes it matters. I like that the latter part may have been better but tehy are still 6-10. You making an issue if this is silly but if it makes you feel better the Giants are 5-3 ...hip hip hooray!! There is no issue to make. I'm saying the team most accurately represents the way they played in the second half schedule. You want to judge the team based on last September, when the offensive line had no actual playing experience, or when the offense/defense didn't know their responsibilities and Jones didn't even know the playbook, fine, but it's not relevant. I am judging the team on a full season. The reason the team didnt perform well was not because the lack of knowledge of the play book. They didnt perform well because they didnt physically and mentally play well. You friends with Jones? Did he admit to you he didnt know the okay book? He would laugh in your face if you accused him of that. I have high hopes for the upcoming season like I do every year. I dont make excuses I dont "cherry pick" either.
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