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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 28, 2021 17:34:29 GMT -5
lol, hardly; lighten up Francis, it was a joke. No poster here is prohibited from airing their opinions as long as they remain civil to their fellow posters. I think I was light. I could have come back numerous ways. This is the way I see it. You can all sit back and let the mod make this place look like as I the say nincompoop show I find it funny because of the post you commented on. It is up to you 4 mods on how giants fans perceive the validity of the content of the site. There is a big difference between posting an opinion and posting facts that are false. I IMO: At some point the intelligent will get board with it and move to a site where the content will be more inline with reality. I think the primary difference here is that it appears you actually read his posts and care what he has to say.
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Post by TEM on Mar 28, 2021 17:49:05 GMT -5
I think I was light. I could have come back numerous ways. This is the way I see it. You can all sit back and let the mod make this place look like as I the say nincompoop show I find it funny because of the post you commented on. It is up to you 4 mods on how giants fans perceive the validity of the content of the site. There is a big difference between posting an opinion and posting facts that are false. I IMO: At some point the intelligent will get board with it and move to a site where the content will be more inline with reality. I think the primary difference here is that it appears you actually read his posts and care what he has to say. What does that say about me,
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 28, 2021 18:01:24 GMT -5
I think the primary difference here is that it appears you actually read his posts and care what he has to say. What does that say about me, I really don't understand your entire point here regarding the mods. What do you want us to do or not do?
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 28, 2021 18:12:21 GMT -5
I think Judge has a huge influence on players that want to come here. I think he, like any HC, has influence in who DG targets. I don't think Judge is the defacto GM like Bill Belichick is. People that believe that have not paid attention to the New York Giants. Of course Judge has influence though. People like a leader like him. People don't choose to go to Alabama because it's an awesome state, they know Nick Saban will get them to the highest level. I believe the entire organization is trying to give JJ what he wants. I also believe everyone has bought into his value of "culture.". It's why they spent 3 days meeting with goloday. But to suggest that a first (now second) year HC like JJ has total control of both personnel and coaching is silly. And it's odd that some of the same peeps who think he has total control also ridicule the idea of culture. Culture is what JJ is all about. I like JJ a lot so far. And if he starts having consistent success I'm sure his influence will increase. But one year and 6 wins doesn't change an organizations structure.
This makes too much sense.
So why do I have the feeling MS is smiling nice and wide over this discussion?
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Post by TEM on Mar 28, 2021 18:15:42 GMT -5
What does that say about me, I really don't understand your entire point here regarding the mods. What do you want us to do or not do? How about not doubling down on stupid. . For starts. Because people are not as dumb as you think they are . If I am on the outside looking in. I would see the threads you start in particular as moronic .And you are one of the individuals running the site. What does that say about the validity of the content? The other 3 stand by and allow it. You want to ignore facts and push an agenda. Go right ahead. I find your transformation into a clown halrious . You asked. I did not pull any punches in my response.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 28, 2021 18:23:18 GMT -5
At the end of the day your company may have the best manager in the state, but if the head of HR doesn't like your resume you will never be offered an interview Think about it. Rosie a few weeks encouraged the lurkers to join the site. Who wants to join this nincompoop show? It is comical in a bazar way. The manager of the site wants new members and one of his mods posts the same ridiculously themed thread over and over and over again. It is really funny.
Allow me to clarify what you believe to be "encouraging lurkers."
We have a very modest presence on FB and Twitter and yet we are constantly getting "likes" even though there is very little promotion done for this site. With that said, we continuously get incomplete requests to join the board. The "encouragement" you've seen is simply a reminder to those who want to join to follow the registration instructions.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 28, 2021 18:34:33 GMT -5
lol, hardly; lighten up Francis, it was a joke. No poster here is prohibited from airing their opinions as long as they remain civil to their fellow posters. I think I was light. I could have come back numerous ways. This is the way I see it. You can all sit back and let the mod make this place look like as I the say nincompoop show I find it funny because of the post you commented on. It is up to you 4 mods on how giants fans perceive the validity of the content of the site. There is a big difference between posting an opinion and posting facts that are false. I IMO: At some point the intelligent will get board with it and move to a site where the content will be more inline with reality. guess thats not you......lol
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Post by GameTime on Mar 28, 2021 18:42:55 GMT -5
“We made some miscalculations, to put it mildly, back in 2018, and to a certain extent we’re still paying the price for some of those errors,” Mara said. “But our personnel decisions improved a bit in 2019, and then significantly last year. I think the combination of Joe and Dave works. They don’t agree 100 percent of the time, but what’s impressed me so far is that neither one is engaged in any kind of power struggle. When it comes to a decision, it’s a Giants decision at the end of the day, not a Dave Gettleman or Joe Judge decision.”
nypost.com/2021/03/28/john-mara-says-daniel-jones-can-win-super-bowl-with-giants/
end thread and STFU....
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Post by TEM on Mar 28, 2021 18:43:25 GMT -5
Think about it. Rosie a few weeks encouraged the lurkers to join the site. Who wants to join this nincompoop show? It is comical in a bazar way. The manager of the site wants new members and one of his mods posts the same ridiculously themed thread over and over and over again. It is really funny.
Allow me to clarify what you believe to be "encouraging lurkers."
We have a very modest presence on FB and Twitter and yet we are constantly getting "likes" even though there is very little promotion done for this site. With that said, we continuously get incomplete requests to join the board. The "encouragement" you've seen is simply a reminder to those who want to join to follow the registration instructions.
We have guests (no log in) and more often than not guests out number log ins. IMO: You want to them to see the joke this site is becoming .Keep allowing it to continue. Like I said I think it is funny. If I was a lurker like I was on the old site for years. I would think twice about joining the site because of the content that is being told as fact. We all know it is not. Yet the thread is allowed to keep the BS going, I get the feeling it is taboo to call him on his BS. This site is becoming no different than a flat earth site . l stay because I have a few friends here. Not because the site is anything special. The fact we dropped a few notches as far content compared to the other sites. This used to be the best Giants board on the web. I cannot say that anymore.
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Post by TEM on Mar 28, 2021 18:44:08 GMT -5
I think I was light. I could have come back numerous ways. This is the way I see it. You can all sit back and let the mod make this place look like as I the say nincompoop show I find it funny because of the post you commented on. It is up to you 4 mods on how giants fans perceive the validity of the content of the site. There is a big difference between posting an opinion and posting facts that are false. I IMO: At some point the intelligent will get board with it and move to a site where the content will be more inline with reality. guess thats not you......lol I concure.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 28, 2021 18:47:08 GMT -5
guess thats not you......lol I concure. funny
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 28, 2021 19:40:49 GMT -5
Allow me to clarify what you believe to be "encouraging lurkers."
We have a very modest presence on FB and Twitter and yet we are constantly getting "likes" even though there is very little promotion done for this site. With that said, we continuously get incomplete requests to join the board. The "encouragement" you've seen is simply a reminder to those who want to join to follow the registration instructions.
We have guests (no log in) and more often than not guests out number log ins. IMO: You want to them to see the joke this site is becoming .Keep allowing it to continue. Like I said I think it is funny. If I was a lurker like I was on the old site for years. I would think twice about joining the site because of the content that is being told as fact. We all know it is not. Yet the thread is allowed to keep the BS going, I get the felling it is taboo to call him on his BS. This site is becoming no different than a flat earth site . l stay because I have a few friends here. Not because the site is anything special. The fact we dropped a few notches as far content compared to the other sites. This used to be the best Giants board on the web. I cannot say that anymore.
I don't control the content of this site anymore than you or anyone else that contributes to it. And just to be clear, this is not a paid gig for any of us. I'm thankful to the guys who offered to help out and take it upon themselves to try and make this place a better experience than the old board. Message boards are notoriously difficult, so I appreciate all these guys do.
With that said, moderation is a completely separate matter from our football opinions. None of us profess to know more than any of you, except for Morehead of course ;-) and you've seen the rest of us react to him in that regard.
Despite your displeasure TEM, the interest on TGB has never been greater during an off season. Maybe you shouldn't take MS so seriously?
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Post by GameTime on Mar 28, 2021 19:51:04 GMT -5
Allow me to clarify what you believe to be "encouraging lurkers."
We have a very modest presence on FB and Twitter and yet we are constantly getting "likes" even though there is very little promotion done for this site. With that said, we continuously get incomplete requests to join the board. The "encouragement" you've seen is simply a reminder to those who want to join to follow the registration instructions.
We have guests (no log in) and more often than not guests out number log ins. IMO: You want to them to see the joke this site is becoming .Keep allowing it to continue. Like I said I think it is funny. If I was a lurker like I was on the old site for years. I would think twice about joining the site because of the content that is being told as fact. We all know it is not. Yet the thread is allowed to keep the BS going, I get the feeling it is taboo to call him on his BS. This site is becoming no different than a flat earth site . l stay because I have a few friends here. Not because the site is anything special. The fact we dropped a few notches as far content compared to the other sites. This used to be the best Giants board on the web. I cannot say that anymore. perceptions are subjective. Flat earth...lol
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 28, 2021 20:29:47 GMT -5
I really don't understand your entire point here regarding the mods. What do you want us to do or not do? How about not doubling down on stupid. . For starts. Because people are not as dumb as you think they are . If I am on the outside looking in. I would see the threads you start in particular as moronic .And you are one of the individuals running the site. What does that say about the validity of the content? The other 3 stand by and allow it. You want to ignore facts and push an agenda. Go right ahead. I find your transformation into a clown halrious . You asked. I did not pull any punches in my response. I don't run anything. All I do is try to keep it civil in whatever way I can.
Secondly, many folks agree with me that Joe is the most powerful person in this organization. Just because you may disagree with something, doesn't make it "moronic".
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 28, 2021 20:38:42 GMT -5
How about not doubling down on stupid. . For starts. Because people are not as dumb as you think they are . If I am on the outside looking in. I would see the threads you start in particular as moronic .And you are one of the individuals running the site. What does that say about the validity of the content? The other 3 stand by and allow it. You want to ignore facts and push an agenda. Go right ahead. I find your transformation into a clown halrious . You asked. I did not pull any punches in my response. I don't run anything. All I do is try to keep it civil in whatever way I can.
Secondly, many folks agree with me that Joe is the most powerful person in this organization. Just because you may disagree with something, doesn't make it "moronic".
Joe Judge is our de facto back-up QB right now until he plays that is.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 28, 2021 20:41:59 GMT -5
I don't run anything. All I do is try to keep it civil in whatever way I can.
Secondly, many folks agree with me that Joe is the most powerful person in this organization. Just because you may disagree with something, doesn't make it "moronic".
Joe Judge is our de facto back-up QB right now until he plays that is.
I hope you're wrong.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 28, 2021 20:45:11 GMT -5
How about not doubling down on stupid. . For starts. Because people are not as dumb as you think they are . If I am on the outside looking in. I would see the threads you start in particular as moronic .And you are one of the individuals running the site. What does that say about the validity of the content? The other 3 stand by and allow it. You want to ignore facts and push an agenda. Go right ahead. I find your transformation into a clown halrious . You asked. I did not pull any punches in my response. I don't run anything. All I do is try to keep it civil in whatever way I can.
Secondly, many folks agree with me that Joe is the most powerful person in this organization. Just because you may disagree with something, doesn't make it "moronic".
There’s some credibility... “Cause some fans on a message board agree with me”
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Post by GameTime on Mar 28, 2021 20:50:53 GMT -5
opinions dont necessarily have to be backed up by facts.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 28, 2021 20:54:09 GMT -5
I don't run anything. All I do is try to keep it civil in whatever way I can.
Secondly, many folks agree with me that Joe is the most powerful person in this organization. Just because you may disagree with something, doesn't make it "moronic".
There’s some credibility... “Cause some fans on a message board agree with me” I wouldn't say that. But this poster is not just disagreeing...he's calling it moronic. He is suggesting that if a poster believes this (in my case my judgement comes from 54 years as a Giants fan...and have seen just about every stage of this franchise), they should not even be allowed to express it. I don't only suggest it, I laid out the reasons why I believe it.
Anyone is free to agree or disagree of course, but I wouldn't suggests it's moronic to disagree with me.....and then suggest they shouldn't even be allowed to post it.
That is a bridge too far.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 28, 2021 21:09:40 GMT -5
Joe Judge is our de facto back-up QB right now until he plays that is.
I hope you're wrong.
Do I detect a crack in the armor?
After all this team is now valued at over 4 billion dollars.
Sorry but I have a tough time believing John Mara would hand off his family's franchise to a 38 year old first time head coach.
Not only that, but his family is not even majority owner.
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Post by te88 on Mar 28, 2021 21:28:21 GMT -5
Do I detect a crack in the armor?
After all this team is now valued at over 4 billion dollars.
Sorry but I have a tough time believing John Mara would hand off his family's franchise to a 38 year old first time head coach.
Not only that, but his family is not even majority owner.
Of course he doesn’t hand it off. But if you’re reading between the lines It’s pretty obvious now that Judge is the strongest voice in the org. Mara alluded to / stated directly two main things in that recent article 1. They miscalculated in 2018 and are still paying the price 2. Judges influence has improved the player acquisition in both FA and the draft.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 28, 2021 21:34:43 GMT -5
Do I detect a crack in the armor?
After all this team is now valued at over 4 billion dollars.
Sorry but I have a tough time believing John Mara would hand off his family's franchise to a 38 year old first time head coach.
Not only that, but his family is not even majority owner.
It's not handing off the franchise. It's allowing Joe Judge to run the football operation.
I'm sorry Rosie, but Dave isn't overruling Joe on any player. And I don;'t want to hear about them "working together". Of course they work together. But ultimately, I strongly believe that Joe is getting the players he wants without exception.
Dave had his shot and failed. He's had to sweat out two straight off seasons of possibly being fired. You know that's true. You don't come out of that with the same power you had going in. Pat didn't have the strength of personality, but Joe does. Dave ran this show completely for two years. That time is over. There can only be one decision maker. That has to be Joe at this point.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 28, 2021 21:37:54 GMT -5
Do I detect a crack in the armor?
After all this team is now valued at over 4 billion dollars.
Sorry but I have a tough time believing John Mara would hand off his family's franchise to a 38 year old first time head coach.
Not only that, but his family is not even majority owner.
Of course he doesn’t hand it off. But if you’re reading between the lines It’s pretty obvious now that Judge is the strongest voice in the org. Mara alluded to / stated directly two main things in that recent article 1. They miscalculated in 2018 and are still paying the price 2. Judges influence has improved the player acquisition in both FA and the draft. Mara didn’t say that at all. He said pretty clearly they work together and aren’t engaged in any power struggles.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 28, 2021 21:38:23 GMT -5
Do I detect a crack in the armor?
After all this team is now valued at over 4 billion dollars.
Sorry but I have a tough time believing John Mara would hand off his family's franchise to a 38 year old first time head coach.
Not only that, but his family is not even majority owner.
Of course he doesn’t hand it off. But if you’re reading between the lines It’s pretty obvious now that Judge is the strongest voice in the org. Mara alluded to / stated directly two main things in that recent article 1. They miscalculated in 2018 and are still paying the price 2. Judges influence has improved the player acquisition in both FA and the draft.
I agree that the HC has the strongest voice on behalf of the players within the organization. Nothing has changed in that regard besides the person Mara hired last.
Any improvement of player acquisition with Joe should be compared against other HC's and not the GM.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 28, 2021 21:40:48 GMT -5
Of course he doesn’t hand it off. But if you’re reading between the lines It’s pretty obvious now that Judge is the strongest voice in the org. Mara alluded to / stated directly two main things in that recent article 1. They miscalculated in 2018 and are still paying the price 2. Judges influence has improved the player acquisition in both FA and the draft. Mara didn’t say that at all. He said pretty clearly they work together and aren’t engaged in any power struggles. You are confusing "working together" with shared power. I hope to God everyone in the organization is working together.You can't share power is nay organization. As far as football operations is concerned, only one person has the final say on football decisions.
You seem to be suggesting that since they "work together" Dave must be in charge. Why is that. Isn't just as possible that Joe has the final say?
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 28, 2021 21:43:51 GMT -5
Do I detect a crack in the armor?
After all this team is now valued at over 4 billion dollars.
Sorry but I have a tough time believing John Mara would hand off his family's franchise to a 38 year old first time head coach.
Not only that, but his family is not even majority owner.
It's not handing off the franchise. It's allowing Joe Judge to run the football operation.
I'm sorry Rosie, but Dave isn't overruling Joe on any player. And I don;'t want to hear about them "working together". Of course they work together. But ultimately, I strongly believe that Joe is getting the players he wants without exception.
Dave had his shot and failed. He's had to sweat out two straight off seasons of possibly being fired. You know that's true. You don't come out of that with the same power you had going in. Pat didn't have the strength of personality, but Joe does. Dave ran this show completely for two years. That time is over. There can only be one decision maker. That has to be Joe at this point.
Sorry but allowing Joe to be the "decision maker" is in fact "handing off the franchise," and there is no way in hell John Mara would ever do that. John won't even allow his GM to hire the head coach.
But nice try.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 28, 2021 21:47:16 GMT -5
It's not handing off the franchise. It's allowing Joe Judge to run the football operation.
I'm sorry Rosie, but Dave isn't overruling Joe on any player. And I don;'t want to hear about them "working together". Of course they work together. But ultimately, I strongly believe that Joe is getting the players he wants without exception.
Dave had his shot and failed. He's had to sweat out two straight off seasons of possibly being fired. You know that's true. You don't come out of that with the same power you had going in. Pat didn't have the strength of personality, but Joe does. Dave ran this show completely for two years. That time is over. There can only be one decision maker. That has to be Joe at this point.
Sorry but allowing Joe to be the "decision maker" is in fact "handing off the franchise," and there is no way in hell John Mara would ever do that. John won't even allow his GM to hire the head coach.
But nice try.
Ever watch "North Dallas Forty"?. ............ "We're not the team.......THEY'RE the team!"
90% of what goes on with the New York Giants is financial, organizational, non football personnel and the daily running of any company..... and not directly related to football. Joe Judge has nothing to do with that. He's in charge of football.
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Post by te88 on Mar 28, 2021 21:49:02 GMT -5
Of course he doesn’t hand it off. But if you’re reading between the lines It’s pretty obvious now that Judge is the strongest voice in the org. Mara alluded to / stated directly two main things in that recent article 1. They miscalculated in 2018 and are still paying the price 2. Judges influence has improved the player acquisition in both FA and the draft. Mara didn’t say that at all. He said pretty clearly they work together and aren’t engaged in any power struggles. Mara didn’t say that at all? It’s almost exactly what he said: 1. “We made some miscalculations, to put it mildly, back in 2018, and to a certain extent we’re still paying the price for some of those errors,” 2. “But our personnel decisions improved a bit in 2019, and then significantly last year. I think the combination of Joe and Dave works.
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 28, 2021 22:09:47 GMT -5
I don't run anything. All I do is try to keep it civil in whatever way I can.
Secondly, many folks agree with me that Joe is the most powerful person in this organization. Just because you may disagree with something, doesn't make it "moronic".
There’s some credibility... “Cause some fans on a message board agree with me” I've seen shows sold on less.
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 28, 2021 22:14:57 GMT -5
Allow me to clarify what you believe to be "encouraging lurkers."
We have a very modest presence on FB and Twitter and yet we are constantly getting "likes" even though there is very little promotion done for this site. With that said, we continuously get incomplete requests to join the board. The "encouragement" you've seen is simply a reminder to those who want to join to follow the registration instructions.
We have guests (no log in) and more often than not guests out number log ins. IMO: You want to them to see the joke this site is becoming .Keep allowing it to continue. Like I said I think it is funny. If I was a lurker like I was on the old site for years. I would think twice about joining the site because of the content that is being told as fact. We all know it is not. Yet the thread is allowed to keep the BS going, I get the feeling it is taboo to call him on his BS. This site is becoming no different than a flat earth site . l stay because I have a few friends here. Not because the site is anything special. The fact we dropped a few notches as far content compared to the other sites. This used to be the best Giants board on the web. I cannot say that anymore. The alternative sounds like censorship. And while the four of us may not agree on a whole lot, we all strongly agree about free speech and the idea that all posters be able to express whatever opinion they wish as long as they do so civilly. If that's a nincompoop show iyo, so be it.
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