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Post by jmike on Apr 20, 2021 15:09:45 GMT -5
Surprised by the number of people still stuck in 1990s defenses and the positional prototypes of that time.
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Post by jmike on Apr 20, 2021 15:12:07 GMT -5
Except we play a hybrid alignment. Paye can line up anywhere and projects to either defense. If he didn't fit, the Giants wouldn't be interested. That's the bottom line on that. So where does he line up in a 3 man front, on the edge or on the DL?? yes
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 20, 2021 15:17:48 GMT -5
I think they are interested because he can do so much on the defense. As a pure edge player, there are better guys or more prototypical guys in this draft, but Paye can be and has been moved around a lot. I really like him as a player, but people want an outside rush guy around here and he isn't the best in this draft at that, though still good. But he brings more to the table than most of them. Justin Tuck wasn't a pure edge rusher either. The bottom line is Paye would make this defense better. He wasn’t? I guess holding the school record for sacks in a season means nothing. Justin Tuck turned out to be an all around great player. But, at Norte Dame he was a ferocious pass rusher. Only reason he lasted till the 3rd round was injuries. Also, if you’re average at best getting after the quarterback at a position that demands it, you better be stout against the run.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 20, 2021 15:26:39 GMT -5
Justin Tuck wasn't a pure edge rusher either. The bottom line is Paye would make this defense better. He wasn’t? I guess holding the school record for sacks in a season means nothing. Justin Tuck turned out to be an all around great player. But, at Norte Dame he was a ferocious pass rusher. Only reason he lasted till the 3rd round was injuries. Also, if you’re average at best getting after the quarterback at a position that demands it, you better be stout against the run. Tuck only hit double-digit sacks 4 times in 11 years. Averaged 6.5 per season. Tuck was a great player all around vs. the pass and the run. Probably even more versatile than Strahan. I'm not comparing Paye to Tuck, but Paye is the same type of versatile player than can line up anywhere.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 20, 2021 15:34:22 GMT -5
From David Syvertsen of Ourlads We dont need a 4-3 DE, we need a 3-4 OLB IMO, I dont know if Paye can hang in the 3-4. What happens when we ask him to drop into coverage Tony Pauline: Paye has the movement skills to work in space if needed. As I mentioned before, he played on special teams, so Paye has the fluidity to drop back in coverage if asked. He can win outside with his burst and flexibility to soften those harsh pass rush angles.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 20, 2021 15:46:39 GMT -5
He wasn’t? I guess holding the school record for sacks in a season means nothing. Justin Tuck turned out to be an all around great player. But, at Norte Dame he was a ferocious pass rusher. Only reason he lasted till the 3rd round was injuries. Also, if you’re average at best getting after the quarterback at a position that demands it, you better be stout against the run. Tuck only hit double-digit sacks 4 times in 11 years. Averaged 6.5 per season. Tuck was a great player all around vs. the pass and the run. Probably even more versatile than Strahan. I'm not comparing Paye to Tuck, but Paye is the same type of versatile player than can line up anywhere. Are we drafting him on versatility or ability? The answer has to be ability, because who in their right mind would draft someone 11th overall based on he can be moved around? I think Paye can be a good pro, but I’m hesitant when his primary responsibility is that of an average player. When you’re in the top 20 of the draft, you have to be very good at something. I see a good all around player, nothing stands out where you see “great” potential. I could definitely see him being the pick though. And if he is, I’m not against it. He’s not Cedric Jones, or the other busts we drafted over the past few decades. In the right system, and coaching staff. He can be a good player.
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Post by te88 on Apr 20, 2021 16:34:02 GMT -5
Said it before but Parsons and Surtain are the only defensive players I would support drafting at 11. If they are going to reach, reach on an OL.
I wouldn’t touch Paye. He’s stiff as a board.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 20, 2021 16:41:26 GMT -5
Tuck only hit double-digit sacks 4 times in 11 years. Averaged 6.5 per season. Tuck was a great player all around vs. the pass and the run. Probably even more versatile than Strahan. I'm not comparing Paye to Tuck, but Paye is the same type of versatile player than can line up anywhere. Are we drafting him on versatility or ability? The answer has to be ability, because who in their right mind would draft someone 11th overall based on he can be moved around? I think Paye can be a good pro, but I’m hesitant when his primary responsibility is that of an average player. When you’re in the top 20 of the draft, you have to be very good at something. I see a good all around player, nothing stands out where you see “great” potential. I could definitely see him being the pick though. And if he is, I’m not against it. He’s not Cedric Jones, or the other busts we drafted over the past few decades. In the right system, and coaching staff. He can be a good player. Can be a good player after trying to figure out what he is best at for 2 to 3 years on a 1st round rookie deal... I'll pass and take the other guy gun to head or even Phillips
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 20, 2021 16:53:18 GMT -5
Said it before but Parsons and Surtain are the only defensive players I would support drafting at 11. If they are going to reach, reach on an OL. I wouldn’t touch Paye. He’s stiff as a board. If the Giants “reach” in any aspect in the 1st round. I want Dave fired immediately, and have his office turned into a broom closet. We have no business reaching in the 1st round. I want that player to be an immediate impact player who helps our team day 1. Don’t give me a project, or a boom or bust player. Give me a football player who fits a position of need. I’ve been on the bandwagon of Parsons for awhile now. He’s my ideal 1st round pick. If he’s there, the Giants better make him their pick. Either way, I think we’ll have options at 11. I’m not sold on Paye either. But, I think he can be a good pro. What has me concerned which I mentioned earlier is. He’s not going to get you a lot of sacks, so again why are we drafting him at a position that demands it? We already have a bunch of edge rushers who can’t get to the quarterback. Adding another one seems to defy all logic. It’s like drafting a running back who can’t block.
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Post by te88 on Apr 20, 2021 17:22:11 GMT -5
Said it before but Parsons and Surtain are the only defensive players I would support drafting at 11. If they are going to reach, reach on an OL. I wouldn’t touch Paye. He’s stiff as a board. If the Giants “reach” in any aspect in the 1st round. I want Dave fired immediately, and have his office turned into a broom closet. We have no business reaching in the 1st round. I want that player to be an immediate impact player who helps our team day 1. Don’t give me a project, or a boom or bust player. Give me a football player who fits a position of need. I’ve been on the bandwagon of Parsons for awhile now. He’s my ideal 1st round pick. If he’s there, the Giants better make him their pick. Either way, I think we’ll have options at 11. I’m not sold on Paye either. But, I think he can be a good pro. What has me concerned which I mentioned earlier is. He’s not going to get you a lot of sacks, so again why are we drafting him at a position that demands it? We already have a bunch of edge rushers who can’t get to the quarterback. Adding another one seems to defy all logic. It’s like drafting a running back who can’t block. Paye would be a major reach at 11. None of the edge rushers are worthy of that pick. Period. There is virtually no way there won’t be multiple better players to pick unless hardly any QBs get picked in the top 10. So my position is Parsons and Surtain are worthy of the 11th as far as defensive players. Any of the top OL or receiving weapons are worthy also. If none of those players are available and/or Parsons is off their board at that pick then trading back or reaching for an OL are the only good options. And you can’t force a trade back. Takes two to tango and you don’t want to be the one making the call.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 20, 2021 17:30:37 GMT -5
If the Giants “reach” in any aspect in the 1st round. I want Dave fired immediately, and have his office turned into a broom closet. We have no business reaching in the 1st round. I want that player to be an immediate impact player who helps our team day 1. Don’t give me a project, or a boom or bust player. Give me a football player who fits a position of need. I’ve been on the bandwagon of Parsons for awhile now. He’s my ideal 1st round pick. If he’s there, the Giants better make him their pick. Either way, I think we’ll have options at 11. I’m not sold on Paye either. But, I think he can be a good pro. What has me concerned which I mentioned earlier is. He’s not going to get you a lot of sacks, so again why are we drafting him at a position that demands it? We already have a bunch of edge rushers who can’t get to the quarterback. Adding another one seems to defy all logic. It’s like drafting a running back who can’t block. Paye would be a major reach at 11. None of the edge rushers are worthy of that pick. Period. There is virtually no way there won’t be multiple better players to pick unless hardly any QBs get picked in the top 10. So my position is Parsons and Surtain are worthy of the 11th as far as defensive players. Any of the top OL or receiving weapons are worthy also. If none of those players are available and/or Parsons is off their board at that pick then trading back or reaching for an OL are the boy good options. And you can’t force a trade back. Takes two to tango and you don’t want to be the one making the call. Again I'm in the minority in being more than OK with a "reach " for Zevon Collins at 11 if things went wrong ahead of us .. I'll again say if the 4 pass catchers,Sewell and Slater are gone the value gets extremely fungible after that into the 3rd round so if they really think Collins is the guy ....(I really hope he is on their radar )then so be it Much more immediate upside than Paye as well
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Post by imgrate on Apr 20, 2021 17:53:07 GMT -5
Its only a reach if the player ends up sucking. I'd say our top needs are rg, edge rusher, and rt.
I'd also bet there's about .0001% chance that when we are up to pick, there wouldn't be a player available to us at one of those positions that will ultimately end up being a pro bowl talent. I dont care if its someone that the media says will get drafted in the 6th round, there's great players to be had. The scouts and GMs need to stop sucking at their job and find them.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 20, 2021 18:13:22 GMT -5
Its only a reach if the player ends up sucking. I'd say our top needs are rg, edge rusher, and rt. I'd also bet there's about .0001% chance that when we are up to pick, there wouldn't be a player available to us at one of those positions that will ultimately end up being a pro bowl talent. I dont care if its someone that the media says will get drafted in the 6th round, there's great players to be had. The scouts and GMs need to stop sucking at their job and find them. The problem with this think is you do not pass on Waddle/Smith or Slater if any are available for an edge rusher..
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 20, 2021 18:17:51 GMT -5
Are we drafting him on versatility or ability? The answer has to be ability, because who in their right mind would draft someone 11th overall based on he can be moved around? I think Paye can be a good pro, but I’m hesitant when his primary responsibility is that of an average player. When you’re in the top 20 of the draft, you have to be very good at something. I see a good all around player, nothing stands out where you see “great” potential. I could definitely see him being the pick though. And if he is, I’m not against it. He’s not Cedric Jones, or the other busts we drafted over the past few decades. In the right system, and coaching staff. He can be a good player. Can be a good player after trying to figure out what he is best at for 2 to 3 years on a 1st round rookie deal... I'll pass and take the other guy gun to head or even Phillips I’m not a fan of Paye, but I would pick him over the guy who is a concussion away from eating apple sauce with chopsticks. And looks like a muppet and mop mixed into one. Edge rusher is supposedly “weak” in this draft. Especially, when you’re drafting at 11. I hope we don’t draft one for the sheer reason it’s a position of need. I want a sound pick who is going to help the team immediately. If Paye is the player, I get it. If Phillips is, I’m now questioning if the Giants are eating paint chips when no one is looking.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 20, 2021 18:27:30 GMT -5
Can be a good player after trying to figure out what he is best at for 2 to 3 years on a 1st round rookie deal... I'll pass and take the other guy gun to head or even Phillips I’m not a fan of Paye, but I would pick him over the guy who is a concussion away from eating apple sauce with chopsticks. And looks like a muppet and mop mixed into one. Edge rusher is supposedly “weak” in this draft. Especially, when you’re drafting at 11. I hope we don’t draft one for the sheer reason it’s a position of need. I want a sound pick who is going to help the team immediately. If Paye is the player, I get it. If Phillips is, I’m now questioning if the Giants are eating paint chips when no one is looking. The thing is that Paye has a ceiling of "pretty good" after figuring out what and how to do with him.for 1 to 3 years This is the classic case of a guy that is a non factor year one that hits his career on his 2nd team ... I do not want to use our 11th overall pick to develop a player we might get a comp pick for in 5 or 6 years
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Post by thetruth on Apr 20, 2021 18:29:04 GMT -5
Its only a reach if the player ends up sucking. I'd say our top needs are rg, edge rusher, and rt. I'd also bet there's about .0001% chance that when we are up to pick, there wouldn't be a player available to us at one of those positions that will ultimately end up being a pro bowl talent. I dont care if its someone that the media says will get drafted in the 6th round, there's great players to be had. The scouts and GMs need to stop sucking at their job and find them. The problem with this think is you do not pass on Waddle/Smith or Slater if any are available for an edge rusher.. Yeah I think I would take this trio before any EDGE I think the Giants would pass on Waddle/Slater for an Edge, though
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 18:29:47 GMT -5
We dont need a 4-3 DE, we need a 3-4 OLB IMO, I dont know if Paye can hang in the 3-4. What happens when we ask him to drop into coverage Tony Pauline: Paye has the movement skills to work in space if needed. As I mentioned before, he played on special teams, so Paye has the fluidity to drop back in coverage if asked. He can win outside with his burst and flexibility to soften those harsh pass rush angles. Tony Pauline speaks Take Horn or Surtain over Paye on defense, and Paye is his Edge1 - cornerback still a big need for the NY Giants and these guys are SHUTDOWN Take Paye, only if you trade back - but don't trade back, because 11 elite players this year, and QB's will push a selection of those elite players down to the Giants Not big on Parsons at all - on field red flags - hot and cold player BIG in Waddle for a fit but not a polished receiver...and a question mark compared to Smith due to injury. Has Slater as a guard - not as high on Slater as others - thinks Peart will be a good RT - loves Wyatt Davis, Trey Smith, Banks not mobile enough for our scheme - thinks we should await to take OL until day 2
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 20, 2021 18:29:58 GMT -5
The problem with this think is you do not pass on Waddle/Smith or Slater if any are available for an edge rusher.. Yeah I think I would take this trio before any EDGE I think the Giants would pass on Waddle/Slater for an Edge, though And that very thought frightens me
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Post by imgrate on Apr 20, 2021 18:30:34 GMT -5
Its only a reach if the player ends up sucking. I'd say our top needs are rg, edge rusher, and rt. I'd also bet there's about .0001% chance that when we are up to pick, there wouldn't be a player available to us at one of those positions that will ultimately end up being a pro bowl talent. I dont care if its someone that the media says will get drafted in the 6th round, there's great players to be had. The scouts and GMs need to stop sucking at their job and find them. The problem with this think is you do not pass on Waddle/Smith or Slater if any are available for an edge rusher.. I agree with the general thought process that a high end guard or tackle would provide more impact to our particular team due to current personnel. The thought process I am trying to reject is that a player is a reach. Any player at all. The only way this would be true is if we had every team's draft board (or solid intel) OR the player ends up sucking. The only reason people deem players as reaches is because of the general feel of where that player "should" go.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 20, 2021 18:39:49 GMT -5
Some people think very highly of him, even over Surtain I've heard Jalen Ramsey clone ...no surprise some will have Horn rated higher over Surtain. Honestly if you told me we were getting a Ramsey clone I'd take it. Even with it being over kill on the strongest position on this team. IOL and WR are both pretty deep where we could add more help in round 2 and 3. I'm not saying that is my hope. I still hope we go O in round 1 and honestly think the BPA for us will be on that side of the ball but it would be very tough to pass on Ramsey.
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Post by thetruth on Apr 20, 2021 18:40:56 GMT -5
Are we drafting him on versatility or ability? The answer has to be ability, because who in their right mind would draft someone 11th overall based on he can be moved around? I think Paye can be a good pro, but I’m hesitant when his primary responsibility is that of an average player. When you’re in the top 20 of the draft, you have to be very good at something. I see a good all around player, nothing stands out where you see “great” potential. I could definitely see him being the pick though. And if he is, I’m not against it. He’s not Cedric Jones, or the other busts we drafted over the past few decades. In the right system, and coaching staff. He can be a good player. Can be a good player after trying to figure out what he is best at for 2 to 3 years on a 1st round rookie deal... I'll pass and take the other guy gun to head or even Phillips You'll get a great run player day 1 from Paye. No doubts there. I just dont see value in the pass game. He's so unrefined, will take time especially considering he will be facing much better talent in the pro's. Thats where a guy like Phillips will help day 1. Phillips also is excellent as a run defender and as a pass rusher. Complete sill set. He's also been concussion free the last three years, if we go EDGE go Phillips IMO. All these players are risks but we know Phillips can do it on the field. All others have questions on it. Not ideal and absolutely anyone can get hurt and any time.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 20, 2021 19:02:35 GMT -5
Can be a good player after trying to figure out what he is best at for 2 to 3 years on a 1st round rookie deal... I'll pass and take the other guy gun to head or even Phillips You'll get a great run player day 1 from Paye. No doubts there. I just dont see value in the pass game. He's so unrefined, will take time especially considering he will be facing much better talent in the pro's. Thats where a guy like Phillips will help day 1. Phillips also is excellent as a run defender and as a pass rusher. Complete sill set. He's also been concussion free the last three years, if we go EDGE go Phillips IMO. All these players are risks but we know Phillips can do it on the field. All others have questions on it. Not ideal and absolutely anyone can get hurt and any time. Phillips is a major risk as well. He might be concussion free for three years. But, he’s had them, so much that he retired from sports. It’s a huge gamble to draft a player in the 1st who has already quit the sport he plays in. Now, he will be playing in a league that concussions are rampant and frequent on all players. Especially, players who’s job is to hit the other guy as hard as he can. His talent is undisputed. His desire to play in this league for the long haul is.
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Post by thetruth on Apr 20, 2021 19:12:09 GMT -5
You'll get a great run player day 1 from Paye. No doubts there. I just dont see value in the pass game. He's so unrefined, will take time especially considering he will be facing much better talent in the pro's. Thats where a guy like Phillips will help day 1. Phillips also is excellent as a run defender and as a pass rusher. Complete sill set. He's also been concussion free the last three years, if we go EDGE go Phillips IMO. All these players are risks but we know Phillips can do it on the field. All others have questions on it. Not ideal and absolutely anyone can get hurt and any time. Phillips is a major risk as well. He might be concussion free for three years. But, he’s had them, so much that he retired from sports. It’s a huge gamble to draft a player in the 1st who has already quit the sport he plays in. Now, he will be playing in a league that concussions are rampant and frequent on all players. Especially, players who’s job is to hit the other guy as hard as he can. His talent is undisputed. His desire to play in this league for the long haul is. Well. To be fair he was forced to quit. He had 2 non football related concussions. One as a 10 year old, another in between his sophomore and freshman seasons when he was hit by a car that veered into his bike lane. Philips also had 1 football related concussion as a freshman. At UCLA its a three strikes you're out philosophy so not a lot of nuance. If the NFL employed a 3 concussion policy you wouldn't have enough players to play. I get that concussions are concerning, I do. However, players like Hakeem Nicks, Steve Smith, Victor Cruz, Kenny Phillips, or David Wilson all had a clean bill of health coming into the league, yet all didn't earn a second contract due to injuries. Injuries are completely unpredictable. Sterlng Shepard had 0 concussion issues coming into the league, now? not so much, he had 2 in a three week period in 2019, but he's been completely fine since. Injuries happen in football. Any time, any where, doing just about anything. Phillips is 3 years removed from his last concussion..I would give him a go but if we're going to be conservative, I get that. Just think its the wrong way to look at it
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 20, 2021 19:22:21 GMT -5
Phillips is a major risk as well. He might be concussion free for three years. But, he’s had them, so much that he retired from sports. It’s a huge gamble to draft a player in the 1st who has already quit the sport he plays in. Now, he will be playing in a league that concussions are rampant and frequent on all players. Especially, players who’s job is to hit the other guy as hard as he can. His talent is undisputed. His desire to play in this league for the long haul is. Well. To be fair he was forced to quit. He had 2 non football related concussions. One as a 10 year old, another in between his sophomore and freshman seasons when he was hit by a car that veered into his bike lane. Philips also had 1 football related concussion as a freshman. At UCLA its a three strikes you're out philosophy so not a lot of nuance. If the NFL employed a 3 concussion policy you wouldn't have enough players to play. I get that concussions are concerning, I do. However, players like Hakeem Nicks, Steve Smith, Victor Cruz, Kenny Phillips, or David Wilson all had a clean bill of health coming into the league, yet all didn't earn a second contract due to injuries. Injuries are completely unpredictable. Injuries happen in football. Any time, any where, doing just about anything. Phillips is 3 years removed from his last concussion..I would give him a go but if we're going to be conservative, I get that. Just think its the wrong way to look at it Injuries are difficult to predict, but the best way to predict future injury history is to look at past injury history. I think that contenders with solid rosters can afford to take a risk like this ... a team like us that has to hit on these draft picks just to fight its way to relevance just can’t afford to take a chance like this
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 20, 2021 19:28:54 GMT -5
The problem with this think is you do not pass on Waddle/Smith or Slater if any are available for an edge rusher.. I agree with the general thought process that a high end guard or tackle would provide more impact to our particular team due to current personnel. The thought process I am trying to reject is that a player is a reach. Any player at all. The only way this would be true is if we had every team's draft board (or solid intel) OR the player ends up sucking. The only reason people deem players as reaches is because of the general feel of where that player "should" go. It is funny that we judge “reaches” based on mock drafts, when the very best mock drafters bat .200
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Post by thetruth on Apr 20, 2021 19:29:51 GMT -5
Well. To be fair he was forced to quit. He had 2 non football related concussions. One as a 10 year old, another in between his sophomore and freshman seasons when he was hit by a car that veered into his bike lane. Philips also had 1 football related concussion as a freshman. At UCLA its a three strikes you're out philosophy so not a lot of nuance. If the NFL employed a 3 concussion policy you wouldn't have enough players to play. I get that concussions are concerning, I do. However, players like Hakeem Nicks, Steve Smith, Victor Cruz, Kenny Phillips, or David Wilson all had a clean bill of health coming into the league, yet all didn't earn a second contract due to injuries. Injuries are completely unpredictable. Injuries happen in football. Any time, any where, doing just about anything. Phillips is 3 years removed from his last concussion..I would give him a go but if we're going to be conservative, I get that. Just think its the wrong way to look at it Injuries are difficult to predict, but the best way to predict future injury history is to look at past injury history. I think that contenders with solid rosters can afford to take a risk like this ... a team like us that has to hit on these draft picks just to fight its way to relevance just can’t afford to take a chance like this Agreed, much easier with multiple picks and a deeper roster, etc. However, the players listed above had no prior issues in the NCAA, if looking at ones history was the solution these guys should have been okay. Isn't it weird how much talent we've lost due to injuries? yet the Giants never risk drafting players with concerns coming out? that speaks to the unpredictability of most injuries. Im leery of forcing a pick on a position like EDGE and not going for the best talent. Despite understand the concerns to a degree on the other hand. Its not enough for me to take Paye or Phillips, for example. Im not even sure Paye can be a viable pass rusher in the NFL...
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Post by thetruth on Apr 20, 2021 19:31:11 GMT -5
I agree with the general thought process that a high end guard or tackle would provide more impact to our particular team due to current personnel. The thought process I am trying to reject is that a player is a reach. Any player at all. The only way this would be true is if we had every team's draft board (or solid intel) OR the player ends up sucking. The only reason people deem players as reaches is because of the general feel of where that player "should" go. It is funny that we judge “reaches” based on mock drafts, when the very best mock drafters bat .200 Yeah when players are "falling" and "rising" its these media scouts getting intel from the guys on the teams. Nothing more.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 20, 2021 19:35:22 GMT -5
Injuries are difficult to predict, but the best way to predict future injury history is to look at past injury history. I think that contenders with solid rosters can afford to take a risk like this ... a team like us that has to hit on these draft picks just to fight its way to relevance just can’t afford to take a chance like this Agreed, much easier with multiple picks and a deeper roster, etc. However, the players listed above had no prior issues in the NCAA, if looking at ones history was the solution these guys should have been okay. Isn't it weird how much talent we've lost due to injuries? yet the Giants never risk drafting players with concerns coming out? that speaks to the unpredictability of most injuries. Im leery of forcing a pick on a position like EDGE and not going for the best talent. Despite understand the concerns to a degree on the other hand. Its not enough for me to take Paye or Phillips, for example. Im not even sure Paye can be a viable pass rusher in the NFL... Fair points. Remember David Baas? No injury history before we signed him, then he got here and couldn’t stay healthy at all. Lucky for us, he saved his best game for the Super Bowl.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 20, 2021 19:36:55 GMT -5
Phillips is a major risk as well. He might be concussion free for three years. But, he’s had them, so much that he retired from sports. It’s a huge gamble to draft a player in the 1st who has already quit the sport he plays in. Now, he will be playing in a league that concussions are rampant and frequent on all players. Especially, players who’s job is to hit the other guy as hard as he can. His talent is undisputed. His desire to play in this league for the long haul is. Well. To be fair he was forced to quit. He had 2 non football related concussions. One as a 10 year old, another in between his sophomore and freshman seasons when he was hit by a car that veered into his bike lane. Philips also had 1 football related concussion as a freshman. At UCLA its a three strikes you're out philosophy so not a lot of nuance. If the NFL employed a 3 concussion policy you wouldn't have enough players to play. I get that concussions are concerning, I do. However, players like Hakeem Nicks, Steve Smith, Victor Cruz, Kenny Phillips, or David Wilson all had a clean bill of health coming into the league, yet all didn't earn a second contract due to injuries. Injuries are completely unpredictable. Sterlng Shepard had 0 concussion issues coming into the league, now? not so much, he had 2 in a three week period in 2019, but he's been completely fine since. Injuries happen in football. Any time, any where, doing just about anything. Phillips is 3 years removed from his last concussion..I would give him a go but if we're going to be conservative, I get that. Just think its the wrong way to look at it I thought Cruz got paid then got injured that season.
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Post by te88 on Apr 20, 2021 19:40:50 GMT -5
Its only a reach if the player ends up sucking. I'd say our top needs are rg, edge rusher, and rt. I'd also bet there's about .0001% chance that when we are up to pick, there wouldn't be a player available to us at one of those positions that will ultimately end up being a pro bowl talent. I dont care if its someone that the media says will get drafted in the 6th round, there's great players to be had. The scouts and GMs need to stop sucking at their job and find them. A reach is a reach. LV Raiders think this way and act like they can outsmart everyone. Ferrell, Ruggs, Miller, Joseph, .... have they made a 1st round pick other than Jacobs who has lived up to the draft spot so far? Their picks are always big head scratchers because there are consensus better players on the board. Take the best players available. Especially in the top 10 or on the fringe like 11. No excuses
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