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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 15:39:08 GMT -5
15- 33 is why. It really doesn't matter how happy a fan might be for some college player or FA pick up it's all about the wins.. I don't know LT, we had the same type record 3 out of the 4 previous years before he got here. We were really devoid of talented players. To think he was going to be responsible for instant success seems to me a little misguided. He's made the team stronger each year with solid football players imo. As a fan I honestly didn't expect to win our team didn't have the personal. It does now this team is going to be a tough out. Teams are going to be tired and sore after playing the Giants this season. This team was in a rebuild of 3/4 of it's starters the last 3 years. The future is here and were going to be better next year. After the next 2 years if we don't win you want to knock him and fire his ass I'll hold the door open. But he has built us into a potential winner. P.S. I hope I hope they are real good for many years to come! I really miss those Mid 80s to early 90s teams where at times they were dominant.. As fun as those two under dog Eli runs were I wouldn't mind going into a few seasons watching them be dominate and always in contention.. Here's to hoping this is the start of some title runs.. Would love to eat crow..
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Post by TCHOF on May 2, 2021 15:39:12 GMT -5
at some point the HC is also accountable, its the old way of judging a team, success = good coach and if the team sucks its on the GM... 23 of those losses are entirely on Pat Shurmur. There's a reason he's not coaching here anymore. Bettcher still hasn't found employment since being fired. So Gettlleman has no responsibility for those losses? lol ... ok
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Post by McCherry on May 2, 2021 15:39:23 GMT -5
That's on the coaches now. They signed off on the QB, the OL, the free agents, everything. Can't use the lack of talent excuse anymore. Nonsense. He’s gone if we don’t have a winning season. No participation trophies here. A GM with a losing record over multiple seasons does not get saved by pointing out that the coach agreed with him. Probably, but if the team starts 1-3 again, it's going to be Joe Judge's ass on the crosshairs.
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Post by Morehead State on May 2, 2021 15:40:41 GMT -5
Nonsense. He’s gone if we don’t have a winning season. No participation trophies here. A GM with a losing record over multiple seasons does not get saved by pointing out that the coach agreed with him. Probably, but if the team starts 1-3 again, it's going to be Joe Judge's ass on the crosshairs. If we lose this year after going crazy in free agency...Joe ass SHOULD be in the crosshairs.
We mortgaged our future to win THIS year....and we better had.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on May 2, 2021 15:41:34 GMT -5
I get that feeling too. But he’s earned the right to leave when and how he wants. He's handed the coaches all the talent you could ask for. If they can't win with this roster they need to find a new line of work. The O line and QB will determine that IMO. They also go hand in hand. Plus Adoree is far from a slam dunk, lots of analysts think we overpaid. This team looks pretty good but I believe Vegas still has our O/U at 7. Not saying Vegas is always right but they’re normally pretty good and that puts 25 other teams jn front of us. Personally, I think we go over and I’m more excited about this season than I have been in a long time but my two biggest concerns happen to also be arguably the two most important position groups on the field, O line and QB. We all saw what happened to KC and Mahomes just from missing two starting tackles. Were all worried about the OL and QB Vinnie. But were going with the glass half full today. After our first loss there will be plenty of fodder for the glass half empty just like every year. But today I say were going to win 10 games yes there's that extra game and we may need it. And our division is going to be a back alley fist fight but I feel for the first time in 3-4 years we can win. And I haven't been this pumped waiting to go into a season in 4-5 years.
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Post by snyder55 on May 2, 2021 15:48:16 GMT -5
at some point the HC is also accountable, its the old way of judging a team, success = good coach and if the team sucks its on the GM... 23 of those losses are entirely on Pat Shurmur. There's a reason he's not coaching here anymore. Bettcher still hasn't found employment since being fired. Mike, Gettleman takes a beating on this board every day and I honestly don't see anybody in the Giants office working any harder than he does, I guess it comes down to whether you like DG or not, if its a personality contest then I guess Dave loses
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Post by ThatGuyRich on May 2, 2021 15:51:34 GMT -5
I get that feeling too. But he’s earned the right to leave when and how he wants. He's handed the coaches all the talent you could ask for. If they can't win with this roster they need to find a new line of work. How? By having the worst record by any GM in our history?
We've only had 2-3 GM's in our history. George Young was our first.
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Post by McCherry on May 2, 2021 15:54:33 GMT -5
I get that feeling too. But he’s earned the right to leave when and how he wants. He's handed the coaches all the talent you could ask for. If they can't win with this roster they need to find a new line of work. How? By having the worst record by any GM in our history?
Nobody cares about Pat Shurmer's record anymore... It's Joe Judge's QB, it's his offensive line, receivers and defense. There’s no more crying "Dave" if they can't figure out how to put the ball in the end zone with Golloday, Toney, Barkley, Rudolph etc. We all love Joe so far, but you'll see how fast that love affair ends after a 1-3 start.
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Post by Morehead State on May 2, 2021 15:58:50 GMT -5
How? By having the worst record by any GM in our history?
We've only had 2-3 GM's in our history. George Young was our first. HC's were defacto GM's from Allie Sherman and before. I'm including them.
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 2, 2021 16:01:03 GMT -5
How? By having the worst record by any GM in our history?
Nobody cares about Pat Shurmer's record anymore... It's Joe Judge's QB, it's his offensive line, receivers and defense. There’s no more crying "Dave" if they can't figure out how to put the ball in the end zone with Golloday, Toney, Barkley, Rudolph etc. We all love Joe so far, but you'll see how fast that love affair ends after a 1-3 start. If the players suck, we can't be mad at Dave?
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Post by Morehead State on May 2, 2021 16:07:06 GMT -5
How? By having the worst record by any GM in our history?
Nobody cares about Pat Shurmer's record anymore... It's Joe Judge's QB, it's his offensive line, receivers and defense. There’s no more crying "Dave" if they can't figure out how to put the ball in the end zone with Golloday, Toney, Barkley, Rudolph etc. We all love Joe so far, but you'll see how fast that love affair ends after a 1-3 start. Yet you're the one who brought it up a few posts ago. No one else did.
Jeez Mike.
That said, Dave's performance is set. He's been a failure. Now we spent a fortune on free agents in order to fix what Dave has broken. But I agree with you. Assuming a bunch of top guys not suffering huge injuries, we MUST win in 2021.
I expect 11 wins minimum.
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Post by TCHOF on May 2, 2021 16:46:28 GMT -5
Nonsense. He’s gone if we don’t have a winning season. No participation trophies here. A GM with a losing record over multiple seasons does not get saved by pointing out that the coach agreed with him. Probably, but if the team starts 1-3 again, it's going to be Joe Judge's ass on the crosshairs. Joe Judge will not be in the crosshairs if the team starts 1-3, except among the mouthbreather crowd
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Post by ThatGuyRich on May 2, 2021 16:59:22 GMT -5
We've only had 2-3 GM's in our history. George Young was our first. HC's were defacto GM's from Allie Sherman and before. I'm including them. OK, That counts. Ya know we even had Tim and Wellington picking for us back in the day. They got Frank Gifford and Rosey Brown right. maybe a few others.
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Post by SemperFi on May 2, 2021 17:32:00 GMT -5
I get that feeling too. But he’s earned the right to leave when and how he wants. He's handed the coaches all the talent you could ask for. If they can't win with this roster they need to find a new line of work. How? By having the worst record by any GM in our history?
Still rigidly insisting the earth is flat, after all the evidence to the contrary!
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Post by southerner on May 2, 2021 17:39:06 GMT -5
Joe Judge is the one being graded now.....Gettleman gave him enough to win, and now it is Judge’s job to make it happen, or he is on the hot seat after two years just like Shurmur.
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Post by Morehead State on May 2, 2021 17:41:14 GMT -5
How? By having the worst record by any GM in our history?
Still rigidly insisting the earth is flat, after all the evidence to the contrary! I can prove...with mathematical certainty, that the Giants have been 15-33 over the tenure of Dave Gettleman as our GM.
Do you claim otherwise?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 2, 2021 17:57:10 GMT -5
23 of those losses are entirely on Pat Shurmur. There's a reason he's not coaching here anymore. Bettcher still hasn't found employment since being fired. Mike, Gettleman takes a beating on this board every day and I honestly don't see anybody in the Giants office working any harder than he does, I guess it comes down to whether you like DG or not, if its a personality contest then I guess Dave loses He is going Into his 4th year when he took over he had a patient that was terminally ill once healthy this patient would need years of rehab to get back to full health. At the end of his 4th year if the patient isn't on the fast road to a full recovery right or wrong he might get axed, when he walked in the door he knew what he was walking into. That said this is his 2nd year in a row with a strong Daft and free agency and he has set the team up to get back to full health with a ton of draft capital in the 2022 draft , rumored to be one of the strongest drafts talent wise in years. So I say come on DR Dave get your patient up and moving so you have the chance to use the draft capital you earned. We have to remember after last years draft he said they had finished the reworking of the front office and scouting department and it seems to be paying off.
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Post by southerner on May 2, 2021 18:00:59 GMT -5
Mike, Gettleman takes a beating on this board every day and I honestly don't see anybody in the Giants office working any harder than he does, I guess it comes down to whether you like DG or not, if its a personality contest then I guess Dave loses He is going Into his 4th year when he took over he had a patient that was terminally ill once healthy this patient would need years of rehab to get back to full health. At the end of his 4th year if the patient isn't on the fast road to a full recovery right or wrong he might get axed, when he walked in the door he knew what he was walking into. That said this is his 2nd year in a row with a strong Daft and free agency and he has set the team up to get back to full health with a ton of draft capital in the 2022 draft , rumored to be one of the strongest drafts talent wise in years. So I say come on DR Dave get your patient up and moving so you have the chance to use the draft capital you earned. We have to remember after last years draft he said they had finished the reworking of the front office and scouting department and it seems to be paying off. This is true, as Reese left him a team in total disarray...it is amazing how badly Reese damaged the Giants team, and his damage even lingered a year or two after his departure. Gettleman knew so yes, he knew what he was stepping into. Much of the blame lies with Mara and Tisch for letting Reese remain after it was obvious he was incompetent.
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Post by Delicreep on May 2, 2021 18:06:11 GMT -5
Still rigidly insisting the earth is flat, after all the evidence to the contrary! I can prove...with mathematical certainty, that the Giants have been 15-33 over the tenure of Dave Gettleman as our GM.
Do you claim otherwise?
This feels like a trick question.
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Post by McCherry on May 2, 2021 18:16:34 GMT -5
23 of those losses are entirely on Pat Shurmur. There's a reason he's not coaching here anymore. Bettcher still hasn't found employment since being fired. So Gettlleman has no responsibility for those losses? lol ... ok Someone in the Giants organization clearly didn't think he had as much responsibility for the record as the coach.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 2, 2021 18:31:29 GMT -5
I can prove...with mathematical certainty, that the Giants have been 15-33 over the tenure of Dave Gettleman as our GM.
Do you claim otherwise?
This feels like a trick question. Why do we have to Riddle me this and riddle me that lol lets stick to facts. Dave Gettlemen took over the worst team in the NFL with cap issues to boot it is a tall task to fix 7-8 years of poor drafts and bad free agent signings, Gettlemen has not been perfect but these last 2 off seasons have been pretty good and he has the team set up to take advantage of one of the strongest drafts in years in 2022, two 1st round picks two 3rd round picks and 2 4th round picksPlus their full compliment of picks equaling 10in total. Think since the first 2 years they were reworking the roster the cap the scouting department the front office the player grading system and analytics they got it done last year and it seems to have paid off. Thats how you fix a train wreck lol.
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Post by GameTime on May 2, 2021 18:44:44 GMT -5
I think Getty is retiring after this season, period. I thought that last year
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Post by GameTime on May 2, 2021 18:46:50 GMT -5
I think Getty is retiring after this season, period. This. Abrams will probably be the next man up. he seems like he s just a money guy. He.s been with the org a a very long time Not sure if ever wanted the GM or interviewed for it. I dont see him being the GM ever. They give the numbers and he crunches them. Gettlman even said that Abrams does all the negotiating.
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Post by Kruunch on May 2, 2021 18:55:53 GMT -5
This. Abrams will probably be the next man up. he seems like he s just a money guy. He.s been with the org a a very long time Not sure if ever wanted the GM or interviewed for it. I dont see him being the GM ever. They give the numbers and he crunches them. Gettlman even said that Abrams does all the negotiating. Agreed. He had his opportunity in ‘18. And the Giants choose Gettleman instead. Not everyone can be a GM, he’s been with the organization for a long time, the Giants know enough what they have and not have with him. If the Giants promote within, I would put my money on Kyle O'Brien.
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Post by Rangers13 on May 2, 2021 18:58:48 GMT -5
After this last draft, Gettleman will definitely be offered and extension, if he wants one. He is approaching 70, but I think he would sign on for 2 more years, and I am sure Mara will want him to stay. Gettleman started under George Young and the Mara’s definitely will want that legacy to stay around. lol, yeah ok. The Giants could go 17-0 and he’s one game under .500
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Post by SemperFi on May 2, 2021 18:59:48 GMT -5
Still rigidly insisting the earth is flat, after all the evidence to the contrary! I can prove...with mathematical certainty, that the Giants have been 15-33 over the tenure of Dave Gettleman as our GM.
Do you claim otherwise?
Of course I claim otherwise, as has many more on this board who have pointed out to you that DG inherited a dog and pony show, that included one last hurrah by Mara for Eli. This, "we can still win" pipe dream, lost us a year of rebuilding. But of course you find it convenient to rigidly ignore that.
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Post by Rangers13 on May 2, 2021 19:01:41 GMT -5
How? By having the worst record by any GM in our history?
Nobody cares about Pat Shurmer's record anymore... It's Joe Judge's QB, it's his offensive line, receivers and defense. There’s no more crying "Dave" if they can't figure out how to put the ball in the end zone with Golloday, Toney, Barkley, Rudolph etc. We all love Joe so far, but you'll see how fast that love affair ends after a 1-3 start. records don’t matter lol.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on May 2, 2021 19:03:30 GMT -5
Joe Judge is the one being graded now.....Gettleman gave him enough to win, and now it is Judge’s job to make it happen, or he is on the hot seat after two years just like Shurmur. I disagree. Judge never got his QB and never got his OC. He has changed a lot, but those are 2 very important roles he had little to no say in. Further, until the O line isn't bottom of the league year in and year out, I don't know how anyone can claim Gettleman gave him enough to win. The Giants are leaning heavily on Thomas becoming the LT he was drafted to be, Gates getting over the hump of being a new center, Peart becoming a starting RT, Lemieux learning how to pass block, and Hernandez not being the disappointment he's been since he started with the Giants. That is A LOT to put on Judge to make happen. 4 years in and our O line is as big a question mark as ever. That is still on Gettleman.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on May 2, 2021 19:08:09 GMT -5
This feels like a trick question. Why do we have to Riddle me this and riddle me that lol lets stick to facts. Dave Gettlemen took over the worst team in the NFL with cap issues to boot it is a tall task to fix 7-8 years of poor drafts and bad free agent signings, Gettlemen has not been perfect but these last 2 off seasons have been pretty good and he has the team set up to take advantage of one of the strongest drafts in years in 2022, two 1st round picks two 3rd round picks and 2 4th round picksPlus their full compliment of picks equaling 10in total. Think since the first 2 years they were reworking the roster the cap the scouting department the front office the player grading system and analytics they got it done last year and it seems to have paid off. Thats how you fix a train wreck lol. I don't think it's a coincidence that the first time Gettleman trades back and generally looks competent in a draft, is the first time Judge had a voice in the war room. My guess is Gettleman saw another Penn State gold jacket in Parsons, and it was Judge who pushed for the deal with the Bears.
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Post by Nite on May 2, 2021 19:09:32 GMT -5
Whats the rush? Lets see how that Gettle magic materializes this upcoming year..Then we can crown him king of all football..
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