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Post by Morehead State on May 17, 2021 21:24:45 GMT -5
I coached a travel team once upon a time and our high school coach whined to me about how many kids participated in another traditional powerhouse's summer program.. I said "coach, we can't play 60 kids, I need to find 16 who live to compete." We kicked that "powerhouse" team's ass 2 years later on the way to states. My high school coach was a pussy. He thought that you win with numbers. Nothing could be further from the truth. You win with winners. Do winners sit at home during voluntary workouts?
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Post by DandyDon on May 17, 2021 21:27:19 GMT -5
Serious hard ass peeps on the internet. Go figure.
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Post by TEM on May 17, 2021 21:27:48 GMT -5
I coached a travel team once upon a time and our high school coach whined to me about how many kids participated in another traditional powerhouse's summer program.. I said "coach, we can't play 60 kids, I need to find 16 who live to compete." We kicked that "powerhouse" team's ass 2 years later on the way to states. I do not get your point. If this team lacks motivation to do a simple task. Can they be motivated to do a difficult one? Like March down the field with 1:20 on the clock and score or stop the opposition from scoring .. That motivation's foundation is built way before it is needed. What I see with this action today. That foundation does no exist and has been missing for a long time. That kind of motivation takes commitment.
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Post by TEM on May 17, 2021 21:41:05 GMT -5
This what we lack .
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Post by TEM on May 17, 2021 21:43:59 GMT -5
So our 6-10 players feel it is unnecessary to attend . The team that went to back to back Super bowls has all but 9 players.. Don't tell me this does not matter.
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Post by jb456 on May 17, 2021 22:27:23 GMT -5
And that really helped our season. We mustered a pathetic 4 wins that year. Never cite anything with Pat Shurmur. He’s the Al Bundy of head coaches. Never disrespect Al Bundy. He had 4 tds in a single game at polk high.....
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Post by Fletch842 on May 18, 2021 5:54:28 GMT -5
While it would be nice if everyone participated, these are voluntary, and I try not to get too up in arms about players skipping them, especially the more seasoned vets. If they start skipping the mini-camps, etc, I'll be quite upset. While some of the players are merely taking advantage of the situation, there are some typically that have other commitments this time of year.
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Post by imgrate on May 18, 2021 6:13:16 GMT -5
I coached a travel team once upon a time and our high school coach whined to me about how many kids participated in another traditional powerhouse's summer program.. I said "coach, we can't play 60 kids, I need to find 16 who live to compete." We kicked that "powerhouse" team's ass 2 years later on the way to states. My high school coach was a pussy. He thought that you win with numbers. Nothing could be further from the truth. You win with winners. Do winners sit at home during voluntary workouts? Bucs are. Bruce Arians quote couple days ago: “I’m sure we’ll have a bunch more of our guys show up in the next few weeks, not necessarily do I want the veterans here – the starters here – until minicamp (June 7 through 9,) but we need the bottom half of our roster here working.”
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Post by GameTime on May 18, 2021 6:23:26 GMT -5
Blame the ****ing NFLPLA..
they want players to have solidarity and sit out yet the team wants them to go to OTAs. They out the players in a tough position. I hate the union for what they are cultivating. I am not a union guy at all.
40 players showed up. This is not a good or bad thing. It is what it is.
Everyone needs to CTFD!!!!
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Post by Jomo on May 18, 2021 6:31:28 GMT -5
I coached a travel team once upon a time and our high school coach whined to me about how many kids participated in another traditional powerhouse's summer program.. I said "coach, we can't play 60 kids, I need to find 16 who live to compete." We kicked that "powerhouse" team's ass 2 years later on the way to states. My high school coach was a pussy. He thought that you win with numbers. Nothing could be further from the truth. You win with winners. Do winners sit at home during voluntary workouts? I doubt it but this is not a game won by who had the most people at OTAs. One could flip it around and ask, does every guy that shows up live to compete or are they just trying to check one of the boxes with the coaches? I have come around a bit on OTA. I still prefer it when players show up but if they don't it is not the end of the world. Super Bowls are not won during OTAs.
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Post by jb456 on May 18, 2021 6:36:19 GMT -5
Blame the ****ing NFLPLA.. they want players to have solidarity and sit out yet the team wants them to go to OTAs. They out the players in a tough position. I hate the union for what they are cultivating. I am not a union guy at all. 40 players showed up. This is not a good or bad thing. It is what it is. Everyone needs to CTFD!!!! I agree. It's just annoying to see teams that are much better with double the amount of players in attendance. It looks like those vets are resting on their laurels of that amazing 6 - 10 season but like you said. NFLPA....
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Post by TCHOF on May 18, 2021 6:41:56 GMT -5
Blame the ****ing NFLPLA.. they want players to have solidarity and sit out yet the team wants them to go to OTAs. They out the players in a tough position. I hate the union for what they are cultivating. I am not a union guy at all. 40 players showed up. This is not a good or bad thing. It is what it is. Everyone needs to CTFD!!!! I think that it’s the OP that people are responding too ... thinking that it’s a positive for half the team to show up when virtually every other team had more guys show up
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 7:01:01 GMT -5
Not a good showing for a team that has the worse record in the league these past 4 years..
It's a good thing that culture thingy hasn't effected this poor turnout!! LOL
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Post by bluebuddha on May 18, 2021 7:07:44 GMT -5
This kind of proves that showing up for voluntarily OTAs does not really correlate to a a better record. It does show maybe Judge isn't the that leader which inspires.
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Post by TEM on May 18, 2021 7:20:19 GMT -5
This kind of proves that showing up for voluntarily OTAs does not really correlate to a a better record. It does show maybe Judge isn't the that leader which inspires. If your theory is sound on Voluntary WOs . Why do the Chiefs' Have 90% attendance ( back to back SB appearances ) . Won 80% of their regular season games in that 2 year span . We have 44% attendance. We won 31% of our games in that same 2 year span. Perhaps their players are more committed to wining than ours are. If a coach like JJ cannot motivate this team . No one can. If this trend continues . Expect more of the same going forward.
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Post by te88 on May 18, 2021 7:36:49 GMT -5
At least OTAs have been so watered down that almost nothing can be meaningfully accomplished. “Team building” (ie social interaction/relationship building) is really all they’re good for now. You’d like to see the team really coalescing but oh well. If I was a player I’d be a little concerned about working out on my own given the Juwan James situation.
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Post by Nite on May 18, 2021 7:47:24 GMT -5
Not a good showing for a team that has the worse record in the league these past 4 years.. It's a good thing that culture thingy hasn't effected this poor turnout!! LOL Trust the process......
*snicker*
BTW, just for what are the vegas odds for the chiefs, getting to the sb vs ours?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 7:49:17 GMT -5
Not a good showing for a team that has the worse record in the league these past 4 years.. It's a good thing that culture thingy hasn't effected this poor turnout!! LOL Trust the process......
*snicker*
BTW, just for what are the vegas odds for the chiefs, getting to the sb vs ours? There are odds for the Giants getting to the super bowl?? Wasted money that would be..
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Post by giantlegacy on May 18, 2021 7:49:57 GMT -5
Do we know who exactly showed up in Rutherford?
This is really mixed for me I'm wondering if the secondary thinks they can get more done on their own than with the very watered down OTAs?
I mean are you even allowed for example to have the qbs and recievers work on plays and such a5 OTAs?
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Post by TEM on May 18, 2021 7:53:21 GMT -5
Do we know who exactly showed up in Rutherford? This is really mixed for me I'm wondering if the secondary thinks they can get more done on their own than with the very watered down OTAs? I mean are you even allowed for example to have the qbs and recievers work on plays and such a5 OTAs? We do know that 43% of them were rookies and UDFAs.
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Post by wtfjjk on May 18, 2021 7:54:05 GMT -5
Will Hernandez better be there. Engram too. And all the bubble guys like BJ Hill, Oshane, etc.
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Post by TEM on May 18, 2021 8:08:51 GMT -5
I know we all want to think we know what is best but you have to remember this is a business to these guys an injury is a killer if not covered . I doubt people are staying away for the hell of it . Bucs are. Bruce Arians quote couple days ago: “I’m sure we’ll have a bunch more of our guys show up in the next few weeks, not necessarily do I want the veterans here – the starters here – until minicamp (June 7 through 9,) but we need the bottom half of our roster here working.” I think this is more the reality. Exactly is for the team that just won the SB.
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Post by bluebuddha on May 18, 2021 8:44:22 GMT -5
This kind of proves that showing up for voluntarily OTAs does not really correlate to a a better record. It does show maybe Judge isn't the that leader which inspires. If your theory is sound on Voluntary WOs . Why do the Chiefs' Have 90% attendance ( back to back SB appearances ) . Won 80% of their regular season games in that 2 year span . We have 44% attendance. We won 31% of our games in that same 2 year span. Perhaps their players are more committed to wining than ours are. If a coach like JJ cannot motivate this team . No one can. If this trend continues . Expect more of the same going forward. Agreed coaching matters.
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Post by Martin on May 18, 2021 8:45:14 GMT -5
I tend to go with the more players who show the better. This team has been a losing franchise over a bunch of years and you turn it around with full team participation. It's one team. The idea that some players will show and some will not for a team that has been bad tells the story.
I do think the other side of this goes into the fact that many many players do not have guaranteed money. (contract bonuses and signing bonuses IMO don't count) The stats probably show the more a player plays (pre-regular season and regular season) the more likelyhood of injury. I am sure many players in the NFL worry about injury and no insurance policy with the thought of next man up replacing them. Even worse is to work out away from the team facility as it is apparent the player(s) are not protected by the league or NFLPA. I can understand why some players opt out for their individual concern but as a team that wants to come together and win it is not a winning process having some players stay home.
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Post by Morehead State on May 18, 2021 8:54:36 GMT -5
Do winners sit at home during voluntary workouts? Bucs are. Bruce Arians quote couple days ago: “I’m sure we’ll have a bunch more of our guys show up in the next few weeks, not necessarily do I want the veterans here – the starters here – until minicamp (June 7 through 9,) but we need the bottom half of our roster here working.” Fair enough. Might be different being the SB champs. Coming from 6-10, I'd like to see some more enthusiasm.
But as I said before, it's not the end of the world, just a bit disappointing.
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Post by jb456 on May 18, 2021 8:56:47 GMT -5
Do winners sit at home during voluntary workouts? Bucs are. Bruce Arians quote couple days ago: “I’m sure we’ll have a bunch more of our guys show up in the next few weeks, not necessarily do I want the veterans here – the starters here – until minicamp (June 7 through 9,) but we need the bottom half of our roster here working.” I'm really trying to get your point but that's like comparing a Lamborghini to a Geo Metro. The Bucs are lead by one of the greatest QB's of all time and are coming off a Super Bowl victory in which they curb stomped the Chiefs and made them look like CFL team. The Giants are an embarrassing team that couldn't even win 7 games to make the playoffs.
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Post by TCHOF on May 18, 2021 9:04:26 GMT -5
Bucs are. Bruce Arians quote couple days ago: “I’m sure we’ll have a bunch more of our guys show up in the next few weeks, not necessarily do I want the veterans here – the starters here – until minicamp (June 7 through 9,) but we need the bottom half of our roster here working.” Fair enough. Might be different being the SB champs. Coming from 6-10, I'd like to see some more enthusiasm.
But as I said before, it's not the end of the world, just a bit disappointing.
If you are a player who doesn't have a no-brainer roster spot, you have to be an idiot not to show up for the voluntary workouts.
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Post by jb456 on May 18, 2021 9:11:40 GMT -5
Fair enough. Might be different being the SB champs. Coming from 6-10, I'd like to see some more enthusiasm.
But as I said before, it's not the end of the world, just a bit disappointing.
If you are a player who doesn't have a no-brainer roster spot, you have to be an idiot not to show up for the voluntary workouts. 100% agree and I guarantee you that there are a lot of players that fall into that category within the group of 48 players that decided to skip it. Also, I bet you that they are sweating right now and probably second guessing their decision or they are dumber than a bag of rocks...
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Post by TCHOF on May 18, 2021 9:55:06 GMT -5
If you are a player who doesn't have a no-brainer roster spot, you have to be an idiot not to show up for the voluntary workouts. 100% agree and I guarantee you that there are a lot of players that fall into that category within the group of 48 players that decided to skip it. Also, I bet you that they are sweating right now and probably second guessing their decision or they are dumber than a bag of rocks... Really like that DJ was there, and what Shepherd said about him today (how he is the first one in, last one out, etc.) We all root for the NY Giants QB, but it's also real easy to root for DJ the person ....
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Post by giantlegacy on May 18, 2021 10:10:33 GMT -5
100% agree and I guarantee you that there are a lot of players that fall into that category within the group of 48 players that decided to skip it. Also, I bet you that they are sweating right now and probably second guessing their decision or they are dumber than a bag of rocks... Really like that DJ was there, and what Shepherd said about him today (how he is the first one in, last one out, etc.) We all root for the NY Giants QB, but it's also real easy to root for DJ the person .... I'm guessing most of the key elements of the offense showed up.(at least Toney was there witb Jones and Shep)
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