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Post by GameTime on May 19, 2021 7:13:23 GMT -5
ok so OTAs in May set the tone for the whole season.
I guess Judge sucks as a HC and a motivator
Please Unions cultivate complacency and laziness. The NFLPA is no different
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Post by Martin on May 19, 2021 9:58:15 GMT -5
What happens in May stays in May. By the way this subject is very weak.
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Post by Morehead State on May 19, 2021 10:31:50 GMT -5
I don't think it's a huge deal that we only had 45 or so players show up. It's not a big deal that other teams had many more. This is really a function of the NFLPA trying to wield power.
But the premise of this thread is silly. While it's no big deal that we didn't have good participation, it's also silly to praise our mediocre numbers as if it's a sign of great enthusiasm. It's not.
It's been disappointing actually....but no big deal in the long run.
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Post by McCherry on May 19, 2021 10:57:57 GMT -5
I don't think it's a huge deal that we only had 45 or so players show up. It's not a big deal that other teams had many more. This is really a function of the NFLPA trying to wield power. But the premise of this thread is silly. While it's no big deal that we didn't have good participation, it's also silly to praise our mediocre numbers as if it's a sign of great enthusiasm. It's not. It's been disappointing actually....but no big deal in the long run. It's ok to be excited about the team and upcoming season. Any OTA's are exciting, if the OL and most of the offense are there, I'm excited. I'd like to know if Solder is there.
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Post by Roosevelt on May 19, 2021 11:01:54 GMT -5
David Diehl seems to think participation matters. He never missed an OTA and believes his longevity has to do with it.
The more you know about what the coaches want and the more the coaches know they can trust you, the better your chances of sticking around.
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Post by Morehead State on May 19, 2021 13:33:03 GMT -5
I don't think it's a huge deal that we only had 45 or so players show up. It's not a big deal that other teams had many more. This is really a function of the NFLPA trying to wield power. But the premise of this thread is silly. While it's no big deal that we didn't have good participation, it's also silly to praise our mediocre numbers as if it's a sign of great enthusiasm. It's not. It's been disappointing actually....but no big deal in the long run. It's ok to be excited about the team and upcoming season. Any OTA's are exciting, if the OL and most of the offense are there, I'm excited. I'd like to know if Solder is there. I never suggested otherwise. The OP was excited by how many players showed up. That makes no sense.
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Post by cruzsoldier on May 19, 2021 19:12:35 GMT -5
Last week it was Logan Ryan setting up private workouts with his fellow teammates. Now, we have 40 Giants, 17 rookies and undrafted free agents attending voluntary workouts. Great teams aren’t built over night, or during the season. It starts now, with your teammates building a foundation. I hope the starting OL are at the workouts.
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Post by IrishMike on May 19, 2021 19:44:35 GMT -5
This part of OTA's are more important for rookies and tryout players, as it's mostly about reiterating things like fundamentals and team rules etc. There's not a lot of real football practice happening here. Minicamps on the other hand are the first real off season activities that matter. You see actual offense vs. defense competition and the first depth charts start to form. Well I just read a quote from Shep today that said his last two NFL coaches didn't make them do conditioning and the team would be gasping in the fourth quarter. So if all they do is wind sprints at OTAs there is a benefit.
As I said. No matter what they are doing it's more important for us than for teams like the Chiefs.
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Post by piddy283 on May 19, 2021 22:33:15 GMT -5
It's ok to be excited about the team and upcoming season. Any OTA's are exciting, if the OL and most of the offense are there, I'm excited. I'd like to know if Solder is there. I never suggested otherwise. The OP was excited by how many players showed up. That makes no sense. - The title of the thread is "I love what we're building.....GMen show up for workouts."
- The first post is "Love it."
I haven't mentioned anything about numbers and I haven't compared our numbers to other teams. I pasted an article discussing the fact Giants players had shown up for voluntary workouts. You hyena's took it upon yourselves to rip a presumed positive article into a bunch of negative shreds with your "quick to poop the party" attitudes. Spot on post, though. Way to make sense out of things.
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Post by Morehead State on May 19, 2021 22:36:42 GMT -5
I never suggested otherwise. The OP was excited by how many players showed up. That makes no sense. - The title of the thread is "I love what we're building.....GMen show up for workouts."
- The first post is "Love it."
I haven't mentioned anything about numbers and I haven't compared our numbers to other teams. I pasted an article discussing the fact Giants players had shown up for voluntary workouts. You hyena's took it upon yourselves to rip a presumed positive article into a bunch of negative shreds with your "quick to poop the party" attitudes. Spot on post, though. Way to make sense out of things. I have no idea what you're saying here. Are you saying that you weren't expressing happiness that we had such a great turnout for voluntary workouts?
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Post by piddy283 on May 19, 2021 23:33:52 GMT -5
- The title of the thread is "I love what we're building.....GMen show up for workouts."
- The first post is "Love it."
I haven't mentioned anything about numbers and I haven't compared our numbers to other teams. I pasted an article discussing the fact Giants players had shown up for voluntary workouts. You hyena's took it upon yourselves to rip a presumed positive article into a bunch of negative shreds with your "quick to poop the party" attitudes. Spot on post, though. Way to make sense out of things. I have no idea what you're saying here. Are you saying that you weren't expressing happiness that we had such a great turnout for voluntary workouts? 1 - The title of the thread is "I love what we're building.....GMen show up for workouts." 2 - The first post is "Love it." This is what I said. Pretty straight forward, not much to it. No mention of attendance numbers or a "great turnout." Not by me, at least. To Recap: What I love is the fact Giants players showed up for voluntary workouts after the NFLPA advised them not to, period. It's a simple as that.
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Post by TCHOF on May 20, 2021 4:28:46 GMT -5
I have no idea what you're saying here. Are you saying that you weren't expressing happiness that we had such a great turnout for voluntary workouts? 1 - The title of the thread is "I love what we're building.....GMen show up for workouts." 2 - The first post is "Love it." This is what I said. Pretty straight forward, not much to it. No mention of attendance numbers or a "great turnout." Not by me, at least. To Recap: What I love is the fact Giants players showed up for voluntary workouts after the NFLPA advised them not to, period. It's a simple as that. Clear as mud
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Post by piddy283 on May 20, 2021 7:02:37 GMT -5
1 - The title of the thread is "I love what we're building.....GMen show up for workouts." 2 - The first post is "Love it." This is what I said. Pretty straight forward, not much to it. No mention of attendance numbers or a "great turnout." Not by me, at least. To Recap: What I love is the fact Giants players showed up for voluntary workouts after the NFLPA advised them not to, period. It's a simple as that. Clear as mud Get off my lawn Tony. Giants players showing up for voluntary workouts, after the NFLPA discouraged them from doing so, is a good thing. This isn't a tough concept to grasp. The first few replies to the thread were in line with this train of thought. It was right around post #6 when things went sideways and folks decided to make this an attendance contest with other teams across the league. The negative whirlwind grew from there.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2021 7:09:19 GMT -5
Last week it was Logan Ryan setting up private workouts with his fellow teammates. Now, we have 40 Giants, 17 rookies and undrafted free agents attending voluntary workouts. Great teams aren’t built over night, or during the season. It starts now, with your teammates building a foundation. I hope the starting OL are at the workouts. I hope they brought in a dozen more for tryouts!!
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Post by GameTime on May 20, 2021 7:25:07 GMT -5
Giants players showing up for voluntary workouts, after the NFLPA discouraged them from doing so, is a good thing. this^^^^
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Post by TEM on May 20, 2021 7:26:44 GMT -5
Get off my lawn Tony. Giants players showing up for voluntary workouts, after the NFLPA discouraged them from doing so, is a good thing. This isn't a tough concept to grasp. The first few replies to the thread were in line with this train of thought. It was right around post #6 when things went sideways and folks decided to make this an attendance contest with other teams across the league. The negative whirlwind grew from there. Why are you impressed by this? I see it from a different angle Most of the teams had 75% attendance . Some had 90% Those teams were also discouraged from doing so. Are you really saying the NFLPA has more influence on the Giants ( a 6 win team) then it does on the rest of the league? That is what the facts are saying by your and some other's hypotheses. If this is because of the mighty NFLPA's unified recommendation . . Why were so may teams immune to their authoritative decree? . If the union is the causes of this. There would have been statistical continuity across the league. The Facts are telling a diffrent story on why some Giants failed to partake in activities. The Union is just another excuse to make fans feel better why 66% of the team was a no show.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2021 7:44:13 GMT -5
Great for any fan who's loves that half the team didn't feel the need to show up at these practices.. While I don't think this isn't going to matter with how the season will go it does give a bad optic with so few attending..
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Post by GameTime on May 20, 2021 7:59:35 GMT -5
Get off my lawn Tony. Giants players showing up for voluntary workouts, after the NFLPA discouraged them from doing so, is a good thing. This isn't a tough concept to grasp. The first few replies to the thread were in line with this train of thought. It was right around post #6 when things went sideways and folks decided to make this an attendance contest with other teams across the league. The negative whirlwind grew from there. Why are you impressed by this? I see it from a different angle Most of the teams had 75% attendance . Some had 90% Those teams were also discouraged from doing so. Are you really saying the NFLPA has more influence on the Giants ( a 6 win team) then it does on the rest of the league? That is what the facts are saying by your and some other's hypotheses. If this is because of the mighty NFLPA's unified recommendation . . Why were so may teams immune to their authoritative decree? . If the union is the causes of this. There would have been statistical continuity across the league. The Facts are telling a diffrent story on why some Giants failed to partake in activities. The Union is just another excuse to make fans feel better why 66% of the team was a no show. "feel better?".......just the opposite. The Union is the reason I am pissed off that more didnt show up. Also what the did Judge say to the team? Did he say its was OK to go mostly virtual? Did he implore players to show up and they didnt? We dont know the whole story.
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Post by TEM on May 20, 2021 8:12:29 GMT -5
Why are you impressed by this? I see it from a different angle Most of the teams had 75% attendance . Some had 90% Those teams were also discouraged from doing so. Are you really saying the NFLPA has more influence on the Giants ( a 6 win team) then it does on the rest of the league? That is what the facts are saying by your and some other's hypotheses. If this is because of the mighty NFLPA's unified recommendation . . Why were so may teams immune to their authoritative decree? . If the union is the causes of this. There would have been statistical continuity across the league. The Facts are telling a diffrent story on why some Giants failed to partake in activities. The Union is just another excuse to make fans feel better why 66% of the team was a no show. "feel better?".......just the opposite. The Union is the reason I am pissed off that more didnt show up. Also what the did Judge say to the team? Did he say its was OK to go mostly virtual? Did he implore players to show up and they didnt? We dont know the whole story. Why would Judge hold camp. And hold virtual camp? How are both accomplished in tandem? The lazy stay home and watch the committed workout? i What ever the story is . The players aren't as committed as other teams' players are. If you believe it is the Union . Why is what I laid out in my previous post facts. According to some the union has more pull on the Giant players than getting ready for the season. Why does it not have the same effects on other team's players? There is not one thing that anyone on this board or in the media can tell me the Union is behind this. The attendance other teams had, that held camp is contradictory to that. My I am pissed at the players not the union.
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Post by GameTime on May 20, 2021 8:22:53 GMT -5
"feel better?".......just the opposite. The Union is the reason I am pissed off that more didnt show up. Also what the did Judge say to the team? Did he say its was OK to go mostly virtual? Did he implore players to show up and they didnt? We dont know the whole story. Why would Judge hold camp. And hold virtual camp? How are both accomplished in tandem? The lazy stay home and watch the committed workout? i What ever the story is . The players aren't as committed as other teams' players are. If you believe it is the Union . Why is what I laid out in my previous post facts. According to some the union has more pull on the Giant players than getting ready for the season. Why does it not have the same effects on other team's players? There is not one thing that anyone on this board or in the media can tell me the Union is behind this. The attendance other teams had, that held camp is contradictory to that. My I am pissed at the players not the union. its not any one thing. Its several influences. Judge said....they players who are here will be live and those who wont will do the virtual stuff
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Post by TEM on May 20, 2021 8:23:54 GMT -5
This part of OTA's are more important for rookies and tryout players, as it's mostly about reiterating things like fundamentals and team rules etc. There's not a lot of real football practice happening here. Minicamps on the other hand are the first real off season activities that matter. You see actual offense vs. defense competition and the first depth charts start to form. Well I just read a quote from Shep today that said his last two NFL coaches didn't make them do conditioning and the team would be gasping in the fourth quarter. So if all they do is wind sprints at OTAs there is a benefit.
As I said. No matter what they are doing it's more important for us than for teams like the Chiefs.
And yet KC had 90% attendance.
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Post by GameTime on May 20, 2021 8:26:45 GMT -5
"Our team is a strong, unified brotherhood of professionals who love the game of football and work year-round to perfect our craft,” the Giants' statement read in part. “We also have to make the best decisions to protect our health and safety, which is why players on our team are exercising our CBA right to not attend in-person voluntary workouts." "It's a voluntary period. So we're going to work with every player we can, whether it's virtual or in-person," he said. "Whoever's here will coach in person. Whoever's virtual for the meetings, we'll work with them virtually." www.si.com/nfl/giants/news/joe-judge-reveals-one-of-the-biggest-takeaways-from-giants-rookie-minicamp
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Post by TEM on May 20, 2021 8:26:54 GMT -5
Why would Judge hold camp. And hold virtual camp? How are both accomplished in tandem? The lazy stay home and watch the committed workout? i What ever the story is . The players aren't as committed as other teams' players are. If you believe it is the Union . Why is what I laid out in my previous post facts. According to some the union has more pull on the Giant players than getting ready for the season. Why does it not have the same effects on other team's players? There is not one thing that anyone on this board or in the media can tell me the Union is behind this. The attendance other teams had, that held camp is contradictory to that. My I am pissed at the players not the union. its not any one thing. Its several influences. Judge said....they players who are here will be live and those who wont will do the virtual stuff We had "virtual" last season . How'd that pan out for us? This is not JJ . This not the union. This is Lazy. IMO the only influence.
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Post by GameTime on May 20, 2021 8:28:04 GMT -5
its not any one thing. Its several influences. Judge said....they players who are here will be live and those who wont will do the virtual stuff We had "virtual" last season . How'd that pan out for us? This is not JJ . This not the union. This is Lazy. IMO the only influence. Bullshit....Judge is giving latitude to the players. "It's a voluntary period. So we're going to work with every player we can, whether it's virtual or in-person," he said. "Whoever's here will coach in person. Whoever's virtual for the meetings, we'll work with them virtually."
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Post by TEM on May 20, 2021 8:34:10 GMT -5
Let see how this plays out in the 2nd week of October . Week 5 . It will be blatant by then. Will it be the same old. "we need to dig ourselves out of a hole because we were not ready to play" trend continues. Or will we take a step in the right direction . The attitude the players are projecting does not ensue a feeling of confidence in me. I am will to bring this thread back up and admit I was wrong. If it is the latter.
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Post by TEM on May 20, 2021 8:39:29 GMT -5
We had "virtual" last season . How'd that pan out for us? This is not JJ . This not the union. This is Lazy. IMO the only influence. Bullshit....Judge is giving latitude to the players. "It's a voluntary period. So we're going to work with every player we can, whether it's virtual or in-person," he said. "Whoever's here will coach in person. Whoever's virtual for the meetings, we'll work with them virtually." It is not BS . Other teams had their players attend. It is that simple. Pete Carol has a set of Balls . You want sign a paper on why you do not want to practice. You don't want to attend F all you . We will just cancel V-OTAs and let the chips fall were they land. You do not see him coddling a bunch of sandbaggers.
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Post by GameTime on May 20, 2021 8:46:09 GMT -5
Bullshit....Judge is giving latitude to the players. "It's a voluntary period. So we're going to work with every player we can, whether it's virtual or in-person," he said. "Whoever's here will coach in person. Whoever's virtual for the meetings, we'll work with them virtually." It is not BS . Other teams had their players attend. It is that simple. Pete Carol has a set of Balls . You want sign a paper on why you do not want to practice. You don't want to attend F all you . We will just cancel V-OTAs and let the chips fall will they land. You do not see him coddling a bunch of sandbaggers. my point is its not just the player's attitudes Its Judge giving then the latitude to not show up. Thats what I meant about bullshit. Not putting this all on the players. Judge is doing exactly what Carroll isnt and thats what you are pissed about.
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Post by TEM on May 20, 2021 9:03:27 GMT -5
It is not BS . Other teams had their players attend. It is that simple. Pete Carol has a set of Balls . You want sign a paper on why you do not want to practice. You don't want to attend F all you . We will just cancel V-OTAs and let the chips fall will they land. You do not see him coddling a bunch of sandbaggers. my point is its not just the player's attitudes Its Judge giving then the latitude to not show up. Thats what I meant about bullshit. Not putting this all on the players. Judge is doing exactly what Carroll isnt and thats what you are pissed about. I am not pissed at him. I am pissed at the fact the players for placing him in the position to coddle them. 6 wins should be motivation enough to get their butts top practice.
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Post by Morehead State on May 20, 2021 9:09:37 GMT -5
Get off my lawn Tony. Giants players showing up for voluntary workouts, after the NFLPA discouraged them from doing so, is a good thing. This isn't a tough concept to grasp. The first few replies to the thread were in line with this train of thought. It was right around post #6 when things went sideways and folks decided to make this an attendance contest with other teams across the league. The negative whirlwind grew from there. But we showed up at a much lower rate than most teams. Either you are setting the bar at an incredibly low level, or you aren't understanding what's going on around the league.
Just not sure how you're happy about this voluntary workout turnout.
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Post by GameTime on May 20, 2021 9:15:40 GMT -5
my point is its not just the player's attitudes Its Judge giving then the latitude to not show up. Thats what I meant about bullshit. Not putting this all on the players. Judge is doing exactly what Carroll isnt and thats what you are pissed about. I am not pissed at him. I am pissed at the fact the players for placing him in the position to coddle them. 6 wins should be motivation enough to get their butts top practice. so now the players dictate to Judge how he will coach? If thats the case then he will fail as an NFL coach. Judge is trying to play both sides and looking for neutral ground. he is giving them the chpice along with the NFLPA request. I realize its "voluntary" but from what he is saying to the media he not putting pressure on his players
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