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Post by Roosevelt on May 24, 2021 22:12:20 GMT -5
Looks like he's working hard.
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Post by idkaname on May 24, 2021 22:13:13 GMT -5
Agreed. He’s not the only QB who locks onto his receivers. People think he has a pocket awareness issue because he’s been getting killed on the blindside for 2 years because of bad LT play. 83 sacks will do that. he absolutely does.... He has pocket awareness issues above and beyond the oline issues. Its evident every game he has played just about. I like Jones a lot and think he gets passed his flaws and becomes a very good NFL QB I disagree...I think his problem is he trusts his OL too much...he’s always played with bad protection so I think he tends to trust them to protect cuz this is some of the best protection he’s had. Yep it was that bad at duke Not to mention he’s a young gun still gaining experience in the league. Once he’s comfortable (which he was looking toward the end of last year) he’ll have more confidence and poise
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Post by idkaname on May 24, 2021 22:15:37 GMT -5
Looks like he's working hard. way more ripped than Eli 😃
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 1:41:59 GMT -5
Hope I am wrong of course, but the things he needs correcting and obvious weaknesses in his game lean me towards a no, he will not be....
We will know after this year
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Post by GameTime on May 25, 2021 5:09:09 GMT -5
he absolutely does.... He has pocket awareness issues above and beyond the oline issues. Its evident every game he has played just about. I like Jones a lot and think he gets passed his flaws and becomes a very good NFL QB I disagree...I think his problem is he trusts his OL too much...he’s always played with bad protection so I think he tends to trust them to protect cuz this is some of the best protection he’s had. Yep it was that bad at duke Not to mention he’s a young gun still gaining experience in the league. Once he’s comfortable (which he was looking toward the end of last year) he’ll have more confidence and poise He never had a good OL but he trusts this one? I get he he is young and all that and I am not dissing the kid at all. Just what I see on a weekly basis. He hangs in the pocket tough and there is no doubt about that. But the clock in his head needs to speed up and he has to be more aware if whats going on. He has confidence and poise as well. He doesnt panic in the pocket at all he just needs to get that sense of urgency a bit.
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Post by GameTime on May 25, 2021 5:12:06 GMT -5
Looks like he's working hard. there are no doubts about his work ethic.
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Post by Delicreep on May 25, 2021 5:47:13 GMT -5
Hope I am wrong of course, but the things he needs correcting and obvious weaknesses in his game lean me towards a no, he will not be.... We will know after this year Guy has shown flashed, for certain, but a franchise QB is about very consistent, above average play. Big leap from where he is now. Obviously, we are all pulling for him.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 7:51:43 GMT -5
Hope I am wrong of course, but the things he needs correcting and obvious weaknesses in his game lean me towards a no, he will not be.... We will know after this year Will we?? If the oline doesn't take a giant step forward or the standard players get injured again then that'll be the excuse again. Hope those of us in this camp are wrong and Jones wins a title before leaving
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Post by ratbastich on May 25, 2021 8:13:35 GMT -5
I know this is a prediction thread but I still don't really feel that he is or isn't. The place they picked him he should be, but he has only been the QB for 2 seasons and one of them was a strange season. He has a lot of work to do.
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Post by giantlegacy on May 25, 2021 8:35:00 GMT -5
Small sample size but ....
Next Gen Stats' top 10 deep passers of 2020: Aaron Rodgers lands at No. 4
Rank 1
Daniel Jones New York Giants · QB
Deep attempts: 19-of-39, 636 yards, 5:0 TD-to-INT ratio, 134.3 passer rating Comp: 48.7% xComp: 33.9% CPOE: +14.8%
Taking into consideration the receivers he had to work with that is a very telling stat. Bigtime
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Post by Roosevelt on May 25, 2021 9:13:59 GMT -5
I know this is a prediction thread but I still don't really feel that he is or isn't. The place they picked him he should be, but he has only been the QB for 2 seasons and one of them was a strange season. He has a lot of work to do. I look at it in the sense of whether he can or cannot, rather than if he will or not, and I say hell yes based off what I've seen from him.
He's dedicated, he's got the arm, the brains, and the athleticism to get it done. He also has the clutch "gene" as well.
He's 23 years old, in just his third season, but more importantly entering his first pro season with the same OC/system. At that same time he's got some new weapons at his disposal plus the return of a pretty special RB. I fully expect Daniel Jones and the Giants to make some noise this year.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on May 25, 2021 9:28:25 GMT -5
Looks like he's working hard. Looks like he's working hard. way more ripped than Eli 😃 i dont get the Eli duplicate comments. He is mobile. More athletic and more accurate. He looks to throw longer and imo better looking.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 10:41:45 GMT -5
Hope I am wrong of course, but the things he needs correcting and obvious weaknesses in his game lean me towards a no, he will not be.... We will know after this year Guy has shown flashed, for certain, but a franchise QB is about very consistent, above average play. Big leap from where he is now. Obviously, we are all pulling for him. Yeah, hoping for the absolute best....but as you say, he has to become consistent in his good traits. The toughest aspect I see for him will be translating pocket awareness into his game on a play by play basis...something that even coaching and more reps at times, does not work for certain QB's.
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Post by IrishMike on May 25, 2021 10:54:43 GMT -5
Did I read this right? Daniel Jones, the same Jones who tripped over a sprinkler head on his 80 yard run, and would lose his hand if it wasn’t attached to his wrist. Is going to be in the talks of MVP? The only way Jones would be in the discussion of MVP of the league. Is by asking Aaron Rodgers how it feels to win it. No way, no how will he be amongst the best in the league. He would have to put up off the chart numbers to get even a thought of MVP. To go from shit, to great in a year is extremely hard. This isn’t optimism, this is insanity. Of course it is hard, otherwise no QB would ever get cut and they would all be amazing. That is how good I think Jones can be and with the weapons around him that's how good I think he will be this year. People talked about Josh Allen as the MVP last year. I think Jones can do at least that good this year.
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Post by Fletch842 on May 25, 2021 10:57:46 GMT -5
Looks like he's working hard. way more ripped than Eli 😃 i dont get the Eli duplicate comments. He is mobile. More athletic and more accurate. He looks to throw longer and imo better looking. they have very similar demeanor's, is why, and you are right that their playing styles couldn't be more different.
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Post by Kruunch on May 25, 2021 12:49:44 GMT -5
Did I read this right? Daniel Jones, the same Jones who tripped over a sprinkler head on his 80 yard run, and would lose his hand if it wasn’t attached to his wrist. Is going to be in the talks of MVP? The only way Jones would be in the discussion of MVP of the league. Is by asking Aaron Rodgers how it feels to win it. No way, no how will he be amongst the best in the league. He would have to put up off the chart numbers to get even a thought of MVP. To go from shit, to great in a year is extremely hard. This isn’t optimism, this is insanity. Of course it is hard, otherwise no QB would ever get cut and they would all be amazing. That is how good I think Jones can be and with the weapons around him that's how good I think he will be this year. People talked about Josh Allen as the MVP last year. I think Jones can do at least that good this year. Josh Allen got better each year since he’s been in the league. It’s the opposite for Jones, he actually got worse. If you said he would bounce back and have a productive season. I would agree, to say he will be in talks for league MVP. It’s fan talk..
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Post by Bigjeep on May 25, 2021 13:04:45 GMT -5
He better be! Seriously, we don't need another Johnny Unitas ( I'm old ) just a QB that can manage the offense with talent around him. We won't know until we get a solid OL in front of him. Until then, its all up in the air!
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Post by vinnie on May 25, 2021 13:08:09 GMT -5
Hope I am wrong of course, but the things he needs correcting and obvious weaknesses in his game lean me towards a no, he will not be.... We will know after this year Will we?? If the oline doesn't take a giant step forward or the standard players get injured again then that'll be the excuse again. Hope those of us in this camp are wrong and Jones wins a title before leaving That would be a nightmare scenario. As I’ve said before, I don’t trust the O line but if the O line does play well, I’d rather see Jones doesn’t play lights out (obviously) or fall flat on his face. Worst case would be O line plays ok, Jones shows minimal progress and they use the 2 first round picks next year on the O line instead of drafting almost any QB they want for a minimal price tag considering the picks we’ll have. If we want a new QB, next year will be the best capital we have to do it without sacrificing the future. Unless they are a 100% sure on Jones, they need to draft a QB.
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Post by GameTime on May 25, 2021 13:27:21 GMT -5
Will we?? If the oline doesn't take a giant step forward or the standard players get injured again then that'll be the excuse again. Hope those of us in this camp are wrong and Jones wins a title before leaving That would be a nightmare scenario. As I’ve said before, I don’t trust the O line but if the O line does play well, I’d rather see Jones doesn’t play lights out (obviously) or fall flat on his face. Worst case would be O line plays ok, Jones shows minimal progress and they use the 2 first round picks next year on the O line instead of drafting almost any QB they want for a minimal price tag considering the picks we’ll have. If we want a new QB, next year will be the best capital we have to do it without sacrificing the future. Unless they are a 100% sure on Jones, they need to draft a QB. how about "you'd rather see the oline play AND Jones play well. In what scenario would you not want to see Jones play lights out? I am not getting this at all.
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Post by GameTime on May 25, 2021 13:28:25 GMT -5
Hope I am wrong of course, but the things he needs correcting and obvious weaknesses in his game lean me towards a no, he will not be.... We will know after this year Will we?? If the oline doesn't take a giant step forward or the standard players get injured again then that'll be the excuse again. Hope those of us in this camp are wrong and Jones wins a title before leaving a legit flaw whether with the OL or with Jones is not an excuse its an actual valid reason.
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Post by ocgiant on May 25, 2021 14:03:37 GMT -5
he absolutely does.... He has pocket awareness issues above and beyond the oline issues. Its evident every game he has played just about. I like Jones a lot and think he gets passed his flaws and becomes a very good NFL QB I disagree...I think his problem is he trusts his OL too much...he’s always played with bad protection so I think he tends to trust them to protect cuz this is some of the best protection he’s had. Yep it was that bad at duke Not to mention he’s a young gun still gaining experience in the league. Once he’s comfortable (which he was looking toward the end of last year) he’ll have more confidence and poise One of the reasons he was drafted was because DJ performed well with a bad OL at Duke. Giants believed he would fit well with an OL in a rebuild. Unfortunately, it's not there yet IMO. If I was him I would not have trusted the OL at Duke or the Giants. DJ needs more time to throw downfield which is on the OL to provide and he'd better have worked really hard on his pocket awareness and a quick release or he may be getting killed again this season.
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Post by Kruunch on May 25, 2021 14:10:23 GMT -5
I disagree...I think his problem is he trusts his OL too much...he’s always played with bad protection so I think he tends to trust them to protect cuz this is some of the best protection he’s had. Yep it was that bad at duke Not to mention he’s a young gun still gaining experience in the league. Once he’s comfortable (which he was looking toward the end of last year) he’ll have more confidence and poise One of the reasons he was drafted was because DJ performed well with a bad OL at Duke. Giants believed he would fit well with an OL in a rebuild. Unfortunately, it's not there yet IMO. If I was him I would not have trusted the OL at Duke or the Giants. DJ needs more time to throw downfield which is on the OL to provide and he'd better have worked really hard on his pocket awareness and a quick release or he may be getting killed again this season. Fair post.. You didn’t crown him anything, or give him unrealistic numbers to achieve. You pointed out an issue of his. (Pocket awareness) and that he has been playing behind subpar lineman dating back to College. A realistic assessment of Jones would be. He’s a hard worker who has the tools to be an NFL quarterback. What he does with that is up to him and his teammates. The success of our season will be on his shoulders. If we want to move out of the basement of the division, we must have solid play from our quarterback.
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Post by McCherry on May 25, 2021 14:16:55 GMT -5
Of course it is hard, otherwise no QB would ever get cut and they would all be amazing. That is how good I think Jones can be and with the weapons around him that's how good I think he will be this year. People talked about Josh Allen as the MVP last year. I think Jones can do at least that good this year. Josh Allen got better each year since he’s been in the league. It’s the opposite for Jones, he actually got worse. If you said he would bounce back and have a productive season. I would agree, to say he will be in talks for league MVP. It’s fan talk.. Where did he get worse? He actually improved in most meaningful categories.
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Post by Kruunch on May 25, 2021 14:19:24 GMT -5
Josh Allen got better each year since he’s been in the league. It’s the opposite for Jones, he actually got worse. If you said he would bounce back and have a productive season. I would agree, to say he will be in talks for league MVP. It’s fan talk.. Where did he get worse? He actually improved in every meaningful category. 7 games he didn’t throw a single touchdown. His rookie season, he was converting those drives to touchdowns. He still averaged a turnover a game, and he got hurt again. Other than that, he’s improving.
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Post by Nick6475 on May 25, 2021 14:30:03 GMT -5
Josh Allen got better each year since he’s been in the league. It’s the opposite for Jones, he actually got worse. If you said he would bounce back and have a productive season. I would agree, to say he will be in talks for league MVP. It’s fan talk.. Where did he get worse? He actually improved in most meaningful categories. I would consider his TD/INT ratio a pretty meaningful category and going from 24/12 to 11/10 does not sound like improvement to me. Don't get me wrong, I think he improved in some other areas, but 11/10 is pretty awful for an NFL QB.
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Post by ocgiant on May 25, 2021 15:44:17 GMT -5
One of the reasons he was drafted was because DJ performed well with a bad OL at Duke. Giants believed he would fit well with an OL in a rebuild. Unfortunately, it's not there yet IMO. If I was him I would not have trusted the OL at Duke or the Giants. DJ needs more time to throw downfield which is on the OL to provide and he'd better have worked really hard on his pocket awareness and a quick release or he may be getting killed again this season. Fair post.. You didn’t crown him anything, or give him unrealistic numbers to achieve. You pointed out an issue of his. (Pocket awareness) and that he has been playing behind subpar lineman dating back to College. A realistic assessment of Jones would be. He’s a hard worker who has the tools to be an NFL quarterback. What he does with that is up to him and his teammates. The success of our season will be on his shoulders. If we want to move out of the basement of the division, we must have solid play from our quarterback. As you mention, DJ has all the things you'd look for in a Pro QB which should prepare him for that "pressure" in a good positive way leading this team. My expectation is he takes that next step in his career playing more consistent, now with two season's experience under his belt. To me, he does not have to have an MVP candidate type season either, just keep the Giants in some of those close games and pull out some W's. Finally, the crowning achievement would be for the Giants making the post season; that would be great experience for DJ but the rest of team as well. I will take this season outcome any day!
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Post by McCherry on May 25, 2021 15:46:42 GMT -5
Where did he get worse? He actually improved in every meaningful category. 7 games he didn’t throw a single touchdown. His rookie season, he was converting those drives to touchdowns. He still averaged a turnover a game, and he got hurt again. Other than that, he’s improving. I would never look at TD totals as any measure of a QB’s skill. Otherwise plenty of backups would still be starters. Outside of 2 games, Jones was awful in 2019. The team was literally non-competitive with him starting.. In the second half of 2020 Jones had some of the best overall games of his career. Yet for some reason fans have this unrealistic opinion of Jones based solely on touchdowns.
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Post by McCherry on May 25, 2021 15:52:10 GMT -5
Where did he get worse? He actually improved in most meaningful categories. I would consider his TD/INT ratio a pretty meaningful category and going from 24/12 to 11/10 does not sound like improvement to me. Don't get me wrong, I think he improved in some other areas, but 11/10 is pretty awful for an NFL QB. that’s glossing over a lot of other factors that played into it.
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Post by Vandelay on May 25, 2021 16:03:04 GMT -5
LMAO ! Doesn’t the fact you have to post this tell you something ? um.. NO ! Not a franchise QB. Fans are swayed into believing he is a franchise QB because he was the #6 overall pick and we had no business selecting him there. I’m not not even sure he’s worthy of a 2nd round selection. 3rd round pick in my estimation...
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Post by GameTime on May 25, 2021 16:11:13 GMT -5
LMAO ! Doesn’t the fact you have to post this tell you something ? um.. NO ! Not a franchise QB. Fans are swayed into believing he is a franchise QB because he was the #6 overall pick and we had no business selecting him there. I’m not not even sure he’s worthy of a 2nd round selection. 3rd round pick in my estimation... with very few exceptions no QB is a franchise QB in 2 seasons. I dont think any fans think he is yet although many believe he can be.
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