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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 10, 2021 20:53:18 GMT -5
What I think he does a better job of is getting young guys coached up and on the field TC and his staff struggled with that mightily. TC got better as time went on with being a communicator Judge seems to have a natural knack for it. Tom Coughlin got a bunch of kids and an expansion team that was still in its infancy to the AFC Championship game. It also depends on the definition of “communication.” Being your friend, and patting you on the butt when you need it? That’s not Tom Coughlin, he’s going to ride you. And when you are ready to quit, ride you harder. Judge is a well spoken coach. Who knows what to say and when to say it. Wasn’t aware that means he’s a master of communication skills. Think Judge is a hard driving coach also, Tom was a great coach for this franchise and did a great job with the Jags his general managerial skills suffered in Jville when it came to the cap that was their down fall, he was best on the sidelines even he had to lighten up tho.
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Post by Speedman on Jul 10, 2021 21:28:18 GMT -5
What I think he does a better job of is getting young guys coached up and on the field TC and his staff struggled with that mightily. TC got better as time went on with being a communicator Judge seems to have a natural knack for it. Tom Coughlin got a bunch of kids and an expansion team that was still in its infancy to the AFC Championship game. It also depends on the definition of “communication.” Being your friend, and patting you on the butt when you need it? That’s not Tom Coughlin, he’s going to ride you. And when you are ready to quit, ride you harder. Judge is a well spoken coach. Who knows what to say and when to say it. Wasn’t aware that means he’s a master of communication skills. What?
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 10, 2021 21:39:33 GMT -5
Tom Coughlin got a bunch of kids and an expansion team that was still in its infancy to the AFC Championship game. It also depends on the definition of “communication.” Being your friend, and patting you on the butt when you need it? That’s not Tom Coughlin, he’s going to ride you. And when you are ready to quit, ride you harder. Judge is a well spoken coach. Who knows what to say and when to say it. Wasn’t aware that means he’s a master of communication skills. What? Tom Coughlin was great at communicating to his players. He was a major dick head, however he was a winner at College and two different organizations in the pros. You don’t get that with having anything less than great communication.
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Post by Speedman on Jul 11, 2021 1:47:21 GMT -5
Tom Coughlin was great at communicating to his players. He was a major dick head, however he was a winner at College and two different organizations in the pros. You don’t get that with having anything less than great communication. I would think that knowing what to say and when to say it is a big part of being a good communicator.
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Post by JoeyCush on Jul 11, 2021 10:02:02 GMT -5
I think the Giants are finally caught up to the rest of the league after being behind in nearly every way possible for years. Hopefully they can put it together.
If this season is a failure and DG is gone, then whoever the new GM is would be walking into a pretty good situation.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 11, 2021 10:59:21 GMT -5
I know I'm in the minority but if it was me I would already have given DG an extension. To say I'm in the minority is probably an exaggeration I'm on a deserted island. HaHa
But DG has us sitting pretty going into next year specifically and the next 3 years outlook is very strong. The cap going back up next year regaining the 15 mil they lost this year. And with all those draft choices cap friendly compared to FA. And 2 years from now when the cap explodes with the new TV contracts we'll be on equal footing with any other team if not ahead.
DG has accomplished putting a strong team together this season and it should be significantly stronger next year. He isn't a coach or a player he is doing his part in building a winner. IMO he has messed up with hiring a HC but his 2nd try I think he has success. I've come around on Judge from we'll see to I like him.
I hope we don't jettison everything and everybody if things go sideways. But it's been a long time as a losing organization. Not only losing but up until last year we weren't even competitive. Last year we were in almost every game with a chance to win. But being so bad the last 3 years and 6 out of 7 the fan base is restless.
But imo I'm bringing back DG, Judge, and yes even Jones next year unless something unforseen happens really bad. That island is getting lonely.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 11, 2021 11:26:41 GMT -5
2020 was the set up year and a perfect year to have a mulligan/throw away type year witb the circumstances
Getting 16 games on film with virtually every player on the 53 Getting significant playing time and passing a litteral final exam vs Dallas week 17..
I'm in tbe 10/11 win expectation range this year and a playoff spot (provided there isn't another division that has a team with an 8-9 type record winning a division
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 11, 2021 11:30:21 GMT -5
I know I'm in the minority but if it was me I would already have given DG an extension. To say I'm in the minority is probably an exaggeration I'm on a deserted island. HaHa But DG has us sitting pretty going into next year specifically and the next 3 years outlook is very strong. The cap going back up next year regaining the 15 mil they lost this year. And with all those draft choices cap friendly compared to FA. And 2 years from now when the cap explodes with the new TV contracts we'll be on equal footing with any other team if not ahead. DG has accomplished putting a strong team together this season and it should be significantly stronger next year. He isn't a coach or a player he is doing his part in building a winner. IMO he has messed up with hiring a HC but his 2nd try I think he has success. I've come around on Judge from we'll see to I like him. I hope we don't jettison everything and everybody if things go sideways. But it's been a long time as a losing organization. Not only losing but up until last year we weren't even competitive. Last year we were in almost every game with a chance to win. But being so bad the last 3 years and 6 out of 7 the fan base is restless. But imo I'm bringing back DG, Judge, and yes even Jones next year unless something unforseen happens really bad. That island is getting lonely. DG might not want an extension,which is why he is on his last year with none pending (Giants never do lame duck situations with important people...coaches and even qbs(which is why I still suspect that Eli had to he talked into coming back for his last year )... I think DG moves into a consulting type role and is grooming his replacement
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Post by Jomo on Jul 11, 2021 11:32:19 GMT -5
The great franchise are always reloading and never rebuilding. We need to leave the rebuilding behind once and for all. Funny Jomo this is so spot on I thought back in 2007 JR had a great draft then we win the super bowl I was believing in the Giants big time that Reese and at that time Gettlemen and company were gonna have us in contention year in and year out. This just proves teams can't afford to blow 1 draft when it turns into multiple drafts the hole gets mighty deep really fast. We were on top of the world all that had to be done is maintaining a strong roster. Easier said then done. We must have been neighbors around that 2007 draft. I remember thinking we were set for the long haul assuming that JR had a unique eye for picking talent. It took me many terrible drafts to let go of that notion. DG has made his share of mistakes but on balance our talent level has improved and the drafts have clearly been better that the previous 7 or 8 years before his return. That said, it is time to win or else it is time to blow up the front office again.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 11, 2021 11:59:49 GMT -5
I know I'm in the minority but if it was me I would already have given DG an extension. To say I'm in the minority is probably an exaggeration I'm on a deserted island. HaHa But DG has us sitting pretty going into next year specifically and the next 3 years outlook is very strong. The cap going back up next year regaining the 15 mil they lost this year. And with all those draft choices cap friendly compared to FA. And 2 years from now when the cap explodes with the new TV contracts we'll be on equal footing with any other team if not ahead. DG has accomplished putting a strong team together this season and it should be significantly stronger next year. He isn't a coach or a player he is doing his part in building a winner. IMO he has messed up with hiring a HC but his 2nd try I think he has success. I've come around on Judge from we'll see to I like him. I hope we don't jettison everything and everybody if things go sideways. But it's been a long time as a losing organization. Not only losing but up until last year we weren't even competitive. Last year we were in almost every game with a chance to win. But being so bad the last 3 years and 6 out of 7 the fan base is restless. But imo I'm bringing back DG, Judge, and yes even Jones next year unless something unforseen happens really bad. That island is getting lonely. You’re nuts.. You’re nuttier than the Planters peanut factory. Mediocrity should be released, not extended. Maybe, and I mean maybe. He set us up for future success. No one knows, only time will tell. However, you do not give an extension to a dinosaur who has kept this franchise in quicksand. The Dave Gettleman era has been repeated kicks to the balls, with an occasional breather to recover..
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Post by Martin on Jul 11, 2021 12:11:32 GMT -5
I know I'm in the minority but if it was me I would already have given DG an extension. To say I'm in the minority is probably an exaggeration I'm on a deserted island. HaHa But DG has us sitting pretty going into next year specifically and the next 3 years outlook is very strong. The cap going back up next year regaining the 15 mil they lost this year. And with all those draft choices cap friendly compared to FA. And 2 years from now when the cap explodes with the new TV contracts we'll be on equal footing with any other team if not ahead. DG has accomplished putting a strong team together this season and it should be significantly stronger next year. He isn't a coach or a player he is doing his part in building a winner. IMO he has messed up with hiring a HC but his 2nd try I think he has success. I've come around on Judge from we'll see to I like him. I hope we don't jettison everything and everybody if things go sideways. But it's been a long time as a losing organization. Not only losing but up until last year we weren't even competitive. Last year we were in almost every game with a chance to win. But being so bad the last 3 years and 6 out of 7 the fan base is restless. But imo I'm bringing back DG, Judge, and yes even Jones next year unless something unforseen happens really bad. That island is getting lonely. How bad does it have to get? It's been 10 years of frightened football. The island you're talking about is "Nightmare Island". If you want to stay on that island then you're a better man than me. Bring them all back? Someone throw me a life raft!
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Post by Kase1 on Jul 11, 2021 12:15:55 GMT -5
Is 2021 a fine tuning season for 2022 or is this current team a legit play-off contender? I believe they are going to win more games this season and then next season go deep into the playoffs maybe SB bound? Only two obstacles 1) OL and 2) DJ establishes himself at the Franchise OB. 2021 is a make or break season for alot of people in the organization (DJ, DG, SQB, etc). If we show any sort of progress in 21, like we did at the end of 2020, we are going to be a contender for years to come
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 11, 2021 12:19:24 GMT -5
I know I'm in the minority but if it was me I would already have given DG an extension. To say I'm in the minority is probably an exaggeration I'm on a deserted island. HaHa But DG has us sitting pretty going into next year specifically and the next 3 years outlook is very strong. The cap going back up next year regaining the 15 mil they lost this year. And with all those draft choices cap friendly compared to FA. And 2 years from now when the cap explodes with the new TV contracts we'll be on equal footing with any other team if not ahead. DG has accomplished putting a strong team together this season and it should be significantly stronger next year. He isn't a coach or a player he is doing his part in building a winner. IMO he has messed up with hiring a HC but his 2nd try I think he has success. I've come around on Judge from we'll see to I like him. I hope we don't jettison everything and everybody if things go sideways. But it's been a long time as a losing organization. Not only losing but up until last year we weren't even competitive. Last year we were in almost every game with a chance to win. But being so bad the last 3 years and 6 out of 7 the fan base is restless. But imo I'm bringing back DG, Judge, and yes even Jones next year unless something unforseen happens really bad. That island is getting lonely. How bad does it have to get? It's been 10 years of frightened football. The island you're talking about is "Nightmare Island". If you want to stay on that island then you're a better man than me. Bring them all back? Someone throw me a life raft! More like Gilligans Island..
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Post by Martin on Jul 11, 2021 12:25:50 GMT -5
How bad does it have to get? It's been 10 years of frightened football. The island you're talking about is "Nightmare Island". If you want to stay on that island then you're a better man than me. Bring them all back? Someone throw me a life raft! More like Giligans Island.. I would rather have Mr. Magoo as GM.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 11, 2021 12:33:13 GMT -5
More like Giligans Island.. I would rather have Mr. Magoo as GM. You might get your wish. Kevin Abrams is the next man up.
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Post by Martin on Jul 11, 2021 12:44:30 GMT -5
I would rather have Mr. Magoo as GM. You might get your wish. Kevin Abrams is the next man up. The Giants have a new motto from Dr. Smith / "Lost in Space"..... "Oh the pain"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 7:15:38 GMT -5
Tired of waiting for next year!!
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Post by Rangers13 on Jul 12, 2021 9:14:31 GMT -5
Tired of waiting for next year!! yeah, thread title reeks of next year . . . again. Playoffs are a must this year imo.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jul 12, 2021 9:54:52 GMT -5
It certainly seems we have the right coach in place for that to happen. But the. that begs the question why did this team collapse under Coughlin? I think about that a lot, I think at one point we were filling the roster with low level free agents they weren't drafting good enough players and they were in cap hell after the 2011 season it seams. These were not players drafted and born Giants they weren't TC guys the only one left at the end of 2015 was Eli, they even weeded out his coaching staff before they finally let him go, These are the things that made this organization a Cluster #$@%. My biggest question has always been at the end of 2015 or even 2014 they were terribly embarrassing both years probably including 2013 why didn't they just clean house instead they wasted another 4 or 5 year by trying to buy a competitive team it got them one embarrassing playoff appearance and cap hell till 2020. Kind of long but that is my take. Two things: 1. Exceptionally poor drafting in rounds 3-7 starting in 2008. While teams generally have low hit rates on those picks, we went some 7 or 8 years without signing a single rd 3 or later draft pick to a second contract. That hollows out your team and you're forced to use your FA money to fill bunches of roster spots with just NFL level talent vs. actually improving the roster. 2. This team had really really bad injury luck. Phillips, Nicks, Cruz, Wilson are just a few names off the top of my head of guys that were all supposed to be important core pieces whose careers were destroyed by injury. Every team has some of this, but we were seeing guys have career ending injuries on an annual basis at one point.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 12, 2021 10:26:28 GMT -5
I know I'm in the minority but if it was me I would already have given DG an extension. To say I'm in the minority is probably an exaggeration I'm on a deserted island. HaHa But DG has us sitting pretty going into next year specifically and the next 3 years outlook is very strong. The cap going back up next year regaining the 15 mil they lost this year. And with all those draft choices cap friendly compared to FA. And 2 years from now when the cap explodes with the new TV contracts we'll be on equal footing with any other team if not ahead. DG has accomplished putting a strong team together this season and it should be significantly stronger next year. He isn't a coach or a player he is doing his part in building a winner. IMO he has messed up with hiring a HC but his 2nd try I think he has success. I've come around on Judge from we'll see to I like him. I hope we don't jettison everything and everybody if things go sideways. But it's been a long time as a losing organization. Not only losing but up until last year we weren't even competitive. Last year we were in almost every game with a chance to win. But being so bad the last 3 years and 6 out of 7 the fan base is restless. But imo I'm bringing back DG, Judge, and yes even Jones next year unless something unforseen happens really bad. That island is getting lonely. You’re nuts.. You’re nuttier than the Planters peanut factory. Mediocrity should be released, not extended. Maybe, and I mean maybe. He set us up for future success. No one knows, only time will tell. However, you do not give an extension to a dinosaur who has kept this franchise in quicksand. The Dave Gettleman era has been repeated kicks to the balls, with an occasional breather to recover.. I never said that I'm not nuts. I just haven't admitted to it. Listen this is why I think we got the right people finally. We were a damn bad team before DG got here, no need to go over that mess again. In 3 years now going into his 4th he has rebuilt the whole damn team. We actually have some top young players and players hitting their prime LW, Bradbury, Martinez, Peppers, and players coming into their best years Dex, Adoree, top potential guys Barkley, McKinney, Andrews, Ojulari, Toney. These last 5 can be real stars in this league in Barkleys case. The others should all be damn good to all stars. DG brought these guys here did everyone think that this team was turning around in one year ? Are we better now than before he got here. Yes we had to go through terrible years to get these players. But that's what happened when we built our team with LT and Simms. Simms was under fire for his first 4-5 years. Hell Parcells benched him for Brunnell. When we drafted LT the year before we won 1 game. The team is has pulled out of the nose dive lets not ruin this team that is about to turn around. That's the way I feel. Not popular but it's what I think.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 12, 2021 10:34:05 GMT -5
I know I'm in the minority but if it was me I would already have given DG an extension. To say I'm in the minority is probably an exaggeration I'm on a deserted island. HaHa But DG has us sitting pretty going into next year specifically and the next 3 years outlook is very strong. The cap going back up next year regaining the 15 mil they lost this year. And with all those draft choices cap friendly compared to FA. And 2 years from now when the cap explodes with the new TV contracts we'll be on equal footing with any other team if not ahead. DG has accomplished putting a strong team together this season and it should be significantly stronger next year. He isn't a coach or a player he is doing his part in building a winner. IMO he has messed up with hiring a HC but his 2nd try I think he has success. I've come around on Judge from we'll see to I like him. I hope we don't jettison everything and everybody if things go sideways. But it's been a long time as a losing organization. Not only losing but up until last year we weren't even competitive. Last year we were in almost every game with a chance to win. But being so bad the last 3 years and 6 out of 7 the fan base is restless. But imo I'm bringing back DG, Judge, and yes even Jones next year unless something unforseen happens really bad. That island is getting lonely. How bad does it have to get? It's been 10 years of frightened football. The island you're talking about is "Nightmare Island". If you want to stay on that island then you're a better man than me. Bring them all back? Someone throw me a life raft! HaHa, Martin I just don't want to do anything that messes up this rebuild. We are about to become a good football team. This team is a whole lot better now than before DG got here. He has put together more talent on the team in now going into his 4th year than we've had in close to a decade. That's the way I'm looking at it. I think it's working did anyone think this was a 1 -2 year fix when DG took over ? Really ? The future for the next couple years looks as bright as I remember for I don't know how long. Hope DG stays for another 3 years. I feel he's built a winning football team, I like what he's done.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 10:54:05 GMT -5
How bad does it have to get? It's been 10 years of frightened football. The island you're talking about is "Nightmare Island". If you want to stay on that island then you're a better man than me. Bring them all back? Someone throw me a life raft! HaHa, Martin I just don't want to do anything that messes up this rebuild. We are about to become a good football team. This team is a whole lot better now than before DG got here. He has put together more talent on the team in now going into his 4th year than we've had in close to a decade. That's the way I'm looking at it. I think it's working did anyone think this was a 1 -2 year fix when DG took over ? Really ? The future for the next couple years looks as bright as I remember for I don't know how long. Hope DG stays for another 3 years. I feel he's built a winning football team, I like what he's done. This is one the craziest things I've read out here in a while!! How is 15-33 considered winning? Too funny! Congrats and thanks for the humor..
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Post by Nick6475 on Jul 12, 2021 10:58:05 GMT -5
This team is ready to win on paper, but paper does not win games. All of the key contributors that are making everyone feel good about this team have had serious injury issues within the last year or two. IF they all remain relatively healthy, this team has run out of excuses for not winning.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 12, 2021 11:06:33 GMT -5
I think about that a lot, I think at one point we were filling the roster with low level free agents they weren't drafting good enough players and they were in cap hell after the 2011 season it seams. These were not players drafted and born Giants they weren't TC guys the only one left at the end of 2015 was Eli, they even weeded out his coaching staff before they finally let him go, These are the things that made this organization a Cluster #$@%. My biggest question has always been at the end of 2015 or even 2014 they were terribly embarrassing both years probably including 2013 why didn't they just clean house instead they wasted another 4 or 5 year by trying to buy a competitive team it got them one embarrassing playoff appearance and cap hell till 2020. Kind of long but that is my take. Two things: 1. Exceptionally poor drafting in rounds 3-7 starting in 2008. While teams generally have low hit rates on those picks, we went some 7 or 8 years without signing a single rd 3 or later draft pick to a second contract. That hollows out your team and you're forced to use your FA money to fill bunches of roster spots with just NFL level talent vs. actually improving the roster. 2. This team had really really bad injury luck. Phillips, Nicks, Cruz, Wilson are just a few names off the top of my head of guys that were all supposed to be important core pieces whose careers were destroyed by injury. Every team has some of this, but we were seeing guys have career ending injuries on an annual basis at one point. We also whiffed completely on two top 10 picks in 3 years (Flowers and Apple) ... huge factor in the demise of the roster
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 12, 2021 11:30:00 GMT -5
HaHa, Martin I just don't want to do anything that messes up this rebuild. We are about to become a good football team. This team is a whole lot better now than before DG got here. He has put together more talent on the team in now going into his 4th year than we've had in close to a decade. That's the way I'm looking at it. I think it's working did anyone think this was a 1 -2 year fix when DG took over ? Really ? The future for the next couple years looks as bright as I remember for I don't know how long. Hope DG stays for another 3 years. I feel he's built a winning football team, I like what he's done. This is one the craziest things I've read out here in a while!! How is 15-33 considered winning? Too funny! Congrats and thanks for the humor.. I said he built a winning team, instead I should have said building a winning team. I'm talking about going into this season we look as strong as I can remember. That's the way I feel. We all know how bad our records have been. But I feel were in much better shape going into this season it seems to me. And next year looks damn bright as well. That was put together by DG. I like the team he put together and I feel were about to reap the rewards starting this season. Did anybody think this was a 1-2 year fix when he got here ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 11:39:21 GMT -5
This is one the craziest things I've read out here in a while!! How is 15-33 considered winning? Too funny! Congrats and thanks for the humor.. I said he built a winning team, instead I should have said building a winning team. I'm talking about going into this season we look as strong as I can remember. That's the way I feel. We all know how bad our records have been. But I feel were in much better shape going into this season it seems to me. And next year looks damn bright as well. That was put together by DG. I like the team he put together and I feel were about to reap the rewards starting this season. Did anybody think this was a 1-2 year fix when he got here ?This is year 4 of being the worse team in the league during Getty's span.. Signing on some injured players in FA might make you feel like the build is complete which I hope you are correct but there is no reason to be praising and resigning the person responsible for making this team a winning one until you know they actually win.. Results actually do matter in the professional sporting world..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 12, 2021 11:42:41 GMT -5
I think about that a lot, I think at one point we were filling the roster with low level free agents they weren't drafting good enough players and they were in cap hell after the 2011 season it seams. These were not players drafted and born Giants they weren't TC guys the only one left at the end of 2015 was Eli, they even weeded out his coaching staff before they finally let him go, These are the things that made this organization a Cluster #$@%. My biggest question has always been at the end of 2015 or even 2014 they were terribly embarrassing both years probably including 2013 why didn't they just clean house instead they wasted another 4 or 5 year by trying to buy a competitive team it got them one embarrassing playoff appearance and cap hell till 2020. Kind of long but that is my take. Two things: 1. Exceptionally poor drafting in rounds 3-7 starting in 2008. While teams generally have low hit rates on those picks, we went some 7 or 8 years without signing a single rd 3 or later draft pick to a second contract. That hollows out your team and you're forced to use your FA money to fill bunches of roster spots with just NFL level talent vs. actually improving the roster. 2. This team had really really bad injury luck. Phillips, Nicks, Cruz, Wilson are just a few names off the top of my head of guys that were all supposed to be important core pieces whose careers were destroyed by injury. Every team has some of this, but we were seeing guys have career ending injuries on an annual basis at one point. Those were tough losses for sure Wilson tho was relegated to special teams weapon. They missed also on several first and second rounders Like Austin Flowers Pugh Richberg. Good post really in the end just to much went wrong from a talent procurement stand point.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 12, 2021 11:55:13 GMT -5
I said he built a winning team, instead I should have said building a winning team. I'm talking about going into this season we look as strong as I can remember. That's the way I feel. We all know how bad our records have been. But I feel were in much better shape going into this season it seems to me. And next year looks damn bright as well. That was put together by DG. I like the team he put together and I feel were about to reap the rewards starting this season. Did anybody think this was a 1-2 year fix when he got here ?This is year 4 of being the worse team in the league during Getty's span.. Signing on some injured players in FA might make you feel like the build is complete which I hope you are correct but there is no reason to be praising and resigning the person responsible for making this team a winning one until you know they actually win.. Results actually do matter in the professional sporting world.. They were the worst team in the league in 2017 not even 2018 where they were still cash strapped and roster strapped were they that bad they played hard from that point on 2019 nor 2020 were they even close to the worse team in the league. They need to win and a couple of drops blew it for them last year it was the difference between 7-9 or 8-8 season That is one thing this team has improved talent wise in each of the last 3 season especially once they got out from under the 2016 cap hell they were in. I will say this if the 7-10 this year that should be it probably for a promising young coach 2 because the best candidates are not coming here to be undermined by ownership. Gettlemen who I stay neutral on had a huge Job to start trying to salvage some of that 2017 roster there were contracts to consider that ownership was responsible for this aint monopoly money, then filling roster that had little to no talent and 0 depth and getting the cap back in line for 3 years he has done almost every thing if he doesn't win some other guy will reap the rewards of 2 first rounder 2 3rd rounders and 2 4th rounders next year just the way the it is gotta do the whole job and winning is the biggest part.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 12:32:01 GMT -5
This is year 4 of being the worse team in the league during Getty's span.. Signing on some injured players in FA might make you feel like the build is complete which I hope you are correct but there is no reason to be praising and resigning the person responsible for making this team a winning one until you know they actually win.. Results actually do matter in the professional sporting world.. They were the worst team in the league in 2017 not even 2018 where they were still cash strapped and roster strapped were they that bad they played hard from that point on 2019 nor 2020 were they even close to the worse team in the league. They need to win and a couple of drops blew it for them last year it was the difference between 7-9 or 8-8 season That is one thing this team has improved talent wise in each of the last 3 season especially once they got out from under the 2016 cap hell they were in. I will say this if the 7-10 this year that should be it probably for a promising young coach 2 because the best candidates are not coming here to be undermined by ownership. Gettlemen who I stay neutral on had a huge Job to start trying to salvage some of that 2017 roster there were contracts to consider that ownership was responsible for this aint monopoly money, then filling roster that had little to no talent and 0 depth and getting the cap back in line for 3 years he has done almost every thing if he doesn't win some other guy will reap the rewards of 2 first rounder 2 3rd rounders and 2 4th rounders next year just the way the it is gotta do the whole job and winning is the biggest part. 1st.. Getty added to that cap hell almost just as much as Reese. 2nd.. So if they do go 7-10 then the next GM will have to deal with the same exact contract cap issues with the FA spending spree they have been on these two years.. I REALLY hope this team develops quickly and we have a nice season so this rebuilding doesn't have to start again!!
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jul 12, 2021 13:24:27 GMT -5
They were the worst team in the league in 2017 not even 2018 where they were still cash strapped and roster strapped were they that bad they played hard from that point on 2019 nor 2020 were they even close to the worse team in the league. They need to win and a couple of drops blew it for them last year it was the difference between 7-9 or 8-8 season That is one thing this team has improved talent wise in each of the last 3 season especially once they got out from under the 2016 cap hell they were in. I will say this if the 7-10 this year that should be it probably for a promising young coach 2 because the best candidates are not coming here to be undermined by ownership. Gettlemen who I stay neutral on had a huge Job to start trying to salvage some of that 2017 roster there were contracts to consider that ownership was responsible for this aint monopoly money, then filling roster that had little to no talent and 0 depth and getting the cap back in line for 3 years he has done almost every thing if he doesn't win some other guy will reap the rewards of 2 first rounder 2 3rd rounders and 2 4th rounders next year just the way the it is gotta do the whole job and winning is the biggest part. 1st.. Getty added to that cap hell almost just as much as Reese. 2nd.. So if they do go 7-10 then the next GM will have to deal with the same exact contract cap issues with the FA spending spree they have been on these two years.. I REALLY hope this team develops quickly and we have a nice season so this rebuilding doesn't have to start again!! Yeah, I think two things can be true at the same time. First, the Mess that Getty walked into was definitely one of the most challenging rebuilding projects in the NFL. He came into a situation where he had an aging team, with a tight cap and a mandate to try to win one more time with a clearly diminished Eli. It was a tough rebuild once it became clear that 2016 was not was this team really was. I found it funny that people were going nuts that the team wasn't markedly better in 2019 when it was clear that 2018 was a tear down year more than a rebuild year. Second, it can also be true that Getty has not been efficient in how he's attacked this rebuild. He missed on some FAs early, the decision to take Barkley 2nd OVR haunts him still, and the QB he controversially decided to take had a really rough 2nd year. He also whiffed on the Shurmer hiring. In the end, it all comes down to Daniel Jones. If Jones grows into a true franchise QB, then the team will have success and Getty will get extended. If he plays like he did last year, then Getty will rightfully be gone and the team will be restarting again.
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