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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 12, 2021 14:19:00 GMT -5
I said he built a winning team, instead I should have said building a winning team. I'm talking about going into this season we look as strong as I can remember. That's the way I feel. We all know how bad our records have been. But I feel were in much better shape going into this season it seems to me. And next year looks damn bright as well. That was put together by DG. I like the team he put together and I feel were about to reap the rewards starting this season. Did anybody think this was a 1-2 year fix when he got here ?This is year 4 of being the worse team in the league during Getty's span.. Signing on some injured players in FA might make you feel like the build is complete which I hope you are correct but there is no reason to be praising and resigning the person responsible for making this team a winning one until you know they actually win.. Results actually do matter in the professional sporting world.. I do agree with what your saying about winning till we win. I'm just saying the hardest part of the rebuild is going thru the rebuild. At least now we can see light at the end of the tunnel. I've just been through this as a long time giant fan at least 3 times before. The worse being when I was growing up in the late 50's and early 60's. From 1956 to 1963 we played in the Championship game 6 times in 8 years.Only won the first one in 56. Then we went 18 years without making the playoffs. The foremat wasn't the same but we were still terrible teams until we drafted Simms and LT. And then after them till the Eli years In between Giant fans were ready to leap from ledges during these periods. I myself in those years if I could get my hands around Mara's neck I would be doing life in Sing Sing. Being a Giant fan is not for the weak. It takes strength to root for this team. It's incredibly frustrating but it can be so rewarding too. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 14:30:17 GMT -5
This is year 4 of being the worse team in the league during Getty's span.. Signing on some injured players in FA might make you feel like the build is complete which I hope you are correct but there is no reason to be praising and resigning the person responsible for making this team a winning one until you know they actually win.. Results actually do matter in the professional sporting world.. I do agree with what your saying about winning till we win. I'm just saying the hardest part of the rebuild is going thru the rebuild. At least now we can see light at the end of the tunnel.
I've just been through this as a long time giant fan at least 3 times before. The worse being when I was growing up in the late 50's and early 60's. From 1956 to 1963 we played in the Championship game 6 times in 8 years.Only won the first one in 56. Then we went 18 years without making the playoffs. The foremat wasn't the same but we were still terrible teams until we drafted Simms and LT. And then after them till the Eli years In between Giant fans were ready to leap from ledges during these periods. I myself in those years if I could get my hands around Mara's neck I would be doing life in Sing Sing. Being a Giant fan is not for the weak. It takes strength to root for this team. It's incredibly frustrating but it can be so rewarding too. That light still can't be seen until Jones has proven to be the answer.. I started with them in 1976 so I have had my share of watching crappy Giants football.. |
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Post by bizcliz on Jul 12, 2021 14:35:12 GMT -5
We are in the 3rd year of the 6th overall picks QB career, just overloaded the offense with weapons and have a top 10 NFL defense.
This is, without a shadow of a doubt, a win now team.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 12, 2021 15:15:54 GMT -5
They were the worst team in the league in 2017 not even 2018 where they were still cash strapped and roster strapped were they that bad they played hard from that point on 2019 nor 2020 were they even close to the worse team in the league. They need to win and a couple of drops blew it for them last year it was the difference between 7-9 or 8-8 season That is one thing this team has improved talent wise in each of the last 3 season especially once they got out from under the 2016 cap hell they were in. I will say this if the 7-10 this year that should be it probably for a promising young coach 2 because the best candidates are not coming here to be undermined by ownership. Gettlemen who I stay neutral on had a huge Job to start trying to salvage some of that 2017 roster there were contracts to consider that ownership was responsible for this aint monopoly money, then filling roster that had little to no talent and 0 depth and getting the cap back in line for 3 years he has done almost every thing if he doesn't win some other guy will reap the rewards of 2 first rounder 2 3rd rounders and 2 4th rounders next year just the way the it is gotta do the whole job and winning is the biggest part. 1st.. Getty added to that cap hell almost just as much as Reese. 2nd.. So if they do go 7-10 then the next GM will have to deal with the same exact contract cap issues with the FA spending spree they have been on these two years.. I REALLY hope this team develops quickly and we have a nice season so this rebuilding doesn't have to start again!! Wrong on the cap they had flowers and jones under contract and at LB they had Goodson who is on his fourth team thats it plus only Collins at safety this isn't magic they needed 2 tackles a guard and a center. Did you read it they are clear after 2022. Not being nasty these are facts they will be tight for one year Thats what the capologist say this team is going into year four after rebuilding the front office and roster and the next GM will be getting a lot of draft capital and cap freedom after 2022. This is no where close to how they botched the cap in 2016 It wasn't a good freeagent class OV was the best pass rusher on the market he is still looking for his 2nd double digit sack year Jenkens played at a high level then came back to what he is average Snack was a 2 down run stuffer great at that but was already declining. I think Abrems learned from it because as I said supposedly they are clear after next year. That said Reese took over a Giants team ready to contend and his first draft pushed them over the top. 10 Years later he left the next guy the worst team in the league with a CULTURE problem and more holes then swiss cheese with little cap to fill the holes Gettlemen isn't perfect but he has done more in these 3 years, then was done in six before he took over. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 12, 2021 15:28:51 GMT -5
This is year 4 of being the worse team in the league during Getty's span.. Signing on some injured players in FA might make you feel like the build is complete which I hope you are correct but there is no reason to be praising and resigning the person responsible for making this team a winning one until you know they actually win.. Results actually do matter in the professional sporting world.. I do agree with what your saying about winning till we win. I'm just saying the hardest part of the rebuild is going thru the rebuild. At least now we can see light at the end of the tunnel. I've just been through this as a long time giant fan at least 3 times before. The worse being when I was growing up in the late 50's and early 60's. From 1956 to 1963 we played in the Championship game 6 times in 8 years.Only won the first one in 56. Then we went 18 years without making the playoffs. The foremat wasn't the same but we were still terrible teams until we drafted Simms and LT. And then after them till the Eli years In between Giant fans were ready to leap from ledges during these periods. I myself in those years if I could get my hands around Mara's neck I would be doing life in Sing Sing. Being a Giant fan is not for the weak. It takes strength to root for this team. It's incredibly frustrating but it can be so rewarding too. Back then what made that worse is they developed teams over years, going into year 4 of a rebuild it was still early back then they gave QB 5 or 6 years to develop it is a different world today. The only issue i have is when people act like they have done nothing the last 3 years they are one of the youngest teams in the league and even with the spending spree PFF capologist say they are in good shape after next season and only tight next year. I am Nutruel on DG because I was all in on Reese and what we got was perennial payoff team That he inherited in 10 years they were worst team in the NFL I will never be all in on a GM unless he puts together a team that can stand the test of time. But I'm not going dog this guy because he hasn't won yet if EE hangs on in Philly how would people feel after a playoff season for me at 7-9 it would be hollow. The only good I would take out of it the last QT of the season was playoff mode and they won enough to get there if it weren't for self inflicted wounds earlier in the season. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 12, 2021 15:32:24 GMT -5
We are in the 3rd year of the 6th overall picks QB career, just overloaded the offense with weapons and have a top 10 NFL defense. This is, without a shadow of a doubt, a win now team. Well with the 5th year option they need to know what is up with their Guy Jones a lot of people are saying this is more like his second year being after his rookie year they canned his coach. Time will tell |
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 12, 2021 15:54:54 GMT -5
You’re nuts.. You’re nuttier than the Planters peanut factory. Mediocrity should be released, not extended. Maybe, and I mean maybe. He set us up for future success. No one knows, only time will tell. However, you do not give an extension to a dinosaur who has kept this franchise in quicksand. The Dave Gettleman era has been repeated kicks to the balls, with an occasional breather to recover.. I never said that I'm not nuts. I just haven't admitted to it. Listen this is why I think we got the right people finally. We were a damn bad team before DG got here, no need to go over that mess again. In 3 years now going into his 4th he has rebuilt the whole damn team. We actually have some top young players and players hitting their prime LW, Bradbury, Martinez, Peppers, and players coming into their best years Dex, Adoree, top potential guys Barkley, McKinney, Andrews, Ojulari, Toney. These last 5 can be real stars in this league in Barkleys case. The others should all be damn good to all stars. DG brought these guys here did everyone think that this team was turning around in one year ? Are we better now than before he got here. Yes we had to go through terrible years to get these players. But that's what happened when we built our team with LT and Simms. Simms was under fire for his first 4-5 years. Hell Parcells benched him for Brunnell. When we drafted LT the year before we won 1 game. The team is has pulled out of the nose dive lets not ruin this team that is about to turn around. That's the way I feel. Not popular but it's what I think. You do realize we have been a bad team with Gettleman at the helm too right? One of the worst in the league to be exact. No one thought he could turn it around in a season, that would take a great GM to accomplish that. In a result driven business, he has fell way short. We’re building an NFL roster, not the great pyramid. It comes to a point where the excuses are met with deaf ears. I don’t care what Parcells did in ‘83, that’s irrelevant to now. Wins matter, success is the ultimate goal for every team in the NFL. You don’t win, you lose your job. It’s that simple.. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 12, 2021 18:50:07 GMT -5
We are in the 3rd year of the 6th overall picks QB career, just overloaded the offense with weapons and have a top 10 NFL defense. This is, without a shadow of a doubt, a win now team. Well with the 5th year option they need to know what is up with their Guy Jones a lot of people are saying this is more like his second year being after his rookie year they canned his coach. Time will tell Plus with the covid virus shutdown not only a new coach and offense but no OT's and pre season. Then Barkley goes down. And your OL is in chaos the first half of the season. Talk about being blind sided in a year he needed to improve on. We might give him a mulligan. This year a better team with regular off season training and a pre season. 2nd year in the offense. Don't see how he can't be improved. That's as far as I go. |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 12, 2021 19:05:05 GMT -5
This is year 4 of being the worse team in the league during Getty's span.. Signing on some injured players in FA might make you feel like the build is complete which I hope you are correct but there is no reason to be praising and resigning the person responsible for making this team a winning one until you know they actually win.. Results actually do matter in the professional sporting world.. I do agree with what your saying about winning till we win. I'm just saying the hardest part of the rebuild is going thru the rebuild. At least now we can see light at the end of the tunnel. I've just been through this as a long time giant fan at least 3 times before. The worse being when I was growing up in the late 50's and early 60's. From 1956 to 1963 we played in the Championship game 6 times in 8 years.Only won the first one in 56. Then we went 18 years without making the playoffs. The foremat wasn't the same but we were still terrible teams until we drafted Simms and LT. And then after them till the Eli years In between Giant fans were ready to leap from ledges during these periods. I myself in those years if I could get my hands around Mara's neck I would be doing life in Sing Sing. Being a Giant fan is not for the weak. It takes strength to root for this team. It's incredibly frustrating but it can be so rewarding too. I don't know why people are so hung up on the past when things are looking so good for the future. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 12, 2021 22:10:02 GMT -5
Well with the 5th year option they need to know what is up with their Guy Jones a lot of people are saying this is more like his second year being after his rookie year they canned his coach. Time will tell Plus with the covid virus shutdown not only a new coach and offense but no OT's and pre season. Then Barkley goes down. And your OL is in chaos the first half of the season. Talk about being blind sided in a year he needed to improve on. We might give him a mulligan. This year a better team with regular off season training and a pre season. 2nd year in the offense. Don't see how he can't be improved. That's as far as I go. When they needed wins last year record aside they were alive for the play offs Jones played solid ball winning ball in the second half. I f EE doesn't drop that ball in Philthy they are in the Playoffs and don't have the treasure trove of picks, people have the right to their opinions. Only if they are a winning team at the end of this year then Gettlemen is on schedule, even dealing with Covid a coaching Change also. he was thinking of the franchise when he made the coaching change, He could have stuck with Shurmur who was doing good developing Jones. He could have stayed put in the draft and got one good player maybe save his skin instead he did what was best for the franchise. He isn't perfect and neither is Jones but this horse shit that they have been spinning their wheels doing nothing is exactly that, they have changed the attitude the culture and absolutely are much more talented then they were when he took over. The wins will come hopefully, they are 3 active drafts in that is a lot they got done in only 3 drafts considering they just finished the front office restructure last year. I think Jones gets his option if they win 10 games. Rich were getting back to HERE WE GO GIANTS AGAIN. wanna here that loud and clear in the stadium this year. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 12, 2021 22:30:34 GMT -5
I never said that I'm not nuts. I just haven't admitted to it. Listen this is why I think we got the right people finally. We were a damn bad team before DG got here, no need to go over that mess again. In 3 years now going into his 4th he has rebuilt the whole damn team. We actually have some top young players and players hitting their prime LW, Bradbury, Martinez, Peppers, and players coming into their best years Dex, Adoree, top potential guys Barkley, McKinney, Andrews, Ojulari, Toney. These last 5 can be real stars in this league in Barkleys case. The others should all be damn good to all stars. DG brought these guys here did everyone think that this team was turning around in one year ? Are we better now than before he got here. Yes we had to go through terrible years to get these players. But that's what happened when we built our team with LT and Simms. Simms was under fire for his first 4-5 years. Hell Parcells benched him for Brunnell. When we drafted LT the year before we won 1 game. The team is has pulled out of the nose dive lets not ruin this team that is about to turn around. That's the way I feel. Not popular but it's what I think. You do realize we have been a bad team with Gettleman at the helm too right? One of the worst in the league to be exact. No one thought he could turn it around in a season, that would take a great GM to accomplish that. In a result driven business, he has fell way short. We’re building an NFL roster, not the great pyramid. It comes to a point where the excuses are met with deaf ears. I don’t care what Parcells did in ‘83, that’s irrelevant to now. Wins matter, success is the ultimate goal for every team in the NFL. You don’t win, you lose your job. It’s that simple.. This aint rocket science If they are a winning team and tough out all season Gettlemen is on schedule, if they are 7-10 team he is gonna get fired and probably if they are 8-9 also. I know it won't be easy the whole division should be competitive besides maybe the Eagles and their schedule isn't as easy as people think, Denver can be tough they have a top Defense with one of the best secondary's in the league, Thats part of growing as a team winning tough games against tough teams and good teams. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 5:58:51 GMT -5
1st.. Getty added to that cap hell almost just as much as Reese. 2nd.. So if they do go 7-10 then the next GM will have to deal with the same exact contract cap issues with the FA spending spree they have been on these two years.. I REALLY hope this team develops quickly and we have a nice season so this rebuilding doesn't have to start again!! Wrong on the cap they had flowers and jones under contract and at LB they had Goodson who is on his fourth team thats it plus only Collins at safety this isn't magic they needed 2 tackles a guard and a center. Did you read it they are clear after 2022. Not being nasty these are facts they will be tight for one year Thats what the capologist say this team is going into year four after rebuilding the front office and roster and the next GM will be getting a lot of draft capital and cap freedom after 2022. This is no where close to how they botched the cap in 2016 It wasn't a good freeagent class OV was the best pass rusher on the market he is still looking for his 2nd double digit sack year Jenkens played at a high level then came back to what he is average Snack was a 2 down run stuffer great at that but was already declining. I think Abrems learned from it because as I said supposedly they are clear after next year. That said Reese took over a Giants team ready to contend and his first draft pushed them over the top. 10 Years later he left the next guy the worst team in the league with a CULTURE problem and more holes then swiss cheese with little cap to fill the holes Gettlemen isn't perfect but he has done more in these 3 years, then was done in six before he took over. We will have to disagree about who's fault the cap was since Solder, Ogletree and Beckham were big hits to the cap and then a bunch of 2nd tier players who pretty much sucked all added to these cap issues from 2016. There is no way they were able to sign all the FAs the past two years and not have any issues with the cap moving forward just like Getty had when he took over.. We will see in these few years when Jones, Barkley and Peppers will all need to be paid but they can't due to the over spending in 20 and 21. We do agree on one thing and that's Getty isn't perfect. He's not even above average at this point for the Giants.. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 13, 2021 7:57:46 GMT -5
Wrong on the cap they had flowers and jones under contract and at LB they had Goodson who is on his fourth team thats it plus only Collins at safety this isn't magic they needed 2 tackles a guard and a center. Did you read it they are clear after 2022. Not being nasty these are facts they will be tight for one year Thats what the capologist say this team is going into year four after rebuilding the front office and roster and the next GM will be getting a lot of draft capital and cap freedom after 2022. This is no where close to how they botched the cap in 2016 It wasn't a good freeagent class OV was the best pass rusher on the market he is still looking for his 2nd double digit sack year Jenkens played at a high level then came back to what he is average Snack was a 2 down run stuffer great at that but was already declining. I think Abrems learned from it because as I said supposedly they are clear after next year. That said Reese took over a Giants team ready to contend and his first draft pushed them over the top. 10 Years later he left the next guy the worst team in the league with a CULTURE problem and more holes then swiss cheese with little cap to fill the holes Gettlemen isn't perfect but he has done more in these 3 years, then was done in six before he took over. We will have to disagree about who's fault the cap was since Solder, Ogletree and Beckham were big hits to the cap and then a bunch of 2nd tier players who pretty much sucked all added to these cap issues from 2016. There is no way they were able to sign all the FAs the past two years and not have any issues with the cap moving forward just like Getty had when he took over.. We will see in these few years when Jones, Barkley and Peppers will all need to be paid but they can't due to the over spending in 20 and 21. We do agree on one thing and that's Getty isn't perfect. He's not even above average at this point for the Giants.. People who hate Gettlemen always point to these contracts, fact is We had 0 tackles on the team and 1 LB who wasn't worth resigning as embarrassing as this is Ogletree was the best LB we had here since Micheal Boley they needed NFL players to get through some drafts, Solders contract was an easy out should have been last year but he opted out and took a major pay cut, all the second tier guys didn't hurt the cap at all and were gone as soon as they got to the next draft he took over in 2018, by 2019 they got Williams in here drafted some good players followed that up in 2020 bringing Bradberry Martinez and Ryan in and had what looks to be another strong draft maybe the best in years along with what looks like another solid free agency class Peppers I want back but they drafted Love and McKinney for reasons. I read up on their cap situation it is not a problem unless Covid shuts stadiums again then the whole league will have a problem. The Giants picks wise and cap wise are in good shape for the future Abrems did a nice job with this staggering contracts and signing players inn their prime. Mara said they were signing OBJ and he and Tisch both wanted that and at the end of the day they both wanted him gone after the interview. We agree on another thing if they don't get to at least ten wins he's gone anyway, thing is that doesn't make me happy or sad I just look forward to who's next up and they better be better then Gettlemen. This was not a simple easy fix there were highly paid vets not performing that had to either get it together or be shipped, There was 0 depth and very little young talent if any at all the scouting department was in disarray and the front office to, so far after year 3 the arrow seems to be pointing up, It will have to stay that way for him to keep his job. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 8:21:15 GMT -5
We will have to disagree about who's fault the cap was since Solder, Ogletree and Beckham were big hits to the cap and then a bunch of 2nd tier players who pretty much sucked all added to these cap issues from 2016. There is no way they were able to sign all the FAs the past two years and not have any issues with the cap moving forward just like Getty had when he took over.. We will see in these few years when Jones, Barkley and Peppers will all need to be paid but they can't due to the over spending in 20 and 21. We do agree on one thing and that's Getty isn't perfect. He's not even above average at this point for the Giants.. fact is We had 0 tackles on the team and 1 LB who wasn't worth resigning as embarrassing as this is Ogletree was the best LB we had here since Micheal Boley they needed NFL players to get through some drafts, Solders contract was an easy out should have been last year but he opted out and took a major pay cut, all the second tier guys didn't hurt the cap at all and were gone as soon as they got to the next draft he took over in 2018, by 2019 they got Williams in here drafted some good players followed that up in 2020 bringing Bradberry Martinez and Ryan in and had what looks to be another strong draft maybe the best in years along with what looks like another solid free agency class Peppers I want back but they drafted Love and McKinney for reasons. I read up on their cap situation it is not a problem unless Covid shuts stadiums again then the whole league will have a problem. The Giants picks wise and cap wise are in good shape for the future Abrems did a nice job with this staggering contracts and signing players inn their prime. Mara said they were signing OBJ and he and Tisch both wanted that and at the end of the day they both wanted him gone after the interview. We agree on another thing if they don't get to at least ten wins he's gone anyway, thing is that doesn't make me happy or sad I just look forward to who's next up and they better be better then Gettlemen. This was not a simple easy fix there were highly paid vets not performing that had to either get it together or be shipped, There was 0 depth and very little young talent if any at all the scouting department was in disarray and the front office to, so far after year 3 the arrow seems to be pointing up, It will have to stay that way for him to keep his job. You can't run from the facts or write a story to explain them a way.. Sorry. Wait.. should I say that the Getty supporters always dismiss these contracts as necessary evils or it's the owners fault and not his?? We agree again that the new GM needs to be better than Getty.. |
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Post by vinnie on Jul 13, 2021 10:00:19 GMT -5
We are in the 3rd year of the 6th overall picks QB career, just overloaded the offense with weapons and have a top 10 NFL defense. This is, without a shadow of a doubt, a win now team. Those weapons don’t mean much without an O line and a QB not under pressure who can also prove to be good at making decisions and reading the field. |
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Post by vinnie on Jul 13, 2021 10:09:16 GMT -5
I do agree with what your saying about winning till we win. I'm just saying the hardest part of the rebuild is going thru the rebuild. At least now we can see light at the end of the tunnel. I've just been through this as a long time giant fan at least 3 times before. The worse being when I was growing up in the late 50's and early 60's. From 1956 to 1963 we played in the Championship game 6 times in 8 years.Only won the first one in 56. Then we went 18 years without making the playoffs. The foremat wasn't the same but we were still terrible teams until we drafted Simms and LT. And then after them till the Eli years In between Giant fans were ready to leap from ledges during these periods. I myself in those years if I could get my hands around Mara's neck I would be doing life in Sing Sing. Being a Giant fan is not for the weak. It takes strength to root for this team. It's incredibly frustrating but it can be so rewarding too. Back then what made that worse is they developed teams over years, going into year 4 of a rebuild it was still early back then they gave QB 5 or 6 years to develop it is a different world today. The only issue i have is when people act like they have done nothing the last 3 years they are one of the youngest teams in the league and even with the spending spree PFF capologist say they are in good shape after next season and only tight next year. I am Nutruel on DG because I was all in on Reese and what we got was perennial payoff team That he inherited in 10 years they were worst team in the NFL I will never be all in on a GM unless he puts together a team that can stand the test of time. But I'm not going dog this guy because he hasn't won yet if EE hangs on in Philly how would people feel after a playoff season for me at 7-9 it would be hollow. The only good I would take out of it the last QT of the season was playoff mode and they won enough to get there if it weren't for self inflicted wounds earlier in the season. So I’m assuming this cap guru is taking into account that within the next 2-3 years we will have probably about 3/4ths of our current roster due for a contract extension or new contract? I understand the cap is going up but with all the short term contracts DG signed these guys to and how young the team is, we need more cap space than almost every other team in the league. Heck, right now we have 4 out of 5 of our starting O lineman that will all be due for a payday within a year or two of each other. Jones, Barkley, Engram, Thomas, Peart, Lemieux, Gates, Shep…then the defense. I know we can replace some through the draft but than we’re kicking the “win now” can down the road yet again. I know I’m off on some of these contracts but there will be a lot of decisions all at once to make in a few years. |
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Post by GameTime on Jul 13, 2021 10:11:23 GMT -5
if eventually a team's problem is they have too many good players to sign then some thing with their drafting and coaching is working very well.
Its a good problem
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 13, 2021 10:31:00 GMT -5
Plus with the covid virus shutdown not only a new coach and offense but no OT's and pre season. Then Barkley goes down. And your OL is in chaos the first half of the season. Talk about being blind sided in a year he needed to improve on. We might give him a mulligan. This year a better team with regular off season training and a pre season. 2nd year in the offense. Don't see how he can't be improved. That's as far as I go. When they needed wins last year record aside they were alive for the play offs Jones played solid ball winning ball in the second half. I f EE doesn't drop that ball in Philthy they are in the Playoffs and don't have the treasure trove of picks, people have the right to their opinions. Only if they are a winning team at the end of this year then Gettlemen is on schedule, even dealing with Covid a coaching Change also. he was thinking of the franchise when he made the coaching change, He could have stuck with Shurmur who was doing good developing Jones. He could have stayed put in the draft and got one good player maybe save his skin instead he did what was best for the franchise. He isn't perfect and neither is Jones but this horse shit that they have been spinning their wheels doing nothing is exactly that, they have changed the attitude the culture and absolutely are much more talented then they were when he took over. The wins will come hopefully, they are 3 active drafts in that is a lot they got done in only 3 drafts considering they just finished the front office restructure last year. I think Jones gets his option if they win 10 games. Rich were getting back to HERE WE GO GIANTS AGAIN. wanna here that loud and clear in the stadium this year. I agree, I remember that chant when I was a season ticket holder years ago. HERE WE GO GI-I-IANTS. I love it, I forgot about that. HaHa, And back in the day there were also the cries of DEFENSE DEFENSE . I too think this team has rebuilt itself and is posed to take off. Don't know how many wins but I'm thinking 9 or more. I don't think an 11-6 season is really that far fetched though that may be reaching. But a legitimate shot at the playoffs is real, not guaranteed by any means. The NFC is a glut of teams for the wild card positions. Remember the hardest part of a rebuild is going thru the rebuild. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 13, 2021 10:42:09 GMT -5
When they needed wins last year record aside they were alive for the play offs Jones played solid ball winning ball in the second half. I f EE doesn't drop that ball in Philthy they are in the Playoffs and don't have the treasure trove of picks, people have the right to their opinions. Only if they are a winning team at the end of this year then Gettlemen is on schedule, even dealing with Covid a coaching Change also. he was thinking of the franchise when he made the coaching change, He could have stuck with Shurmur who was doing good developing Jones. He could have stayed put in the draft and got one good player maybe save his skin instead he did what was best for the franchise. He isn't perfect and neither is Jones but this horse shit that they have been spinning their wheels doing nothing is exactly that, they have changed the attitude the culture and absolutely are much more talented then they were when he took over. The wins will come hopefully, they are 3 active drafts in that is a lot they got done in only 3 drafts considering they just finished the front office restructure last year. I think Jones gets his option if they win 10 games. Rich were getting back to HERE WE GO GIANTS AGAIN. wanna here that loud and clear in the stadium this year. I agree, I remember that chant when I was a season ticket holder years ago. HERE WE GO GI-I-IANTS. I love it, I forgot about that. HaHa, And back in the day there were also the cries of DEFENSE DEFENSE . I too think this team has rebuilt itself and is posed to take off. Don't know how many wins but I'm thinking 9 or more. I don't think an 11-6 season is really that far fetched though that may be reaching. But a legitimate shot at the playoffs is real, not guaranteed by any means. The NFC is a glut of teams for the wild card positions. Remember the hardest part of a rebuild is going thru the rebuild. Like alll good teams they will need some bounces to get past 10 I think they are on their way don't know if Gettlemen will be the guy tho depending on what happens this year. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 13, 2021 10:47:29 GMT -5
I agree, I remember that chant when I was a season ticket holder years ago. HERE WE GO GI-I-IANTS. I love it, I forgot about that. HaHa, And back in the day there were also the cries of DEFENSE DEFENSE . I too think this team has rebuilt itself and is posed to take off. Don't know how many wins but I'm thinking 9 or more. I don't think an 11-6 season is really that far fetched though that may be reaching. But a legitimate shot at the playoffs is real, not guaranteed by any means. The NFC is a glut of teams for the wild card positions. Remember the hardest part of a rebuild is going thru the rebuild. Like alll good teams they will need some bounces to get past 10 I think they are on their way don't know if Gettlemen will be the guy tho depending on what happens this year. I think this is realistic. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 13, 2021 10:59:55 GMT -5
Back then what made that worse is they developed teams over years, going into year 4 of a rebuild it was still early back then they gave QB 5 or 6 years to develop it is a different world today. The only issue i have is when people act like they have done nothing the last 3 years they are one of the youngest teams in the league and even with the spending spree PFF capologist say they are in good shape after next season and only tight next year. I am Nutruel on DG because I was all in on Reese and what we got was perennial payoff team That he inherited in 10 years they were worst team in the NFL I will never be all in on a GM unless he puts together a team that can stand the test of time. But I'm not going dog this guy because he hasn't won yet if EE hangs on in Philly how would people feel after a playoff season for me at 7-9 it would be hollow. The only good I would take out of it the last QT of the season was playoff mode and they won enough to get there if it weren't for self inflicted wounds earlier in the season. So I’m assuming this cap guru is taking into account that within the next 2-3 years we will have probably about 3/4ths of our current roster due for a contract extension or new contract? I understand the cap is going up but with all the short term contracts DG signed these guys to and how young the team is, we need more cap space than almost every other team in the league. Heck, right now we have 4 out of 5 of our starting O lineman that will all be due for a payday within a year or two of each other. Jones, Barkley, Engram, Thomas, Peart, Lemieux, Gates, Shep…then the defense. I know we can replace some through the draft but than we’re kicking the “win now” can down the road yet again. I know I’m off on some of these contracts but there will be a lot of decisions all at once to make in a few years. Supposedly they take it all into account. I think they take into account that guys like Ryan Shep even Williams is only three years. Martinez and Bradberry will have 2 left after this year. Abrems did a good job structuring and staggering money supposedly Thomas Lemieux and Peart are 3 years down the road Gates signed a 3 year extension at really reasonable price before last year. Heres what I will say who would have thought 3 years ago we would be worried about having money to sign our guys, Guys we drafted to second contracts at the end of 2017, they have a lot of young talent and just like any good team first they have to prove they are good but if so good teams can never keep everyone, thats why they drafted McKinney and and the kid from UCF. this next draft with all those picks needs to be back filling this roster even more. The Short term contract are nice because you can let guys walk that are going into the tail end of their careers and give them a chance to draft these positions reallocate that money into younger free agents. If they can keep up drafting good it's never perfect but just good they will have no cap problems that is what killed Reese they were building through Freeagency after a while. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 13, 2021 11:07:17 GMT -5
People who hate Gettlemen always point to these contracts, fact is We had 0 tackles on the team and 1 LB who wasn't worth resigning as embarrassing as this is Ogletree was the best LB we had here since Micheal Boley they needed NFL players to get through some drafts, Solders contract was an easy out should have been last year but he opted out and took a major pay cut, all the second tier guys didn't hurt the cap at all and were gone as soon as they got to the next draft he took over in 2018, by 2019 they got Williams in here drafted some good players followed that up in 2020 bringing Bradberry Martinez and Ryan in and had what looks to be another strong draft maybe the best in years along with what looks like another solid free agency class Peppers I want back but they drafted Love and McKinney for reasons. I read up on their cap situation it is not a problem unless Covid shuts stadiums again then the whole league will have a problem. The Giants picks wise and cap wise are in good shape for the future Abrems did a nice job with this staggering contracts and signing players inn their prime. Mara said they were signing OBJ and he and Tisch both wanted that and at the end of the day they both wanted him gone after the interview. We agree on another thing if they don't get to at least ten wins he's gone anyway, thing is that doesn't make me happy or sad I just look forward to who's next up and they better be better then Gettlemen. This was not a simple easy fix there were highly paid vets not performing that had to either get it together or be shipped, There was 0 depth and very little young talent if any at all the scouting department was in disarray and the front office to, so far after year 3 the arrow seems to be pointing up, It will have to stay that way for him to keep his job. You can't run from the facts or write a story to explain them a way.. Sorry. Wait.. should I say that the Getty supporters always dismiss these contracts as necessary evils or it's the owners fault and not his?? We agree again that the new GM needs to be better than Getty.. If toucan't see the facts can't help you we don't have agree on everything facts are he inherited a bad football team with cap issues talent and depth issues and a Marc Ross led front office that needed an overhaul in 3 years it seems that is done in he past, I'm not a Gettlemen defender he has done more right then wrong it's funny 3/4 of shit he got toasted for he was right letting Collins walk trading for Williams giving a 3rd and 5th he was worth that before his 11 sack season. Trading Snack to get DT on the field trading OV and his top 5 contract just to name a few and their are plenty more. If they lose this year I will be ripping him and Judge and they should both be gone. I'm optimistic they are heading in the right direction. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 11:25:02 GMT -5
You can't run from the facts or write a story to explain them a way.. Sorry. Wait.. should I say that the Getty supporters always dismiss these contracts as necessary evils or it's the owners fault and not his?? We agree again that the new GM needs to be better than Getty.. If toucan't see the facts can't help you we don't have agree on everything facts are he inherited a bad football team with cap issues talent and depth issues and a Marc Ross led front office that needed an overhaul in 3 years it seems that is done in he past, I'm not a Gettlemen defender he has done more right then wrong it's funny 3/4 of shit he got toasted for he was right letting Collins walk trading for Williams giving a 3rd and 5th he was worth that before his 11 sack season. Trading Snack to get DT on the field trading OV and his top 5 contract just to name a few and their are plenty more. If they lose this year I will be ripping him and Judge and they should both be gone. I'm optimistic they are heading in the right direction. You mean "facts" like if the team doesn't have a winning season they will be in a worse position then when Getty was mistakenly brought on to be the GM.. That would make 4 losing seasons while he was GM so the team might look nice on paper that never materialized on the field where it matters.. What's truly funny is a fan claiming he's done more right then wrong while the teams record is 15-33 during his tenure of selecting at the top of the draft.. Why do Gretty fans bring up not signing Collins as some triumph but then claim the Solder signing was necessary and not his fault?? |
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Post by Martin on Jul 13, 2021 11:35:09 GMT -5
If you want to make excuses you will find them and if you want to just go on wins and losses it's their in your face. Somewhere in between is probably the truth. I tend to go on win's and losses after I give a GM 2 years to put players in place. If you keep looking for excuses I can guarantee a losing team. If the Giants don't crack a playoff spot with a good record there can be no doubt the GM must go. For 10 years we have been making excuses and that needs to stop if you want to win.
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Post by vinnie on Jul 13, 2021 11:45:45 GMT -5
if eventually a team's problem is they have too many good players to sign then some thing with their drafting and coaching is working very well. Its a good problem The problem isn’t us having too many good players, it’s that this GM has a history of also signing players that aren’t very good, vastly overpays for them and appears to lack a solid understanding of positional value. I could easily see him doubling down on Barkley and over paying him, possibly Hernandez as well, and if Jones is just mediocre rather than moving on he ends up paying him a hefty amount (assuming DG is still here). Its also not good when we have a bunch of players on short or rookie contracts and can’t capitalize on that with a solid playoff run or two. Time will tell. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 13, 2021 11:46:05 GMT -5
If toucan't see the facts can't help you we don't have agree on everything facts are he inherited a bad football team with cap issues talent and depth issues and a Marc Ross led front office that needed an overhaul in 3 years it seems that is done in he past, I'm not a Gettlemen defender he has done more right then wrong it's funny 3/4 of shit he got toasted for he was right letting Collins walk trading for Williams giving a 3rd and 5th he was worth that before his 11 sack season. Trading Snack to get DT on the field trading OV and his top 5 contract just to name a few and their are plenty more. If they lose this year I will be ripping him and Judge and they should both be gone. I'm optimistic they are heading in the right direction. You mean "facts" like if the team doesn't have a winning season they will be in a worse position then when Getty was mistakenly brought on to be the GM.. That would make 4 losing seasons while he was GM so the team might look nice on paper that never materialized on the field where it truly matters.. What's truly funny is a fan claiming he's done more right then wrong while the teams record is 15-33 during his tenure of selecting at the top of the draft.. Why do Gretty fans bring up not signing Collins as some triumph but then claim the Solder signing was necessary and not his fault?? you really believe that lol, they were bad 2013/2014/ 2015 paid a kings ransom for the over the hill gang got a n embarrassing play off appearance out of it then proceed to be worse then ever in 2017 it was almost impossible being 13 /14 / 15 broke all kinds of Giant records not the kind you want to break, that spending spree expanded into 2018 cap hell and 19 being there was 0 talent or depth on a very expensive roster. sorry don't fix 7 or 8 year of ineptitude in 2 or 3 years the talent procurement issues started back as far as 2009 when the old nucleus was to old to play the Giants were done and gig was up. we as fans were lucky we got 5 good years out of that team. Eli Snee Diehl Suebert McKenzie Jacobs Stra Tuck Osi . Facts are facts the rehab process is hopefully over as I said none of this matters if they suck then he will be gone simple. But he didn't take over a team that needed a few good pieces and they would be on their way get were bad to the point of being comtetive was a big improvement to start. Even The other teams analyst say it you need to show up to beat the Giants it's not like it used to be they haven't been a for matt for a couple years now and he only has 3 in. you aren't gonna change your mind and I don't blame you and I'm not so we agree on some things lets talk about those things when we chat. talking about this we are wasting each others time. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 13, 2021 11:52:59 GMT -5
If you want to make excuses you will find them and if you want to just go on wins and losses it's their in your face. Somewhere in between is probably the truth. I tend to go on win's and losses after I give a GM 2 years to put players in place. If you keep looking for excuses I can guarantee a losing team. If the Giants don't crack a playoff spot with a good record there can be no doubt the GM must go. For 10 years we have been making excuses and that needs to stop if you want to win. I agree with this I don't agree that the team hasn't improved maybe not in the win loss department but this is the year all the work needs to produce or it is time for change. There are no excuses, there is a job like when I did my bathrooms one needed a complete haul and my wife was on me to get it done it took time a ton of effort and hard worker bathroom room number 2 had less to do some stuff was salvageable it took half the time and looks just as good. this was a complete over haul even to the front office and scouting department. This is the year 3 active drafts in the books new coaches big free agent haul time to win. |
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Post by vinnie on Jul 13, 2021 11:54:13 GMT -5
So I’m assuming this cap guru is taking into account that within the next 2-3 years we will have probably about 3/4ths of our current roster due for a contract extension or new contract? I understand the cap is going up but with all the short term contracts DG signed these guys to and how young the team is, we need more cap space than almost every other team in the league. Heck, right now we have 4 out of 5 of our starting O lineman that will all be due for a payday within a year or two of each other. Jones, Barkley, Engram, Thomas, Peart, Lemieux, Gates, Shep…then the defense. I know we can replace some through the draft but than we’re kicking the “win now” can down the road yet again. I know I’m off on some of these contracts but there will be a lot of decisions all at once to make in a few years. Supposedly they take it all into account. I think they take into account that guys like Ryan Shep even Williams is only three years. Martinez and Bradberry will have 2 left after this year. Abrems did a good job structuring and staggering money supposedly Thomas Lemieux and Peart are 3 years down the road Gates signed a 3 year extension at really reasonable price before last year. Heres what I will say who would have thought 3 years ago we would be worried about having money to sign our guys, Guys we drafted to second contracts at the end of 2017, they have a lot of young talent and just like any good team first they have to prove they are good but if so good teams can never keep everyone, thats why they drafted McKinney and and the kid from UCF. this next draft with all those picks needs to be back filling this roster even more. The Short term contract are nice because you can let guys walk that are going into the tail end of their careers and give them a chance to draft these positions reallocate that money into younger free agents. If they can keep up drafting good it's never perfect but just good they will have no cap problems that is what killed Reese they were building through Freeagency after a while. Man, I’m just skeptical of DG to begin with and these contracts, especially the latest splurge reminds me of Reese all over again. I liked Reese but I was extremely critical of him when he went on that defensive spending spree to save his job and I caught TONS of shit for it. “He’s trying to win win now, what else was he supposed to do” “Our defense sucked, he addressed the problem” “There’s always money to free up, people worry too much about the cap” “We’re going to be so good now”. I heard it all, and this seems eerily similar, I just hope it doesn’t come back to bite us. We have so many young guys because we’ve sucked for so long that we’ve had a lot of high picks, now we’re going to have even more. With a lot of these shorter contracts, which as you pointed out do have some advantages, if the younger guys don’t step up this year or next than those high dollar short contracts for the vets will have been a waste. One huge advantage in todays league is having a rookie QB on a rookie contract and DG has already wasted two years of that by not already having an O line or WR’s in place for him to succeed. This may be the third wasted year if the O isn’t at least average. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 13, 2021 12:02:04 GMT -5
Supposedly they take it all into account. I think they take into account that guys like Ryan Shep even Williams is only three years. Martinez and Bradberry will have 2 left after this year. Abrems did a good job structuring and staggering money supposedly Thomas Lemieux and Peart are 3 years down the road Gates signed a 3 year extension at really reasonable price before last year. Heres what I will say who would have thought 3 years ago we would be worried about having money to sign our guys, Guys we drafted to second contracts at the end of 2017, they have a lot of young talent and just like any good team first they have to prove they are good but if so good teams can never keep everyone, thats why they drafted McKinney and and the kid from UCF. this next draft with all those picks needs to be back filling this roster even more. The Short term contract are nice because you can let guys walk that are going into the tail end of their careers and give them a chance to draft these positions reallocate that money into younger free agents. If they can keep up drafting good it's never perfect but just good they will have no cap problems that is what killed Reese they were building through Freeagency after a while. Man, I’m just skeptical of DG to begin with and these contracts, especially the latest splurge reminds me of Reese all over again. I liked Reese but I was extremely critical of him when he went on that defensive spending spree to save his job and I caught TONS of shit for it. “He’s trying to win win now, what else was he supposed to do” “Our defense sucked, he addressed the problem” “There’s always money to free up, people worry too much about the cap” “We’re going to be so good now”. I heard it all, and this seems eerily similar, I just hope it doesn’t come back to bite us. We have so many young guys because we’ve sucked for so long that we’ve had a lot of high picks, now we’re going to have even more. With a lot of these shorter contracts, which as you pointed out do have some advantages, if the younger guys don’t step up this year or next than those high dollar short contracts for the vets will have been a waste. One huge advantage in todays league is having a rookie QB on a rookie contract and DG has already wasted two years of that by not already having an O line or WR’s in place for him to succeed. This may be the third wasted year if the O isn’t at least average. I agree to certain extent as I said word is this splurge is not supposed to affect them cap wise after 2022 . We will know pretty fast I after the first 6 games they should be used to each other and Playing well. I don't think these guys will shit the bed like the last class Martinez and Bradberry are solid pros not worried about Wlliams or Golladay Jackson worries me a little but that said he is better then the guys we rolled out ;last year on his bad days. If these guys don't work out there is gonna be hell to pay but they brought in young up and coming free agents in there prime this time. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 13, 2021 12:10:38 GMT -5
Supposedly they take it all into account. I think they take into account that guys like Ryan Shep even Williams is only three years. Martinez and Bradberry will have 2 left after this year. Abrems did a good job structuring and staggering money supposedly Thomas Lemieux and Peart are 3 years down the road Gates signed a 3 year extension at really reasonable price before last year. Heres what I will say who would have thought 3 years ago we would be worried about having money to sign our guys, Guys we drafted to second contracts at the end of 2017, they have a lot of young talent and just like any good team first they have to prove they are good but if so good teams can never keep everyone, thats why they drafted McKinney and and the kid from UCF. this next draft with all those picks needs to be back filling this roster even more. The Short term contract are nice because you can let guys walk that are going into the tail end of their careers and give them a chance to draft these positions reallocate that money into younger free agents. If they can keep up drafting good it's never perfect but just good they will have no cap problems that is what killed Reese they were building through Freeagency after a while. Man, I’m just skeptical of DG to begin with and these contracts, especially the latest splurge reminds me of Reese all over again. I liked Reese but I was extremely critical of him when he went on that defensive spending spree to save his job and I caught TONS of shit for it. “He’s trying to win win now, what else was he supposed to do” “Our defense sucked, he addressed the problem” “There’s always money to free up, people worry too much about the cap” “We’re going to be so good now”. I heard it all, and this seems eerily similar, I just hope it doesn’t come back to bite us. We have so many young guys because we’ve sucked for so long that we’ve had a lot of high picks, now we’re going to have even more. With a lot of these shorter contracts, which as you pointed out do have some advantages, if the younger guys don’t step up this year or next than those high dollar short contracts for the vets will have been a waste. One huge advantage in todays league is having a rookie QB on a rookie contract and DG has already wasted two years of that by not already having an O line or WR’s in place for him to succeed. This may be the third wasted year if the O isn’t at least average. Vinnie if you look at the big picture NFL as a whole very few QBs get much done in there first 2 years there are rare exceptions like Mahomes landing in a great spot even Allen with Buffalo bending over back wards took Allen 3 years same with Mayfield and they still have only made the playoffs I agree with they should have drafted some WRs the last couple years and that is one that I agree 100% DG should have done it. Hopefully Jones will be better for his ruff road playing under pressure and having guys that don't exactly get wide open or catch every ball, I'm hoping with some of the new toys once on the same page Jones see's what it's like to have guys who catch #1 and get seperation #2 they were like top 5 in drops and boots of the league getting separation . |
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