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Post by GameTime on Jul 30, 2021 17:12:58 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 30, 2021 17:31:42 GMT -5
Definitely better than Lemieux but way to early for me to feel confident that he’ll be average to good. I don’t dislike any of them and I realize they were/are young, had challenges, etc but the jury is out on the entire O line for me. I feel slightly better about some than others but that’s not saying much. yep...the OL players are questionable as individual players and as a unit. What are the odds three second year players, a 3rd year player with only his second year at C and whom ever plays the other Guard spot actually all get good and gel? This assuming Lemeuix is ok to play. Even if his knee is not season ending injury how much time is he going to miss? he cant afford to miss much. Year 2 with this unit as a unit... A 15th ranked O line in all areas not only would be a good improvement but also has a trend upwards for 2022... We won a super bowl with arguably the worst O line overall to ever be part of a super bowl winner in 2011...its not ideal but having an average line with these playmakers will at the very least give us great look at what Jones actually is and his ceiling for one thing.....
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Post by GameTime on Jul 30, 2021 17:34:09 GMT -5
yep...the OL players are questionable as individual players and as a unit. What are the odds three second year players, a 3rd year player with only his second year at C and whom ever plays the other Guard spot actually all get good and gel? This assuming Lemeuix is ok to play. Even if his knee is not season ending injury how much time is he going to miss? he cant afford to miss much. Year 2 with this unit as a unit... A 15th ranked O line in all areas not only would be a good improvement but also has a trend upwards for 2022... We won a super bowl with arguably the worst O line overall to ever be part of a super bowl winner in 2011...its not ideal but having an average line with these playmakers will at the very least give us great look at what Jones actually is and his ceiling for one thing..... yeah...I get it. This O has lots of questions to answer. The OL is just one.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 30, 2021 17:34:33 GMT -5
I mean I’m glad it doesn’t sound serious and I hope he does well but it’s no sigh of relief for me, it’s more like “here we go again, better watch your 6 DJ”. Actually DJ needs to watch his 1-12 with this line. on the side lines today. if it was even a little serious wouldnt he be iced up and elevated? IDK.... very odd.If he's standing on the sidelines, then it means it wasn't serious at all. It's not impossible he could be in the lineup when the pads go on Tuesday.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 30, 2021 17:46:38 GMT -5
on the side lines today. if it was even a little serious wouldnt he be iced up and elevated?IDK.... very odd.If he's standing on the sidelines, then it means it wasn't serious at all. It's not impossible he could be in the lineup when the pads go on Tuesday. I think I just said that
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Post by McCherry on Jul 30, 2021 17:57:41 GMT -5
If he's standing on the sidelines, then it means it wasn't serious at all. It's not impossible he could be in the lineup when the pads go on Tuesday. I think I just said that My point was there is nothing odd about it if he's not injured. We go through this every summer with players getting carted off then returning to practice. If it were slightly serious, he wouldn't be on the field at all. I think we just got lucky.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 30, 2021 18:37:56 GMT -5
True, but as horrible as Solder was in 2019, he was better than Flemming in 2020. Plus I believe he was injured and is now slated as a backup vs. a starter. In regards to the 3rd and 5th rounder, you are 100 percent right that there a plenty of middle round OL starting but we are talking about 2 middle rounders from the same draft with only 1 year under their belt and limited snaps. I'm telling ya, if the Giants find 3 quality starting Oline in 1 draft, that is a once in 15 or 20 year class. Some teams never had that type of draft in their entire history. No doubt about it being a great draft if we find those guys in 1 draft. I always thought DG had a good eye for OL, I think that is one reason we brought him in and he has a track record for mid round OL. You combine that with Flats track record and Judge's emphasis on teaching and we might have a great combo. Might being the key word lol. No doubt it would be amazing, but I have faith. I think Peart is the real deal btw. That kid can flat out play, especially the run. Lemieux has obvious glaring question marks in pass pro.
I feel good about Solder as a back up. He brings leadership, experience and intelligence to the group. Can't hurt having a 3 time SB champ hanging with the young guys.
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Post by jb456 on Jul 30, 2021 18:44:07 GMT -5
Lemieux looked 100% on the sidelines? Was he walking normally? Not participating, right? if it was serious he would have not even been on the side lines at all. I never intimated he was 100% Not participating Thanks. Regardless, it really good news that he already back.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 30, 2021 18:51:01 GMT -5
if it was serious he would have not even been on the side lines at all. I never intimated he was 100% Not participating Thanks. Regardless, it really good news that he already back. no doubt. Hope he only misses a week or so.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 30, 2021 19:01:08 GMT -5
We can all rest easy now. Sugar Shane Lemieux is going to be ok.
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Post by jb456 on Jul 30, 2021 19:06:58 GMT -5
True, but as horrible as Solder was in 2019, he was better than Flemming in 2020. Plus I believe he was injured and is now slated as a backup vs. a starter. In regards to the 3rd and 5th rounder, you are 100 percent right that there a plenty of middle round OL starting but we are talking about 2 middle rounders from the same draft with only 1 year under their belt and limited snaps. I'm telling ya, if the Giants find 3 quality starting Oline in 1 draft, that is a once in 15 or 20 year class. Some teams never had that type of draft in their entire history. No doubt about it being a great draft if we find those guys in 1 draft. I always thought DG had a good eye for OL, I think that is one reason we brought him in and he has a track record for mid round OL. You combine that with Flats track record and Judge's emphasis on teaching and we might have a great combo. Might being the key word lol. No doubt it would be amazing, but I have faith. I think Peart is the real deal btw. That kid can flat out play, especially the run. Lemieux has obvious glaring question marks in pass pro.
I feel good about Solder as a back up. He brings leadership, experience and intelligence to the group. Can't hurt having a 3 time SB champ hanging with the young guys.
Good post and I agree. Also, I really believe the the line will be better this year, just don't know.how much.looking forward to the season.
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Post by vinnie on Jul 31, 2021 8:45:23 GMT -5
Definitely better than Lemieux but way to early for me to feel confident that he’ll be average to good. I don’t dislike any of them and I realize they were/are young, had challenges, etc but the jury is out on the entire O line for me. I feel slightly better about some than others but that’s not saying much. yep...the OL players are questionable as individual players and as a unit. What are the odds three second year players, a 3rd year player with only his second year at C and whom ever plays the other Guard spot actually all get good and gel? This assuming Lemeuix is ok to play. Even if his knee is not season ending injury how much time is he going to miss? he cant afford to miss much. Personally, I would consider 15th or so all around a success. I’d hoped for better when DG made it his priority but at this point I’ll be mildly satisfied with an average O line, both in pass and run blocking.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 8:46:24 GMT -5
That's like a 50 yard walk. I'd bring the cart out too. You knew that from playing, right? No, just common sense.
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Post by vinnie on Jul 31, 2021 8:54:48 GMT -5
True, but as horrible as Solder was in 2019, he was better than Flemming in 2020. Plus I believe he was injured and is now slated as a backup vs. a starter. In regards to the 3rd and 5th rounder, you are 100 percent right that there a plenty of middle round OL starting but we are talking about 2 middle rounders from the same draft with only 1 year under their belt and limited snaps. I'm telling ya, if the Giants find 3 quality starting Oline in 1 draft, that is a once in 15 or 20 year class. Some teams never had that type of draft in their entire history. No doubt about it being a great draft if we find those guys in 1 draft. I always thought DG had a good eye for OL, I think that is one reason we brought him in and he has a track record for mid round OL. You combine that with Flats track record and Judge's emphasis on teaching and we might have a great combo. Might being the key word lol. No doubt it would be amazing, but I have faith. I think Peart is the real deal btw. That kid can flat out play, especially the run. Lemieux has obvious glaring question marks in pass pro.
I feel good about Solder as a back up. He brings leadership, experience and intelligence to the group. Can't hurt having a 3 time SB champ hanging with the young guys.
If he has such a good eye for the O line why in the hell did he draft a RB with the second overall pick to run behind one of the worst lines in the league? Why is he going into year 4 of being GM and his number one priority, the O line, is still the weakest link on the team? Why has the O line been consistently ranked in the bottom of the league since he took over? Why have we had more linemen come in and out then any other team in the league over the past 4 years? Why did he draft the worst of the “big 4” tackles taken in the draft (so far)? Why has the the top of the second round pick, Hernandez, turned out to be a bust for where he was drafted? Coaching can only be blamed on so much. The only thing I liked about the DG hire was how he talked about how important it was to build from the inside out and that the O line was his number one priority. He failed miserably at both and I’m now convinced he absolutely sucks at evaluating O line talent.
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Post by vinnie on Jul 31, 2021 8:55:59 GMT -5
We can all rest easy now. Sugar Shane Lemieux is going to be ok. DJ probably starting having nightmares when he found out Lemieux would be ok.
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 31, 2021 9:02:07 GMT -5
I'm going to have to disagree with you there bud. It looks like they ignored it completely this year and only added Fulton to back up Zeitler. Last year was better with Zeitler being backed up by Lemieux rather than Fulton backing up Lemieux. Also, they are banking on all of last years draft picks (Andrews, Peart and Lemieux) starting. While it is rational to slot your #4 pick as a starting tackle, slotting your 3rd and 5th round pick as starters is risky at best. Shit, the Giants would be lucky to get a decent starting tackle out of the 3rd round even if Lemieux goes down in flames. That would be a very good draft. If the Giants successfully drafted 3 starting quality Oline in 1 draft, that's a 1 in 10+ year draft. It looks like the Giants are playing the ****ing lottery at this point... We also "added" Solder back in as a back up this year. So they ultimately added Fulton and Solder and have plenty of bodies to compete. More importantly we added COACHES to get these players where they need to be. Ultimately if we can't train and develop our players it won't matter who the hell we sign or draft. Good teams don't just get lucky by drafting players that start for them, they train and develop them to be starters.
I don't get many people to agree with me on this but I have always felt that good quality coaches are as important as good players..
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Post by McCherry on Jul 31, 2021 10:18:21 GMT -5
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 31, 2021 11:00:10 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 31, 2021 11:05:26 GMT -5
There you go He can play guard as well.. Bring the baseline up for the interior of ths line and make our depth more solid overall
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 11:14:54 GMT -5
There you go He can play guard as well.. Bring the baseline up for the interior of ths line and make our depth more solid overall "bring the baseline up..." exactly
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 31, 2021 11:16:31 GMT -5
Also more O line good news as of Ed from BBV (who is one of the lucky ones at camp and can report
I know early but last year early Carter was having his way with Thomas at times ...
Another tweet said Thomas looks totally comfortable and smooth out there.... If this is indeed the trend we can hopefully turn a ? Into a "waykuul"
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 31, 2021 11:17:22 GMT -5
There you go He can play guard as well.. Bring the baseline up for the interior of ths line and make our depth more solid overall "bring the baseline up..." exactly You are only as good as your depth... Same with our recievers and secondary now ...
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Post by vinnie on Jul 31, 2021 11:35:08 GMT -5
Underrated?! Lay off the pipe Rapoport.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 31, 2021 14:28:20 GMT -5
If he has such a good eye for the O line why in the hell did he draft a RB with the second overall pick to run behind one of the worst lines in the league? Why is he going into year 4 of being GM and his number one priority, the O line, is still the weakest link on the team? Why has the O line been consistently ranked in the bottom of the league since he took over? Why have we had more linemen come in and out then any other team in the league over the past 4 years? Why did he draft the worst of the “big 4” tackles taken in the draft (so far)? Why has the the top of the second round pick, Hernandez, turned out to be a bust for where he was drafted? Coaching can only be blamed on so much. The only thing I liked about the DG hire was how he talked about how important it was to build from the inside out and that the O line was his number one priority. He failed miserably at both and I’m now convinced he absolutely sucks at evaluating O line talent. Picking a RB at #2 has nothing to do with an eye for OL. He has taken steps each year to improve the OL. We will see if all the resources he poured into it in year 3 works out. Having an eye for talent does not mean he is perfect nor does it mean he can overcome poor coaching. Some of his moves didn't work out, some can be blamed on coaching, some on him making the wrong decision.
Also I can't help but laugh at your worst of the big 4 comment. We are really judging a draft class after 1 year? Wirfs doesn't even play LT. Mekhi Becton was not drafted because he's an injury risk and missed several games already. And Wills is a stud, no complaints. It's way to early to decide if Judge got it right or not. I do wonder what made us pass on Wills considering our connection to Bama.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 31, 2021 14:51:57 GMT -5
If he has such a good eye for the O line why in the hell did he draft a RB with the second overall pick to run behind one of the worst lines in the league? Why is he going into year 4 of being GM and his number one priority, the O line, is still the weakest link on the team? Why has the O line been consistently ranked in the bottom of the league since he took over? Why have we had more linemen come in and out then any other team in the league over the past 4 years? Why did he draft the worst of the “big 4” tackles taken in the draft (so far)? Why has the the top of the second round pick, Hernandez, turned out to be a bust for where he was drafted? Coaching can only be blamed on so much. The only thing I liked about the DG hire was how he talked about how important it was to build from the inside out and that the O line was his number one priority. He failed miserably at both and I’m now convinced he absolutely sucks at evaluating O line talent. Picking a RB at #2 has nothing to do with an eye for OL. He has taken steps each year to improve the OL. We will see if all the resources he poured into it in year 3 works out. Having an eye for talent does not mean he is perfect nor does it mean he can overcome poor coaching. Some of his moves didn't work out, some can be blamed on coaching, some on him making the wrong decision.
Also I can't help but laugh at your worst of the big 4 comment. We are really judging a draft class after 1 year? Wirfs doesn't even play LT. Mekhi Becton was not drafted because he's an injury risk and missed several games already. And Wills is a stud, no complaints. It's way to early to decide if Judge got it right or not. I do wonder what made us pass on Wills considering our connection to Bama.
Wirfs is going to be a borderline perennial all pro at RT..he actually has said many times he prefers RT because of how extreme right handed he is in many aspects of life and just feels comfortable there,and in modern NFL having a great RT is as important as LT,and seeing as the Bucs had a good LT already it was a perfect fit. We needed both sides...we drafted for both sides with the hope Thoamas becomes a rock there.... This "worst of the big 4" nincompoople is just another hot take
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 31, 2021 15:01:39 GMT -5
More good news for the O line via Ed BBV
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Post by GameTime on Jul 31, 2021 15:11:10 GMT -5
Also more O line good news as of Ed from BBV (who is one of the lucky ones at camp and can report I know early but last year early Carter was having his way with Thomas at times ... Another tweet said Thomas looks totally comfortable and smooth out there.... If this is indeed the trend we can hopefully turn a ? Into a "waykuul" inside moves were his killer last season
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 31, 2021 15:27:12 GMT -5
Underrated?! Lay off the pipe Rapoport. We get it … you hate the guy
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Post by McCherry on Jul 31, 2021 15:27:27 GMT -5
Don't know if this means Reiter is signing with the Texans or still coming in. I did not think Looney played well last year.
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 31, 2021 15:35:13 GMT -5
"bring the baseline up..." exactly You are only as good as your depth... Same with our recievers and secondary now ... we all saw what happened to Kansas City in the SB when they had no O line depth behind their injured starters...
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