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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 25, 2021 20:35:29 GMT -5
If his injuries continue and he can't stay on the field it will come back to bight Gettlemen. Every GM gets bit by injuries. Maybe some more than others...... Agree but you know the hounds are already ravenous lol. If the rookie Robinson didn't have a core injury things would look a bit better Love can handle the outside so can Peppers at times same with X, hopefully he can get back in a few weeks be ready for the season .
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Post by giantsalmon on Aug 25, 2021 20:44:49 GMT -5
I have no idea what "conclusions" the press have reached....but here's mine.
We signed a declining, aging TE with a troubling recent injury history. No one has a crystal ball but it's troubling that he hasn't been able to function as a football player until today. Now we all seem sure he'll survive a 17 game NFL schedule. And play at a level he hasn't played at in a few years.
Well maybe he will, but the facts suggest that's a long shot.
He is here as a complimentary piece not as the lead dog not worried about him as long as his snap count stays reasonable We signed him as the "anti Engram". Much less athletic but he has one of the lowest drops pct. in the NFL.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 25, 2021 20:50:56 GMT -5
He is here as a complimentary piece not as the lead dog not worried about him as long as his snap count stays reasonable We signed him as the "anti Engram". Much less athletic but he has one of the lowest drops pct. in the NFL. He is gonna bloc and be a 3rd down and redzone threat.
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Post by McCherry on Aug 25, 2021 21:08:50 GMT -5
The point with Rudolph is the press jumped to a conclusion, even though last week they were told by the GM the team was aware of the injury before the signing and had a timeline set by team doctors. "He could miss 6 weeks", they said... Here we are, with Rudolph potentially ready by week 1 all according to plan. All the press had to do was listen. I have no idea what "conclusions" the press have reached....but here's mine.
We signed a declining, aging TE with a troubling recent injury history. No one has a crystal ball but it's troubling that he hasn't been able to function as a football player until today. Now we all seem sure he'll survive a 17 game NFL schedule. And play at a level he hasn't played at in a few years.
Well maybe he will, but the facts suggest that's a long shot.
Why? All of that was predicted and planned before he ever signed the contract.
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Post by DonnieYen on Aug 25, 2021 21:37:46 GMT -5
3 weeks to heal This is why we kept Beal ... Camp body I predict Jackson starts season on IR with this, first game back would be the Saints, best case scenario. he has three weeks to heal up I'm confident he will be ready week 1!
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 25, 2021 21:48:28 GMT -5
I have no idea what "conclusions" the press have reached....but here's mine.
We signed a declining, aging TE with a troubling recent injury history. No one has a crystal ball but it's troubling that he hasn't been able to function as a football player until today. Now we all seem sure he'll survive a 17 game NFL schedule. And play at a level he hasn't played at in a few years.
Well maybe he will, but the facts suggest that's a long shot.
Why? All of that was predicted and planned before he ever signed the contract. Geez.....That makes it sound even worse.
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Post by lexington11 on Aug 25, 2021 23:58:13 GMT -5
His ankle isn’t as bad as feared. He hasn’t even been ruled out of practice today yet. Let’s pump the brakes.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 26, 2021 0:16:42 GMT -5
His ankle isn’t as bad as feared. He hasn’t even been ruled out of practice today yet. Let’s pump the brakes. We have all been conditioned to Murphy's law with this team
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Aug 26, 2021 3:47:47 GMT -5
Omg. They barely got and play time yet . Smfh
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 26, 2021 5:15:14 GMT -5
I bet you won't bash him for drafting DBs though. I would this year considering our O line. We already had a pretty solid secondary last year and added an allegedly very good FA to bolster it even more whereas they literally did nothing in the draft or FA to make a significant impact on the OL. Fair enough. I look forward to seeing how things turn out. DG/Judge will either be big baffoons or genius'.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 26, 2021 7:05:46 GMT -5
Every GM gets bit by injuries. Maybe some more than others...... No excuses for DG this year, I don’t care if Jones has one leg. who's making excuses? Injuries are part of every day life in the NFL. Thats why depth is important
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Post by repeatchamps on Aug 26, 2021 9:14:40 GMT -5
The point with Rudolph is the press jumped to a conclusion, even though last week they were told by the GM the team was aware of the injury before the signing and had a timeline set by team doctors. "He could miss 6 weeks", they said... Here we are, with Rudolph potentially ready by week 1 all according to plan. All the press had to do was listen. I have no idea what "conclusions" the press have reached....but here's mine.
We signed a declining, aging TE with a troubling recent injury history. No one has a crystal ball but it's troubling that he hasn't been able to function as a football player until today. Now we all seem sure he'll survive a 17 game NFL schedule. And play at a level he hasn't played at in a few years.
Well maybe he will, but the facts suggest that's a long shot.
Maybe so but they need him as a situational blocker and a situational threat in the red zone. If anyone thought signing Rudolph should have been/would be for anything more than that they were dreaming.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 26, 2021 10:23:00 GMT -5
Two weeks ago MFs here were trash talking DG for drafting DBs instead of OL....those posts didn't age well lol. Give it a few weeks into the season when our offense can’t get going because our OL is playing like it has in 2020, 2019, 2018…and you’ll have MFs here clamoring, “what do you expect Jones and Barkley do behind this OL? Are they supposed to miraculously block for themselves too?!” Well to be fair those years you mentioned our GM DID invest heavily in free agency and the draft in the OL and it didn't work out. Why not try something new? Why not try actually developing some talent on this team for once? Also it's not about the OL, it's about people bashing him for adding more DBs when it was our deepest position.
Just a thought.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 26, 2021 10:24:59 GMT -5
I have no idea what "conclusions" the press have reached....but here's mine.
We signed a declining, aging TE with a troubling recent injury history. No one has a crystal ball but it's troubling that he hasn't been able to function as a football player until today. Now we all seem sure he'll survive a 17 game NFL schedule. And play at a level he hasn't played at in a few years.
Well maybe he will, but the facts suggest that's a long shot.
Maybe so but they need him as a situational blocker and a situational threat in the red zone. If anyone thought signing Rudolph should have been/would be for anything more than that they were dreaming. 100%
He is here to give us an option to move the chains on 3rd and 7 and to score in the redzone. I expect he would catch 30-40 passes with a heavy percent being for a first down or TD.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 26, 2021 10:51:45 GMT -5
Maybe so but they need him as a situational blocker and a situational threat in the red zone. If anyone thought signing Rudolph should have been/would be for anything more than that they were dreaming. 100%
He is here to give us an option to move the chains on 3rd and 7 and to score in the redzone. I expect he would catch 30-40 passes with a heavy percent being for a first down or TD.
That's actually very optimistic in my view.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2021 11:25:22 GMT -5
Give it a few weeks into the season when our offense can’t get going because our OL is playing like it has in 2020, 2019, 2018…and you’ll have MFs here clamoring, “what do you expect Jones and Barkley do behind this OL? Are they supposed to miraculously block for themselves too?!” Well to be fair those years you mentioned our GM DID invest heavily in free agency and the draft in the OL and it didn't work out. Why not try something new? Why not try actually developing some talent on this team for once? Also it's not about the OL, it's about people bashing him for adding more DBs when it was our deepest position.
Just a thought.
Seems like you and I have another different view of what Getty has done to improve this team.. It seems very obvious the oline is built through the draft yet Getty selected only a 2nd rounder and a 6th rounder in 2018 and 2019. He did finally invest in another high round player and then 2 more 3rd day picks in 2020 only to offset that by ignoring it again in 2021.. So where is the heavily invested draft of olineman?? 5 is the count I see.. Mean while he has drafted 8 CBs these last 4 years and sign 2 high end CBs in FA compared to one Olineman..
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Post by vinnie on Aug 26, 2021 11:26:11 GMT -5
No excuses for DG this year, I don’t care if Jones has one leg. who's making excuses? Injuries are part of every day life in the NFL. Thats why depth is important I agree with you and no one yet but believe you me, the steadfast DG and Judge homers will be out in full force with the injury excuse if/when we start losing games.
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Post by vinnie on Aug 26, 2021 11:29:01 GMT -5
Well to be fair those years you mentioned our GM DID invest heavily in free agency and the draft in the OL and it didn't work out. Why not try something new? Why not try actually developing some talent on this team for once? Also it's not about the OL, it's about people bashing him for adding more DBs when it was our deepest position.
Just a thought.
Seems like you and I have another different view of what Getty has done to improve this team.. It seems very obvious the oline is built through the draft yet Getty selected only a 2nd rounder and a 6th rounder in 2018 and 2019. He did finally invest in another high round player and then 2 more 3rd day picks in 2020 only to offset that by ignoring it again in 2021.. So where is the heavily invested draft of olineman?? 5 is the count I see.. Mean while he has drafted 8 CBs these last 4 years and sign 2 high end CBs in FA compared to one Olineman.. Don’t forget, DG gets credit and a slap on the back for drafting O linemen or picking them up in FA no matter how bad they are. I mean why not, that’s how every other CEO or manager of a company gets to keep their job, just by trying, right?
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Post by GameTime on Aug 26, 2021 11:32:27 GMT -5
who's making excuses? Injuries are part of every day life in the NFL. Thats why depth is important I agree with you and no one yet but believe you me, the steadfast DG and Judge homers will be out in full force with the injury excuse if/when we start losing games. well...all depends on how many injuries do occur. A handful of teams get screwed by that each season. Some weren't prepared and some are but the too many injuries will damage any roster no matter how good. At some point the injuries may be actual reasons and not excuses. NYGs were not thin at all at DB. On the OL...they may be thin depending on how many players step up and improve and how many dont. The other position groups have pretty decent depth IMO. QB is this but thats pretty much normal .
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Post by vinnie on Aug 26, 2021 12:55:32 GMT -5
I agree with you and no one yet but believe you me, the steadfast DG and Judge homers will be out in full force with the injury excuse if/when we start losing games. well...all depends on how many injuries do occur. A handful of teams get screwed by that each season. Some weren't prepared and some are but the too many injuries will damage any roster no matter how good. At some point the injuries may be actual reasons and not excuses. NYGs were not thin at all at DB. On the OL...they may be thin depending on how many players step up and improve and how many dont. The other position groups have pretty decent depth IMO. QB is this but thats pretty much normal . That’s true and it also depends on who. DG and Joe Judge apparently didn’t mind pursuing FA’s with injuries and it just so happens those are the same players currently injured. If they miss time, that’s on DG and JJ. I really don’t care if the current injuries are related to the old ones or not, or whether team doctors cleared them. Some players and some positions are more injury prone than others, that should have been taken into consideration so if it comes back to bite them so be it. They made their bed now they have to lay in it.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 26, 2021 13:05:54 GMT -5
well...all depends on how many injuries do occur. A handful of teams get screwed by that each season. Some weren't prepared and some are but the too many injuries will damage any roster no matter how good. At some point the injuries may be actual reasons and not excuses. NYGs were not thin at all at DB. On the OL...they may be thin depending on how many players step up and improve and how many dont. The other position groups have pretty decent depth IMO. QB is this but thats pretty much normal . That’s true and it also depends on who. DG and Joe Judge apparently didn’t mind pursuing FA’s with injuries and it just so happens those are the same players currently injured. If they miss time, that’s on DG and JJ. I really don’t care if the current injuries are related to the old ones or not, or whether team doctors cleared them. Some players and some positions are more injury prone than others, that should have been taken into consideration so if it comes back to bite them so be it. They made their bed now they have to lay in it. I get that and it will be on them for sure. I wonder what the injury rate % of FAs is? I bet its pretty high. Buyer beware....
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Post by TEM on Aug 26, 2021 13:56:55 GMT -5
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Post by GameTime on Aug 26, 2021 14:21:50 GMT -5
yeah....but there is potential, obviously, for this to be an issue. Ankles get weak and loose. He will need to be taped up. Hopefully wont effect his coverage abilities.
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Post by TEM on Aug 26, 2021 14:23:33 GMT -5
yeah....but there is potential, obviously, for this to be an issue. Ankles get weak and loose. He will need to be taped up. Hopefully wont effect his coverage abilities. I am optimistic he will fine.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 26, 2021 19:17:09 GMT -5
yeah....but there is potential, obviously, for this to be an issue. Ankles get weak and loose. He will need to be taped up. Hopefully wont effect his coverage abilities. I am optimistic he will fine. We need more fans like you. All this pessimism is crazy, who do they think they are? Me?
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Post by TEM on Aug 26, 2021 19:30:19 GMT -5
I am optimistic he will fine. We need more fans like you. All the pessimism is crazy, who do they think they are? Me? IDK. We take very basic things for granted and without forethought . With all the F-ed up s### that is going on in the world . We have more and live better than all that have come before us. Yet a lot of us walk around measurable. I chose to be happy today and I will try to tomorrow also. Life is too short.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 27, 2021 5:02:09 GMT -5
100%
He is here to give us an option to move the chains on 3rd and 7 and to score in the redzone. I expect he would catch 30-40 passes with a heavy percent being for a first down or TD.
That's actually very optimistic in my view. Probably optimistic in total number of catches but certainly not in the way we would use him.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 27, 2021 5:03:38 GMT -5
It seems very obvious the oline is built through the draft That is an incorrect assumption by you.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 27, 2021 5:05:09 GMT -5
Well to be fair those years you mentioned our GM DID invest heavily in free agency and the draft in the OL and it didn't work out. Why not try something new? Why not try actually developing some talent on this team for once? Also it's not about the OL, it's about people bashing him for adding more DBs when it was our deepest position.
Just a thought.
I'm of the ilk that you keep building the trenches until it's right. But don't neglect the rest of the team obviously. As you may remember from the "Saquon" thread I prioritize the following: 1. QB 2. OL 3. DL 4. CB Well of course you keep going until it's right. It was obviously this teams opinion that they got the right OL, so they didn't invest heavily into it this year. We shall find out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2021 6:41:18 GMT -5
It seems very obvious the oline is built through the draft That is an incorrect assumption by you. Cool we disagree again.. This is fun and I see the other stuff you got schooled on was ignored.. Well played!
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