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Post by TEM on Sept 24, 2021 8:37:48 GMT -5
I can only show the the facts on what Ruhle and his agent did. They wanted the giants to match an offer and not go through the interview process. It was a classless act. In that situation if you have a ethical standard. You either A) inform the Giants you have taken an offer and thank them for their consideration. B) keep you mouth shut. Go through the interview process and see if they want to hire you and what the will offer. Not classless at all. As I remember it, he was just about to get on the plane the next day or so to see the Giants. It was pretty much a done deal with Carolina so the only way he would go see the Giants is if they were willing to match it. They just couldn't do it and he took the Carolina job. I'm glad he actually gave them a chance to match or beat it. If the Giants were okay with the money, he would have boarded the plane as originally intended. Carolina just blew him away with the offer. It absolutely was classless. No employer would accept those terms from any potential prospect. I laid out what anyone with integrity would have done on post 54 in this thread. No employer will allow any subordinate to strong arm them. That is reality. If you are so certain Rhule was correct. On you next Job interview do what you believe is classy. The day before the interview. Tell them you have an offer on the table come up with some number and attempt to get them to match it . If you are doing the right thing as you say. It should work out well for you.
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Post by SG88 on Sept 24, 2021 8:40:17 GMT -5
That is a good point. Why do Giants fans throw tons of shade at other players and coaches to bring them down to our subpar level? I never got that. 3-0 is 3-0. When was the last time we were 3-0? Rhule has them playing very well and they have an identity. Another question is what is the Giants identity? Makes no sense to me either. If we were 3-0 to start the season those same fans would be gloating about it. At the end of the day, a win is a win, a d your record is who you are. The Panthers should be psyched about their team and Coach right now. I did find the answer to one of the questions. 2009 was the last time we started 3-0.
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Post by TEM on Sept 24, 2021 8:41:20 GMT -5
How is that relevant to the way Rhule and his agent attempted to strong arm the Ginats' ownership? Not intended at you I just want someone to use logic on why after Rhule and his agent demanded to the Giants to pay me this now or I will go else where. Without interviewing and over the phone? Explain why he Giants' owners were wrong in doing what that did at the time of the call. This is not about money at time of the call. It is about Rhule and his agent not using any integrity or ethics in their approach. It isn't relevant to the topic, but it was relevant to the post that I quoted. The entire topic of this thread is about what transpired the day before the interview . I guess most on this board fail to have any memory of events on what took place.
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Post by Giggles on Sept 24, 2021 8:42:26 GMT -5
I'm just disappointed that Judge's used car salesman act worked on Mara. The definition of a fake tough guy if I ever saw one.
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Post by SG88 on Sept 24, 2021 8:45:19 GMT -5
It isn't relevant to the topic, but it was relevant to the post that I quoted. The entire topic of this thread is about what transpired the day before the interview . I guess most on this board fail to have any memory of events of that event. We go off topic in threads all of the time man. Anyways, Rhule isn't here because he got a great offer from Carolina and the Giants were still paying 2 head coaches that they fired. Having 3 head coaches on the payroll isn't ideal. Paying one of those 3 coaches 9 mil a year definitely is not.
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Post by SG88 on Sept 24, 2021 8:45:36 GMT -5
I'm just disappointed that Judge's used car salesman act worked on Mara. The definition of a fake tough guy if I ever saw one. Lmfao
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 24, 2021 8:47:40 GMT -5
Darnolds career with the Jets is a classic example of how a good player being on a bad team will always suck, I'm glad for him that he got the hell away from the Jets instead of ruining his career with a shit team...
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 24, 2021 8:51:54 GMT -5
The Giants hopefully will get there defense together. that game the Giants left 11 points on the field that they stopped themselves Washington had nothing to do with it that would have been 40 think you are underestimating our team a bit. that's the difference right now. Rhule has prepared Carolina winning the games they should win. While Judge has people making excuses why the Giants lost. It is in the details the difference between winning and losing.
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Post by SG88 on Sept 24, 2021 8:52:11 GMT -5
Darnolds career with the Jets is a classic example of how a good player being on a bad team will always suck, I'm glad for him that he got the hell away from the Jets instead of ruining his career with a shit team... They truly did him a favor when they traded him. I think that the Jets have the right HC and QB going forward though.
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Post by TEM on Sept 24, 2021 8:53:54 GMT -5
The entire topic of this thread is about what transpired the day before the interview . I guess most on this board fail to have any memory of events of that event. We go off topic in threads all of the time man. Anyways, Rhule isn't here because he got a great offer from Carolina and the Giants were still paying 2 head coaches that they fired. Having 3 head coaches on the payroll isn't ideal. Paying one of those 3 coaches 9 mil a year definitely is not. Again that is not why they told him no. He tried to strong are them. No employer will put up with that. Where is the argument against that? Mara should have done that? Show me one time where a HC told a team you hire me now or else without an interview? Not to mention he has never been on an NFL field. If you are an owner and I am putting you on the spot . What would you say to him ? If the answer is yes . Explain the logic behind hiring a rookie HC without on phone call that just demanded you do this or else?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 24, 2021 9:00:51 GMT -5
Right now Matt Rhule looks pretty good but when the Giants had his agent calling them to match, At that time with out benefit of hind sight are you gonna hire a guy with 0 proven track record for 10 mill per, After seeing guys like Saban not get it done in the NFL maybe the greatest college coach ever before him their was the old ball coach Spurier or Erickson. Successful college guys are no guarantee I get why they didn't match Gruden money for an un- none.
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Post by repeatchamps on Sept 24, 2021 9:04:17 GMT -5
Darnolds career with the Jets is a classic example of how a good player being on a bad team will always suck, I'm glad for him that he got the hell away from the Jets instead of ruining his career with a shit team... They truly did him a favor when they traded him. I think that the Jets have the right HC and QB going forward though. Remains to be seen. 1st time head coach and another high picked QB they hope pans out. This has blown up in their faces before. They do not rebuild that O-line and defense properly another highly drafted Jets QB will go to waste and the head coach will lose many games.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 24, 2021 9:05:54 GMT -5
We go off topic in threads all of the time man. Anyways, Rhule isn't here because he got a great offer from Carolina and the Giants were still paying 2 head coaches that they fired. Having 3 head coaches on the payroll isn't ideal. Paying one of those 3 coaches 9 mil a year definitely is not. Again that is not why they told him no. He tried to strong are them. No employer will put up with that. Where is the argument against that? Mara should have done that? Show me one time where a HC told a team you hire me now or else without an interview? Not to mention he has never been on an NFL field. If you are an owner and I am putting you on the spot . What would you say to him ? If the answer is yes . Explain the logic behind hiring a rookie HC without on phone call that just demanded you do this or else? How do we know that any of this is true?
I'm just asking because this is the kind of information that would only be known by a few people, if true.
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Post by TEM on Sept 24, 2021 9:08:45 GMT -5
Again that is not why they told him no. He tried to strong are them. No employer will put up with that. Where is the argument against that? Mara should have done that? Show me one time where a HC told a team you hire me now or else without an interview? Not to mention he has never been on an NFL field. If you are an owner and I am putting you on the spot . What would you say to him ? If the answer is yes . Explain the logic behind hiring a rookie HC without on phone call that just demanded you do this or else? How do we know that any of this is true?
I'm just asking because this is the kind of information that would only be known by a few people, if true.
Read post 44.
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Post by TEM on Sept 24, 2021 9:16:36 GMT -5
Here is another one quoted by Rhule. empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-giants/new-york-giants-matt-rhule-says-agent-handled-negotiations-with-giants/His agent handled the talks with the Giants, who were set to interview Rhule in addition to the Panthers… But the Giants chose not to fight for Rhule and instead went with Joe Judge, who had impressed the front office in his own interview.Hence furthering that Rhule and his Agent were trying to strong arm Mara You can ascertain and it is discernable with logic. If Rhule and not his agent told the Giants thank you for their consideration and he accepted a position with the Panthers without "match what I was offered or else" That tweet would have been gracious towards the Giants wanting interview him.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 24, 2021 9:38:50 GMT -5
Here is another one quoted by Rhule. empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-giants/new-york-giants-matt-rhule-says-agent-handled-negotiations-with-giants/His agent handled the talks with the Giants, who were set to interview Rhule in addition to the Panthers… But the Giants chose not to fight for Rhule and instead went with Joe Judge, who had impressed the front office in his own interview.Hence furthering that Rhule and his Agent were trying to strong arm Mara You can ascertain and it is discernable wit logic. If Rhule and not his agent told the Giants thank you for their consideration and he accepted a position with the Panthers without "match what I was offered or else" That tweet would have been gracious towards the Giants wanting interview him. Before Matt Rhule came to the NFL did anyone here think he was a better coach then Saban. Saban came to the NFL and didn't make it why would anyone pay a guy suorbowl champion coach money with 0 track record he might be worth it in hind sight. He came in at the right time a dopey weirdo had to sell his franchise and a Billionaire bought it liked what he had to offer, at that time over paid him and until he wins a superbowl he is over paid.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 24, 2021 9:43:52 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing about our first 3 opponents. Was about to say the same. Going into the season “we could easily be 3-0 to start the season.” Now? Apparently our first three opponents are the murderer’s row of schedules. Pretty sure the same people bashing Carolina for who they’ve played so far will talk about how improved we look and how good this team really is after we beat lowly Atlanta.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 24, 2021 9:51:21 GMT -5
Right now Matt Rhule looks pretty good but when the Giants had his agent calling them to match, At that time with out benefit of hind sight are you gonna hire a guy with 0 proven track record for 10 mill per, After seeing guys like Saban not get it done in the NFL maybe the greatest college coach ever before him their was the old ball coach Spurier or Erickson. Successful college guys are no guarantee I get why they didn't match Gruden money for an un- none. Putting everything else aside, I would have taken my chances with Rhule who turned a college football program in a few years around and made their offense dynamic over another Bill Billichick disciple with no HC, OC, or DC experience. Our coach, coaching staff and GM still think 90’s football strategy will work in todays league, at least Rhule seems in touch with modern day football.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 24, 2021 9:52:56 GMT -5
Rhule was demanding a hefty sum of money. He signed a seven-year, $60 million contract with the Panthers. I applaud the Giants for not paying an unproven coach that kind of money. And cause Gettlemen was the GM and clearly had done enough to keep his job. Also, anyone care who Mara spends $60MM on? not me. Funny, I didn't hear one person complaining about money when they hired Judge over Rhule. I haven't changed my mind because the Panthers opened the season against 3 of the worst teams in football.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 24, 2021 9:56:36 GMT -5
Right now Matt Rhule looks pretty good but when the Giants had his agent calling them to match, At that time with out benefit of hind sight are you gonna hire a guy with 0 proven track record for 10 mill per, After seeing guys like Saban not get it done in the NFL maybe the greatest college coach ever before him their was the old ball coach Spurier or Erickson. Successful college guys are no guarantee I get why they didn't match Gruden money for an un- none. Putting everything else aside, I would have taken my chances with Rhule who turned a college football program in a few years around and made their offense dynamic over another Bill Billichick disciple with no HC, OC, or DC experience. Our coach, coaching staff and GM still think 90’s football strategy will work in todays league, at least Rhule seems in touch with modern day football. That is easy to say right now and spending some one else money 10 mill for a guy with college resume little to rich and it should be he didn't prove anything to that point. I would like a modern style coach and was hoping Judge was gonna go in the direction, Still paying him like he just won a superbowl.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 24, 2021 10:07:30 GMT -5
Putting everything else aside, I would have taken my chances with Rhule who turned a college football program in a few years around and made their offense dynamic over another Bill Billichick disciple with no HC, OC, or DC experience. Our coach, coaching staff and GM still think 90’s football strategy will work in todays league, at least Rhule seems in touch with modern day football. That is easy to say right now and spending some one else money 10 mill for a guy with college resume little to rich and it should be he didn't prove anything to that point. I would like a modern style coach and was hoping Judge was gonna go in the direction, Still paying him like he just won a superbowl. Well of course it’s not my money and is hypothetical but I also wanted Rhule from the get go and thought we would get him. I live about. 2.5 hours from Waco and follow the big 12 closely, I saw what he did with Baylor on an almost weekly basis. He also has strong ties to the NY/NJ area and I believe grew up as a Giants fan. He was an assistant O line coach for the Giants under Coughlin. What do you mean he didn’t prove anything? He started off with a 2-12 Temple team and had them in the double digit win category within 2 years. He started off with a 1-11 Baylor team, after the Briles debacle, and had them 11-3 two years later. He also won Big 12 coach of the year and got Baylor to the Sugar Bowl. What has Judge done? Talk a tough game and coached special teams under Saban and BB like ~100 other coaches over the years?
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Post by McCherry on Sept 24, 2021 10:08:49 GMT -5
Was about to say the same. Going into the season “we could easily be 3-0 to start the season.” Now? Apparently our first three opponents are the murderer’s row of schedules. Pretty sure the same people bashing Carolina for who they’ve played so far will talk about how improved we look and how good this team really is after we beat lowly Atlanta. You recently said a win over Atlanta would mean nothing. By defending the Panthers easy schedule, you've already contradicted yourself.
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Post by Dogecoin on Sept 24, 2021 10:09:17 GMT -5
I think every football fan would love to have the 3 opponents the Panthers are opening the season against. I was thinking the same thing about our first 3 opponents. giants opening schedule looked like a cakewalk too -- turns out for their opponents it was
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 24, 2021 10:28:25 GMT -5
That is easy to say right now and spending some one else money 10 mill for a guy with college resume little to rich and it should be he didn't prove anything to that point. I would like a modern style coach and was hoping Judge was gonna go in the direction, Still paying him like he just won a superbowl. Well of course it’s not my money and is hypothetical but I also wanted Rhule from the get go and thought we would get him. I live about. 2.5 hours from Waco and follow the big 12 closely, I saw what he did with Baylor on an almost weekly basis. He also has strong ties to the NY/NJ area and I believe grew up as a Giants fan. He was an assistant O line coach for the Giants under Coughlin. What do you mean he didn’t prove anything? He started off with a 2-12 Temple team and had them in the double digit win category within 2 years. He started off with a 1-11 Baylor team, after the Briles debacle, and had them 11-3 two years later. He also won Big 12 coach of the year and got Baylor to the Sugar Bowl. What has Judge done? Talk a tough game and coached special teams under Saban and BB like ~100 other coaches over the years? I thought he was gonna be the guy also but when the billion dollar owner got involved I kind of new he wasn't gonna come, no smart person turns down ten mill per over sentiment. Special teams guys can do the job and I think Judge is up to it wether he gets a chance is another thing, Guess it depends if he is tied to Gettlemen. were still only 2 games in when the season is over will e interesting to say eh least.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Sept 24, 2021 10:32:12 GMT -5
Why do you guys care about how much we pay a HC? It doesn't count vs the cap. I don't give crap what they pay a HC, if they feel he is the right guy, get him. These are billion dollar organizations. $9m a year is Corn Flakes to them. Now if we are talking personality, I get it. He came across as a dick from what I heard. exactly heck I sure don't and I mean they all are overpaid anyway including he players. The owners too so yeah entertainment is overpaid tbh.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 24, 2021 10:33:42 GMT -5
I'm taking anything from Rhule but I think when you start with the Jets and their rookie QB next up you git the Winston Saints a month away from home because the Hurricane and 8 coach son Covid list, Next the Texans gotta be cautious before anointing him the next great thing.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 24, 2021 10:39:07 GMT -5
I'm just disappointed that Judge's used car salesman act worked on Mara. The definition of a fake tough guy if I ever saw one. It's beginning to look that way.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 24, 2021 10:44:01 GMT -5
Here is another one quoted by Rhule. empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-giants/new-york-giants-matt-rhule-says-agent-handled-negotiations-with-giants/His agent handled the talks with the Giants, who were set to interview Rhule in addition to the Panthers… But the Giants chose not to fight for Rhule and instead went with Joe Judge, who had impressed the front office in his own interview.Hence furthering that Rhule and his Agent were trying to strong arm Mara You can ascertain and it is discernable wit logic. If Rhule and not his agent told the Giants thank you for their consideration and he accepted a position with the Panthers without "match what I was offered or else" That tweet would have been gracious towards the Giants wanting interview him. Before Matt Rhule came to the NFL did anyone here think he was a better coach then Saban. Saban came to the NFL and didn't make it why would anyone pay a guy suorbowl champion coach money with 0 track record he might be worth it in hind sight. He came in at the right time a dopey weirdo had to sell his franchise and a Billionaire bought it liked what he had to offer, at that time over paid him and until he wins a superbowl he is over paid. This is a message board; everything is after the fact. The removal of any constraints of time and place make the decisions much more binary, it's a lot easier this way. What people say today may or may not have any connection to what they may have thought or said at the time.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 24, 2021 10:44:57 GMT -5
And cause Gettlemen was the GM and clearly had done enough to keep his job. Also, anyone care who Mara spends $60MM on? not me. Funny, I didn't hear one person complaining about money when they hired Judge over Rhule. I haven't changed my mind because the Panthers opened the season against 3 of the worst teams in football.Wait, we played them already? I guess I missed that.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 24, 2021 10:47:23 GMT -5
I'm just disappointed that Judge's used car salesman act worked on Mara. The definition of a fake tough guy if I ever saw one. It's beginning to look that way. Judge is a fraud in week two? Jeez, you're usually more level-headed than that. If you’ve already jumped ship, this forum is in trouble.
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