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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2021 22:32:32 GMT -5
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Post by lexington11 on Sept 30, 2021 0:03:51 GMT -5
Danny Dimes Ain't The Problem! He ain't the answer either. Consider this: Jones is playing decently enough but not well enough to win games. That's not the mark of a 6th overall pick "franchise QB." well he can’t win games by himself now can he? He’s the only reason they are in these games. How did mahomes look last Year behind that crap oline in that super bowl drubbing? How about this year? He must suck too.
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Post by BlueReign on Sept 30, 2021 11:10:09 GMT -5
Jones is playing very well while not being allowed to use his best asset. His razor sharp wit? His downfield passing ability!
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Post by GameTime on Sept 30, 2021 11:25:39 GMT -5
Jones has been the problem in many games.
So far in 3 games he's bee good. Except the fumble vs Denver. Thats was huge.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 30, 2021 12:42:47 GMT -5
well he can’t win games by himself now can he? He’s the only reason they are in these games. How did mahomes look last Year behind that crap oline in that super bowl drubbing? How about this year? He must suck too. 1. Oh god, the "Mahomes" hot take, again. Like Moose and Maggie just said today, "can you stop with the Mahomes thing? Putting them in the same sentence is living in a bizzaro world." Mahomes 2021: 940 yards, 70 comp%, 9 TDs, 3 INTs, 112 QB rating Jones 2021: 782 yards, 65 comp%, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, 94 QB rating Stop mentioning Mahomes and Jones in the same sentence for your own sake. 2. Also, I never said Jones sucks. So stop presenting a strawman for you to argue against. 3. Sam Darnold is 3-0. I guess that means he's better than Mahomes? Both hot takes are straw men. I thought that was the zero sum point of it all, to cancel out these inane hyperbolic stances. Comparing Mahomes to nearly any other current QB is living in bizarro world. As has been the case for quite some time now, there are about two or three QBs that defy the team they are on and actually do to some extent fit the media's contrived magical QB narrative, however that is defined. Mahomes is currently one of them. It's crazy to compare the other roughly 30 QBs to guys like that.
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Post by Delicreep on Sept 30, 2021 13:19:46 GMT -5
well he can’t win games by himself now can he? He’s the only reason they are in these games. How did mahomes look last Year behind that crap oline in that super bowl drubbing? How about this year? He must suck too. 1. Oh god, the "Mahomes" hot take, again. Like Moose and Maggie just said today, "can you stop with the Mahomes thing? Putting them in the same sentence is living in a bizzaro world." Mahomes 2021: 940 yards, 70 comp%, 9 TDs, 3 INTs, 112 QB rating Jones 2021: 782 yards, 65 comp%, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, 94 QB rating Stop mentioning Mahomes and Jones in the same sentence for your own sake. 2. Also, I never said Jones sucks. So stop presenting a strawman for you to argue against. 3. Sam Darnold is 3-0. I guess that means he's better than Mahomes? I'm curious...how many QB's do you think would be leading this team to wins?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 13:50:42 GMT -5
I'm curious...how many QB's do you think would be leading this team to wins? Off the top of my head probably 5 - 7 or so. Ask Watson ( a top 5 QB) how that worked out last year lol
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Post by Delicreep on Sept 30, 2021 14:16:58 GMT -5
I'm curious...how many QB's do you think would be leading this team to wins? Off the top of my head probably 5 - 7 or so. Tough level to crack...hard to see how the math isn't improve the cast around him rather than replace him and roll the dice you can hit a top 7 QB.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 14:21:23 GMT -5
Ask Watson ( a top 5 QB) how that worked out last year lol Do you ever offer anything meaningful? personal prespective is everything 🤷🏿♂️
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 30, 2021 14:33:22 GMT -5
Off the top of my head probably 5 - 7 or so. Tough level to crack...hard to see how the math isn't improve the cast around him rather than replace him and roll the dice you can hit a top 7 QB. Honestly After like Mahomes ans Brady(yes he is still in that upper echelon) The next tier of Allen and Prescott.. The next 6 to 8 qbs are fungible and fluctuate on a weekly basis.. A lot of good young ones... The goal is to see how we can get Jones into tbis 3rd group by the end of this year because it means we found our guy
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 14:36:54 GMT -5
Tough level to crack...hard to see how the math isn't improve the cast around him rather than replace him and roll the dice you can hit a top 7 QB. Honestly After like Mahomes ans Brady(yes he is still in that upper echelon) The next tier of Allen and Prescott.. The next 6 to 8 qbs are fungible and fluctuate on a weekly basis.. A lot of good young ones... The goal is to see how we can get Jones into tbis 3rd group by the end of this year because it means we found our guy Meanwhile thru 3 weeks.... it's a marathon though so let's revisit back in 14 weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 14:59:02 GMT -5
Tough level to crack...hard to see how the math isn't improve the cast around him rather than replace him and roll the dice you can hit a top 7 QB. For sure it’s elite company. But honestly when you are a 6th overall pick it’s expected of you to be in that company. And again, I don’t blame Jones or fault him for this high expectation. He didn’t have a choice on where he was selected. Darnold just got the short end of the stick because of that thought process. Tannehill before him. Please stop. We are in a new Era of football. Everything before Tanny is archaic.
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Post by piddy283 on Sept 30, 2021 15:01:33 GMT -5
IF we decide Jones is our long term QB, which is still a huge "if," we'll have flexibility next draft.
Without doing a shred of research at this point, unless there's a legit stud when we pick I'd be fine with trading back with both picks. We're going to be strapped for cash next off-season so the more picks the merrier. We can even add additional picks to the 2023 draft by trading back.
Can we draft a new OC? Asking for a friend.
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Post by njsean on Sept 30, 2021 15:02:55 GMT -5
Tough level to crack...hard to see how the math isn't improve the cast around him rather than replace him and roll the dice you can hit a top 7 QB. For sure it’s elite company. But honestly when you are a 6th overall pick it’s expected of you to be in that company. And again, I don’t blame Jones or fault him for this high expectation. He didn’t have a choice on where he was selected. So what is your point then? Drop him? I think the season is long. I also think the season is over. But I also know he has a lot of opportunity to stick around. If he finds the end zone more often, he pretty much secured it. I hope he stays healthy for his own sake.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 15:15:47 GMT -5
IF we decide Jones is our long term QB, which is still a huge "if," we'll have flexibility next draft. Without doing a shred of research at this point, unless there's a legit stud when we pick I'd be fine with trading back with both picks. We're going to be strapped for cash next off-season so the more picks the merrier. We can even add additional picks to the 2023 draft by trading back. Can we draft a new OC? Asking for a friend. "we're going to be strapped for cash next off-season so more picks the merrier." I dont agree but i respect the #duality
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 30, 2021 15:23:24 GMT -5
IF we decide Jones is our long term QB, which is still a huge "if," we'll have flexibility next draft. Without doing a shred of research at this point, unless there's a legit stud when we pick I'd be fine with trading back with both picks. We're going to be strapped for cash next off-season so the more picks the merrier. We can even add additional picks to the 2023 draft by trading back. Can we draft a new OC? Asking for a friend. Another by product for a week QB class like this is shaping up to be is nobody is going to be looking to trade up...especially as deep in many positions on defense
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Post by bluejayc on Sept 30, 2021 15:31:29 GMT -5
I agree but it doesn't make me feel better about the 99 other problems.....with the top 3 being: - Overall Health - Offensive Philosophy - Defensive Philosophy
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 15:39:25 GMT -5
I agree but it doesn't make me feel better about the 99 other problems.....with the top 3 being: - Overall Health - Offensive Philosophy - Defensive Philosophy You can only image how hard it is for a defensive coordinator to call plays when he KNOWS the OC is trash
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 15:58:54 GMT -5
So what is your point then? Drop him? I think the season is long. I also think the season is over. But I also know he has a lot of opportunity to stick around. If he finds the end zone more often, he pretty much secured it. I hope he stays healthy for his own sake. If that's what you gathered what my point is... then that reach is on you. I've said it many times. There's no reason to move on from Jones this offseason. He's showing progression. He has good tools as a QB. Exercise his fifth and he remains a cheap viable QB. If he doesn't take the leap this year and next, then you look at QBs in the 2023 draft or FA. Lots of walking around you want everyone gone 😂
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 30, 2021 16:38:03 GMT -5
For sure it’s elite company. But honestly when you are a 6th overall pick it’s expected of you to be in that company. And again, I don’t blame Jones or fault him for this high expectation. He didn’t have a choice on where he was selected. So what is your point then? Drop him? I think the season is long. I also think the season is over. But I also know he has a lot of opportunity to stick around. If he finds the end zone more often, he pretty much secured it. I hope he stays healthy for his own sake. Why is it always black and white? There is grey you know. If a player is not playing up to “potential” critiquing him should not mean firing him into the sun. There was a time when fans held players to higher standards. Especially, first round picks. Now, it’s you tried your best, here’s an extension.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 17:01:09 GMT -5
Lots of walking around you want everyone gone 😂 Is that English? "you want everyone gone" 😂 * fixed
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 17:02:33 GMT -5
So what is your point then? Drop him? I think the season is long. I also think the season is over. But I also know he has a lot of opportunity to stick around. If he finds the end zone more often, he pretty much secured it. I hope he stays healthy for his own sake. Why is it always black and white? There is grey you know. If a player is not playing up to “potential” critiquing him should not mean firing him into the sun. There was a time when fans held players to higher standards. Especially, first round picks. Now, it’s you tried your best, here’s an extension. you jokingly complaining about black or white prespectives is hilarious
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 30, 2021 17:06:37 GMT -5
Why is it always black and white? There is grey you know. If a player is not playing up to “potential” critiquing him should not mean firing him into the sun. There was a time when fans held players to higher standards. Especially, first round picks. Now, it’s you tried your best, here’s an extension. you complaining about black or white prespectives is hilarious The more you post, the more I think you wear a helmet all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 17:08:07 GMT -5
you complaining about black or white prespectives is hilarious The more you post, the more I think you wear a helmet all the time. an inverted Yankees fitted*
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 30, 2021 17:09:03 GMT -5
The more you post, the more I think you wear a helmet all the time. an inverted Yankees fitted* get with the times At least you have some taste.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 17:09:28 GMT -5
an inverted Yankees fitted* get with the times At least you have some taste. rubs off when you're in the right circles But 🤫... that was free
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Post by bluejayc on Sept 30, 2021 17:13:14 GMT -5
I agree but it doesn't make me feel better about the 99 other problems.....with the top 3 being: - Overall Health - Offensive Philosophy - Defensive Philosophy You can only image how hard it is for a defensive coordinator to call plays when he KNOWS the OC is trash This year they have both been straight up trash. In each of the last two games when the Giants have taken the lead in the 4th quarter they've IMMEDIATELY (the very next possession) given up TD drives to the other team.....not to mention giving up game winning drives on each of the other teams' last possessions of the game. Just utterly pathetic....cave at the absolute worst times. You may be able to play bend and don't break D in the 1st-3rd quarters but not the 4th.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 17:19:16 GMT -5
You can only image how hard it is for a defensive coordinator to call plays when he KNOWS the OC is trash This year they have both been straight up trash. In each of the last two games when the Giants have taken the lead in the 4th quarter they've IMMEDIATELY (the very next possession) given up TD drives to the other team.....not to mention giving up game winning drives on each of the other teams' last possessions of the game. Just utterly pathetic....cave at the absolute worst times. You may be able to play bend and don't break D in the 1st-3rd quarters but not the 4th. You're 100% correct. Not in the 4th. 1st thru 3rd keeps us in every game so far.
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Post by njsean on Sept 30, 2021 18:41:54 GMT -5
So what is your point then? Drop him? I think the season is long. I also think the season is over. But I also know he has a lot of opportunity to stick around. If he finds the end zone more often, he pretty much secured it. I hope he stays healthy for his own sake. If that's what you gathered what my point is... then that reach is on you. I've said it many times. There's no reason to move on from Jones this offseason. He's showing progression. He has good tools as a QB. Exercise his fifth and he remains a cheap viable QB. If he doesn't take the leap this year and next, then you look at QBs in the 2023 draft or FA. That’s not what I gathered your meaning was - that’s why I asked because I was curious what the point was of what I bolded. I mean, yeah, it sucks, but a lot of good players play beneath their draft position - I don’t say this antagonistically, but so what? As long as they’re contributing. If your point was that him being drafted that high shouldn’t play a role in a possible next contract’s dollars - okay. But that seems out of context. The second half of your post I completely agree with.
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Post by njsean on Sept 30, 2021 18:44:53 GMT -5
So what is your point then? Drop him? I think the season is long. I also think the season is over. But I also know he has a lot of opportunity to stick around. If he finds the end zone more often, he pretty much secured it. I hope he stays healthy for his own sake. Why is it always black and white? There is grey you know. If a player is not playing up to “potential” critiquing him should not mean firing him into the sun. There was a time when fans held players to higher standards. Especially, first round picks. Now, it’s you tried your best, here’s an extension. I’m curious - who would you argue was someone we extended just because they tried their best?
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