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Post by FBomb on Nov 1, 2021 14:02:16 GMT -5
I was unimpressed with Dallas last night so not sure what you were watching. Yes I know they had a back up QB playing but the Vikings are horrid and Dallas barely squeaked by. Yesterday was not the game to gauge how far away we are from competing with Dallas. It may be true but yesterday's game was not the example to use. Last I looked also a fully healthy Dallas also barely squeaked by San Diego and New England (pretty much all luck that they got wins in those 2 games) as well and those teams are middle of the pack at best right now. Wouldn't it be nice if we started "squeaking" past teams.
You know another word for "squeaking by" teams?,.............."Winning".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2021 14:04:05 GMT -5
Idk about surviving but my sources tell me the Titans are looking to offer a #1 pick for Barkley yet Gettleman won’t answer the phone. Titans?? Good one! Ravens was who I heard..
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Post by Morehead State on Nov 1, 2021 14:06:31 GMT -5
Idk about surviving but my sources tell me the Titans are looking to offer a #1 pick for Barkley yet Gettleman won’t answer the phone. No one is offering a 1st round pick for Saquan Brakley.
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Post by repeatchamps on Nov 1, 2021 14:06:57 GMT -5
I was unimpressed with Dallas last night so not sure what you were watching. Yes I know they had a back up QB playing but the Vikings are horrid and Dallas barely squeaked by. Yesterday was not the game to gauge how far away we are from competing with Dallas. It may be true but yesterday's game was not the example to use. Last I looked also a fully healthy Dallas also barely squeaked by San Diego and New England (pretty much all luck that they got wins in those 2 games) as well and those teams are middle of the pack at best right now. Wouldn't it be nice if we started "squeaking" past teams.
You know another word for "squeaking by" teams?,.............."Winning".
Sure it would be better than what we have been enduring year in and year out. However to keep doing that just to get booted in the 1st round of the playoffs every year because my truck load of talent team is somehow still not good enough to do more than squeak by mediocre teams is not my idea of happy dance time. Sounds like underachieve hell to me.
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Post by repeatchamps on Nov 1, 2021 14:07:33 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be nice if we started "squeaking" past teams.
You know another word for "squeaking by" teams?,.............."Winning".
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 1, 2021 14:08:54 GMT -5
I have a question for anyone here. A lot of people mention that most NFL teams can turn around relatively quickly (maybe 2 years) from being a bad team to a good team. Do most NFL teams have a complete lack of talent that the Giants had when Gettleman took over as GM? He basically had to start from scratch, we had maybe a handful of starters and no depth. Giants were a mess but you gotta win, to me his only chance is the team gets healthy and they 8-2 0r 7-3 the rest of the way and end up with winning record I root hard for every GM we have had in myeline time. if the losing continues they can't make the mistake they made last time, rip the scab off and start the healing, with Reeses they wasted 2 or 3 valuable years we could have been back already. They had 2013 and 2014 where they were trending down ward and with firing of TC what they learned he was holding it together keeping them winning 5 or 6 games a year it could have been 2 or 3 or 4. the Team was Eli and OBJ from 2014 until it wasn't. No more wasting time like DG but no wins no job.
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Post by jerky on Nov 1, 2021 14:09:01 GMT -5
I have a question for anyone here. A lot of people mention that most NFL teams can turn around relatively quickly (maybe 2 years) from being a bad team to a good team. Do most NFL teams have a complete lack of talent that the Giants had when Gettleman took over as GM? He basically had to start from scratch, we had maybe a handful of starters and no depth. The problem is that we haven't improved at all. We have the worst win loss record in the NFL over the last 4 years. How much time should we give him? Also, I LOVE Barkley, but that pick has been a disaster for the Giants. That's on Dave Maybe that pick wasn't great, but a single pick is not going to change our fortunes. He has drafted some pretty good players, but we also let a lot of solid players go, which leaves the team at a net neutral change. Are we going to get rid of Ojulari once it's time to pay him and draft someone else? We're never going to have a good team if we keep getting rid of players and singing free agents. I wasn't defending Gettleman and what I just wrote seems to make it all his fault, but I don't think it's all on him.
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Post by FBomb on Nov 1, 2021 14:09:20 GMT -5
Disagree. Winning is the only thing.
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Post by repeatchamps on Nov 1, 2021 14:10:48 GMT -5
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Post by FBomb on Nov 1, 2021 14:12:18 GMT -5
The problem is that we haven't improved at all. We have the worst win loss record in the NFL over the last 4 years. How much time should we give him? Also, I LOVE Barkley, but that pick has been a disaster for the Giants. That's on Dave Maybe that pick wasn't great, but a single pick is not going to change our fortunes. He has drafted some pretty good players, but we also let a lot of solid players go, which leaves the team at a net neutral change. Are we going to get rid of Ojulari once it's time to pay him and draft someone else? We're never going to have a good team if we keep getting rid of players and singing free agents. I wasn't defending Gettleman and what I just wrote seems to make it all his fault, but I don't think it's all on him. Well....I talked about Barkley as an after thought not as the entirety of his mistakes. You're right. ALL of this mess falls on Mara. But Barkley was all Dave. He was in love
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 1, 2021 14:13:21 GMT -5
Idk about surviving but my sources tell me the Titans are looking to offer a #1 pick for Barkley yet Gettleman won’t answer the phone. Titans?? Good one! Ravens was who I heard.. Yea they have one hurt RB they are gonna jump on another crazy time of year most likely BS. unless it's a 3rd rounder they're offering. if it did happen he would have a lot of success not getting touched for 2 or 3 yards. then Gettlemen would be a dope for trading him lol.
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Post by FBomb on Nov 1, 2021 14:13:50 GMT -5
So....if we can't win in the playoffs we should just continue to suck during the season?
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Post by Morehead State on Nov 1, 2021 14:14:03 GMT -5
The Packers "squeaked by" the Cards, The Bengals and the 49rs. You know what that means?
They're in first place at 7-1.
WE blew two games where the WFT and the Falcons "squeaked by" us. You know what that means?
We're 2-5.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 1, 2021 14:15:02 GMT -5
Jordan is ZERO inside info.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 1, 2021 14:19:04 GMT -5
That 2016 team was a joke it set the franchise back 2 or 3 years and showed their true colors in 2017, they were a team that won on defense playing weak offenses in 2016 the Browns the Rams the Fischer Rams and so on, got Dak when he and Wentz were reading half fields in their rookie years. we just need to move on from DG and any thought that this team was ever stable or close to sustained success since 2011. It is time for real change from top to bottom.
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Post by repeatchamps on Nov 1, 2021 14:23:01 GMT -5
The Packers "squeaked by" the Cards, The Bengals and the 49rs. You know what that means?
They're in first place at 7-1.
WE blew two games where the WFT and the Falcons "squeaked by" us. You know what that means?
We're 2-5.
The Cardinals are a top notch team. The other 2 comparable to NE and SD for Dallas. Yes it's all fine and good to win those now as it is better than 2-5 and all the losing we have been treated to for too many years in a row but as mentioned in my other reply, that's fine and dandy for now but when the playoffs come around and GB and Dallas take their annual early exits they are exposed for what they are not good enough to matter in the end. So as I said to schittshow, I'd prefer a different formula to emulate.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 1, 2021 14:25:15 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be nice if we started "squeaking" past teams.
You know another word for "squeaking by" teams?,.............."Winning".
Sure it would be better than what we have been enduring year in and year out. However to keep doing that just to get booted in the 1st round of the playoffs every year because my truck load of talent team is somehow still not good enough to do more than squeak by mediocre teams is not my idea of happy dance time. Sounds like underachieve hell to me. Done it once in 2016, I'm interested in a team with a smart savvy front office the will build for sustained success, the only way that happens is by drafting really good. Teams like the Cowboys since we are talking about them aren't bringing in ton of outside talent it is mostly home grown their best players mostly anyway except Cooper he was traded for. They have been out drafting us the last 10 -11 years have rebuilt the team at least twice while we spin our wheels.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 1, 2021 14:30:16 GMT -5
The Packers "squeaked by" the Cards, The Bengals and the 49rs. You know what that means?
They're in first place at 7-1.
WE blew two games where the WFT and the Falcons "squeaked by" us. You know what that means?
We're 2-5.
True sur 2-5 is who and what the Giants are there are 10 more games and a lot can change for the GM to survive they got a lot of digging to do 9-8 10 -7 would cause euphoria in the ownership booth and probably sway them short of that no thanks, actually it is no thanks fro me anyway.
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Post by repeatchamps on Nov 1, 2021 14:30:19 GMT -5
Sure it would be better than what we have been enduring year in and year out. However to keep doing that just to get booted in the 1st round of the playoffs every year because my truck load of talent team is somehow still not good enough to do more than squeak by mediocre teams is not my idea of happy dance time. Sounds like underachieve hell to me. Done it once in 2016, I'm interested in a team with a smart savvy front office the will build for sustained success, the only way that happens is by drafting really good. Teams like the Cowboys since we are talking about them aren't bringing in ton of outside talent it is mostly home grown their best players mostly anyway except Cooper he was traded for. They have been out drafting us the last 10 -11 years have rebuilt the team at least twice while we spin our wheels. I agree with what your saying but my reference is to the Dallas outcome every year they make it to the post-season since the original response was to saying how far away we are from Dallas. I know they are in the division and of the foremost concern but all that Dallas rebuilding you mentioned has gotten them squat and will likely get them squat again this season.
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Post by spaceweather on Nov 1, 2021 14:32:14 GMT -5
Jordan is ZERO inside info. I'm sure you know that how?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 1, 2021 14:33:20 GMT -5
Done it once in 2016, I'm interested in a team with a smart savvy front office the will build for sustained success, the only way that happens is by drafting really good. Teams like the Cowboys since we are talking about them aren't bringing in ton of outside talent it is mostly home grown their best players mostly anyway except Cooper he was traded for. They have been out drafting us the last 10 -11 years have rebuilt the team at least twice while we spin our wheels. I agree with what your saying but my reference is to the Dallas outcome every year they make it to the post-season since the original response was to saying how far away we are from Dallas. I know they are in the division and of the foremost concern but all that Dallas rebuilding you mentioned has gotten them squat and will likely get them squat again this season. And nothing would make me happier I am not a McCarthy fan but has been there and won that could bode well for them.
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Post by repeatchamps on Nov 1, 2021 14:38:48 GMT -5
I agree with what your saying but my reference is to the Dallas outcome every year they make it to the post-season since the original response was to saying how far away we are from Dallas. I know they are in the division and of the foremost concern but all that Dallas rebuilding you mentioned has gotten them squat and will likely get them squat again this season. And nothing would make me happier I am not a McCarthy fan but has been there and won that could bode well for them. McCarthy has been there plenty only to fall short most of the time as well. He will likely give them some help from his experience but not enough imho to climb the Tampa, Rams or even the Green Bay and Arizona mountains standing in their way. Dallas is destined for yet another early exit. Dak's health has to be a concern. Calf injury that kept him out of yesterday's game may not be long term nor serious but sounds like a compensatory type injury that he may have more of as the season rolls forward.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 1, 2021 14:41:33 GMT -5
And nothing would make me happier I am not a McCarthy fan but has been there and won that could bode well for them. McCarthy has been there plenty only to fall short most of the time as well. He will likely give them some help from his experience but not enough imho to climb the Tampa, Rams or even the Green Bay mountains standing in their way. Dallas is destined for yet another early exit. Dak's health has to be a concern. Calf injury that kept him out yesterday's game may not be long term nor serious but sounds like a compensatory type injury that he may have more of as the season rolls forward. Calf injuries are tough and they take a long time unless they are minor agree 100% and i do hope Dallas doesn't sniff another trophy for 50 years lol.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 1, 2021 14:43:38 GMT -5
If a scenario happens like that Vinnie will shoot himself out of a Cannon. we need him healthy and in one piece.
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Post by FBomb on Nov 1, 2021 14:45:04 GMT -5
McCarthy has been there plenty only to fall short most of the time as well. He will likely give them some help from his experience but not enough imho to climb the Tampa, Rams or even the Green Bay mountains standing in their way. Dallas is destined for yet another early exit. Dak's health has to be a concern. Calf injury that kept him out yesterday's game may not be long term nor serious but sounds like a compensatory type injury that he may have more of as the season rolls forward. Calf injuries are tough and they take a long time unless they are minor agree 100% and i do hope Dallas doesn't sniff another trophy for 50 years lol. I think we all feel the same way, still, I wish WE were 6-1
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 1, 2021 14:45:57 GMT -5
First off, I’m not a Gettleman hater. I posted in another thread that we’d probably need a winning record for him to survive. But with the remaining schedule, unless we almost run the table, I don’t know if even that’s enough. I can see us getting to 8 wins, but that’s from beating up on the other losers of the NFL. Is that enough to save DG? Some would say that’s 6-5 over the last 11 games, but none against teams with winning records so far (except the panthers). So to get to 9 we have to be perfect against the losers and get an upset against a winning team. Maybe that’s enough. That gives you (probably) 3-4 wins over winning teams and 6-7 against losing teams. Even with that I could see it going either way. Maybe if Thomas and DJ keep elevating their games, long term solutions at QB and LT and a winning record might be enough. Just not a lot of scenarios where you give DG another 3+ years. This is a really interesting post. I am no Gettleman fan, but I think that there is a path to his survival .. it's a narrow one, but it's there. Suppose the team gets to 9 wins and DJ, Kadarius and Thomas (when he gets back) absolutely ball out and justify their draft positions? Ojulari keeps playing well and stays in the DROY hunt? Peart improves to the point to where he looks like the RT of the future. A lot of "what ifs", but .... IMO if a scenario like that unfolds, Mara is likely to keep Gettleman (or at worst transition to Abrams to maintain continuity).
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 1, 2021 14:47:11 GMT -5
Jordan is ZERO inside info. I'm sure you know that how? have my source
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Post by FBomb on Nov 1, 2021 14:48:35 GMT -5
So ridiculous. The same people whining about being called a hater are the same ones that pounce on anyone who has anything positive to say. And I'm NOT "optimistic" about most of the goings on. I think DG is a bad GM and I think Judge is all talk at this point. So I don't have a bias in the argument. Both sides do it and whine about the other and the problem just repeats itself over and over. How about both sides move on and let everyone have their own opinions without being insulted for it? And before anyone points the finger at me, I don't insult people for their opinions, I insult people for acting like an asshat. And you wonder why people insult you? lol.....I don't wonder at all. I KNOW why people insult me. Deflection. Not one word of my post was untrue. The truth makes people want to be insulting. If the asshat fits............
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 1, 2021 14:49:19 GMT -5
Idk about surviving but my sources tell me the Titans are looking to offer a #1 pick for Barkley yet Gettleman won’t answer the phone. No one is offering a 1st round pick for Saquan Brakley. he’s almost unBrakley and healed so I anticipate this deal happening shortly.
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Post by Roosevelt on Nov 1, 2021 14:49:54 GMT -5
Being lazy, any idea how many of those 5 losing seasons were under McVay? Les Snead started with the Rams in 2012, McVay started with the Rams in 2017 2012: 7-8-1 2013: 7-9 2014: 6-10 2015: 7-9 2016: 4-12 2017: 11-5 2018: 13-3 2019: 9-7 2020: 10-6
This supports my thinking about coaching staffs having the more profound affect on a team than the front office. Without Parcells, George Young was not the hero he was with Parcells.
In the Rams case, Snead drafted Goff with the #1 pick, then gave him a huge second contract a few years later off a mediocre performance, and then obviously traded him.
Additionally, Snead has been extremely aggressive with free agency using a "win now" philosophy that will cost the team in the near future.
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