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Post by scoostraw on Nov 24, 2021 11:59:04 GMT -5
Why do I have to go and waste my time looking for a link? I’m at work right now, on lunch. Can’t you dig into your memory and go back to that day Garrett was hired? I remember it well. Judge didn’t have one bit of say. He just got there for Christs sake. Mara called the shot. Deep breaths man!! Maybe have a drink during lunch?? ;)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 12:01:18 GMT -5
Why do I have to go and waste my time looking for a link? I’m at work right now, on lunch. Can’t you dig into your memory and go back to that day Garrett was hired? I remember it well. Judge didn’t have one bit of say. He just got there for Christs sake. Mara called the shot. Deep breaths man!! Maybe have a drink during lunch?? Seriously man…not trying to sound like a dick. But is the situation at hand really all that important that it requires unnecessary research? As far as I’m concerned Judge can get the **** out too. Nothing against you.
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Post by DJones19 on Nov 24, 2021 12:04:40 GMT -5
Did the Giants fire Garrett or did it come from Judge himself? I'm leaning towards Judge fired Garrett but I'm not sure how things like this usually work.
Judge seemed like he had a bruised ego after the game...the Garrett firing should take some pressure off him temporarily. At least there were no reports of fist fights this time.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 24, 2021 12:15:24 GMT -5
You got absolutely nothing to back this statement. And if that’s the case, Judge is a pussy to take a job where the owner forces coordinators on you. Not buying it.. Garrett may have been recommended. However, Judge gave him the job. And kept him during an offseason where the offense was in question. Several beat reporters said this at the time of hiring, and have re-iterated it recently when fans have brought up this fallacy that Mara hired Garrett. We can criticize Judge for hiring him, but when this was discussed here this offseason, you were in favor of bringing Garrett back this season. I misread your quote. I was directing it towards Forrest Gump. I always saw this franchise as a chain of command. And when the hiring and firing of coaches is concerned. That’s up to the head coach. That’s right, I backed Garrett till he backed himself to the wall. He was set up to fail here. An up and down quarterback, an often injured running back. Terrible offensive line.. Jason Garrett was playing Russian roulette by himself here.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 24, 2021 12:19:04 GMT -5
is this really a question? First off Garrett is not a scapegoat at all. He IS part of the problem. The HC will get fired AFTER the OC. Its just the order of things on this team. BTW Judge IS also part of the problem. Jones IS part of the problem too. He's lost...again so what you're saying here is that we're screwed again, it kind of looks to me that the "fix" is too big .. As long as guy who is unqualified to be VP of player personnel has the last name of Mara the fix will be impossible
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Post by McCherry on Nov 24, 2021 12:27:06 GMT -5
Did the Giants fire Garrett or did it come from Judge himself? I'm leaning towards Judge fired Garrett but I'm not sure how things like this usually work. Judge seemed like he had a bruised ego after the game...the Garrett firing should take some pressure off him temporarily. At least there were no reports of fist fights this time. That's typically a decision made by the HC.
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Post by bigbluejeep8888 on Nov 24, 2021 12:54:06 GMT -5
Did the Giants fire Garrett or did it come from Judge himself? I'm leaning towards Judge fired Garrett but I'm not sure how things like this usually work. Judge seemed like he had a bruised ego after the game...the Garrett firing should take some pressure off him temporarily. At least there were no reports of fist fights this time. That's typically a decision made by the HC. Yup judge hired him so I am sure he fired him. Must of been tough for garrett having kitckens breathing down his neck. I didn't realize that kitckens was promoted in the off season. What a half ass move by the giants and judge. If they didn't want garrett to return in 2021 why not just do it like a bandaid and rip it right off? Yet we got all this stuff about bringing garrett back for 2021 cause we didn't want jones to learn a new system. The more I dig into this the more of a joke this is becoming. So not only did the giants say they wanted to keep garrett for Jones, they fire garrett after a bye week and on a short return week. Dumb and dumber the giants and Joe Judge.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 24, 2021 13:25:41 GMT -5
Garrett was only recommended by John Mara. He wouldn't have been the OC if Judge didn't want him. What puzzles me is how Garrett got all these jobs to begin with if he just isn't very good. his family ties to the NFL and his so called privelege in that regard; same privelege guys like him get over other more quaified guys in all aspects of life every damn day and this shit country/world will never change it's ways.... Steven A said earlier and talked about the comfort level the Mara's have with certain people to hire vs the folks who should be given a shot because they deserve a chance just as bad and might be damn sure more qualified or just as..................
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 24, 2021 13:38:16 GMT -5
What puzzles me is how Garrett got all these jobs to begin with if he just isn't very good. his family ties to the NFL and his so called privelege in that regard; same privelege guys like him get over other more quaified guys in all aspects of life every damn day and this shit country/world will never change it's ways.... Steven A said earlier and talked about the comfort level the Mara's have with certain people to hire vs the folks who should be given a shot because they deserve a chance just as bad and might be damn sure more qualified or just as.................. There is nothing privileged with Jason Garrett. An Ivy leaguer who went undrafted, and lasted 15 years in the NFL. Everything he has gotten has been from hard work, and tireless efforts. Men get fired every year in this league, some deserving, some not. Point is, just because their goals are not reached from a franchises standpoint, doesn’t mean they aren’t qualified for the job. It’s not like the Giants hired a garbage man to run their offense. They hired someone who at the time had 30 years of experience in NFL offenses. It’s easy to be a Monday morning quarterback after the fact. Hindsight is undefeated for a reason. Have Stephen A. Smith go call an NFL game. He wouldn’t last coaching a bunch of kids playing pick up sticks.
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Post by ratbastich on Nov 24, 2021 13:55:00 GMT -5
Did the Giants fire Garrett or did it come from Judge himself? I'm leaning towards Judge fired Garrett but I'm not sure how things like this usually work. Judge seemed like he had a bruised ego after the game...the Garrett firing should take some pressure off him temporarily. At least there were no reports of fist fights this time. Head coaches normally fire their assistants and most likely it is something Judge did on his own. Some owners will "suggest" a change and some head coaches will balk at the suggestion. I agree with the bruised ego part. Week in and week out of being questioned about the same thing has to be exhausting and not making any type of move would increase the pressure.
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Post by scoostraw on Nov 24, 2021 13:57:19 GMT -5
Seriously man…not trying to sound like a dick. But is the situation at hand really all that important that it requires unnecessary research? As far as I’m concerned Judge can get the **** out too. Nothing against you. I know. I hearya man. This shit is so frustrating. Hope u have a good Thanksgiving.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 24, 2021 14:49:01 GMT -5
his family ties to the NFL and his so called privelege in that regard; same privelege guys like him get over other more quaified guys in all aspects of life every damn day and this shit country/world will never change it's ways.... Steven A said earlier and talked about the comfort level the Mara's have with certain people to hire vs the folks who should be given a shot because they deserve a chance just as bad and might be damn sure more qualified or just as.................. There is nothing privileged with Jason Garrett. An Ivy leaguer who went undrafted, and lasted 15 years in the NFL. Everything he has gotten has been from hard work, and tireless efforts. Men get fired every year in this league, some deserving, some not. Point is, just because their goals are not reached from a franchises standpoint, doesn’t mean they aren’t qualified for the job. It’s not like the Giants hired a garbage man to run their offense. They hired someone who at the time had 30 years of experience in NFL offenses. It’s easy to be a Monday morning quarterback after the fact. Hindsight is undefeated for a reason. Have Stephen A. Smith go call an NFL game. He wouldn’t last coaching a bunch of kids playing pick up sticks. good points but to his question why he keeps getting these jobs if he isn't very good, well let me say that I guess he's only had 2 of recent and maybe overall wth Dallas then us. If he, and when he gets another this question might be more valid but the thing is and I made that point as to the same thing that a lot of others in this league has gotten job after job after job over and over and over when others rather more qualified or just as qualified don't get those same oppurtunities and that's the way it has always been and continue to be. In the case of Garrett though his question might be better suited for when he gets his next job and a wait and see how he does as to keep getting jobs.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 24, 2021 14:50:36 GMT -5
That's typically a decision made by the HC. Yup judge hired him so I am sure he fired him. Must of been tough for garrett having kitckens breathing down his neck. I didn't realize that kitckens was promoted in the off season. What a half ass move by the giants and judge. If they didn't want garrett to return in 2021 why not just do it like a bandaid and rip it right off? Yet we got all this stuff about bringing garrett back for 2021 cause we didn't want jones to learn a new system. The more I dig into this the more of a joke this is becoming. So not only did the giants say they wanted to keep garrett for Jones, they fire garrett after a bye week and on a short return week. Dumb and dumber the giants and Joe Judge. kitchens got promoted to what?
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Post by moecoastie on Nov 24, 2021 14:54:36 GMT -5
A reporter asked him yesterday, why he didn't call a timeout on that 4th down play when it was apparent there was confusion with the offense. His answer was: "That was the plan". He should have been fired on the spot. If "that was the plan"... Why didn't you call it? He's lost. You misunderstood. The question was why didn't you call timeout, OR "was that the plan?" meaning did you plan to come to the line of scrimmage and snap it at the last second. Judge conceded it didn't work, and everyone knows how terrible it looked, but it was a tempo strategy to not allow the defense to get a look at their formation and get set. So 'that was the plan' was referring to that, not a response to 'why didn't you call timeout'. It was executed terribly, and the playcall itself was awful. this is how I interpreted the question and answer.
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Post by moecoastie on Nov 24, 2021 14:56:40 GMT -5
Did the Giants fire Garrett or did it come from Judge himself? I'm leaning towards Judge fired Garrett but I'm not sure how things like this usually work. Judge seemed like he had a bruised ego after the game...the Garrett firing should take some pressure off him temporarily. At least there were no reports of fist fights this time. From a report or interview I read\watched lastnite, Judge would have fired him sooner had ownership signed off on it. Garrett has a lot of friends in the building that kept him around longer than judge wanted
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Post by bigbluejeep8888 on Nov 24, 2021 14:59:54 GMT -5
Yup judge hired him so I am sure he fired him. Must of been tough for garrett having kitckens breathing down his neck. I didn't realize that kitckens was promoted in the off season. What a half ass move by the giants and judge. If they didn't want garrett to return in 2021 why not just do it like a bandaid and rip it right off? Yet we got all this stuff about bringing garrett back for 2021 cause we didn't want jones to learn a new system. The more I dig into this the more of a joke this is becoming. So not only did the giants say they wanted to keep garrett for Jones, they fire garrett after a bye week and on a short return week. Dumb and dumber the giants and Joe Judge. kitchens got promoted to what? Senior offensive assistant. empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-giants/new-york-giants-freddie-kitchenss-promotion-could-lead-to-a-more-vertical-offense/
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 24, 2021 15:03:29 GMT -5
There is nothing privileged with Jason Garrett. An Ivy leaguer who went undrafted, and lasted 15 years in the NFL. Everything he has gotten has been from hard work, and tireless efforts. Men get fired every year in this league, some deserving, some not. Point is, just because their goals are not reached from a franchises standpoint, doesn’t mean they aren’t qualified for the job. It’s not like the Giants hired a garbage man to run their offense. They hired someone who at the time had 30 years of experience in NFL offenses. It’s easy to be a Monday morning quarterback after the fact. Hindsight is undefeated for a reason. Have Stephen A. Smith go call an NFL game. He wouldn’t last coaching a bunch of kids playing pick up sticks. good points but to his question why he keeps getting these jobs if he isn't very good, well let me say that I guess he's only had 2 of recent and maybe overall wth Dallas then us. If he, and when he gets another this question might be more valid but the thing is and I made that point as to the same thing that a lot of others in this league has gotten job after job after job over and over and over when others rather more qualified or just as qualified don't get those same oppurtunities and that's the way it has always been and continue to be. In the case of Garrett though his question might be better suited for when he gets his next job and a wait and see how he does as to keep getting jobs. If he wasn’t good.. he wouldn’t be in the league. The NFL has no qualms with firing coaches, and leaving them out in the cold. Your production is in your results, and in Garrett’s case. He has failed. You don’t get many second chances when your offense is ranked at the near bottom in all major categories. Will he get another job? I’m sure if he wants one, he can get one. Might not be as an offensive coordinator, more in the lines of quarterback coach.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 24, 2021 15:04:03 GMT -5
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 24, 2021 15:05:57 GMT -5
good points but to his question why he keeps getting these jobs if he isn't very good, well let me say that I guess he's only had 2 of recent and maybe overall wth Dallas then us. If he, and when he gets another this question might be more valid but the thing is and I made that point as to the same thing that a lot of others in this league has gotten job after job after job over and over and over when others rather more qualified or just as qualified don't get those same oppurtunities and that's the way it has always been and continue to be. In the case of Garrett though his question might be better suited for when he gets his next job and a wait and see how he does as to keep getting jobs. If he wasn’t good.. he wouldn’t be in the league. The NFL has no qualms with firing coaches, and leaving them out in the cold. Your production is in your results, and in Garrett’s case. He has failed. You don’t get many second chances when your offense is ranked at the near bottom in all major categories. Will he get another job? I’m sure if he wants one, he can get one. Might not be as an offensive coordinator, more in the lines of quarterback coach. so are you saying he's good but just has failed?
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Post by bigbluejeep8888 on Nov 24, 2021 15:15:14 GMT -5
It pretty much sounded like Judge was doing the same thing to Columbo last year. Nobody wants someone over their shoulders like that. Either trust the man to do his job or get him out. This inbetween crap is horrible for everyone.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 24, 2021 15:26:09 GMT -5
If he wasn’t good.. he wouldn’t be in the league. The NFL has no qualms with firing coaches, and leaving them out in the cold. Your production is in your results, and in Garrett’s case. He has failed. You don’t get many second chances when your offense is ranked at the near bottom in all major categories. Will he get another job? I’m sure if he wants one, he can get one. Might not be as an offensive coordinator, more in the lines of quarterback coach. so are you saying he's good but just has failed? Good enough to get a job.. not good enough to keep it.
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 24, 2021 16:12:42 GMT -5
Garrett was only recommended by John Mara. He wouldn't have been the OC if Judge didn't want him. We’re all speculating, none of us really know, but it’s really common for poorly run organizations to force staffing decisions on leaders and then hold those leaders accountable for poor performance related to the staffing decisions forced on them. There’s a pattern to Judge’s staffing choices that breaks down when you look at Garrett. Doesn’t absolve Judge from his own faults, but there’s enough smoke about the Mara’s meddling in these choices that it holds up. I wouldnt assume that Garrett was Judge’s choice. Judge is probably done anyway, so it really doesn’t matter. But this is why I don’t care either way. As long as the Maras at least appear to get in the way of making these decisions, we’ll continue to suck no matter who the HC is. I get the feeling that Mara has Pinocchio balls and will never stand up and admit he made a mistake...
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Nov 24, 2021 17:46:27 GMT -5
Ask the head weeny in charge....
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 24, 2021 22:20:32 GMT -5
The Giants did well firing Garrett yesterday, but why is Judge still around? Judge is the moron that hired Garrett and the one that did nothing until a press conference after another bad game. To make the team better you have to remove ALL of the cancer, not just part of it. He wasn't because Garrett was the one who they planned on replacing Judge with.. I thought everyone knew this.. The OP said that is what was going to happen before Thanksgiving Because he said he is always right Guess what Again
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Post by Nite on Nov 24, 2021 23:17:43 GMT -5
The Giants did well firing Garrett yesterday, but why is Judge still around? Judge is the moron that hired Garrett and the one that did nothing until a press conference after another bad game. To make the team better you have to remove ALL of the cancer, not just part of it. That would include removing the decision maker. I don't think that is possible. Nor is he man enough to take himself out of the position
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Post by cruzsoldier on Nov 24, 2021 23:23:52 GMT -5
I like the improvement chances!! LMAO!
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Post by GameTime on Nov 25, 2021 8:09:34 GMT -5
is this really a question? First off Garrett is not a scapegoat at all. He IS part of the problem. The HC will get fired AFTER the OC. Its just the order of things on this team. BTW Judge IS also part of the problem. Jones IS part of the problem too. He's lost...again so what you're saying here is that we're screwed again, it kind of looks to me that the "fix" is too big .. oh yeah... my outlook is way different that it was in September. I think Judge is underwhelming and he is overwhelmed by the HC job during the game. Pretty much the same with Jones. Doesn't do enough good and he hasn't gotten better at scanning the field much at all. Has not yet proved he can be trusted to make the right play often enough. With that said the same gose for the rest f this team. All phases with the exception of Gano have sucked way too often and at the most critical times the seem to mess up the in the grandest way. That reeks of lack of...... confidence, knowledge of what to do and the drive to do it. How effing times have they gone backwards on offense at key times in the game? More often than not they wind up eating the clock and screwing up at the same time.!!! Win win for the opposing team.
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