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Jan 21, 2022 15:54:51 GMT -5
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 21, 2022 15:54:51 GMT -5
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Jan 21, 2022 15:55:12 GMT -5
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Post by elitoshockey on Jan 21, 2022 15:55:12 GMT -5
I'll take vegas odds on this one ...
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 21, 2022 15:57:35 GMT -5
I'd guess Daboll at this junction. It's a shame Mara didn't let Judge have Daboll as his OC. I think the Bills blocked that
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 21, 2022 15:59:01 GMT -5
Almost every HC has to be a good coordinator to get an HC gig. That’s the big blind to just play the hand. Running a great O or D or ST is not a good indicator of being a great HC. the conversion from being a great coordinator to being a great HC (defined as resigned with the team after your first contract) is really low. Judge wasn’t a great HC. My point was rookie HCs all sound great when they’re hired. But a very tiny portion actually are great. I agree they are all gambles but I wouldn’t even breath Daboll’s name and Judges name in same sentence. Judge had zero HC, OC or DC experience, he had no business being a HC. At least Daboll runs a modern and innovative offense. You’re right, it’s still a risk but it would be a worthwhile risk IMO. There’s also a long history of retread HC’s who fail the 2nd or 3rd time around, they’re all risks. Look at MM, I think he’s completely over rated even though he won a Super Bowl. Quinn got to a SB due to Shanahan and oddly enough, the HC defensive guru is what lost the game for them. Other than that, he was a sub .500 coach but everyone is suddenly on his nuts because of what he did in Dallas in one year? I’d rather go with the unproven HC who reminds me of Stranahan, McVeigh and Lafleur. All fair. I don’t hate on Judge like others do. Moving on from him was the right thing to do. I don’t care what Quinn did in Dallas. He has a reputation for being a positive motivator without screaming at guys. I like the idea of alternating between the two styles. That’s why I don’t automatically dismiss him. I think he’s a long shot for the job.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 21, 2022 15:59:50 GMT -5
big advantage of Flores is naturally Watson, but also, our DC Graham. I don’t know about that … Flores let Graham walk pretty quickly when he wanted to come here….
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Post by GameTime on Jan 21, 2022 16:04:29 GMT -5
Flores supposedly alienates his staff and players to a degree.
Sounds a dick head
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Jan 21, 2022 16:06:32 GMT -5
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 21, 2022 16:06:32 GMT -5
I'll take vegas odds on this one ... Wow. A long shot but first time I’ve seen Pederson this close to the top of the list.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2022 16:07:50 GMT -5
Apparently our new GM has personally scouted Willis QB twice this year Don’t be surprised with a new QB …. I still believe Willis is QB1
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Post by elitoshockey on Jan 21, 2022 16:10:58 GMT -5
I'll take vegas odds on this one ... Wow. A long shot but first time I’ve seen Pederson this close to the top of the list. Can only imagine the outrage amongst the irrational casuals if this happens .
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 16:12:09 GMT -5
Apparently our new GM has personally scouted Willis QB twice this year Don’t be surprised with a new QB …. I still believe Willis is QB1 I hope Denver trades up to 5 for him and we get their 1st next year when a real franchise qb could be there for the taking
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Post by Martin on Jan 21, 2022 16:13:21 GMT -5
Flores supposedly alienates his staff and players to a degree. Sounds a dick head Where there's smoke there's fire.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 21, 2022 16:13:27 GMT -5
big advantage of Flores is naturally Watson, but also, our DC Graham. I don’t know about that … Flores let Graham walk pretty quickly when he wanted to come here…. There was the assistant head coach upgrade though. Doesn't mean much to us, but it probably has meaning in the league. I think he just wanted to let his friend get promoted. But I could be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2022 16:22:14 GMT -5
Don’t be surprised with a new QB …. I still believe Willis is QB1 I hope Denver trades up to 5 for him and we get their 1st next year when a real franchise qb could be there for the taking You mentioned in another thread when the complaining will start…we’ll hear some when a coach is taken, what defense they will run, and of course what they do with Jones, either way….
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Post by vinnie on Jan 21, 2022 16:22:49 GMT -5
I agree they are all gambles but I wouldn’t even breath Daboll’s name and Judges name in same sentence. Judge had zero HC, OC or DC experience, he had no business being a HC. At least Daboll runs a modern and innovative offense. You’re right, it’s still a risk but it would be a worthwhile risk IMO. There’s also a long history of retread HC’s who fail the 2nd or 3rd time around, they’re all risks. Look at MM, I think he’s completely over rated even though he won a Super Bowl. Quinn got to a SB due to Shanahan and oddly enough, the HC defensive guru is what lost the game for them. Other than that, he was a sub .500 coach but everyone is suddenly on his nuts because of what he did in Dallas in one year? I’d rather go with the unproven HC who reminds me of Stranahan, McVeigh and Lafleur. This about the GM and its his call to make. I am sure his logic and decision making to hire his HC is a hell of a lot different than yours! You don’t say?!
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Post by vinnie on Jan 21, 2022 16:25:18 GMT -5
Apparently our new GM has personally scouted Willis QB twice this year Don’t be surprised with a new QB …. I still believe Willis is QB1 Damn, that would be a shocker to most of us.
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Jan 21, 2022 16:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by nick030567 on Jan 21, 2022 16:49:19 GMT -5
I'd guess Daboll at this junction. It's a shame Mara didn't let Judge have Daboll as his OC. Things could've been very different. Probably win a couple more games before Jones was lost to injury
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 21, 2022 16:53:07 GMT -5
its too bad that Watson shit his pants so badly, he is a good QB who is still getting better and he looked good with not a whole lot of talent around him, what a wasted opportunity...
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 21, 2022 16:57:03 GMT -5
Apparently our new GM has personally scouted Willis QB twice this year Don’t be surprised with a new QB …. I still believe Willis is QB1 I don't want to piss on Jones but I think we've seen enough to know that he isn't a game breaker who can carry a team on his back, actually I think the league is full of Daniel Jones types and most if not all are backups...
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Post by lt56 on Jan 21, 2022 17:05:49 GMT -5
Flores or Daboll for me personally, with Graham staying on as DC
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 21, 2022 17:09:07 GMT -5
Flores supposedly alienates his staff and players to a degree. Sounds a dick head there is a lot of that going around these days in the NFL...
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Post by InDabsWeTrust on Jan 21, 2022 17:12:57 GMT -5
Don’t be surprised with a new QB …. I still believe Willis is QB1 I don't want to piss on Jones but I think we've seen enough to know that he isn't a game breaker who can carry a team on his back, actually I think the league is full of Daniel Jones types and most if not all are backups... Agreed. He can't even call an Audible or at least wasn't allowed to. I'm remember Eli doing all those things, changing protections etc...of course he learned from his bro Payton who was a master with that stuff.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 21, 2022 17:19:19 GMT -5
I still hope they interview 9 - 10 candidates initially, pare it down from there. Be interesting to see what the final candidate list ends up being.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 21, 2022 17:29:35 GMT -5
big advantage of Flores is naturally Watson, but also, our DC Graham. I don’t know about that … Flores let Graham walk pretty quickly when he wanted to come here…. Yeah i think I agree the more I think about it. Graham probably wanted to call the shots. Which he wont be if Flores is here
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Post by thetruth on Jan 21, 2022 17:30:02 GMT -5
If the Bills win we wont hire Daboll. I can't see it happening.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 21, 2022 17:33:00 GMT -5
Apparently our new GM has personally scouted Willis QB twice this year Don’t be surprised with a new QB …. I still believe Willis is QB1 I do too, if the last 5 or so drafts have taught is take the guy with the attributes. Of which Willis has plenty
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Jan 21, 2022 17:38:29 GMT -5
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Post by FBomb on Jan 21, 2022 17:38:29 GMT -5
So, what do you think JM meant when he told Flores that they could make adjustments to free up cap space?
Is there more to it than just reassuring a HC candidate that things aren't as bleak as they seem?
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Jan 21, 2022 17:52:38 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 17:52:38 GMT -5
Don’t be surprised with a new QB …. I still believe Willis is QB1 I do too, if the last 5 or so drafts have taught is take the guy with the attributes. Of which Willis has plenty I just don't see it with Willis He showed me nothing...especially in the one game against a good team (Cincinnati) At least Corral showed me something against much better competition in the SEC.. All qbs have attributes..even Darnold.. Bryce Young showed more attributes even in a loss against Georgia than any of these guys coming out and I can say the same for Caleb Williams (hoping he goes to Georgia or Ole Miss where he will have the best chance to show he is a top qb)
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Post by thetruth on Jan 21, 2022 18:30:25 GMT -5
I do too, if the last 5 or so drafts have taught is take the guy with the attributes. Of which Willis has plenty I just don't see it with Willis He showed me nothing...especially in the one game against a good team (Cincinnati) At least Corral showed me something against much better competition in the SEC.. All qbs have attributes..even Darnold.. Bryce Young showed more attributes even in a loss against Georgia than any of these guys coming out and I can say the same for Caleb Williams (hoping he goes to Georgia or Ole Miss where he will have the best chance to show he is a top qb) When i said attributes i meant arm talent. Thats throwing power + throwing accurately from different arm angles. Josh Allen, Herbert, Mahomes, Kyler, Russ all make these types of throws consistently and have that rare arm strength. I dont see this type of talent with any other QB in this draft. but no doubt he needs refinement
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Post by Jomo on Jan 21, 2022 18:37:01 GMT -5
I just don't see it with Willis He showed me nothing...especially in the one game against a good team (Cincinnati) At least Corral showed me something against much better competition in the SEC.. All qbs have attributes..even Darnold.. Bryce Young showed more attributes even in a loss against Georgia than any of these guys coming out and I can say the same for Caleb Williams (hoping he goes to Georgia or Ole Miss where he will have the best chance to show he is a top qb) When i said attributes i meant arm talent. Thats throwing power + throwing accurately from different arm angles. Josh Allen, Herbert, Mahomes, Kyler, Russ all make these types of throws consistently and have that rare arm strength. I dont see this type of talent with any other QB in this draft. but no doubt he needs refinement If we view this current rebuild as a multi year exercise, we sure as shit don't need a QB this year unless there is a can't miss prospect which most say there is not. We need NFL ready bodies in many positions, 2 or 3 on the OL out of this draft. We can get to QB next year, imo.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 21, 2022 18:38:33 GMT -5
When i said attributes i meant arm talent. Thats throwing power + throwing accurately from different arm angles. Josh Allen, Herbert, Mahomes, Kyler, Russ all make these types of throws consistently and have that rare arm strength. I dont see this type of talent with any other QB in this draft. but no doubt he needs refinement If we view this rebuilding episode as multi-year, we sure as shit don't need a QB this year unless there is a can't miss prospect which most say there is not. We need NFL ready bodies in many positions, 2 or 3 on the OL out of this draft. We can get to QB next year, imo. 2/3 OL can be had. However. You dont need to spend both top 10 picks on a OL. Heck the Chiefs rebuilt their OL last offseason on day 2/3, we just had an ignorant FO - talent is always out there and we have tons of day two picks. If Willis is the guy, and he's a hit. Its far more important than any OL we take. Period. We're not winning a championship with Danny no matter what we put around him. Deep down, we know that. Take your shots.
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