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Post by TCHOF on Jan 21, 2022 12:52:22 GMT -5
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Jan 21, 2022 12:54:21 GMT -5
My ranked list:
Quinn Daboll Frazier Flores
Flores has never taken a team to the playoffs and is getting credit this year for the softest 2nd half schedule in the league. Now he wants to tie himself to Watson? Keep him far away from here.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 12:56:06 GMT -5
Frazier ....meh And we would be going to a 4/3 Tampa 2... No thanks
There will be other names
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 21, 2022 13:00:25 GMT -5
Frazier ....meh And we would be going to a 4/3 Tampa 2... No thanks There will be other names as we did with the initial GM search, I hope they cast a wide net, speak to 9 - 10 candidates, and go from there.
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Post by Merc on Jan 21, 2022 13:07:32 GMT -5
My guess would be Daboll. We need an offensive minded coach.
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Post by Martin on Jan 21, 2022 13:09:16 GMT -5
Frazier ....meh And we would be going to a 4/3 Tampa 2... No thanks There will be other names as we did with the initial GM search, I hope they cast a wide net, speak to 9 - 10 candidates, and go from there. If ownership is giving Schoen the keys to the car then you have to have faith he will pick the right HC to work with whoever that might be.
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Post by BlueReign on Jan 21, 2022 13:15:29 GMT -5
I'd guess Daboll at this junction. It's a shame Mara didn't let Judge have Daboll as his OC.
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Post by ratbastich on Jan 21, 2022 13:16:05 GMT -5
as we did with the initial GM search, I hope they cast a wide net, speak to 9 - 10 candidates, and go from there. If ownership is giving Schoen the keys to the car then you have to have faith he will pick the right HC to work with whoever that might be. I do wonder, as it has been speculated by many, if the GM candidates came in with a list of possible HCs and this is the list they got from their new GM?
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Post by Martin on Jan 21, 2022 13:31:25 GMT -5
If ownership is giving Schoen the keys to the car then you have to have faith he will pick the right HC to work with whoever that might be. I do wonder, as it has been speculated by many, if the GM candidates came in with a list of possible HCs and this is the list they got from their new GM? Probably so. If I were on the interview (ownership) I would have picked all the GM candidates brains about there HC choice or choices. As long as J Mara and company stays clear the Giants have a good chance of rebounding.
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 21, 2022 13:47:51 GMT -5
Apparently these guys were dead on about the Joe Judge signing two years ago.
I'd ask Brian Flores though two questions:
#1. Who is your OC?
#2. Is Jones a guy you can win with, if not who do you want?
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 21, 2022 13:56:31 GMT -5
If ownership is giving Schoen the keys to the car then you have to have faith he will pick the right HC to work with whoever that might be. I do wonder, as it has been speculated by many, if the GM candidates came in with a list of possible HCs and this is the list they got from their new GM? I think you wouldn’t get the job without a detailed discussion of who you want at HC and why.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 21, 2022 14:06:58 GMT -5
It’s interesting right??
You’d think Daboll is the natural/obvious front runner but there’s a lot of noise around Flores. A lot. Including a pre hire conversation between Flores and Schoen.
There will be some familiarity given Miami was in joe’s division.
Schoen uses “collaboration” in his opening statement but collaboration sounds like the absent characteristic that has Flores looking for a job (don’t know who wasn’t “collaborative” in Miami, but it was someone).
The HC question is really interesting. Does Joe pick the obvious choice or not?
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Post by thetruth on Jan 21, 2022 14:17:35 GMT -5
big advantage of Flores is naturally Watson, but also, our DC Graham.
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Post by TEM on Jan 21, 2022 14:20:10 GMT -5
Quinn
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 21, 2022 14:28:21 GMT -5
big advantage of Flores is naturally Watson, but also, our DC Graham. Did you see this? Could be about Watson...
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 21, 2022 14:29:26 GMT -5
Fans hate on him here and I don’t know why. Daboll is a complete unknown. Sure the offence is great in Buffalo but do any of us really think Allen was a dingbat but Daboll made him? Point is Daboll is as great an HC as Judge was when we hired him. There’s an attitude with fans that you can’t learn or develop as a coach. Apparently how you are on day one is all you’ll ever be. Glad the people in my career path didn’t treat my mistakes like that.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 21, 2022 14:54:18 GMT -5
big advantage of Flores is naturally Watson, but also, our DC Graham. Did you see this? Could be about Watson... I can only hope
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Post by thetruth on Jan 21, 2022 14:55:06 GMT -5
Apparently our new GM has personally scouted Willis QB twice this year
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Post by Martin on Jan 21, 2022 14:58:23 GMT -5
Excellent OC's and DC's don't always equal an excellent HC The HC needs to be a great leader and be in sync with the GM. If you asked about me who would be a great HC hire? I cannot give that answer because I am not the GM. The GM has to have a great connection with the HC and both people have to have the same vision for the talent and players they will put on the field Sundays. This may be the first time Joe Schoen is in a position to hire his HC which is new to him and leaves room for a possible error. I won't applaud anything until I see wins during the regular season. So I am optimistic but also cautious.
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Post by allnygin on Jan 21, 2022 15:02:56 GMT -5
Flores then daboll or Daboll or Flores either one .. leaning more towards flores though ONLY if expectations between him and the GM are established. What broke the camels back was a disconnect with the GM/HC in Miami. He didn't want Tua management did. If both are on the same page, which I'm sure they will as Joe seems pretty smart and will probably have this all settled and both on the same page.. if not... Daboll is also a great candidate.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 15:05:06 GMT -5
Apparently our new GM has personally scouted Willis QB twice this year Corral as well (the only guy I kinda like in this class gun to my head if we had to take a qb early this year )
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Post by thetruth on Jan 21, 2022 15:10:45 GMT -5
Apparently our new GM has personally scouted Willis QB twice this year Corral as well (the only guy I kinda like in this class gun to my head if we had to take a qb early this year ) you know. Josh Allen had horrible accuracy in the NCAA. I feel like the ultra toolsey QB is what teams want to work with. In this draft class thats Willis. I like Corral as well, but you wonder what the upside is.
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Post by allnygin on Jan 21, 2022 15:12:00 GMT -5
Apparently our new GM has personally scouted Willis QB twice this year who knows if there will be a reach on these qbs, but he could be an interesting prospect in round 2 maybe. QBs are so damn hard to evaluate, you just never know, so I guess i'll remain open to any qb selected this year. I want none in the first, but I do like Pickens. Honestly, they need one either this year or the next, no way Jones gets another contract here and he shouldn't even if he does well next season, he's proving he can't be relied on. so QB is def a need. Just don't know if the solution is in this years draft.
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 21, 2022 15:13:18 GMT -5
Did you see this? Could be about Watson... I can only hope Apparently back in October, 18 out of the 22 plaintiffs were ready to settle so if he could resolve his legal issues, I'd definitely take a look and see what the Texans asking price is.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 21, 2022 15:19:53 GMT -5
Apparently back in October, 18 out of the 22 plaintiffs were ready to settle so if he could resolve his legal issues, I'd definitely take a look and see what the Texans asking price is. Big If. If clean off the field? then YES This guy has shown he can put up top-3 #'s with little on OL/WR/TE With our defence? We'd be a playoff team year #1 with Watson IMO
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Post by vinnie on Jan 21, 2022 15:30:34 GMT -5
Fans hate on him here and I don’t know why. Daboll is a complete unknown. Sure the offence is great in Buffalo but do any of us really think Allen was a dingbat but Daboll made him? Point is Daboll is as great an HC as Judge was when we hired him. There’s an attitude with fans that you can’t learn or develop as a coach. Apparently how you are on day one is all you’ll ever be. Glad the people in my career path didn’t treat my mistakes like that. What offenses did Judge run? What about defenses? What made Judge a great HC?
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 21, 2022 15:36:16 GMT -5
Fans hate on him here and I don’t know why. Daboll is a complete unknown. Sure the offence is great in Buffalo but do any of us really think Allen was a dingbat but Daboll made him? Point is Daboll is as great an HC as Judge was when we hired him. There’s an attitude with fans that you can’t learn or develop as a coach. Apparently how you are on day one is all you’ll ever be. Glad the people in my career path didn’t treat my mistakes like that. What offenses did Judge run? What about defenses? What made Judge a great HC? Almost every HC has to be a good coordinator to get an HC gig. That’s the big blind to just play the hand. Running a great O or D or ST is not a good indicator of being a great HC. the conversion from being a great coordinator to being a great HC (defined as resigned with the team after your first contract) is really low. Judge wasn’t a great HC. My point was rookie HCs all sound great when they’re hired. But a very tiny portion actually are great.
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Post by vinnie on Jan 21, 2022 15:36:53 GMT -5
You guys are insane thinking Mara would let Watson get anywhere near here plus he wouldn’t be worth whatever we had to give up to get him. Put the pipe down fellas.
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Post by vinnie on Jan 21, 2022 15:44:21 GMT -5
What offenses did Judge run? What about defenses? What made Judge a great HC? Almost every HC has to be a good coordinator to get an HC gig. That’s the big blind to just play the hand. Running a great O or D or ST is not a good indicator of being a great HC. the conversion from being a great coordinator to being a great HC (defined as resigned with the team after your first contract) is really low. Judge wasn’t a great HC. My point was rookie HCs all sound great when they’re hired. But a very tiny portion actually are great. I agree they are all gambles but I wouldn’t even breath Daboll’s name and Judges name in same sentence. Judge had zero HC, OC or DC experience, he had no business being a HC. At least Daboll runs a modern and innovative offense. You’re right, it’s still a risk but it would be a worthwhile risk IMO. There’s also a long history of retread HC’s who fail the 2nd or 3rd time around, they’re all risks. Look at MM, I think he’s completely over rated even though he won a Super Bowl. Quinn got to a SB due to Shanahan and oddly enough, the HC defensive guru is what lost the game for them. Other than that, he was a sub .500 coach but everyone is suddenly on his nuts because of what he did in Dallas in one year? I’d rather go with the unproven HC who reminds me of Stranahan, McVeigh and Lafleur.
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Post by Martin on Jan 21, 2022 15:54:37 GMT -5
Almost every HC has to be a good coordinator to get an HC gig. That’s the big blind to just play the hand. Running a great O or D or ST is not a good indicator of being a great HC. the conversion from being a great coordinator to being a great HC (defined as resigned with the team after your first contract) is really low. Judge wasn’t a great HC. My point was rookie HCs all sound great when they’re hired. But a very tiny portion actually are great. I agree they are all gambles but I wouldn’t even breath Daboll’s name and Judges name in same sentence. Judge had zero HC, OC or DC experience, he had no business being a HC. At least Daboll runs a modern and innovative offense. You’re right, it’s still a risk but it would be a worthwhile risk IMO. There’s also a long history of retread HC’s who fail the 2nd or 3rd time around, they’re all risks. Look at MM, I think he’s completely over rated even though he won a Super Bowl. Quinn got to a SB due to Shanahan and oddly enough, the HC defensive guru is what lost the game for them. Other than that, he was a sub .500 coach but everyone is suddenly on his nuts because of what he did in Dallas in one year? I’d rather go with the unproven HC who reminds me of Stranahan, McVeigh and Lafleur. This about the GM and its his call to make. I am sure his logic and decision making to hire his HC is a hell of a lot different than yours!
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