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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 21, 2022 22:49:11 GMT -5
I haven't wad anything that states the GM is hiring the HC. I'm under the impression that Mara still has final say on that. Well maybe its a rubber stamp! I hope. Mara needs to stay far away and let the pros handle it. He's done enough damage. I fat fingered that. Should have been *read* which I'm guessing you figured. He's got to give these guys a chance to pass or fail on their own. He hasn't done that in the past at all. I pray it's just a rubber stamp.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 21, 2022 22:59:35 GMT -5
Well maybe its a rubber stamp! I hope. Mara needs to stay far away and let the pros handle it. He's done enough damage. I fat fingered that. Should have been *read* which I'm guessing you figured. He's got to give these guys a chance to pass or fail on their own. He hasn't done that in the past at all. I pray it's just a rubber stamp. The fact he said he just rolls with 99.9 percent of what's recommended combined with the insistince on the GMs control here makes me think it's a rubber stamp.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 21, 2022 23:20:15 GMT -5
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 21, 2022 23:20:32 GMT -5
I'd guess Daboll at this junction. It's a shame Mara didn't let Judge have Daboll as his OC. I heard the Bills declined to allow him to interview.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 21, 2022 23:24:03 GMT -5
This would this be a trade down situation yes or is he worth a the 7th pick in the draft. For me?...no. He is not Josh Allen we're looking at, but I do believe two things are a strong possibility...new GM's get new coaches, and as said many times, they all want their own QB's. I also do believe Willis is exactly as the Truth suggested, the QB with the most upside and arm talent ....this year. Josh Allen was all about arm talent, and all the rest, from accuracy/mechanics and touch passes were added without taking away his other attributes of the today type QB including his wheels. Again, I'd wait...but I don't believe they will and it could be over for Jones. It's not often teams have 5 and 7 picks in the first round, with a new GM, new coach, and picks that high, as well as a QB yet to look franchise (reasons another debate).....does not look good for the core. If any QB peaks their interest, Jones IMHO is gone, and the new era of whomever shall begin. Is Willis worth a 5 or 7? As said, not close for myself, but I will have to trust whomever they eventually acquire...as these changes were not good for Daniel Jones job security. Our philosophy of using all picks on the OL might not in step with the new regimes plan....we all need to have a open mind, and give these actual experts in talent some time to create their masterpiece .... we hope. I agree with everything you just said I always thought this draft as far as QBs go is waiting fro the fruit to fall. good post my friend i have given every GM we have had 3.5 to 4 years this last stint has been hard tho but I made it.
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 21, 2022 23:58:26 GMT -5
Apparently back in October, 18 out of the 22 plaintiffs were ready to settle so if he could resolve his legal issues, I'd definitely take a look and see what the Texans asking price is. I think the settlements is the easy part. I'm pretty sure they'll all take the cash. Then you need certainty from the league on what their discipline will be and an escape hatch in the contract if he ****s up again and a reasonable price. 4 1s in not reasonable. If he’s able to resolve his legal issues, then I think the biggest hurdle will be trade compensation. From what I remember before the deal broke down due to Watson not being able to resolve his legal problems before the trade deadline, the Dolphins and Texans had agreed that the Dolphins were to give up 3 first rounders and Tua in exchange for Watson. I think everyday he hasn’t resolved his legal issues, his trade value and potential trade destinations declines.
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Post by mendy on Jan 22, 2022 5:41:07 GMT -5
big advantage of Flores is naturally Watson, but also, our DC Graham. Did you see this? Could be about Watson... How ?It says nothing about Watson, again people seem to be ignoring possible action to Watson from the NFL not to mention the Giants have no money for him and they better not give up 3 number ones for that fool. He is not an option.
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Post by mendy on Jan 22, 2022 5:44:52 GMT -5
Unless they were in the room with JM, I would wait it out.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 22, 2022 7:26:28 GMT -5
Why do you guys think Daboll regressed in his coaching career until his recent gig at Buffalo?
He was a position coach with the Patriots, Jets, then promoted to the OC for the Browns, Dolphins, Chiefs, then to a TE coach again for the Pats for 4 seasons (with Judge), then out of the NFL completely to Alabama as an OC/QB coach, then finally the OC at Buffalo.
Not exactly a normal usual track to a HC.
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 22, 2022 8:17:15 GMT -5
Why do you guys think Daboll regressed in his coaching career until his recent gig at Buffalo? He was a position coach with the Patriots, Jets, then promoted to the OC for the Browns, Dolphins, Chiefs, then to a TE coach again for the Pats for 4 seasons (with Judge), then out of the NFL completely to Alabama as an OC/QB coach, then finally the OC at Buffalo. Not exactly a normal usual track to a HC. There are so many variables that contribute to a HC's success or failure. The biggest being the QB position. If you have a good QB, or even better a legit top-5 QB, it hides a lot of flaws. I made a post earlier questioning how much of Buffalo's and KC's success is contributed to the fact they have Allen and Mahomes playing QB? I don't know the answer, but I think it's an interesting point to consider.
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Post by te88 on Jan 22, 2022 8:42:54 GMT -5
Why do you guys think Daboll regressed in his coaching career until his recent gig at Buffalo? He was a position coach with the Patriots, Jets, then promoted to the OC for the Browns, Dolphins, Chiefs, then to a TE coach again for the Pats for 4 seasons (with Judge), then out of the NFL completely to Alabama as an OC/QB coach, then finally the OC at Buffalo. Not exactly a normal usual track to a HC. I like that he has a wide range of experience as a coach. Seems like he was able to build some experience then went to Alabama and learned under an all time great coach, plus able to get up on the cutting edge stuff from college. Comes back to the NFL and has great success with Buffalo. I actually think it’s a fairly common track for actual good coaches. I’d prefer this than one of these guys that stayed in the nfl for 15 plus years running the same system, no college experience, etc.
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Post by jmike on Jan 22, 2022 9:16:33 GMT -5
Frazier ....meh And we would be going to a 4/3 Tampa 2... No thanks There will be other names as we did with the initial GM search, I hope they cast a wide net, speak to 9 - 10 candidates, and go from there. I hope our new GM already planned for who the coach will be. If this guy needs to talk to 9-10 candidates, he really was not well prepared to be a GM right now and was a bad hire.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 22, 2022 10:27:55 GMT -5
as we did with the initial GM search, I hope they cast a wide net, speak to 9 - 10 candidates, and go from there. I hope our new GM already planned for who the coach will be. If this guy needs to talk to 9-10 candidates, he really was not well prepared to be a GM right now and was a bad hire. we'll have to disagree on that one, especially with the first round of interviews being done remotely. No excuse not to, and there are plenty of worthy coaches.
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 22, 2022 10:35:01 GMT -5
I'd guess Daboll at this junction. It's a shame Mara didn't let Judge have Daboll as his OC. its a shame that Mara never realized that he could be the problem with the team being a slug organization, its starting to look as though he might finally be getting that idea now...
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 22, 2022 10:43:55 GMT -5
Apparently back in October, 18 out of the 22 plaintiffs were ready to settle so if he could resolve his legal issues, I'd definitely take a look and see what the Texans asking price is. Big If. If clean off the field? then YES This guy has shown he can put up top-3 #'s with little on OL/WR/TE With our defence? We'd be a playoff team year #1 with Watson IMO I live in the Houston area and see all the Texans games and Watson is the real deal. He will definitely come to his new team with baggage but if he puts this stuff behind him and fans give him a chance the team he goes to will be happy to have him, if we could afford him he would solve a big problem for us...
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 22, 2022 10:49:45 GMT -5
Flores supposedly alienates his staff and players to a degree. Sounds a dick head seems like there is a "dick head" epidemic going around right now..
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 22, 2022 10:52:40 GMT -5
I hope Denver trades up to 5 for him and we get their 1st next year when a real franchise qb could be there for the taking You mentioned in another thread when the complaining will start…we’ll hear some when a coach is taken, what defense they will run, and of course what they do with Jones, either way…. the Giants are like a volcano about to erupt right now, especially internally in the organization...
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Post by Dogecoin on Jan 22, 2022 10:53:04 GMT -5
I hope they don't get Frazier. He already stunk as an HC in the past . Hes a perfect coordinator profile.
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Post by lasion2 on Jan 22, 2022 10:58:45 GMT -5
Don’t be surprised with a new QB …. I still believe Willis is QB1 I hope Denver trades up to 5 for him and we get their 1st next year when a real franchise qb could be there for the taking That sounds like a fine plan. 7 and 9 with Denver’s first next year after playing a rookie qb? Might have 2 picks in the top 10 again, plenty of ammo to move up.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 22, 2022 11:00:02 GMT -5
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 22, 2022 11:00:40 GMT -5
Apparently back in October, 18 out of the 22 plaintiffs were ready to settle so if he could resolve his legal issues, I'd definitely take a look and see what the Texans asking price is. I think the settlements is the easy part. I'm pretty sure they'll all take the cash. Then you need certainty from the league on what their discipline will be and an escape hatch in the contract if he ****s up again and a reasonable price. 4 1s in not reasonable. if Watsons problems can all be fixed with money then it will happen...
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 22, 2022 11:06:00 GMT -5
Flores supposedly alienates his staff and players to a degree. Sounds a dick head seems like there is a "dick head" epidemic going around right now.. We’re in no position to be judgmental on how a coach was perceived on another team. Parcells was a dickhead, and no one batted an eye in part we were kicking ass. Give me a coach who’s respected, over being liked.
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 22, 2022 11:10:18 GMT -5
Big If. If clean off the field? then YES This guy has shown he can put up top-3 #'s with little on OL/WR/TE With our defence? We'd be a playoff team year #1 with Watson IMO I live in the Houston area and see all the Texans games and Watson is the real deal. He will definitely come to his new team with baggage but if he puts this stuff behind him and fans give him a chance the team he goes to will be happy to have him, if we could afford him he would solve a big problem for us... I agree too. He got 11 wins with no running game , a horrendous oline and 1 elte WR. He elevates that whole offense. I don't know if NY fans would trade that baggage he is carrying for more wins. I would personally.
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Post by scoostraw on Jan 22, 2022 11:38:39 GMT -5
He elevates that whole offense. I don't know if NY fans would trade that baggage he is carrying for more wins. I would personally. He has 22 lawsuits filed against him for sexual misconduct against women. I want no part of him. And I want no part of any team that does.
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Post by jmike on Jan 22, 2022 12:01:26 GMT -5
I hope our new GM already planned for who the coach will be. If this guy needs to talk to 9-10 candidates, he really was not well prepared to be a GM right now and was a bad hire. we'll have to disagree on that one, especially with the first round of interviews being done remotely. No excuse not to, and there are plenty of worthy coaches. Yeah, sorry, I'd rather my GM be the type that prepares for the future.
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Post by Jomo on Jan 22, 2022 12:05:18 GMT -5
Well maybe its a rubber stamp! I hope. Mara needs to stay far away and let the pros handle it. He's done enough damage. I fat fingered that. Should have been *read* which I'm guessing you figured. He's got to give these guys a chance to pass or fail on their own. He hasn't done that in the past at all. I pray it's just a rubber stamp. I would want the final sign off from me if I were JM. That is not how it has gone up until now. The GM needs to make his pick. The owner is paying the bill so he should have the right to bless it and learn what the GM sees in the new HC. That's it, no more than that from the owner. If the owner knows better than the GM, then he's got the wrong GM.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 22, 2022 12:06:45 GMT -5
He elevates that whole offense. I don't know if NY fans would trade that baggage he is carrying for more wins. I would personally. He has 22 lawsuits filed against him for sexual misconduct against women. I want no part of him. And I want no part of any team that does. The same team endorsed Josh Brown yet we are all still here. The same team has close ties to Lawrence Taylor, a guy who is a registered sex offender. I doubt that they bring Watson in, but I'm not naive enough to put it past them.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 22, 2022 12:14:17 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 22, 2022 12:16:50 GMT -5
I live in the Houston area and see all the Texans games and Watson is the real deal. He will definitely come to his new team with baggage but if he puts this stuff behind him and fans give him a chance the team he goes to will be happy to have him, if we could afford him he would solve a big problem for us... I agree too. He got 11 wins with no running game , a horrendous oline and 1 elte WR. He elevates that whole offense. I don't know if NY fans would trade that baggage he is carrying for more wins. I would personally. And if he comes here he will have less to work with with little hope the next 3 yea4s to build around him due to a cap crush and draft assets given up You do this if you have average talent on both sides of the ball,we have worse talent on offense than some back end college teams I'd rather tank for Bryce Young
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Post by scoostraw on Jan 22, 2022 12:19:59 GMT -5
The same team endorsed Josh Brown yet we are all still here. The same team has close ties to Lawrence Taylor, a guy who is a registered sex offender. I doubt that they bring Watson in, but I'm not naive enough to put it past them. LT was a different era, and there is debate as to how much they knew at the time about who he was as a person. With Brown - facing harsh criticism, the Giants cut ties with him and moved as far away from him as possible. It blows my mind how people talk about Watson as if he would be so desirable. It would be football suicide (IMO) if the Giants were to bring him here. Even if they wanted to, they won't. If they do, then I am gone for good.
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