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Jan 21, 2022 18:49:22 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 18:49:22 GMT -5
When i said attributes i meant arm talent. Thats throwing power + throwing accurately from different arm angles. Josh Allen, Herbert, Mahomes, Kyler, Russ all make these types of throws consistently and have that rare arm strength. I dont see this type of talent with any other QB in this draft. but no doubt he needs refinement If we view this current rebuild as a multi year exercise, we sure as shit don't need a QB this year unless there is a can't miss prospect which most say there is not. We need NFL ready bodies in many positions, 2 or 3 on the OL out of this draft. We can get to QB next year, imo. I don't.see a can't miss type this year He'll I put Bryce Young almost in Lawrence's class as as close to can't miss as you will see...just look at he all but willed that Bama team minus their top weapons to stay in the game ..and possibly elevated one of their nobody backup WRs to a higher draft slot than he should get (forget his name ) If Lane Kiffen can get a hold of Caleb Williams next year he could be special as well... |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 21, 2022 19:19:05 GMT -5
Apparently back in October, 18 out of the 22 plaintiffs were ready to settle so if he could resolve his legal issues, I'd definitely take a look and see what the Texans asking price is. I think the settlements is the easy part. I'm pretty sure they'll all take the cash. Then you need certainty from the league on what their discipline will be and an escape hatch in the contract if he ****s up again and a reasonable price. 4 1s in not reasonable. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 21, 2022 19:21:02 GMT -5
I agree they are all gambles but I wouldn’t even breath Daboll’s name and Judges name in same sentence. Judge had zero HC, OC or DC experience, he had no business being a HC. At least Daboll runs a modern and innovative offense. You’re right, it’s still a risk but it would be a worthwhile risk IMO. There’s also a long history of retread HC’s who fail the 2nd or 3rd time around, they’re all risks. Look at MM, I think he’s completely over rated even though he won a Super Bowl. Quinn got to a SB due to Shanahan and oddly enough, the HC defensive guru is what lost the game for them. Other than that, he was a sub .500 coach but everyone is suddenly on his nuts because of what he did in Dallas in one year? I’d rather go with the unproven HC who reminds me of Stranahan, McVeigh and Lafleur. This about the GM and its his call to make. I am sure his logic and decision making to hire his HC is a hell of a lot different than yours!  I haven't wad anything that states the GM is hiring the HC. I'm under the impression that Mara still has final say on that. |
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 21, 2022 19:31:09 GMT -5
I don't want to piss on Jones but I think we've seen enough to know that he isn't a game breaker who can carry a team on his back, actually I think the league is full of Daniel Jones types and most if not all are backups... Agreed. He can't even call an Audible or at least wasn't allowed to. I'm remember Eli doing all those things, changing protections etc...of course he learned from his bro Payton who was a master with that stuff. Eli wasn't that good in his third year. Just saying. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 21, 2022 19:52:29 GMT -5
Dabol interview in the Books who's next or who already went.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 21, 2022 19:53:18 GMT -5
Dabol interview in the Books who's next or who already went. Damn. Schoen is working!! |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 19:54:09 GMT -5
Dabol interview in the Books who's next or who already went. Damn. Schoen is working!! Yep Just about to post this Frazer is tomorrow I'm assuming it was via remote |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 21, 2022 19:59:37 GMT -5
Apparently our new GM has personally scouted Willis QB twice this year Don’t be surprised with a new QB …. I still believe Willis is QB1 He's pretty raw but you watch more then me. The little i saw looked like he does a lot of truckin and chuckin the talent is there but there will be a lot of development guess Dabol was part of Allens growth but a lot of that was Allen doing his work in the offseason. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 21, 2022 20:03:11 GMT -5
Dabol interview in the Books who's next or who already went. Damn. Schoen is working!! Thats the nice thing about young dudes they got the energy he knows the sooner you get that coach in place the better chance of them putting together a strong staff. |
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Post by nygiantsfan1029 on Jan 21, 2022 20:06:05 GMT -5
My guess would be Daboll. We need an offensive minded coach. I actually would like a defensive guy. Great giants teams always had a great defense. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 21, 2022 20:08:53 GMT -5
Apparently our new GM has personally scouted Willis QB twice this year Don’t be surprised with a new QB …. I still believe Willis is QB1 This would this be a trade down situation yes or is he worth a the 7th pick in the draft. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 20:30:19 GMT -5
My guess would be Daboll. We need an offensive minded coach. I actually would like a defensive guy. Great giants teams always had a great defense. This is 2022 Our offense is 1977 caliber You can't build a team to win 10-6 games anymore..this past season is proof and nobody has won like this since 2000,which might as well be prehistoric times 9 of the last 11 Super Bowl winners had top 10 offenses and defenses ..with 10 of the 11 having top 10 offenses... |
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Post by Speedman on Jan 21, 2022 20:34:44 GMT -5
Agreed. He can't even call an Audible or at least wasn't allowed to. I'm remember Eli doing all those things, changing protections etc...of course he learned from his bro Payton who was a master with that stuff. Eli wasn't that good in his third year. Just saying. Didn’t they go to the playoffs in Eli’s third year? |
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Jan 21, 2022 20:52:33 GMT -5
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Post by idkaname on Jan 21, 2022 20:52:33 GMT -5
I actually would like a defensive guy. Great giants teams always had a great defense. This is 2022 Our offense is 1977 caliber You can't build a team to win 10-6 games anymore..this past season is proof and nobody has won like this since 2000,which might as well be prehistoric times 9 of the last 11 Super Bowl winners had top 10 offenses and defenses ..with 10 of the 11 having top 10 offenses... yeah but many of them had high quality defenses (atleast when it mattered) defenses wins championships will always hold true…mostly due to the fact that if you can’t score you can’t win. Even mike Glennon could get us into FG range 1-2x a game. With a killer defense, sometimes that’s all you will need |
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Post by fifthavephil on Jan 21, 2022 20:55:04 GMT -5
Dabol interview in the Books who's next or who already went. I saw on NFL Network, Leslie Frazier has a schedule appointment. After, the weekend. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 20:55:26 GMT -5
This is 2022 Our offense is 1977 caliber You can't build a team to win 10-6 games anymore..this past season is proof and nobody has won like this since 2000,which might as well be prehistoric times 9 of the last 11 Super Bowl winners had top 10 offenses and defenses ..with 10 of the 11 having top 10 offenses... yeah but many of them had high quality defenses (atleast when it mattered) defenses wins championships will always hold true…mostly due to the fact that if you can’t score you can’t win. Even mike Glennon could get us into FG range 1-2x a game. With a killer defense, sometimes that’s all you will need It doesn't change the fact you need both a top 10 offense and top 10 defense in this era to win super Bowls You said it,if you can't score you can't win,but also if you can't move the ball you can't score. The offense is a prehistoric disaster and needs the most help to get to where we need. Thus an innovative offensive mind with a history of developing qbs to being top guys is a must Nobody is going to win a super bowl in this era built to win 10-6 games no matter how a few in this fan base wish we would. Let it go That era is gone |
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Post by miss86 on Jan 21, 2022 21:08:41 GMT -5
I agree they are all gambles but I wouldn’t even breath Daboll’s name and Judges name in same sentence. Judge had zero HC, OC or DC experience, he had no business being a HC. At least Daboll runs a modern and innovative offense. You’re right, it’s still a risk but it would be a worthwhile risk IMO. There’s also a long history of retread HC’s who fail the 2nd or 3rd time around, they’re all risks. Look at MM, I think he’s completely over rated even though he won a Super Bowl. Quinn got to a SB due to Shanahan and oddly enough, the HC defensive guru is what lost the game for them. Other than that, he was a sub .500 coach but everyone is suddenly on his nuts because of what he did in Dallas in one year? I’d rather go with the unproven HC who reminds me of Stranahan, McVeigh and Lafleur. . Moving on from him was the right thing to do. I don’t care what Quinn did in Dallas. He has a reputation for being a positive motivator without screaming at guys. I like the idea of alternating between the two styles. That’s why I don’t automatically dismiss him. I think he’s a long shot for the job. I don't hate JJ. I just felt he wasn't ready and should never have been hired in the 1st place as our HC. And it showed. |
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Post by cruzsoldier on Jan 21, 2022 21:18:55 GMT -5
Corral as well (the only guy I kinda like in this class gun to my head if we had to take a qb early this year ) you know. Josh Allen had horrible accuracy in the NCAA. I feel like the ultra toolsey QB is what teams want to work with. In this draft class thats Willis. I like Corral as well, but you wonder what the upside is. Corral reminds me of Derek Carr.....They look the same it's all in what you like I would just ride it out with Jones too many holes on the team to fish for a QB fix the OL then search for a replacement. |
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Post by nygiantsfan1029 on Jan 21, 2022 21:22:23 GMT -5
yeah but many of them had high quality defenses (atleast when it mattered) defenses wins championships will always hold true…mostly due to the fact that if you can’t score you can’t win. Even mike Glennon could get us into FG range 1-2x a game. With a killer defense, sometimes that’s all you will need It doesn't change the fact you need both a top 10 offense and top 10 defense in this era to win super Bowls You said it,if you can't score you can't win,but also if you can't move the ball you can't score. The offense is a prehistoric disaster and needs the most help to get to where we need. Thus an innovative offensive mind with a history of developing qbs to being top guys is a must Nobody is going to win a super bowl in this era built to win 10-6 games no matter how a few in this fan base wish we would. Let it go That era is gone Then call me old fashion.  |
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Jan 21, 2022 21:23:20 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 21:23:20 GMT -5
It doesn't change the fact you need both a top 10 offense and top 10 defense in this era to win super Bowls You said it,if you can't score you can't win,but also if you can't move the ball you can't score. The offense is a prehistoric disaster and needs the most help to get to where we need. Thus an innovative offensive mind with a history of developing qbs to being top guys is a must Nobody is going to win a super bowl in this era built to win 10-6 games no matter how a few in this fan base wish we would. Let it go That era is gone Then call me old fashion. Then I hope you enjoyed this past season because that is what old fashioned looks like |
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Post by GameTime on Jan 21, 2022 21:27:46 GMT -5
Dabol interview in the Books who's next or who already went. Damn. Schoen is working!! time was limited with Daboll because of his game schedule. They had to get it done by Saturday, |
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Jan 21, 2022 21:29:01 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 21:29:01 GMT -5
Damn. Schoen is working!! time was limited with Daboll because of his game schedule. They had to get it done by Saturday, Was it remote or in person (I'm guessing remote) |
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Post by GameTime on Jan 21, 2022 21:32:02 GMT -5
time was limited with Daboll because of his game schedule. They had to get it done by Saturday, Was it remote or in person (I'm guessing remote) Dont know. if it wasnt in person that kind of sucks. I guess for a first interview thats ok. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 21:35:23 GMT -5
Was it remote or in person (I'm guessing remote) Dont know. if it wasnt in person that kind of sucks. I guess for a first interview thats ok. I'm guessing it was remote with ...hell Schoen doesn't even have his contract fully written up yet so it was probably a spontaneous phone call made and poof quick preliminary interview |
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Post by Martin on Jan 21, 2022 21:42:32 GMT -5
This about the GM and its his call to make. I am sure his logic and decision making to hire his HC is a hell of a lot different than yours! I haven't wad anything that states the GM is hiring the HC. I'm under the impression that Mara still has final say on that. Well maybe its a rubber stamp! I hope. Mara needs to stay far away and let the pros handle it. He's done enough damage. |
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Post by nygiantsfan1029 on Jan 21, 2022 21:43:56 GMT -5
Then call me old fashion.  Then I hope you enjoyed this past season because that is what old fashioned looks like Im not saying to ignore the offense. I like just the idea of going back to when we had a dominate d. |
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Post by GameTime on Jan 21, 2022 21:45:38 GMT -5
Dont know. if it wasnt in person that kind of sucks. I guess for a first interview thats ok. I'm guessing it was remote with ...hell Schoen doesn't even have his contract fully written up yet so it was probably a spontaneous phone call made and poof quick preliminary interview guess between Schoen and Daboll they dont need much of a prelim interview. |
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Jan 21, 2022 21:46:12 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 21:46:12 GMT -5
Then I hope you enjoyed this past season because that is what old fashioned looks like Im not saying to ignore the offense. I like just the idea of going back to when we had a dominate d. And we are close if we stay in a 3/4 But it's literally a crisis situation with the offense.. Probably need 4 starters on the O line Our recievers and TEs are a mess We have a ? In many ways at QB .. Get a guy with experience with building a modern innovative offense and development of a qb one way or another |
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Post by nygiantsfan1029 on Jan 21, 2022 22:01:04 GMT -5
Im not saying to ignore the offense. I like just the idea of going back to when we had a dominate d. And we are close if we stay in a 3/4 But it's literally a crisis situation with the offense.. Probably need 4 starters on the O line Our recievers and TEs are a mess We have a ? In many ways at QB .. Get a guy with experience with building a modern innovative offense and development of a qb one way or another Look we both know that ideally we want a head coach that has a good mind for both sides of the ball. Problem is the names we have heard seem to be more on one side or the other. Flores and Quinn more defensive with questions. Why did Flores go through so many OCs and Quinn question being was the success his team see on Offense him or Kyle Shannahan? Daboll is an unknown because he has never been a HC and he being an OC and a good one makes you wonder can he put together a good defense. Out of those three I rank Daboll at the bottom but mostly because after the MacAdoo and Judge debacles i think we need some one with experience |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2022 22:13:13 GMT -5
Don’t be surprised with a new QB …. I still believe Willis is QB1 This would this be a trade down situation yes or is he worth a the 7th pick in the draft. For me?...no. He is not Josh Allen we're looking at, but I do believe two things are a strong possibility...new GM's get new coaches, and as said many times, they all want their own QB's. I also do believe Willis is exactly as the Truth suggested, the QB with the most upside and arm talent ....this year. Josh Allen was all about arm talent, and all the rest, from accuracy/mechanics and touch passes were added without taking away his other attributes of the today type QB including his wheels. Again, I'd wait...but I don't believe they will and it could be over for Jones. It's not often teams have 5 and 7 picks in the first round, with a new GM, new coach, and picks that high, as well as a QB yet to look franchise (reasons another debate).....does not look good for the core. If any QB peaks their interest, Jones IMHO is gone, and the new era of whomever shall begin. Is Willis worth a 5 or 7? As said, not close for myself, but I will have to trust whomever they eventually acquire...as these changes were not good for Daniel Jones job security. Our philosophy of using all picks on the OL might not in step with the new regimes plan....we all need to have a open mind, and give these actual experts in talent some time to create their masterpiece .... we hope. |
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