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Jan 22, 2022 12:30:30 GMT -5
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Post by SG88 on Jan 22, 2022 12:30:30 GMT -5
The same team endorsed Josh Brown yet we are all still here. The same team has close ties to Lawrence Taylor, a guy who is a registered sex offender. I doubt that they bring Watson in, but I'm not naive enough to put it past them. LT was a different era, and there is debate as to how much they knew at the time about who he was as a person. With Brown - facing harsh criticism, the Giants cut ties with him and moved as far away from him as possible. It blows my mind how people talk about Watson as if he would be so desirable. It would be football suicide (IMO) if the Giants were to bring him here. Even if they wanted to, they won't. If they do, then I am gone for good. They only cut ties with Brown after the public backlash became too overwhelming. When it comes to Watson, Houston is stuck with him until there's resolution in his situation.
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Post by scoostraw on Jan 22, 2022 12:31:41 GMT -5
They only cut ties with Brown after the public backlash became too overwhelming. I agree. And there is no way they will make that mistake again.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 22, 2022 12:32:02 GMT -5
Giants to interview defensive coordinator Patrick Graham for head coach Defensive coordinator Patrick Graham will join four other known candidates interviewing for the coaching vacancy, sources confirmed to The Post. The Yale-educated Graham is well-respected in the building by ownership, the front office and the players.nypost.com/2022/01/22/giants-set-to-interview-patrick-graham-for-head-coach/
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Jan 22, 2022 12:36:10 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 22, 2022 12:36:10 GMT -5
LT was a different era, and there is debate as to how much they knew at the time about who he was as a person. With Brown - facing harsh criticism, the Giants cut ties with him and moved as far away from him as possible. It blows my mind how people talk about Watson as if he would be so desirable. It would be football suicide (IMO) if the Giants were to bring him here. Even if they wanted to, they won't. If they do, then I am gone for good. They only cut ties with Brown after the public backlash became too overwhelming. When it comes to Watson, Houston is stuck with him until there's resolution in his situation. Them the inevitable NFL suspension
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Post by SG88 on Jan 22, 2022 12:38:51 GMT -5
Giants to interview defensive coordinator Patrick Graham for head coach Defensive coordinator Patrick Graham will join four other known candidates interviewing for the coaching vacancy, sources confirmed to The Post. The Yale-educated Graham is well-respected in the building by ownership, the front office and the players.nypost.com/2022/01/22/giants-set-to-interview-patrick-graham-for-head-coach/I'm actually glad that he is getting an interview. He's well respected around the league and will be a HC sooner than later. He wouldn't be my choice, but I have no issues with this whatsoever.
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Jan 22, 2022 12:40:01 GMT -5
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Post by SG88 on Jan 22, 2022 12:40:01 GMT -5
They only cut ties with Brown after the public backlash became too overwhelming. When it comes to Watson, Houston is stuck with him until there's resolution in his situation. Them the inevitable NFL suspension Exactly. Houston really should lower their demands to mid round draft choices.
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Jan 22, 2022 12:44:05 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 22, 2022 12:44:05 GMT -5
Them the inevitable NFL suspension Exactly. Houston really should lower their demands to mid round draft choices. 27 teams in the league have that same wishful thinking... Here is my compromise to get him here ... A 3rd this year if cleared and a conditional pick up to a 1st in 2023 depending on games played this year Then I have very little issues because we can build the team around him through the draft ,though the cap hit would be catastrophic This is my main issue with bringing in him or a Wilson..... Robbing Peter to have a good qb doesn't work unless the team is already built
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Post by fifthavephil on Jan 22, 2022 12:44:49 GMT -5
Giants to interview defensive coordinator Patrick Graham for head coach Defensive coordinator Patrick Graham will join four other known candidates interviewing for the coaching vacancy, sources confirmed to The Post. The Yale-educated Graham is well-respected in the building by ownership, the front office and the players.nypost.com/2022/01/22/giants-set-to-interview-patrick-graham-for-head-coach/So, who is selecting the Head Coach ??? Who is present during the interviews ???
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Post by McCherry on Jan 22, 2022 12:52:32 GMT -5
Giants to interview defensive coordinator Patrick Graham for head coach Defensive coordinator Patrick Graham will join four other known candidates interviewing for the coaching vacancy, sources confirmed to The Post. The Yale-educated Graham is well-respected in the building by ownership, the front office and the players.nypost.com/2022/01/22/giants-set-to-interview-patrick-graham-for-head-coach/So, who is selecting the Head Coach ??? Who is present during the interviews ??? I would imagine any staff decision from here on comes from Schoen.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 22, 2022 12:53:00 GMT -5
Giants to interview defensive coordinator Patrick Graham for head coach Defensive coordinator Patrick Graham will join four other known candidates interviewing for the coaching vacancy, sources confirmed to The Post. The Yale-educated Graham is well-respected in the building by ownership, the front office and the players.nypost.com/2022/01/22/giants-set-to-interview-patrick-graham-for-head-coach/So, who is selecting the Head Coach ??? Who is present during the interviews ??? 1.Schoen 2.Its via teleconference so all are there
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Jan 22, 2022 13:07:10 GMT -5
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Post by jaymas on Jan 22, 2022 13:07:10 GMT -5
Almost every HC has to be a good coordinator to get an HC gig. That’s the big blind to just play the hand. Running a great O or D or ST is not a good indicator of being a great HC. the conversion from being a great coordinator to being a great HC (defined as resigned with the team after your first contract) is really low. Judge wasn’t a great HC. My point was rookie HCs all sound great when they’re hired. But a very tiny portion actually are great. I agree they are all gambles but I wouldn’t even breath Daboll’s name and Judges name in same sentence. Judge had zero HC, OC or DC experience, he had no business being a HC. At least Daboll runs a modern and innovative offense. You’re right, it’s still a risk but it would be a worthwhile risk IMO. There’s also a long history of retread HC’s who fail the 2nd or 3rd time around, they’re all risks. Look at MM, I think he’s completely over rated even though he won a Super Bowl. Quinn got to a SB due to Shanahan and oddly enough, the HC defensive guru is what lost the game for them. Other than that, he was a sub .500 coach but everyone is suddenly on his nuts because of what he did in Dallas in one year? I’d rather go with the unproven HC who reminds me of Stranahan, McVeigh and Lafleur. In Quinn's defense he made then playoffs the very next year and won his first round game without Kyle Shanahan. My biggest knock on him in Atlanta is the fact that the defense never took the endt step with him. Maybe it was roster construction, maybe he never was able to hire the right DC to execute his vision, who knows. Now, had they won the Superbowl we'd all be lauding their effort as they shut Brady down for almost three quarters. Alas, was not to be.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 22, 2022 13:15:18 GMT -5
you know. Josh Allen had horrible accuracy in the NCAA. I feel like the ultra toolsey QB is what teams want to work with. In this draft class thats Willis. I like Corral as well, but you wonder what the upside is. Corral reminds me of Derek Carr.....They look the same it's all in what you like I would just ride it out with Jones too many holes on the team to fish for a QB fix the OL then search for a replacement. Derek Carr is a substantial upgrade to Daniel Jones. We do recognize that, right?!
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Post by Bigjeep on Jan 22, 2022 13:17:48 GMT -5
This will go quickly!
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Post by thetruth on Jan 22, 2022 13:17:55 GMT -5
Big If. If clean off the field? then YES This guy has shown he can put up top-3 #'s with little on OL/WR/TE With our defence? We'd be a playoff team year #1 with Watson IMO I live in the Houston area and see all the Texans games and Watson is the real deal. He will definitely come to his new team with baggage but if he puts this stuff behind him and fans give him a chance the team he goes to will be happy to have him, if we could afford him he would solve a big problem for us... he's very unique in how he plays the game, and he always keeps his teams close, teams that have been terrible. I dont know how many remember how good he is. Now. I get the shit that allegedly did is kind of nuts. However, if he checks the legal box and has no further issue with the NFL, there is literally nothing I wouldn't trade. If we tiered NFL positional values, QB is like 10 tiers higher than anything. A top 5 QB whos not yet 30? priceless! I wouldn't worry about the cap. We can afford him, it'll take a little work but thats not what would hypothetically 'stop' the Giants (Im a CPA and i've looking into how the NFL cap works and its hilariously easy to circumvent). Management would likely be the only issue, I would imagine, however, If Watson is cleared then im not sure what reservation they would have
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Jan 22, 2022 13:27:52 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 22, 2022 13:27:52 GMT -5
Corral reminds me of Derek Carr.....They look the same it's all in what you like I would just ride it out with Jones too many holes on the team to fish for a QB fix the OL then search for a replacement. Derek Carr is a substantial upgrade to Daniel Jones. We do recognize that, right?! Corrall on a rookie deal >Carr.. Preferably in the 2nd
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Post by scoostraw on Jan 22, 2022 13:27:57 GMT -5
I'm actually glad that he is getting an interview. He's well respected around the league and will be a HC sooner than later. He wouldn't be my choice, but I have no issues with this whatsoever. I agree 100%.
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Jan 22, 2022 13:31:22 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 22, 2022 13:31:22 GMT -5
I agree they are all gambles but I wouldn’t even breath Daboll’s name and Judges name in same sentence. Judge had zero HC, OC or DC experience, he had no business being a HC. At least Daboll runs a modern and innovative offense. You’re right, it’s still a risk but it would be a worthwhile risk IMO. There’s also a long history of retread HC’s who fail the 2nd or 3rd time around, they’re all risks. Look at MM, I think he’s completely over rated even though he won a Super Bowl. Quinn got to a SB due to Shanahan and oddly enough, the HC defensive guru is what lost the game for them. Other than that, he was a sub .500 coach but everyone is suddenly on his nuts because of what he did in Dallas in one year? I’d rather go with the unproven HC who reminds me of Stranahan, McVeigh and Lafleur. In Quinn's defense he made then playoffs the very next year and won his first round game without Kyle Shanahan. My biggest knock on him in Atlanta is the fact that the defense never took the endt step with him. Maybe it was roster construction, maybe he never was able to hire the right DC to execute his vision, who knows. Now, had they won the Superbowl we'd all be lauding their effort as they shut Brady down for almost three quarters. Alas, was not to be. Those defenses ..he had 1 top 10 defense....
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Post by Jomo on Jan 22, 2022 13:40:23 GMT -5
You get one shot to hire the best person you can for the job that will help make your mark as a new GM and come to the conclusion that Quinn is your guy?
It seems preposterous, we need to aim higher in all facets of building this franchise.
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Jan 22, 2022 13:40:35 GMT -5
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Post by SG88 on Jan 22, 2022 13:40:35 GMT -5
I live in the Houston area and see all the Texans games and Watson is the real deal. He will definitely come to his new team with baggage but if he puts this stuff behind him and fans give him a chance the team he goes to will be happy to have him, if we could afford him he would solve a big problem for us... he's very unique in how he plays the game, and he always keeps his teams close, teams that have been terrible. I dont know how many remember how good he is. Now. I get the shit that allegedly did is kind of nuts. However, if he checks the legal box and has no further issue with the NFL, there is literally nothing I wouldn't trade. If we tiered NFL positional values, QB is like 10 tiers higher than anything. A top 5 QB whos not yet 30? priceless! I wouldn't worry about the cap. We can afford him, it'll take a little work but thats not what would hypothetically 'stop' the Giants (Im a CPA and i've looking into how the NFL cap works and its hilariously easy to circumvent). Management would likely be the only issue, I would imagine, however, If Watson is cleared then im not sure what reservation they would have He's a great quarterback. No doubt about it. I've honestly forgotten what it's like to have a good QB on this team.
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Jan 22, 2022 13:44:07 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 22, 2022 13:44:07 GMT -5
You get one shot to hire the best person you can for the job that will help make your mark as a new GM and come to the conclusion that Quinn is your guy? It seems preposterous, we need to aim higher in all facets of building this franchise. I'm guessing due diligence.. He was out there
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Jan 22, 2022 13:45:15 GMT -5
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Post by giants8493 on Jan 22, 2022 13:45:15 GMT -5
Apparently our new GM has personally scouted Willis QB twice this year why? Replace Josh allen?
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Post by Jomo on Jan 22, 2022 13:48:10 GMT -5
You get one shot to hire the best person you can for the job that will help make your mark as a new GM and come to the conclusion that Quinn is your guy? It seems preposterous, we need to aim higher in all facets of building this franchise. I'm guessing due diligence..He was out there No problem with that and we might get a clue or two on how an opponent breaks things down.
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Post by Parademon1 on Jan 22, 2022 14:02:44 GMT -5
No to Flores & a definite hell no to "Oil my bum" Watson!
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Post by thetruth on Jan 22, 2022 14:34:23 GMT -5
Apparently our new GM has personally scouted Willis QB twice this year why? Replace Josh allen? im sure he knew he was going to be a GM candidate. Struggling teams usually need new GMs, which also usually means they have problems at the QB position. 3D chess from mr "Shane"
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Post by thetruth on Jan 22, 2022 14:35:51 GMT -5
Derek Carr is a substantial upgrade to Daniel Jones. We do recognize that, right?! Corrall on a rookie deal >Carr.. Preferably in the 2nd If he's as good as Carr was then id take him in the first! For instance, how many QB's drafted in the past 3 years is Carr objectively better than? Heck, even when you look at how well Carr produced early on in his career. Raiders are a mess. Not a Carr issue IMO
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Jan 22, 2022 14:48:19 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 22, 2022 14:48:19 GMT -5
Corrall on a rookie deal >Carr.. Preferably in the 2nd If he's as good as Carr was then id take him in the first! For instance, how many QB's drafted in the past 3 years is Carr objectively better than? Heck, even when you look at how well Carr produced early on in his career. Raiders are a mess. Not a Carr issue IMO I've never had an issue with Carr What he did on Thanksgiving with virtually nobody after their TE went down was amazing I just don't see a top 10 pick being prudent for any of these guys TBH... even though I like Corral...
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Post by thetruth on Jan 22, 2022 14:49:44 GMT -5
If he's as good as Carr was then id take him in the first! For instance, how many QB's drafted in the past 3 years is Carr objectively better than? Heck, even when you look at how well Carr produced early on in his career. Raiders are a mess. Not a Carr issue IMO I've never had an issue with Carr What he did on Thanksgiving with virtually nobody after their TE went down was amazing I just don't see a top 10 pick being prudent for any of these guys TBH... even though I like Corral... I think its inevitable. Its why QB's almost always go top-10. They're so dang valuable, you got to think someone's thinking it. I bet around draft time you'll see big "risers" at this position.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 22, 2022 14:51:45 GMT -5
I've never had an issue with Carr What he did on Thanksgiving with virtually nobody after their TE went down was amazing I just don't see a top 10 pick being prudent for any of these guys TBH... even though I like Corral... I think its inevitable. Its why QB's almost always go top-10. They're so dang valuable, you got to think someone's thinking it. I bet around draft time you'll see big "risers" at this position. I hope someone trades up with us for 5 and we can get Corral later if that's who they want...this way more assets to build the wall and not ruin this guy line we ruined Jones...
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 22, 2022 14:58:44 GMT -5
One thing to keep in mind with Flores.
Schoen worked with Chris Grier for 9 years. Flores got fired in a power struggle with Grier. You can bet Schoen is going to reach out to Grier to get the lowdown on Flores.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 22, 2022 15:01:41 GMT -5
I think its inevitable. Its why QB's almost always go top-10. They're so dang valuable, you got to think someone's thinking it. I bet around draft time you'll see big "risers" at this position. I hope someone trades up with us for 5 and we can get Corral later if that's who they want...this way more assets to build the wall and not ruin this guy line we ruined Jones... im always game for trading back. I want an OT with one of our firsts. OGs/OC's we can find better value for later in the draft. 2nd/3rd round picks will be more than enough to re-build the OL in conjunction with a OT in the first.
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