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Post by FBomb on Jan 23, 2022 23:53:00 GMT -5
Get Daboll in here now. Lots of work to do.
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Post by FBomb on Jan 24, 2022 8:04:31 GMT -5
Image of Getty's last day.
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Post by Giggles on Jan 24, 2022 8:17:03 GMT -5
Daboll scares me. The guy's offenses have always been mediocre at best and then he gets Josh Allen and he's a hot coaching prospect. Hope they interview more people first.
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Post by FBomb on Jan 24, 2022 8:18:46 GMT -5
Daboll scares me. The guy's offenses have always been mediocre at best and then he gets Josh Allen and he's a hot coaching prospect. Hope they interview more people first. Who doesn't?
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 24, 2022 8:43:42 GMT -5
Daboll scares me. The guy's offenses have always been mediocre at best and then he gets Josh Allen and he's a hot coaching prospect. Hope they interview more people first. Who doesn't? I think the shadows in his room at night scare him
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Post by nygiantsfan1029 on Jan 24, 2022 8:47:57 GMT -5
Daboll scares me. The guy's offenses have always been mediocre at best and then he gets Josh Allen and he's a hot coaching prospect. Hope they interview more people first. Who doesn't? So far the top three candidates all have their questions. Personally I would rather have someone in here with HC experience (given the debacles of MacAdoo and Judge) but they also need someone to save this offense and well Quin and Flores have questions on if they could get the offense turned around
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 24, 2022 8:50:53 GMT -5
I think it will be very hard for Schoen to hire someone OTHER than Daboll.
He said he wants leadership and someone who develops players. I’m assuming he feels Daboll does both of those well.
Living in Toronto the Bills fans I know are all praying that no one touches Daboll.
As fans we just evaluate how these coach’s respective units perform. there are more successful coordinators that fail as an HC than succeed. Each step up the ladder you’re doing less and managing more, it’s a different skill set. It’s why amazing sales professionals can be horrible managers/coaches.
Schoen knows this. He will be looking for evidence of someone who motivates and creates the right culture more than how their O or D performed.
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Post by Giggles on Jan 24, 2022 8:54:09 GMT -5
Daboll scares me. The guy's offenses have always been mediocre at best and then he gets Josh Allen and he's a hot coaching prospect. Hope they interview more people first. Who doesn't? I'm always weary of offensive coordinators coming from teams with great quarterbacks.
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Post by FBomb on Jan 24, 2022 8:54:32 GMT -5
So far the top three candidates all have their questions. Personally I would rather have someone in here with HC experience (given the debacles of MacAdoo and Judge) but they also need someone to save this offense and well Quin and Flores have questions on if they could get the offense turned around There are pros and cons with ANYONE. We're all human and flawed. You move forward by staying current. Promoting good coordinators is how you find future great head coaches. No one is a lock.
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Post by nick030567 on Jan 24, 2022 8:54:45 GMT -5
I think the shadows in his room at night scare him Lmao I kinda get what he means though, this time 😁 It could be Mac and Shurm 3.0. The latest, most popular "hot" offensive coordinator, never before head coach. As long as we don't have to watch a Bettcher/Fewell Defense and a Garrett/Mac/pat style offense, it should translate to wins and entertaining games..thus I'll be pleased lol
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Post by jaymas on Jan 24, 2022 8:55:03 GMT -5
Daboll scares me. The guy's offenses have always been mediocre at best and then he gets Josh Allen and he's a hot coaching prospect. Hope they interview more people first. So he gets discredited because he was working with Matt Moore, Colt McCoy, Brady Quinn, Matt Cassell, and late-career Chad Pennington? But gets no credit for developing a super raw QB prospect into one of the NFL's best? Mahomes was also a raw QB prospect, and I'll tell you what, either of those guys last night end up on teams like the Giants, their careers are not the same. Teams ruin QBs all the time. Credit to coaches who can develop players that have loads of potential like Mahomes and Allen. This is just so easy to flip into "finally Daboll got a QB capable of executing and offense competently and look at the results." He also excelled as Saban's offensive coordinator with real QB talent and brought a lot of college concepts to the NFL, which if you look around...that's what great offenses have done.
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Post by Tyrell on Jan 24, 2022 8:55:10 GMT -5
If folks are judging Daboll solely on his record as an offensive coordinator, honestly, it doesnt actually have too much to do with how successful at head coach he may or may not be. we're hiring him (or whomever) to lead the entire team, to be a head coach of the new york giants and all that entails, not just be a coordinator of one aspect of it.
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Post by FBomb on Jan 24, 2022 8:56:29 GMT -5
I'm always weary of offensive coordinators coming from teams with great quarterbacks. You're right. We should pilfer an OC from losing teams to be our HC. What's Kitchens doing now?
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 24, 2022 8:59:11 GMT -5
Daboll scares me. The guy's offenses have always been mediocre at best and then he gets Josh Allen and he's a hot coaching prospect. Hope they interview more people first. So he gets discredited because he was working with Matt Moore, Colt McCoy, Brady Quinn, Matt Cassell, and late-career Chad Pennington? But gets no credit for developing a super raw QB prospect into one of the NFL's best? Mahomes was also a raw QB prospect, and I'll tell you what, either of those guys last night end up on team's like the Giants, their careers are not the same. Teams ruin QBs all the time. Credit to coaches who can develop players that have loads of potential like Mahomes and Allen. This is just so easy to flip into "finally Daboll got a QB capable of executing and offense competently and look at the results." He also excelled as Saban's offensive coordinator with real QB talent and brought a lot of college concepts to the NFL, which if you look around...that's what great offenses have done. Well said
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Post by giants8493 on Jan 24, 2022 9:00:11 GMT -5
How about we go through the process and make sure we select the next hc for the job. I don't want schoen just bringing his buddies in for no reason.
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Post by FBomb on Jan 24, 2022 9:07:57 GMT -5
How about we go through the process and make sure we select the next hc for the job. I don't want schoen just bringing his buddies in for no reason. "no reason"? Who's the better choice?
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Post by jaymas on Jan 24, 2022 9:08:27 GMT -5
How about we go through the process and make sure we select the next hc for the job. I don't want schoen just bringing his buddies in for no reason. Why is the assumption that the connection aspect is bad or "someone's buddy?"
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 24, 2022 9:10:10 GMT -5
How about we go through the process and make sure we select the next hc for the job. I don't want schoen just bringing his buddies in for no reason. "no reason"? Who's the better choice? I suspect we still have fans low key resisting the team going into the modern era that are afraid Daboll or an offensive nerd like Taylor will bring us into this era..
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Post by repeatchamps on Jan 24, 2022 9:20:14 GMT -5
So the offense only works in Buffalo because they have Josh Allen and Daboll has little to do with it, lol.
How exactly did Allen scheme Gabriel Davis a back end of the roster (perhaps admittedly up and coming) young WR wide open for 200 yards and 4 TD's on the biggest stage and in the key moments of the game on the road against probably the best team in the NFL?
Does Allen have some magic power in the huddle that make WR's come so wide open that my dead grandmothers could have come back from the grave and gotten him the ball in those same situations?
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 24, 2022 9:25:57 GMT -5
Daboll scares me. The guy's offenses have always been mediocre at best and then he gets Josh Allen and he's a hot coaching prospect. Hope they interview more people first. pretty easy to call plays when you have talent. How long will it take and how many more coaches will the Giants go through to rebuild this mess? The mob will go from praising, demanding an protecting their choice for coach one day and go into kill the coach mode the next. Team needs talent and besides the uniform this roster didn’t qualify as an NFL by seasons end imo.
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Post by repeatchamps on Jan 24, 2022 9:32:33 GMT -5
Daboll scares me. The guy's offenses have always been mediocre at best and then he gets Josh Allen and he's a hot coaching prospect. Hope they interview more people first. pretty easy to call plays when you have talent. How long will it take and how many more coaches will the Giants go through to rebuild this mess? The mob will go from praising, demanding an protecting their choice for coach one day and go into kill the coach mode the next. Team needs talent and besides the uniform this roster didn’t qualify as an NFL by seasons end imo. I like the idea of Daboll admittedly but you're correct talent matters the most. Whoever is head coach we need assurances that a modern day offensive scheme will be implemented. Regardless of the talent on the field the entire playbook and the best possible play calling skills from a team that has run successful offenses on the regular must be on the table and at least must be tried to be implemented. The scheme in place must be evident that it is not the cause for ANY offensive struggles.If that's not the case this current cycle of every 2 years and coordinator or head coach fired will repeat itself over and over again. I wish things could be paused until the needed talent is acquired but that's just not possible. The only option they have in the meantime is to bring in the best offensive mind available to coordinate this offense or be the head coach and implement his offensive vision through other coaches.
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Post by FBomb on Jan 24, 2022 9:32:58 GMT -5
Daboll scares me. The guy's offenses have always been mediocre at best and then he gets Josh Allen and he's a hot coaching prospect. Hope they interview more people first. pretty easy to call plays when you have talent. How long will it take and how many more coaches will the Giants go through to rebuild this mess? The mob will go from praising, demanding an protecting their choice for coach one day and go into kill the coach mode the next. Team needs talent and besides the uniform this roster didn’t qualify as an NFL by seasons end imo. Judge is gone. Time to stop whining and move on.
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Post by Giggles on Jan 24, 2022 9:34:20 GMT -5
So the offense only works in Buffalo because they have Josh Allen and Daboll has little to do with it, lol. How exactly did Allen scheme Gabriel Davis a back end of the roster (perhaps admittedly up and coming) young WR wide open for 200 yards and 4 TD's on the biggest stage and in the key moments of the game on the road against probably the best team in the NFL? Does Allen have some magic power in the huddle that make WR's come so wide open that my dead grandmothers could have come back from the grave and gotten him the ball in those same situations? If I had to guess...most of the credit for their success goes to Allen's play rather than their play calling. He has the arm and football IQ to make all of the throws and go through his progressions. It's just easier to call plays when you have that. I will admit he probably deserves credit for his development without knowing the details.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 24, 2022 9:38:47 GMT -5
pretty easy to call plays when you have talent. How long will it take and how many more coaches will the Giants go through to rebuild this mess? The mob will go from praising, demanding an protecting their choice for coach one day and go into kill the coach mode the next. Team needs talent and besides the uniform this roster didn’t qualify as an NFL by seasons end imo. Judge is gone. Time to stop whining and move on. You’re confused, i get it.
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Post by repeatchamps on Jan 24, 2022 9:40:08 GMT -5
So the offense only works in Buffalo because they have Josh Allen and Daboll has little to do with it, lol. How exactly did Allen scheme Gabriel Davis a back end of the roster (perhaps admittedly up and coming) young WR wide open for 200 yards and 4 TD's on the biggest stage and in the key moments of the game on the road against probably the best team in the NFL? Does Allen have some magic power in the huddle that make WR's come so wide open that my dead grandmothers could have come back from the grave and gotten him the ball in those same situations? If I had to guess...most of the credit for their success goes to Allen's play rather than their play calling. He has the arm and football IQ to make all of the throws and go through his progressions. It's just easier to call plays when you have that. I will admit he probably deserves credit for his development without knowing the details. It's not just about calling plays. It's all about the scheme. The question is does Daboll bring in an offensive scheme that has helped Allen and the WR's and running backs thrive? Did he implement a scheme that fits his offensive unit's strengths? Even for the lowest offensive player on the depth chart? I have seen enough to answer that with a resounding yes.
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Post by Giggles on Jan 24, 2022 9:43:34 GMT -5
If I had to guess...most of the credit for their success goes to Allen's play rather than their play calling. He has the arm and football IQ to make all of the throws and go through his progressions. It's just easier to call plays when you have that. I will admit he probably deserves credit for his development without knowing the details. It's not just about calling plays. It's all about the scheme. The question is does Daboll bring in an offensive scheme that has helped Allen and the WR's and running backs thrive? Did he implement a scheme that fits his offensive unit's strengths? I have seen enough to answer that with a resounding yes. I don't think there is enough talent on this offense to fit any scheme. He's going from the penthouse to the outhouse. We'll see how he handles that if he gets the job. Schoen better make the right hire and Mara needs to stay out of the way.
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Post by FBomb on Jan 24, 2022 9:45:26 GMT -5
Judge is gone. Time to stop whining and move on. You’re confused, i get it. All you do is whine about "the mob" as if they had any hand in getting your boyfriend fired. His actions during the last few games are what got hom fired. And, Mara STILL wanted to keep him just to save face. Luckily, others talked him out of it. That should be enough to tell you he was the wrong head coach. You don't force a HC on a new GM if you want actual change. Mara has been forced to make actual changes. But....I guess you know better. WLB
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Post by repeatchamps on Jan 24, 2022 9:45:34 GMT -5
It's not just about calling plays. It's all about the scheme. The question is does Daboll bring in an offensive scheme that has helped Allen and the WR's and running backs thrive? Did he implement a scheme that fits his offensive unit's strengths? I have seen enough to answer that with a resounding yes. I don't think there is enough talent on this offense to fit any scheme. He's going from the penthouse to the outhouse. We'll see how he handles that if he gets the job. Schoen better make the right hire and Mara needs to stay out of the way. It's not possible to just pause until there is enough talent. I wish it was but it is not. The only option they have in the meantime is to bring in the best offensive mind available to coordinate this offense or be the head coach and implement his offensive vision through other coaches= DABOLL.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 24, 2022 9:46:18 GMT -5
Man, watching that Bills/Chiefs game last night just showed how far this team is away from being an actual contender, and how far we are away at the QB position from making this happen.
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Post by FBomb on Jan 24, 2022 9:46:27 GMT -5
It's not just about calling plays. It's all about the scheme. The question is does Daboll bring in an offensive scheme that has helped Allen and the WR's and running backs thrive? Did he implement a scheme that fits his offensive unit's strengths? I have seen enough to answer that with a resounding yes. I don't think there is enough talent on this offense to fit any scheme. He's going from the penthouse to the outhouse. We'll see how he handles that if he gets the job. Schoen better make the right hire and Mara needs to stay out of the way. Agreed. So far, that seems to be what's going on...finally.
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