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Post by TCHOF on Jan 24, 2022 9:48:17 GMT -5
Daboll scares me. The guy's offenses have always been mediocre at best and then he gets Josh Allen and he's a hot coaching prospect. Hope they interview more people first. pretty easy to call plays when you have talent. How long will it take and how many more coaches will the Giants go through to rebuild this mess? The mob will go from praising, demanding an protecting their choice for coach one day and go into kill the coach mode the next. Team needs talent and besides the uniform this roster didn’t qualify as an NFL by seasons end imo. My God, you are a broken record. get over it - your husband is gone. And if his demise is entirely from the poor roster as you have contended over-and-over-and-over-and-over, he will surely be a hot commodity during this hiring cycle given all of the available job openings.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2022 9:49:08 GMT -5
I'm always weary of offensive coordinators coming from teams with great quarterbacks. The term your looking for is “leery”…. not weary.
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Post by Giggles on Jan 24, 2022 9:51:51 GMT -5
I'm always weary of offensive coordinators coming from teams with great quarterbacks. The term your looking for is “leery”…. not weary. Yes leery is what I meant.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 24, 2022 9:55:03 GMT -5
pretty easy to call plays when you have talent. How long will it take and how many more coaches will the Giants go through to rebuild this mess? The mob will go from praising, demanding an protecting their choice for coach one day and go into kill the coach mode the next. Team needs talent and besides the uniform this roster didn’t qualify as an NFL by seasons end imo. My God, you are a broken record. get over it - your husband is gone. And if his demise is entirely from the poor roster as you have contended over-and-over-and-over-and-over, he will surely be a hot commodity during this hiring cycle given all of the available job openings. you post like the girlfriend he dumped. Get over it.
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Post by FBomb on Jan 24, 2022 9:57:12 GMT -5
My God, you are a broken record. get over it - your husband is gone. And if his demise is entirely from the poor roster as you have contended over-and-over-and-over-and-over, he will surely be a hot commodity during this hiring cycle given all of the available job openings. you post like the girlfriend he dumped. Get over it. You're the one bringing up Judge and the mob. No one else did. Get over it. WLB
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 24, 2022 10:01:54 GMT -5
you post like the girlfriend he dumped. Get over it. You're the one bringing up Judge and the mob. No one else did. Get over it. WLB Never mentioned an individual coach. Learn to read.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 24, 2022 10:06:16 GMT -5
Daboll scares me. The guy's offenses have always been mediocre at best and then he gets Josh Allen and he's a hot coaching prospect. Hope they interview more people first. pretty easy to call plays when you have talent. How long will it take and how many more coaches will the Giants go through to rebuild this mess? The mob will go from praising, demanding an protecting their choice for coach one day and go into kill the coach mode the next. Team needs talent and besides the uniform this roster didn’t qualify as an NFL by seasons end imo. I love how, in your reality, the head coach has no say in shaping the roster.
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Post by straightrazorman on Jan 24, 2022 10:06:24 GMT -5
It's not just about calling plays. It's all about the scheme. The question is does Daboll bring in an offensive scheme that has helped Allen and the WR's and running backs thrive? Did he implement a scheme that fits his offensive unit's strengths? I have seen enough to answer that with a resounding yes. I don't think there is enough talent on this offense to fit any scheme. He's going from the penthouse to the outhouse. We'll see how he handles that if he gets the job. Schoen better make the right hire and Mara needs to stay out of the way. Now you're making sense. Allen was able to be developed because they had the players around him to make it work. who have we had?
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 24, 2022 10:10:18 GMT -5
who ever the Giants hire at HC it should be someone who can bring this team into the 21st century of pro football...
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Post by FBomb on Jan 24, 2022 10:11:16 GMT -5
who ever the Giants hire at HC it should be someone who can bring this team into the 21st century of pro football... This. We've been stuck in the leather helmet era for too long.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 24, 2022 10:13:46 GMT -5
Never mentioned an individual coach. Learn to read. It's exactly who you meant. We all know it. I realize you THINK you're smarter than everyone else but most of us know you're really not very bright at all. Normally, that wouldn't matter to me, but you're an annoying pompus asshole on top of being a dullard. Not a good combination. WLB He will be vindicated by all of the teams that need HC's who will be banging on Judge's door during this hiring cycle. Surely at least one of those teams knows that Judge is a great coach who was done in by a bad operation and a bad roster, right?
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Post by nygiantsfan1029 on Jan 24, 2022 10:14:11 GMT -5
"no reason"? Who's the better choice? I suspect we still have fans low key resisting the team going into the modern era that are afraid Daboll or an offensive nerd like Taylor will bring us into this era.. It isn’t a question of his offense that makes me weary of him. It is inexperience. If Schoen thinks he is the best man for the job you won’t hear another peep from me about it. You got people here worried that Daboll will only get hired because of the Buffalo connection. That doesn’t bother me there. People tend to go with who they know.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 24, 2022 10:14:15 GMT -5
pretty easy to call plays when you have talent. How long will it take and how many more coaches will the Giants go through to rebuild this mess? The mob will go from praising, demanding an protecting their choice for coach one day and go into kill the coach mode the next. Team needs talent and besides the uniform this roster didn’t qualify as an NFL by seasons end imo. I love how, in your reality, the head coach has no say in shaping the roster. you need to be reminded this team has been a disaster for a decade and the last coach inherited both the QB and HB? Did you miss 3 coaches ago Mac wanted to trade up for Mahomes? That Gettleman passed on Allen? That Gettleman sent scouts to four Herbert games and zero for Jones? He then drafts Jones b/c Herbert stayed in school? What’s going on in your head and what’s your reality?
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Post by FBomb on Jan 24, 2022 10:18:25 GMT -5
I love how, in your reality, the head coach has no say in shaping the roster. you need to be reminded this team has been a disaster for a decade and the last coach inherited both the QB and HB? Did you miss 3 coaches ago Mac wanted to trade up for Mahomes? That Gettleman passed on Allen? That Gettleman sent scouts to four Herbert games and zero for Jones? He then drafts Jones b/c Herbert stayed in school? What’s going on in your head and what’s your reality? You mean the same owner and GM that hired Joe Judge? Is that the one time they got things right?
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Post by jaymas on Jan 24, 2022 10:24:10 GMT -5
I love how, in your reality, the head coach has no say in shaping the roster. you need to be reminded this team has been a disaster for a decade and the last coach inherited both the QB and HB? Did you miss 3 coaches ago Mac wanted to trade up for Mahomes? That Gettleman passed on Allen? That Gettleman sent scouts to four Herbert games and zero for Jones? He then drafts Jones b/c Herbert stayed in school? What’s going on in your head and what’s your reality? What are you rambling on about? The head coach of the Giants has a huge say in personnel decisions. Tom Coughlin, Ben Mac, Pat Shurmur, Joe Judge, Jim Fassel, Bill Parcells, Dan Reeves, doesn't matter. They help shape the roster. The GM is in charge of our systemic evaluation of players (philosophies, process, documentation, information sharing, etc.). Pretending like all these coaches were just handed guys without significant clout or weigh-in isn't correct. I can't think of anything more overrated than "Ben McAdoo liked Mahomes." Nowhere is it documented that he "wanted to trade up." He said he "wants to get his f*ing hands on him." Who cares? Liking a guy vs. having the actual ability to trade up and get him happens dozens of times in every draft to a bevy of teams. It's a non-story. Giants liked Herbert, he stayed in school. Shurmur got his guy as the head coach of the Giants in Jones. Jones played well. An entirely new coaching staff came in that determined they liked Jones. Arizona set the precedent, new coaching staff wanted a new QB, they got him. If our new coaching staff felt that way, they could have beat the drum for Herbert in 2020 and drafted the guy. Didn't happen. Garrett got his LT in Thomas because he beat the drum and was our offensive coordinator (which looks like it was a good decision). Coaches have sway, the process is dynamic. There is a systemic problem with the Giants player evaulation and roster building. It's why we have a new GM to change all that. He's going to align with a head coach, and together, their respective decisions will shape the roster.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 24, 2022 10:28:20 GMT -5
you need to be reminded this team has been a disaster for a decade and the last coach inherited both the QB and HB? Did you miss 3 coaches ago Mac wanted to trade up for Mahomes? That Gettleman passed on Allen? That Gettleman sent scouts to four Herbert games and zero for Jones? He then drafts Jones b/c Herbert stayed in school? What’s going on in your head and what’s your reality? I can't think of anything more overrated than "Ben McAdoo liked Mahomes." Nowhere is it documented that he "wanted to trade up." He said he "wants to get his f*ing hands on him." Who cares? Liking a guy vs. having the actual ability to trade up and get him happens dozens of times in every draft to a bevy of teams. It's a non-story. www.bigblueview.com/2017/4/28/15479508/nfl-draft-rumors-ny-giants-patrick-mahomes-trade-chiefs-bills you don’t seem to follow this team to closely. Lot of sources reported the same interest. Hardly a ramble. They pick was in play and KC traded up from farther back than the Giants. In your head and your reality none of what i posted happened. Weak bro.
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Post by Roswell on Jan 24, 2022 10:28:58 GMT -5
Man, watching that Bills/Chiefs game last night just showed how far this team is away from being an actual contender, and how far we are away at the QB position from making this happen. I had a similar reaction but those two are the new Brady vs Manning. At this point, I'd settle for the Giants being a team in the mix and hope things break their way when push comes to shove in big games. They won 2 SBs without a Brady, a Rodgers, a Brees or a Peyton. So it can be done. I definitely feel bad for the AFC teams that are looking at trying to get to the SB vs those 2 QBs.
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Post by Roswell on Jan 24, 2022 10:31:16 GMT -5
Daboll scares me. The guy's offenses have always been mediocre at best and then he gets Josh Allen and he's a hot coaching prospect. Hope they interview more people first. pretty easy to call plays when you have talent. How long will it take and how many more coaches will the Giants go through to rebuild this mess? The mob will go from praising, demanding an protecting their choice for coach one day and go into kill the coach mode the next. Team needs talent and besides the uniform this roster didn’t qualify as an NFL by seasons end imo. Judge had plenty to do with building that team. Your giving him a complete pass is inaccurate. You need to let this one note symphony die on the vine.
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Post by FBomb on Jan 24, 2022 10:32:46 GMT -5
Man, watching that Bills/Chiefs game last night just showed how far this team is away from being an actual contender, and how far we are away at the QB position from making this happen. I had a similar reaction but those two are the new Brady vs Manning. At this point, I'd settle for the Giants being a team in the mix and hope things break their way when push comes to shove in big games. They won 2 SBs without a Brady, a Rodgers or a Peyton. So it can be done. I definitely feel bad for the AFC teams that are looking at trying to get to the SB vs those 2 QBs. Literally may have been the best playoff game for QB play ever. They were both amazing.
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Post by FBomb on Jan 24, 2022 10:35:10 GMT -5
Anyway. It's going to be Daboll. The sooner we get it done, the sooner we can do other things.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 24, 2022 10:35:42 GMT -5
you need to be reminded this team has been a disaster for a decade and the last coach inherited both the QB and HB? Did you miss 3 coaches ago Mac wanted to trade up for Mahomes? That Gettleman passed on Allen? That Gettleman sent scouts to four Herbert games and zero for Jones? He then drafts Jones b/c Herbert stayed in school? What’s going on in your head and what’s your reality? You mean the same owner and GM that hired Joe Judge? Is that the one time they got things right? may have got all four wrong but i think it’s really funny when people lose their shait when a practice squad QB and practice squad linemen can’t execute a simple play. Screaming/posting “we need kitchens” “a modern day playbook” and all these epic fail ideas as the emotions have clouded reality. The players stink and nobody has won with them for a decade.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 24, 2022 10:36:55 GMT -5
I had a similar reaction but those two are the new Brady vs Manning. At this point, I'd settle for the Giants being a team in the mix and hope things break their way when push comes to shove in big games. They won 2 SBs without a Brady, a Rodgers or a Peyton. So it can be done. I definitely feel bad for the AFC teams that are looking at trying to get to the SB vs those 2 QBs. Literally may have been the best playoff game for QB play ever. They were both amazing. Actually reminded me of the Fouts/Strock duel in 1981
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 24, 2022 10:37:42 GMT -5
pretty easy to call plays when you have talent. How long will it take and how many more coaches will the Giants go through to rebuild this mess? The mob will go from praising, demanding an protecting their choice for coach one day and go into kill the coach mode the next. Team needs talent and besides the uniform this roster didn’t qualify as an NFL by seasons end imo. Judge had plenty to do with building that team. Your giving him a complete pass is inaccurate. You need to let this one note symphony die on the vine. never gave him a pass, i’m just not stupid enough to think a different play call would result in better production from these awful players. Funny and hypocritical how so many kill a coach switched gears and want people who better evaluate talent. Wow, big 💡 discovery. Welcome to the light 👏
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Post by Roswell on Jan 24, 2022 10:41:20 GMT -5
Judge had plenty to do with building that team. Your giving him a complete pass is inaccurate. You need to let this one note symphony die on the vine. never gave him a pass, i’m just not stupid enough to think a different play call would result in better production from these awful players. Funny and hypocritical how so many kill a coach switched gears and want people who better evaluate talent. Wow, big 💡 discovery. Welcome to the light 👏 What we're saying, that you're not hearing for some reason, is that Judge played a big role in collecting these awful players that you blame for costing him his job. Plenty of blame to the GM, of course, but the HC got a lot of the players that he wanted and did nothing with them.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 24, 2022 10:44:12 GMT -5
I can't think of anything more overrated than "Ben McAdoo liked Mahomes." Nowhere is it documented that he "wanted to trade up." He said he "wants to get his f*ing hands on him." Who cares? Liking a guy vs. having the actual ability to trade up and get him happens dozens of times in every draft to a bevy of teams. It's a non-story. www.bigblueview.com/2017/4/28/15479508/nfl-draft-rumors-ny-giants-patrick-mahomes-trade-chiefs-bills you don’t seem to follow this team to closely. Lot of sources reported the same interest. Hardly a ramble. They pick was in play and KC traded up from farther back than the Giants. In your head and your reality none of what i posted happened. Weak bro. Literally, in the same article, there was someone else on the beat at the time that also had multiple sources saying "they in fact, did not try and trade up for Mahomes." The only real documentation is that Mac said "I'd love to get my f*ing hands on him." And that's come out more recently. It's also super laughable that anyone thinks that Ben McAdoo with the offense he pummeled into vanilla ice cream after Coughlin was gone would develop Mahomes the same way as Andy Reid and his staff. Ben McAdoo vs. one of the greatest head coaches and offensive minds in NFL history. Love that you ignored the other 95% of my response though regarding what we're actually talking about, which is the head coach having a pretty big say in how we build our rosters. Was DG the biggest problem? I think so, but pretending like Ben Mac, Pat Shurmur, and Joe Judge aren't culpable is wild.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 24, 2022 10:44:28 GMT -5
never gave him a pass, i’m just not stupid enough to think a different play call would result in better production from these awful players. Funny and hypocritical how so many kill a coach switched gears and want people who better evaluate talent. Wow, big 💡 discovery. Welcome to the light 👏 What we're saying, that you're not hearing for some reason, is that Judge played a big role in collecting these awful players that you blame for costing him his job. Plenty of blame to the GM, of course, but the HC got a lot of the players that he wanted and did nothing with them. Go look at the roster and see how many players were already here and then calculate the injuries. Lol, you post as if the HC put together this 53 man roster. Look again
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Post by FBomb on Jan 24, 2022 10:46:10 GMT -5
You mean the same owner and GM that hired Joe Judge? Is that the one time they got things right? may have got all four wrong but i think it’s really funny when people lose their shait when a practice squad QB and practice squad linemen can’t execute a simple play. Screaming/posting “we need kitchens” “a modern day playbook” and all these epic fail ideas as the emotions have clouded reality. The players stink and nobody has won with them for a decade. Ok. We get that. It's not like you haven't obsessed on it for months. Why can't you just move the **** on now? This thread had nothing to do with any of that. You inject your whiney tantrums into everything. We are fans of a football team that know nothing about running a football team. I don't know any more than you about it and vise versa. We come here to vent, celebrate and share ideas anyway. It's how message boards work. Sometimes we get lucky and guess correctly, but most of the time we don't. There really is no place for you to act the way you do. Bottom line...don't be a dick. It's not a hard thing. Lol...pun not intended😬
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Post by Roswell on Jan 24, 2022 10:46:36 GMT -5
What we're saying, that you're not hearing for some reason, is that Judge played a big role in collecting these awful players that you blame for costing him his job. Plenty of blame to the GM, of course, but the HC got a lot of the players that he wanted and did nothing with them. Go look at the roster and see how many players were already here and then calculate the injuries. Lol, you post as if the HC put together this 53 man roster. Look again In the words of Dr. Evil... "You just don't get it, do you Scott."
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Post by jaymas on Jan 24, 2022 10:48:07 GMT -5
What we're saying, that you're not hearing for some reason, is that Judge played a big role in collecting these awful players that you blame for costing him his job. Plenty of blame to the GM, of course, but the HC got a lot of the players that he wanted and did nothing with them. Go look at the roster and see how many players were already here and then calculate the injuries. Lol, you post as if the HC put together this 53 man roster. Look again The Giants offense was just not philosophically up to modern NFL standards. Judge agreed to Garrett and absolutely helped design the system (it's said Judge could coach any position, was also a WR coach). And you can't separate the head coach from major philosophies or systems. He was conservative, and the offense under his tutelage was behind. There's no denying that.
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Post by FBomb on Jan 24, 2022 10:54:54 GMT -5
Bottom line...don't be a dick. It's not a hard thing. Lol...pun not intended😬 Not that I care because I don't mind butting heads (no pun intended) but you tend to be a dick day in and day out also. I disagree, but perception is suggestive. I do have a tendency to go after people who act like dicks (yourself included) because someone disagrees with their football opinion. But you will never find a post like that from me. I treat people how they treat others.
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