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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 31, 2022 10:53:51 GMT -5
The Rangers are possibly overachieving yet their coach is asked about the performance and replies “I think it was awful,” he replied to a question about the game. “I’m not too happy.”.
Do the above in the NFL and the house would burn down.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 31, 2022 11:18:22 GMT -5
Interesting take because I felt the starters did not play/practice enough in the preseason. I felt like game 1 was approached like a final preseason game. Judge literally said he was approaching the first couple weeks as an extension of preseason...it was probably the biggest mistake he made. They should've easily started at least 3-1 even with the injuries to Barkley, Golly Day and Toney. And honestly, if Garrett had a 21st century playbook they probably should've beat Denver too. Of course Graham went all Perry Fewell to start the season too 🙄 The coaches were a shit show this year. Graham at least straightened his scheme out At the time I thought that message was a huge mistake as well.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 31, 2022 11:22:42 GMT -5
The way Judge talked about and approached the first couple weeks of this season was probably the thing I disliked about him the most, and it sounded absolutely ridiculous when he said it.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 31, 2022 12:14:38 GMT -5
I can only speak to what I saw. Jones could not use his legs effectively to throw or get himself out of trouble. I believe he sat out the next game. It was one of those things the led me to question Judge. Lawrence Tynes made a comment about Judge over working his team. No ex-player would just put that out there. The Giants had injury issues for sure as well. is the perception reality though? The team has been horrible so let’s go easier on them? They’re not even hitting. Every year it’s a different excuse. If we only got to know the player as a person we he would block better as a football player? We should talk more. Let’s chat. Warm blankets? We’re always dancing with emotions and rumors. Cut to the chase, the players stink.
I wasn't looking to make excuses for the lack of talent. The team that was assembled this year was built off the foundation that Judge and Gettleman built last year.
I think it's fair to question if Judge's training and practice methods helped or hurt this team.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 31, 2022 12:18:38 GMT -5
is the perception reality though? The team has been horrible so let’s go easier on them? They’re not even hitting. Every year it’s a different excuse. If we only got to know the player as a person we he would block better as a football player? We should talk more. Let’s chat. Warm blankets? We’re always dancing with emotions and rumors. Cut to the chase, the players stink.
I wasn't looking to make excuses for the lack of talent. The team that was assembled this year was built off the foundation that Judge and Gettleman built last year.
I think it's fair to question if Judge's training and practice methods helped or hurt this team.
Hill and Golden are clear examples of poor coaching. Judge and his staff were unable to put these guys in a position to where they could be effective, so they ended up being spare parts here, which led to them being traded. Went to other teams and immediately became solid contributors.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 31, 2022 12:19:57 GMT -5
I can only speak to what I saw. Jones could not use his legs effectively to throw or get himself out of trouble. I believe he sat out the next game. It was one of those things the led me to question Judge. Lawrence Tynes made a comment about Judge over working his team. No ex-player would just put that out there. The Giants had injury issues for sure as well. My personal opinion is the Field at Met Life needs to be replaced just too many injuries happen on that field that were "non-contact" injuries. I would like to amend my statement that working a player hard and playing injured and hurt are all different things. I think very few players are player without hurting but again I will say IMO JJ does not have the authority to make a player play injured. I can't see Ronnie Barnes letting that happen. RB can't stop a player from getting hurt he only helps them recover from it .He is considered the best in the NFL. The Giants have been through many different types of fields including the grass tray system which failed pretty miserably.
I can see seaming being an issue with the constant endzone changes but other than that I have no idea.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 31, 2022 12:26:26 GMT -5
I wasn't looking to make excuses for the lack of talent. The team that was assembled this year was built off the foundation that Judge and Gettleman built last year.
I think it's fair to question if Judge's training and practice methods helped or hurt this team.
Hill and Golden are clear examples of poor coaching. Judge and his staff were unable to put these guys in a position to where they could be effective, so they ended up being spare parts here, which led to them being traded. Went to other teams and immediately became solid contributors. that’s so off. Good lord, Williams was brought in for DE so Gettleman viewed Hill as expendable and traded him for a Center.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 31, 2022 12:31:13 GMT -5
is the perception reality though? The team has been horrible so let’s go easier on them? They’re not even hitting. Every year it’s a different excuse. If we only got to know the player as a person we he would block better as a football player? We should talk more. Let’s chat. Warm blankets? We’re always dancing with emotions and rumors. Cut to the chase, the players stink.
I wasn't looking to make excuses for the lack of talent. The team that was assembled this year was built off the foundation that Judge and Gettleman built last year.
I think it's fair to question if Judge's training and practice methods helped or hurt this team.
it’s Gettleman’s foundation. The guy was here for four years and had two coaches. He built nothing for Mac Shumur (edit) or Judge. Now the mess needs to be cleaned up.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 31, 2022 12:47:36 GMT -5
I wasn't looking to make excuses for the lack of talent. The team that was assembled this year was built off the foundation that Judge and Gettleman built last year.
I think it's fair to question if Judge's training and practice methods helped or hurt this team.
it’s Gettleman’s foundation. The guy was here for four years and had two coaches. He built nothing for Mac or Judge. Now the mess needs to be cleaned up. Gettelman wasn’t the GM for Mcadoo.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 31, 2022 13:20:36 GMT -5
it’s Gettleman’s foundation. The guy was here for four years and had two coaches. He built nothing for Mac or Judge. Now the mess needs to be cleaned up. Gettelman wasn’t the GM for Mcadoo. Ty, meant Shumur. Tough to keep track we change so often.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 31, 2022 13:30:05 GMT -5
I think that this story is a big nothing burger. The players weren't complaining about being overworked in the season at any time. Damn, why can't we just move forward instead of BS stories having us look back? Can they also let Joe Judge live and get another coaching job without further slander?
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Post by Parademon1 on Jan 31, 2022 13:49:43 GMT -5
I guess being "overworked' by Darth Judge has contributed to their 61-93 record since 2012? Stop with the BS "Overworked" excuse card, this team has sucked & been soft for the past 10yrs! Judge made them run extra laps...boo hoo hoo. Are these professional athletes who are paid to be in the best physical condition possible or bums off the street? The best conditioned teams will not be gassed in the 4th qt or OT. You play how you practice & you practice how you play. Today's players are babied enough as it is compared to 25-30yrs ago & some of you want them even more babied. And they're paid 20x more than players better than them were back in the day who had to do 2 a days with pads! We have a saying in the corps, the more you sweat in training, the less you'll bleed in war. The Giants going 10-23 under Judge had zero to do with his "overworking" them & more with just having a team full of bad players who lacked the talent to win games.
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Post by Providence on Jan 31, 2022 13:59:33 GMT -5
This is a common complaint behind many a failed coach. The Greg Schiano "drill sergeant" style of coaching never works in the NFL. You can't treat adults like college kids and try to earn respect as a head coach by working your players like dogs. Well said. I think this issue is massively misunderstood. When people complain about Judge working players too hard, it's not because NFL players are soft and can't hang (look at these guys bodies, what they endure, and what they can endure, do you REALLY think they are afraid of hard work?), it's more about them not being treated as grown men.
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Post by Parademon1 on Jan 31, 2022 14:12:48 GMT -5
This is a common complaint behind many a failed coach. The Greg Schiano "drill sergeant" style of coaching never works in the NFL. You can't treat adults like college kids and try to earn respect as a head coach by working your players like dogs. Well said. I think this issue is massively misunderstood. When people complain about Judge working players too hard, it's not because NFL players are soft and can't hang (look at these guys bodies, what they endure, and what they can endure, do you REALLY think they are afraid of hard work?), it's more about them not being treated as grown men. Dial 1800 waaaaaambulance. So you equate making football players run extra laps to not 'respecting" them as "grown" men? You mean the same "grown" men who committ "childish "taunting" penalties on a weekly basis or the same "grown" men who all run to the endzone after a 1st qt int & act like idiots for the camera? Or the same "grown" men who continually break the law on an almost weekly basis when not on the football field? Which "grown" men are you talking about? For the amount of $$ these "Grown" men get payed to play a child's game, they shouldn't be bitching or griping about anything that they are being paid to do & guess what, they are being 'paid" to run extra laps when they screw up in practice. What you screw up in practice, you'll screw up in games that count!
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 31, 2022 14:18:11 GMT -5
I wasn't looking to make excuses for the lack of talent. The team that was assembled this year was built off the foundation that Judge and Gettleman built last year.
I think it's fair to question if Judge's training and practice methods helped or hurt this team.
it’s Gettleman’s foundation. The guy was here for four years and had two coaches. He built nothing for Mac Shumur (edit) or Judge. Now the mess needs to be cleaned up.
I think we debated this before haven't we?
Shoen shared with us something Bill Parcells said to him which that he "better know what you want on your roster because coaches are going to come and go.
I've always argued that it's the GM's responsibility to provide the coaches with the best players to fit their scheme - the players they want, but I think my opinion has changed on that. The GM must build the team with the type of talent they feel is right for the organization.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 31, 2022 14:35:16 GMT -5
it’s Gettleman’s foundation. The guy was here for four years and had two coaches. He built nothing for Mac Shumur (edit) or Judge. Now the mess needs to be cleaned up.
I think we debated this before haven't we?
Shoen shared with us something Bill Parcells said to him which that he "better know what you want on your roster because coaches are going to come and go.
I've always argued that it's the GM's responsibility to provide the coaches with the best players to fit their scheme - the players they want, but I think my opinion has changed on that. The GM must build the team with the type of talent they feel is right for the organization.
+1 why did Gettleman change from a 4-3 and didn’t just focus on the OL? SMH 🤦♂️ Ugh, he had the DL and some linebackers. Just add to the OL. Nope
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 31, 2022 16:40:06 GMT -5
Gettelman wasn’t the GM for Mcadoo. Ty, meant Shumur. Tough to keep track we change so often. it's understandable
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 31, 2022 17:03:15 GMT -5
Hill and Golden are clear examples of poor coaching. Judge and his staff were unable to put these guys in a position to where they could be effective, so they ended up being spare parts here, which led to them being traded. Went to other teams and immediately became solid contributors. that’s so off. Good lord, Williams was brought in for DE so Gettleman viewed Hill as expendable and traded him for a Center. Gettlemagic acquired Williams in October 2019. Hill's snaps didn't go down significantly until your husband got here in 2020 and couldn't figure out what to do with him. He wasn't being used - that's why he was expendable prior to the 2021 season.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 31, 2022 17:27:50 GMT -5
that’s so off. Good lord, Williams was brought in for DE so Gettleman viewed Hill as expendable and traded him for a Center. Gettlemagic acquired Williams in October 2019. Hill's snaps didn't go down significantly until your husband got here in 2020 and couldn't figure out what to do with him. He wasn't being used - that's why he was expendable prior to the 2021 season. lol 😂
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 31, 2022 20:20:09 GMT -5
Gettlemagic acquired Williams in October 2019. Hill's snaps didn't go down significantly until your husband got here in 2020 and couldn't figure out what to do with him. He wasn't being used - that's why he was expendable prior to the 2021 season. lol 😂 View AttachmentDo you ever get tired of being made a fool of?
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 31, 2022 20:28:27 GMT -5
The Rangers are possibly overachieving yet their coach is asked about the performance and replies “I think it was awful,” he replied to a question about the game. “I’m not too happy.”. Do the above in the NFL and the house would burn down. You can literally knock someone out in the NHL and get penalty minutes instead of a suspension....totally different animal. Why do u think u can get away with that much violence in the NHL but not in football? I have a theory LMBAO
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 31, 2022 20:32:04 GMT -5
lol 😂 <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Do you ever get tired of being made a fool of? lol 😂 - your intelligence is off the charts
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 31, 2022 20:36:33 GMT -5
The Rangers are possibly overachieving yet their coach is asked about the performance and replies “I think it was awful,” he replied to a question about the game. “I’m not too happy.”. Do the above in the NFL and the house would burn down. You can literally knock someone out in the NHL and get penalty minutes instead of a suspension....totally different animal. Why do u think u can get away with that much violence in the NHL but not in football? Ever seen this one? Roy’s response
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 31, 2022 20:46:34 GMT -5
Do you ever get tired of being made a fool of? View Attachment lol 😂 - your intelligence is off the charts Guess that’s a no
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 31, 2022 21:07:54 GMT -5
My personal opinion is the Field at Met Life needs to be replaced just too many injuries happen on that field that were "non-contact" injuries. I would like to amend my statement that working a player hard and playing injured and hurt are all different things. I think very few players are player without hurting but again I will say IMO JJ does not have the authority to make a player play injured. I can't see Ronnie Barnes letting that happen. RB can't stop a player from getting hurt he only helps them recover from it .He is considered the best in the NFL. The Giants have been through many different types of fields including the grass tray system which failed pretty miserably.
I can see seaming being an issue with the constant endzone changes but other than that I have no idea.
Oh man, forgot all about the grass trays ….
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 31, 2022 21:29:29 GMT -5
The Giants have been through many different types of fields including the grass tray system which failed pretty miserably.
I can see seaming being an issue with the constant endzone changes but other than that I have no idea.
Oh man, forgot all about the grass trays …. Well at least they tried.
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Post by Roswell on Jan 31, 2022 22:16:56 GMT -5
I don’t think laps and hard practices led to more Giant injuries. I think that was just bad luck.
I think hard practices are great. I mean, how else could they prepare for all of those consecutive QB sneaks?
The Giants were a perfect storm of a bad roster coached by a bad head coach that suffered a bunch of ill timed injuries.
The mistake a few people make on this board is thinking that the GM was the only one responsible for the roster. Judge had plenty to do with the mess and as a result he is gonzo Alonzo. And BJ Hill and Golden are great examples of that.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 1, 2022 5:24:15 GMT -5
I don’t think laps and hard practices led to more Giant injuries. I think that was just bad luck. I think hard practices are great. I mean, how else could they prepare for all of those consecutive QB sneaks? The Giants were a perfect storm of a bad roster coached by a bad head coach that suffered a bunch of ill timed injuries. The mistake a few people make on this board is thinking that the GM was the only one responsible for the roster. Judge had plenty to do with the mess and as a result he is gonzo Alonzo. And BJ Hill and Golden are great examples of that. Exactly. Do you think it was Gettleman’s decision to have Nate Ebner on his roster? Or to carry 2 fullbacks? Or to draft a RB for special teams over Trey Smith in the 6th round? Most understand that while Judge had a bad roster (which he had a hand in) and a bad GM, he also contributed to this mess by being a bad coach.
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Post by te88 on Feb 1, 2022 7:12:13 GMT -5
I don’t think laps and hard practices led to more Giant injuries. I think that was just bad luck. I think hard practices are great. I mean, how else could they prepare for all of those consecutive QB sneaks? The Giants were a perfect storm of a bad roster coached by a bad head coach that suffered a bunch of ill timed injuries. The mistake a few people make on this board is thinking that the GM was the only one responsible for the roster. Judge had plenty to do with the mess and as a result he is gonzo Alonzo. And BJ Hill and Golden are great examples of that. Exactly. Do you think it was Gettleman’s decision to have Nate Ebner on his roster? Or to carry 2 fullbacks? Or to draft a RB for special teams over Trey Smith in the 6th round? Most understand that while Judge had a bad roster (which he had a hand in) and a bad GM, he also contributed to this mess by being a bad coach. Yes the idea that Judge “got screwed” is nothing but a myth. Chance to succeed was not good because the organization is so bad but it’s not like he brought anything to the table to counteract that. He made plenty of independent errors in all phases of being a HC.
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Post by nick030567 on Feb 1, 2022 8:11:15 GMT -5
The Rangers are possibly overachieving yet their coach is asked about the performance and replies “I think it was awful,” he replied to a question about the game. “I’m not too happy.”. Do the above in the NFL and the house would burn down. It's crazy how politicized the NFL has become over the last 10-15 years. Everything has to be full of shit and PC. PC can be so corporate and full of false virtue. It's lifeless and fake It wasn't long that we saw those types of honest quotes from NFL coaches. I don't see that quote as harsh at all.
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