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Post by allnygin on Jan 31, 2022 15:18:06 GMT -5
Now, There is a ton about DJ's game I do not like, but there are things I do. If we're being honest I think Judge really handicapped Jones by trying to limit turnovers, and yes, while that worked and the turnovers went down a bit, so did his TDs ... I would rather we go another direction at QB after this season rathre then shelll out a boatload of money for Jones on a second contract, but maybe Darboll can bring out the best in Jones... Well, see. Its ceratinyl his best shot and will be up to DJ next season. kids going to really have to step up . Here's the thing with Jones ... Every QB needs guys to make plays and he has literally no one around him helping him.. I'm not talking about the line , because there have been more than enough occasions where he has plenty of time I'm talking about TE, RB , and WR specifically.. I'm far from a Jones guy , and I think he's an injury prone , mistake ridden QB but there's not a single guy to make a play for him .. these successful QBs all have guys that help them .. you don't even realize how bad our guys are until you watch these teams in the playoffs with guys just making huge runs and big catches for Tds , and guys breaking tackles and getting extra yards.. our starters wouldn't even be on the field on these teams .. If this is gonna be Jones last year I would like to see him with some players that actually do what they are supposed to and not just cash checks .. nah I think that excuse needs to be put to bed. There are weapons on this team, they need to stay healthy and need better playcalling better QB play and some better oline play. That all starts with coaching. There's decent weapons' on this offense. More work will need to be done this offseason to get a good TE and maybe even another reciver, but there's enough for him to work with. |
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Post by GameTime on Jan 31, 2022 15:33:16 GMT -5
this may be Jones' best and last chance the good thing is that Jones knows this too Pretty sure this was said before last season too. three years does seem to be the mark. Jones is lucky , in a way, there is a regime change and also the market for QBs in the draft is very light. Prior to last season I thought things overall would be much better. I did not for see the disaster that was the 2021 season. Jones was not goo, hurt etc. The team and staff as a whole was terrible as well. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 31, 2022 15:39:55 GMT -5
Here's the thing with Jones ... Every QB needs guys to make plays and he has literally no one around him helping him.. I'm not talking about the line , because there have been more than enough occasions where he has plenty of time I'm talking about TE, RB , and WR specifically.. I'm far from a Jones guy , and I think he's an injury prone , mistake ridden QB but there's not a single guy to make a play for him .. these successful QBs all have guys that help them .. you don't even realize how bad our guys are until you watch these teams in the playoffs with guys just making huge runs and big catches for Tds , and guys breaking tackles and getting extra yards.. our starters wouldn't even be on the field on these teams .. If this is gonna be Jones last year I would like to see him with some players that actually do what they are supposed to and not just cash checks .. nah I think that excuse needs to be put to bed. There are weapons on this team, they need to stay healthy and need better playcalling better QB play and some better oline play. That all starts with coaching. There's decent weapons' on this offense. More work will need to be done this offseason to get a good TE and maybe even another reciver, but there's enough for him to work with. Since Jones has been drafted, the Giants have “tried” to help him out. They signed Golladay to a huge contract, they picked up Barkley’s 5th year option. The drafted a left tackle 4th overall. They drafted a right tackle in the 3rd round. They extended Shepard, they signed Rudolph, they avoided like a plague Parsons and Slater to draft Toney. What more does this ******* kid need to be a pedestrian quarterback in this league? Again, another offseason where the Giants faithful give us a song and dance about Jones and how they all let him down. I’ve never seen a quarterback who has done so little, get so much praise when it’s not warranted. Dave Brown must be kicking his parents as we speak, in how he was born in a different decade. |
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Post by allnygin on Jan 31, 2022 15:42:25 GMT -5
nah I think that excuse needs to be put to bed. There are weapons on this team, they need to stay healthy and need better playcalling better QB play and some better oline play. That all starts with coaching. There's decent weapons' on this offense. More work will need to be done this offseason to get a good TE and maybe even another reciver, but there's enough for him to work with. Since Jones has been drafted, the Giants have “tried” to help him out. They signed Golladay to a huge contract, they picked up Barkley’s 5th year option. The drafted a left tackle 4th overall. They drafted a right tackle in the 3rd round. They extended Shepard, they signed Rudolph, they avoided like a plague Parsons and Slater to draft Toney. What more does this ******* kid need to be a pedestrian quarterback in this league? Again, another offseason where the Giants faithful give us a song and dance about Jones and how they all let him down. I’ve never seen a quarterback who has done so little, get so much praise when it’s not warranted. Dave Brown must be kicking his parents as we speak, in how he was born in a different decade. You see Jimmy G last night - that's what we have to look forward to with Danny Dimes.. at best. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 31, 2022 15:46:03 GMT -5
Since Jones has been drafted, the Giants have “tried” to help him out. They signed Golladay to a huge contract, they picked up Barkley’s 5th year option. The drafted a left tackle 4th overall. They drafted a right tackle in the 3rd round. They extended Shepard, they signed Rudolph, they avoided like a plague Parsons and Slater to draft Toney. What more does this ******* kid need to be a pedestrian quarterback in this league? Again, another offseason where the Giants faithful give us a song and dance about Jones and how they all let him down. I’ve never seen a quarterback who has done so little, get so much praise when it’s not warranted. Dave Brown must be kicking his parents as we speak, in how he was born in a different decade. You see Jimmy G last night - that's what we have to look forward to with Danny Dimes.. at best. Garoppolo at least wins. Jones, only heard about it. |
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Post by allnygin on Jan 31, 2022 15:46:24 GMT -5
You see Jimmy G last night - that's what we have to look forward to with Danny Dimes.. at best. Garoppolo at least wins. Jones, only heard about it. true |
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Post by GameTime on Jan 31, 2022 15:51:59 GMT -5
nah I think that excuse needs to be put to bed. There are weapons on this team, they need to stay healthy and need better playcalling better QB play and some better oline play. That all starts with coaching. There's decent weapons' on this offense. More work will need to be done this offseason to get a good TE and maybe even another reciver, but there's enough for him to work with. Since Jones has been drafted, the Giants have “tried” to help him out. They signed Golladay to a huge contract, they picked up Barkley’s 5th year option. The drafted a left tackle 4th overall. They drafted a right tackle in the 3rd round. They extended Shepard, they signed Rudolph, they avoided like a plague Parsons and Slater to draft Toney. What more does this ******* kid need to be a pedestrian quarterback in this league? Again, another offseason where the Giants faithful give us a song and dance about Jones and how they all let him down. I’ve never seen a quarterback who has done so little, get so much praise when it’s not warranted. Dave Brown must be kicking his parents as we speak, in how he was born in a different decade. they have tried but like much of what they have done they have failed. Like Mara said they have done all the could to screw this kid up. I dont think Jones will ever be a great NFL QB but he it looks like he is getting a 4th shot at it. This off season he will have competition though. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 31, 2022 15:53:20 GMT -5
Since Jones has been drafted, the Giants have “tried” to help him out. They signed Golladay to a huge contract, they picked up Barkley’s 5th year option. The drafted a left tackle 4th overall. They drafted a right tackle in the 3rd round. They extended Shepard, they signed Rudolph, they avoided like a plague Parsons and Slater to draft Toney. What more does this ******* kid need to be a pedestrian quarterback in this league? Again, another offseason where the Giants faithful give us a song and dance about Jones and how they all let him down. I’ve never seen a quarterback who has done so little, get so much praise when it’s not warranted. Dave Brown must be kicking his parents as we speak, in how he was born in a different decade. they have tried but like much of what they have done they have failed. Like Mara said they have done all the could to screw this kid up. I dont think Jones will ever be a great NFL QB but he it looks like he is getting a 4th shot at it. This off season he will have competition though. I was about to say other than Thomas how many of those moves actually worked out even half as planned? |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 31, 2022 15:54:12 GMT -5
Clearly, Schoen and Daboll are fans of Daniel Jones. Doesn't even seem to be a question in their minds about him being the starter, they're talking as if that's already assumed.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 31, 2022 15:55:43 GMT -5
Clearly, Schoen and Daboll are fans of Daniel Jones. Doesn't even seem to be a question in their minds about him being the starter, they're talking as if that's already assumed. Of course he’s penciled in as the starter right now. He’s the only quarterback under contract.. |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 31, 2022 16:15:11 GMT -5
Another offseason where we continue to put rims on a pinto. LOL who were those fancy offensive line and WR rims from last season that you are excited about for the 2022-23 season? |
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Post by allnygin on Jan 31, 2022 16:19:05 GMT -5
Another offseason where we continue to put rims on a pinto. LOL who were those fancy offensive line and WR rims from last season that you are excited about for the 2022-23 season? Kenny Golloday is not a bad receiver, shitty contract, hell yeah, bad player **** no. Kadarios toney good player, Saquan barkley qood player, Sheppard ( who most likely won't be back, but was a solid player), even Slayton he's a good number 3 WR.. Now, they need to stay healthy that's the thing. Quit acting like this team doesn't have players worth a shit jsut bc the QB you're extremely biased over hasn't worked out. It's tiring. We all know Jones has had it rough, but quit with the bs. |
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 31, 2022 16:20:33 GMT -5
Since Jones has been drafted, the Giants have “tried” to help him out. They signed Golladay to a huge contract, they picked up Barkley’s 5th year option. The drafted a left tackle 4th overall. They drafted a right tackle in the 3rd round. They extended Shepard, they signed Rudolph, they avoided like a plague Parsons and Slater to draft Toney. What more does this ******* kid need to be a pedestrian quarterback in this league? Again, another offseason where the Giants faithful give us a song and dance about Jones and how they all let him down. I’ve never seen a quarterback who has done so little, get so much praise when it’s not warranted. Dave Brown must be kicking his parents as we speak, in how he was born in a different decade. A lot of people have been saying this, but it's literally fallen on deaf ears. There's only so many times you can switch OCs & HCs, before you eventually have to acknowledge reality that he isn't a good QB.  |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 31, 2022 16:28:09 GMT -5
nah I think that excuse needs to be put to bed. There are weapons on this team, they need to stay healthy and need better playcalling better QB play and some better oline play. That all starts with coaching. There's decent weapons' on this offense. More work will need to be done this offseason to get a good TE and maybe even another reciver, but there's enough for him to work with. Since Jones has been drafted, the Giants have “tried” to help him out. They signed Golladay to a huge contract, they picked up Barkley’s 5th year option. The drafted a left tackle 4th overall. They drafted a right tackle in the 3rd round. They extended Shepard, they signed Rudolph, they avoided like a plague Parsons and Slater to draft Toney. What more does this ******* kid need to be a pedestrian quarterback in this league? Again, another offseason where the Giants faithful give us a song and dance about Jones and how they all let him down. I’ve never seen a quarterback who has done so little, get so much praise when it’s not warranted. Dave Brown must be kicking his parents as we speak, in how he was born in a different decade. Other than Andrew Thomas how many of these great players would even start on the Rams or Bengals? |
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Post by GameTime on Jan 31, 2022 16:29:12 GMT -5
Since Jones has been drafted, the Giants have “tried” to help him out. They signed Golladay to a huge contract, they picked up Barkley’s 5th year option. The drafted a left tackle 4th overall. They drafted a right tackle in the 3rd round. They extended Shepard, they signed Rudolph, they avoided like a plague Parsons and Slater to draft Toney. What more does this ******* kid need to be a pedestrian quarterback in this league? Again, another offseason where the Giants faithful give us a song and dance about Jones and how they all let him down. I’ve never seen a quarterback who has done so little, get so much praise when it’s not warranted. Dave Brown must be kicking his parents as we speak, in how he was born in a different decade. Other than Andrew Thomas how many of these great players would even start on the Rams or Bengals? None including Jones....lol |
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Post by GameTime on Jan 31, 2022 16:30:13 GMT -5
Since Jones has been drafted, the Giants have “tried” to help him out. They signed Golladay to a huge contract, they picked up Barkley’s 5th year option. The drafted a left tackle 4th overall. They drafted a right tackle in the 3rd round. They extended Shepard, they signed Rudolph, they avoided like a plague Parsons and Slater to draft Toney. What more does this ******* kid need to be a pedestrian quarterback in this league? Again, another offseason where the Giants faithful give us a song and dance about Jones and how they all let him down. I’ve never seen a quarterback who has done so little, get so much praise when it’s not warranted. Dave Brown must be kicking his parents as we speak, in how he was born in a different decade. A lot of people have been saying this, but it's literally fallen on deaf ears. There's only so many times you can switch OCs & HCs, before you eventually have to acknowledge reality that he isn't a good QB. poor coaches and Jones hasnt done well at all but he is not the reason they got fired. Not ever close. |
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Post by allnygin on Jan 31, 2022 16:32:05 GMT -5
Since Jones has been drafted, the Giants have “tried” to help him out. They signed Golladay to a huge contract, they picked up Barkley’s 5th year option. The drafted a left tackle 4th overall. They drafted a right tackle in the 3rd round. They extended Shepard, they signed Rudolph, they avoided like a plague Parsons and Slater to draft Toney. What more does this ******* kid need to be a pedestrian quarterback in this league? Again, another offseason where the Giants faithful give us a song and dance about Jones and how they all let him down. I’ve never seen a quarterback who has done so little, get so much praise when it’s not warranted. Dave Brown must be kicking his parents as we speak, in how he was born in a different decade. Other than Andrew Thomas how many of these great players would even start on the Rams or Bengals? LMAO the entires bengals offensive line is about as close to the giants as you can get.. ITS HORRIBLE? Did you watch burrow last night, every time he dropped back he was under pressure. Sorry, not running with these excuses anymore. Win some football or find a new team, that goes for every player on this team. |
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Post by Tyrell on Jan 31, 2022 16:45:37 GMT -5
if you can teach pocket awareness and scanning the entire field, then there's some hope...?
If these things are purely instinctual, then jones is what he is.
im over worrying about it, hes gonna shock the world and succeed, or hes going to be meh and i think schoen and daboll would move on; these guys arent gonna stand around for another 3 years while jones sucks. i know i know we're so programmed now to expect the worst from our giants, but i think the new guys will make the right move concerning jones.
daboll was just on the fan, and while hes optimistic about jones, hes also noncommittal about the long term with him.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 31, 2022 16:47:30 GMT -5
if you can teach pocket awareness and scanning the entire field, then there's some hope...? If these things are purely instinctual, then jones is what he is. im over worrying about it, hes gonna shock the world and succeed, or hes going to be meh and i think schoen and daboll would move on; these guys arent gonna stand around for another 3 years while jones sucks. i know i know we're so programmed now to expect the worst from our giants, but i think the new guys will make the right move concerning jones. daboll was just on the fan, and while hes optimistic about jones, hes also noncommittal about the long term with him. not so sure you can.... I think he is what he is. Can he do better with a better overall team and coaching? Sure he can. But those two flaws are huge and will be his downfall IMO |
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Post by Nick6475 on Jan 31, 2022 16:49:34 GMT -5
To be fair, I do see this as way more Gettleman's fault than Jones. Jones has never had an OL that was even close to average and every "weapon" that DG tried to get for him has had consistent injury issues. That does not mean Jones is blameless, but he was not done any favors from good ole DG.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 31, 2022 16:54:44 GMT -5
Another offseason where we continue to put rims on a pinto. LOL who were those fancy offensive line and WR rims from last season that you are excited about for the 2022-23 season? We have no rims on this team. Just hubcaps and a broken down muffler. Since Jones has been drafted, the Giants have “tried” to help him out. They signed Golladay to a huge contract, they picked up Barkley’s 5th year option. The drafted a left tackle 4th overall. They drafted a right tackle in the 3rd round. They extended Shepard, they signed Rudolph, they avoided like a plague Parsons and Slater to draft Toney. What more does this ******* kid need to be a pedestrian quarterback in this league? Again, another offseason where the Giants faithful give us a song and dance about Jones and how they all let him down. I’ve never seen a quarterback who has done so little, get so much praise when it’s not warranted. Dave Brown must be kicking his parents as we speak, in how he was born in a different decade. Other than Andrew Thomas how many of these great players would even start on the Rams or Bengals? Who said any of these players were great? Sure as shit wasn’t me, my point is the Giants made a calculated effort to build around the lead weight we have at quarterback. Since we’re asking hypothetical questions. What team in the playoffs would Jones start for? Let me rephrase that, how many teams on the Northern seaboard would Jones start for ? |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 31, 2022 16:58:59 GMT -5
Other than Andrew Thomas how many of these great players would even start on the Rams or Bengals? None including Jones....lol That is a valid answer but lets not pretend that the Giants surrounded DJ with a bunch of all pro weapons. We could not trade any or all of 6 of our WR for 1 Jamar Chase or Cooper Kuup. |
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 31, 2022 17:01:57 GMT -5
If Schoen and Daboll were serious about going through the tape, they're going to find a lot of alarming things in there. I suspect they'll want to move on unless there's interference from Mara. I think what seems to be lost here is this: move on to who? If there is no QB in the draft pegged by them as a franchise QB, then there's no option there. And I can't see a FA QB who is a) affordable, b) won't cost multiple high draft picks to get and c) is a significant, long term upgrade. When there are no real options, what you have seems like a good choice. unfortunately the draft will be here before Jones is able to show if he's healthy enough so our hands will be tied as to drafting a QB .. |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 31, 2022 17:02:04 GMT -5
LOL who were those fancy offensive line and WR rims from last season that you are excited about for the 2022-23 season? We have no rims on this team. Just hubcaps and a broken down muffler. Other than Andrew Thomas how many of these great players would even start on the Rams or Bengals? Who said any of these players were great? Sure as shit wasn’t me, my point is the Giants made a calculated effort to build around the lead weight we have at quarterback. Since we’re asking hypothetical questions. What team in the playoffs would Jones start for? Let me rephrase that, how many teams on the Northern seaboard would Jones start for ? We will see next season but I would rather have DJ than Hurts, Tannehill, and Garrapolo. I'm not sure what Kyler Muarry will be. I do not think he would have been 1/2 the QB if he was on our Giants. |
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Post by GameTime on Jan 31, 2022 17:02:56 GMT -5
None including Jones....lol That is a valid answer but lets not pretend that the Giants surrounded DJ with a bunch of all pro weapons. We could not trade any or all of 6 of our WR for 1 Jamar Chase or Cooper Kuup. Doesnt matter because Jones gets hurt and misses too many games. Also he cant manage the pocket or see the field very well. I like Jones and was so hoping he would be the guy. He just has two major fundamental flaws that he may not over come. If he was on the Bengals or the Rams he would not have had as much success as Burrow or Stafford. You see the Bengals OL? Burrow is a miracle worker some how. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 31, 2022 17:05:59 GMT -5
None including Jones....lol That is a valid answer but lets not pretend that the Giants surrounded DJ with a bunch of all pro weapons. We could not trade any or all of 6 of our WR for 1 Jamar Chase or Cooper Kuup. You do realize Stafford elevated Cooper. Goff couldn't get those numbers out of Cooper. What makes you think DJ could with one fifth of the oline that the Rams have? |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 31, 2022 17:06:04 GMT -5
Other than Andrew Thomas how many of these great players would even start on the Rams or Bengals? LMAO the entires bengals offensive line is about as close to the giants as you can get.. ITS HORRIBLE? Did you watch burrow last night, every time he dropped back he was under pressure. Sorry, not running with these excuses anymore. Win some football or find a new team, that goes for every player on this team. The Bengals line is bad. The rest of their weapons are outstanding. Joe Burrow is great. Would he be as great throwing to the guys on our team? Or would he prefer his guys who catch the ball 5 yards away and end up with 40 yard gains? Would you trade Chase for KT? Would you trade Higgens for KG? Would you trade Boyd for whoever our 3rd WR is? |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 31, 2022 17:07:41 GMT -5
That is a valid answer but lets not pretend that the Giants surrounded DJ with a bunch of all pro weapons. We could not trade any or all of 6 of our WR for 1 Jamar Chase or Cooper Kuup. Doesnt matter because Jones gets hurt and misses too many games. Also he cant manage the pocket or see the field very well. I like Jones and was so hoping he would be the guy. He just has two major fundamental flaws that he may not over come. If he was on the Bengals or the Rams he would not have had as much success as Burrow or Stafford. You see the Bengals OL? Burrow is a miracle worker some how. Jones does not have to be Burrow. Was Eli as good as Peyton, Brady, or Rodgers? The Bengals have a poor offensive line. They also have outstanding skill players which we do not have. Jamar Chase is insane. |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 31, 2022 17:10:01 GMT -5
That is a valid answer but lets not pretend that the Giants surrounded DJ with a bunch of all pro weapons. We could not trade any or all of 6 of our WR for 1 Jamar Chase or Cooper Kuup. You do realize Stafford elevated Cooper. Goff couldn't get those numbers out of Cooper. What makes you think DJ could with one fifth of the oline that the Rams have? Cooper had an amazing season. I wish we had a Cooper to see how he would do with us. I wish we had a Jamar Chase to see how he would do with us. We don't we were playing guys that would not even play on the Rams or Bengals. |
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 31, 2022 17:11:36 GMT -5
if you can teach pocket awareness and scanning the entire field, then there's some hope...? If these things are purely instinctual, then jones is what he is. im over worrying about it, hes gonna shock the world and succeed, or hes going to be meh and i think schoen and daboll would move on; these guys arent gonna stand around for another 3 years while jones sucks. i know i know we're so programmed now to expect the worst from our giants, but i think the new guys will make the right move concerning jones. daboll was just on the fan, and while hes optimistic about jones, hes also noncommittal about the long term with him. not so sure you can.... I think he is what he is. Can he do better with a better overall team and coaching? Sure he can. But those two flaws are huge and will be his downfall IMO I doubt the new GM and HC will want to have their careers tied to a proven loser and get fired in 2 years because D Jones sucked so bad they couldn't fix his problems.... |
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