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Post by GameTime on Jan 31, 2022 17:13:55 GMT -5
Doesnt matter because Jones gets hurt and misses too many games. Also he cant manage the pocket or see the field very well. I like Jones and was so hoping he would be the guy. He just has two major fundamental flaws that he may not over come. If he was on the Bengals or the Rams he would not have had as much success as Burrow or Stafford. You see the Bengals OL? Burrow is a miracle worker some how. Jones does not have to be Burrow. Was Eli as good as Peyton, Brady, or Rodgers? The Bengals have a poor offensive line. They also have outstanding skill players which we do not have. Jamar Chase is insane. Bottom line my friend is Jones is far away from even being "Ryan Tannehill". Jones has not been successful because of Jones himself. I agree team around him as sucked but so has he. His two major flaws have almost nothing to do with the roster around him
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Post by GameTime on Jan 31, 2022 17:14:53 GMT -5
not so sure you can.... I think he is what he is. Can he do better with a better overall team and coaching? Sure he can. But those two flaws are huge and will be his downfall IMO I doubt the new GM and HC will want to have their careers tied to a proven loser and get fired in 2 years because D Jones sucked so bad they couldn't fix his problems.... they will not waste a lot of time on Jones. Thats for sure. They have to build a team regardless of the QB
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 31, 2022 17:35:10 GMT -5
Jones does not have to be Burrow. Was Eli as good as Peyton, Brady, or Rodgers? The Bengals have a poor offensive line. They also have outstanding skill players which we do not have. Jamar Chase is insane. Bottom line my friend is Jones is far away from even being "Ryan Tannehill". Jones has not been successful because of Jones himself. I agree team around him as sucked but so has he. His two major flaws have almost nothing to do with the roster around him He did not suck as a rookie. I do not think he sucked this season either. We can not look at the QB in a vacuum ignoring his line and receivers. He had 3 games under a 90 qb rating. He had 8 games at a 90 or above QB rating. I think that is amazing given what he had to work with.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 31, 2022 17:43:19 GMT -5
Bottom line my friend is Jones is far away from even being "Ryan Tannehill". Jones has not been successful because of Jones himself. I agree team around him as sucked but so has he. His two major flaws have almost nothing to do with the roster around him He did not suck as a rookie. I do not think he sucked this season either. We can not look at the QB in a vacuum ignoring his line and receivers. He had 3 games under a 90 qb rating. He had 8 games at a 90 or above QB rating. I think that is amazing given what he had to work with. dont care about his rookie season at this point. I am not trying to convince you what I see in Jones is right. You wont convince he didnt suck this past season. He has two fundamental flaws that you can look at it in a vacuum IMO.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 31, 2022 17:48:36 GMT -5
He did not suck as a rookie. I do not think he sucked this season either. We can not look at the QB in a vacuum ignoring his line and receivers. He had 3 games under a 90 qb rating. He had 8 games at a 90 or above QB rating. I think that is amazing given what he had to work with. dont care about his rookie season at this point. I am not trying to convince you what I see in Jones is right. You wont convince he didnt suck this past season. He has two fundamental flaws that you can look at it in a vacuum IMO. Well he will have my full support since he is our guy. If he was a bad guy or lacking in effort I might not support him but I will wait and see how next season goes before making any conclusions on DJ since he is our starter.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 31, 2022 17:50:15 GMT -5
dont care about his rookie season at this point. I am not trying to convince you what I see in Jones is right. You wont convince he didnt suck this past season. He has two fundamental flaws that you can look at it in a vacuum IMO. Well he will have my full support since he is our guy. If he was a bad guy or lacking in effort I might not support him but I will wait and see how next season goes before making any conclusions on DJ since he is our starter. He's got my support too. I just have less confidence in him then I had in the past.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 31, 2022 18:04:04 GMT -5
Well he will have my full support since he is our guy. If he was a bad guy or lacking in effort I might not support him but I will wait and see how next season goes before making any conclusions on DJ since he is our starter. He's got my support too. I just have less confidence in him then I had in the past. That is fair and normal given the teams last 2 seasons. I'm glad he has your support. Sometimes hate (not you) gets so strong that people rather their own players fail. I was like that years ago with James Patrick 30 years ago. Now I realize how silly it was.
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Post by Nick6475 on Jan 31, 2022 18:18:02 GMT -5
He's got my support too. I just have less confidence in him then I had in the past. That is fair and normal given the teams last 2 seasons. I'm glad he has your support. Sometimes hate (not you) gets so strong that people rather their own players fail. I was like that years ago with James Patrick 30 years ago. Now I realize how silly it was. I can't speak for everyone on here, but I would assume most would much rather see him succeed then go through all of this crappiness. Just at some point you have to pull the plug and move on.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 31, 2022 18:25:28 GMT -5
That is fair and normal given the teams last 2 seasons. I'm glad he has your support. Sometimes hate (not you) gets so strong that people rather their own players fail. I was like that years ago with James Patrick 30 years ago. Now I realize how silly it was. I can't speak for everyone on here, but I would assume most would much rather see him succeed then go through all of this crappiness. Just at some point you have to pull the plug and move on. I think most would with just a few possible exceptions which I understand. We all like to be right.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 31, 2022 18:34:26 GMT -5
Since Jones has been drafted, the Giants have “tried” to help him out. They signed Golladay to a huge contract, they picked up Barkley’s 5th year option. The drafted a left tackle 4th overall. They drafted a right tackle in the 3rd round. They extended Shepard, they signed Rudolph, they avoided like a plague Parsons and Slater to draft Toney. What more does this ******* kid need to be a pedestrian quarterback in this league? Again, another offseason where the Giants faithful give us a song and dance about Jones and how they all let him down. I’ve never seen a quarterback who has done so little, get so much praise when it’s not warranted. Dave Brown must be kicking his parents as we speak, in how he was born in a different decade. A lot of people have been saying this, but it's literally fallen on deaf ears. There's only so many times you can switch OCs & HCs, before you eventually have to acknowledge reality that he isn't a good QB. Lol. I don't know if he's a good QB, and neither do you. That's the problem. Name a modern QB who has gone through 3 different HCs and 2 GMs in 4 years? Behind possibly the worst OL and injuries I've ever seen. Whatever you think of JM, he's right when he said they did everything they could to screw him up. And it really doesn't matter for 2022. We aren't giving up high draft picks for a trade or to move up into a weak draft class. Tell me what you would do at QB in 2022?
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 31, 2022 19:24:11 GMT -5
FYI this "new system he has to learn again " this time is going to be a non factor Dabol has already took Jones to go think about concepts and plays he likes and is comfortable and going all the way back to Duke... Duke used a similar passing offense that Dabol has been involved with his entire career (Erheart Perkins with air raid concepts )
This is not a new concept Broncos did it when Peyton joined then Bucs with Brady Stafford with LA Hell even rookies...they brought a lot of the Joe Brady concepts from LSU with Burrow (that McVay tree uses a lot of hybrid WCO /option route styles anyway )
So the overreacting about people afraid they are building long term around Jones? If we have yo get a new guy and he is a rookie you know we will add elements that guy prefers as well..
This offense is going to be an amoeba like one in that it will morph from year to year depending on personal and qb...
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Post by fifthavephil on Jan 31, 2022 19:30:17 GMT -5
FYI this "new system he has to learn again " this time is going to be a non factor Dabol has already took Jones to go think about concepts and plays he likes and is comfortable and going all the way back to Duke... Duke used a similar passing offense that Dabol has been involved with his entire career (Erheart Perkins with air raid concepts ) This is not a new concept Broncos did it when Peyton joined then Bucs with Brady Stafford with LA Hell even rookies...they brought a lot of the Joe Brady concepts from LSU with Burrow (that McVay tree uses a lot of hybrid WCO /option route styles anyway ) So the overreacting about people afraid they are building long term around Jones? If we have yo get a new guy and he is a rookie you know we will add elements that guy prefers as well.. This offense is going to be an amoeba like one in that it will morph from year to year depending on personal and qb... You think Daboll would consider Joe Brady as OC ?
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 31, 2022 19:31:31 GMT -5
Bottom line my friend is Jones is far away from even being "Ryan Tannehill". Jones has not been successful because of Jones himself. I agree team around him as sucked but so has he. His two major flaws have almost nothing to do with the roster around him He did not suck as a rookie. I do not think he sucked this season either. We can not look at the QB in a vacuum ignoring his line and receivers. He had 3 games under a 90 qb rating. He had 8 games at a 90 or above QB rating. I think that is amazing given what he had to work with. lol, wow. Not that he’s Mahomes who Mac wanted or Allen who Gettleman passed on . . . or is Hebert who Gettleman scouted non-stop yet stayed in school . . . but, yes we would all be open to working with Daniel Jones for a five year contract.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 31, 2022 19:38:12 GMT -5
He did not suck as a rookie. I do not think he sucked this season either. We can not look at the QB in a vacuum ignoring his line and receivers. He had 3 games under a 90 qb rating. He had 8 games at a 90 or above QB rating. I think that is amazing given what he had to work with. lol, wow. Not that he’s Mahomes who Mac wanted or Allen who Gettleman passed on . . . or is Hebert who Gettleman scouted non-stop yet stayed in school . . . but, yes we would all be open to working with Daniel Jones for a five year contract. Did you watch mahomes in the second half? He's been reading too much of his own press. He looked ridiculous, running around like a chicken with his head cut off. And it's not the first time he's looked like that in the playoffs against good teams. Just saying.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 31, 2022 19:40:23 GMT -5
FYI this "new system he has to learn again " this time is going to be a non factor Dabol has already took Jones to go think about concepts and plays he likes and is comfortable and going all the way back to Duke... Duke used a similar passing offense that Dabol has been involved with his entire career (Erheart Perkins with air raid concepts ) This is not a new concept Broncos did it when Peyton joined then Bucs with Brady Stafford with LA Hell even rookies...they brought a lot of the Joe Brady concepts from LSU with Burrow (that McVay tree uses a lot of hybrid WCO /option route styles anyway ) So the overreacting about people afraid they are building long term around Jones? If we have yo get a new guy and he is a rookie you know we will add elements that guy prefers as well.. This offense is going to be an amoeba like one in that it will morph from year to year depending on personal and qb... You think Daboll would consider Joe Brady as OC ? Let's see what happens with Dorsey.. He would be a great choice as he comes from that hybrid saints system (WCO with Erheart/Perkins number-option routes),incorporated modern elements (air raid)so it's a blend of what Dabol is used to (Dabol would be installing his scheme )and some things Jones was exposed to as a rookie... No matter what it's going to be as smooth a transition for a qb going to a need regime as you can have FWIW the Chargers going to a Payton tree offensive coordinator (Joe Lombardi )to the guy he had last year who's name escapes me was smooth because the previous guy also ran that hybrid style ....
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 31, 2022 20:00:45 GMT -5
He did not suck as a rookie. I do not think he sucked this season either. We can not look at the QB in a vacuum ignoring his line and receivers. He had 3 games under a 90 qb rating. He had 8 games at a 90 or above QB rating. I think that is amazing given what he had to work with. lol, wow. Not that he’s Mahomes who Mac wanted or Allen who Gettleman passed on . . . or is Hebert who Gettleman scouted non-stop yet stayed in school . . . but, yes we would all be open to working with Daniel Jones for a five year contract. If they did not believe what they said wouldn't they be setting themselves up for blame if things went bad? If they said bad things about DJ around 15% of this board would be happy but when its not bad .....
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 31, 2022 20:01:05 GMT -5
lol, wow. Not that he’s Mahomes who Mac wanted or Allen who Gettleman passed on . . . or is Hebert who Gettleman scouted non-stop yet stayed in school . . . but, yes we would all be open to working with Daniel Jones for a five year contract. Did you watch mahomes in the second half? He's been reading too much of his own press. He looked ridiculous, running around like a chicken with his head cut off. And it's not the first time he's looked like that in the playoffs against good teams. Just saying. 🤦♂️ - have you seen Daniel Jones?
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 31, 2022 20:09:45 GMT -5
Did you watch mahomes in the second half? He's been reading too much of his own press. He looked ridiculous, running around like a chicken with his head cut off. And it's not the first time he's looked like that in the playoffs against good teams. Just saying. 🤦♂️ - have you seen Daniel Jones?
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Post by cruzsoldier on Jan 31, 2022 20:15:03 GMT -5
Now, There is a ton about DJ's game I do not like, but there are things I do. If we're being honest I think Judge really handicapped Jones by trying to limit turnovers, and yes, while that worked and the turnovers went down a bit, so did his TDs ... I would rather we go another direction at QB after this season rathre then shelll out a boatload of money for Jones on a second contract, but maybe Darboll can bring out the best in Jones... Well, see. Its ceratinyl his best shot and will be up to DJ next season. kids going to really have to step up . The thought that Jones is going to become this great QB is false it’s not his fault Gettleman drafted him in a spot where you draft an elite level QB and we can see he isn’t that I don’t care about the excuses of the OL. It’s great they are going to try to taylor an offense around him but if he still sucks again it should be the dumpster for Jones just like it was for Gettleman and Judge.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 31, 2022 20:23:57 GMT -5
Did you watch mahomes in the second half? He's been reading too much of his own press. He looked ridiculous, running around like a chicken with his head cut off. And it's not the first time he's looked like that in the playoffs against good teams. Just saying. 🤦♂️ - have you seen Daniel Jones? I have. I don't know what he is yet. But that's not what Im talking about. We had Eli, a QB who most peeps thought was not good enough to win at all, especially to win 2 rings against the best team in the NFL. So far, the Chiefs have mahomes, a QB who has melted down in 2 different SB appearances. While being the QB of possibly the best team in the NFL. You never can tell.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 31, 2022 20:28:24 GMT -5
Did you watch mahomes in the second half? He's been reading too much of his own press. He looked ridiculous, running around like a chicken with his head cut off. And it's not the first time he's looked like that in the playoffs against good teams. Just saying. 🤦♂️ - have you seen Daniel Jones? Yes I saw him outplay Mahomes despite Mahomes having Hill and Kelse.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 31, 2022 20:31:43 GMT -5
Thread title should say "Last" instead of "Best"
cuz it is
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 31, 2022 20:33:12 GMT -5
🤦♂️ - have you seen Daniel Jones? Yes I saw him outplay Mahomes despite Mahomes having Hill and Kelse. You didn’t. None of us have.
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Post by allnygin on Jan 31, 2022 22:04:26 GMT -5
LMAO the entires bengals offensive line is about as close to the giants as you can get.. ITS HORRIBLE? Did you watch burrow last night, every time he dropped back he was under pressure. Sorry, not running with these excuses anymore. Win some football or find a new team, that goes for every player on this team. The Bengals line is bad. The rest of their weapons are outstanding. Joe Burrow is great. Would he be as great throwing to the guys on our team? Or would he prefer his guys who catch the ball 5 yards away and end up with 40 yard gains? Would you trade Chase for KT? Would you trade Higgens for KG? Would you trade Boyd for whoever our 3rd WR is? That's not the point you made it sound like the giants don't have talent at skill positions they do. Secondly, the oline has always been the excuse for Daniel "oh, no qb could ever succeed behind an oline like that" and now you have a QB in his second year in the superbowl with a trash oline, rodgers did it with all backups on his yada yada. Yes Jones has had a shitty hand, but he's also been pretty shitty himself. I like that he can throw a nice deep ball, I like how he wants to be good and works hard, I like his toughness, but that doesn't make him a good QB and to be honest he simply has not been to this point in his career. The clock is ticking - do you want him resigned at this point? Don't you think that might be a little neglectful to both him and the giants at this point? Spare me the whole eli, or whatever QB sucked his first three seasons and went on to be a great QB for some period of time in the NFL bc for the handful that were able to do there are hundreds more who burnt out the same they did there first three seasons. Those guys are outliers, and maybe Jones is to, but I sure as hell wouldn't bet on it. Regardless, hopefully daboll can resurect his career. I will say I think Judge tried to dumb things down a bit which hurt Jones these past two seasons.. guess we'll find out once and for all this season, wouldn't mind being wrong - but I'd be shocked.
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Post by knixknation on Jan 31, 2022 23:51:37 GMT -5
Don’t give up on Danny Dimes. If we haven’t broken him already, he has the ability to be a good NFL QB.
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 1, 2022 8:00:33 GMT -5
Don’t give up on Danny Dimes. If we haven’t broken him already, he has the ability to be a good NFL QB. let’s hope he’s good but we want him to be Top 10. Look at the guys the Giants passed on. Bears have done the same thing for years.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 1, 2022 8:05:13 GMT -5
Don’t give up on Danny Dimes. If we haven’t broken him already, he has the ability to be a good NFL QB. let’s hope he’s good but we want him to be Top 10. Look at the guys the Giants passed on. Bears have done the same thing for years. No the Bears have been worse They trade up for guys and the guys taken after have been great qbs while theirs fizzle
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Post by devilsadvocate on Feb 1, 2022 8:32:52 GMT -5
Don’t give up on Danny Dimes. If we haven’t broken him already, he has the ability to be a good NFL QB. Based on ...................................................................................................................................
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Post by jaymas on Feb 1, 2022 9:09:15 GMT -5
FYI this "new system he has to learn again " this time is going to be a non factor Dabol has already took Jones to go think about concepts and plays he likes and is comfortable and going all the way back to Duke... Duke used a similar passing offense that Dabol has been involved with his entire career (Erheart Perkins with air raid concepts ) This is not a new concept Broncos did it when Peyton joined then Bucs with Brady Stafford with LA Hell even rookies...they brought a lot of the Joe Brady concepts from LSU with Burrow (that McVay tree uses a lot of hybrid WCO /option route styles anyway ) So the overreacting about people afraid they are building long term around Jones? If we have yo get a new guy and he is a rookie you know we will add elements that guy prefers as well.. This offense is going to be an amoeba like one in that it will morph from year to year depending on personal and qb... Yeah, this will be familiar for him, which is nice. They did the opposite last time. He learned something new as a rookie, it was a fit for him, and then he learned something new again that was not similar to Duke or his rookie year. If DJ doesn't do it with Daboll and staff, he just doesn't have the stuff. Or he's too far gone and we'll never know if he had the stuff. Either way, basically no risk for the Giants and all reward considering we just brought in a new GM and head coach.
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Post by giantsalmon on Feb 1, 2022 9:33:45 GMT -5
Bottom line my friend is Jones is far away from even being "Ryan Tannehill". Jones has not been successful because of Jones himself. I agree team around him as sucked but so has he. His two major flaws have almost nothing to do with the roster around him He did not suck as a rookie. I do not think he sucked this season either. We can not look at the QB in a vacuum ignoring his line and receivers. He had 3 games under a 90 qb rating. He had 8 games at a 90 or above QB rating. I think that is amazing given what he had to work with. I could see Daboll reading this thread and chuckling with a smile. That guy knows more about offense and QBs than all of us combined. I have been firmly in Jones corner through this turmoil he has had--the opposite of how a young QB is "raised"(Daboll term). I am now at peace, all I asked was DJ get a fair shot with an actual stable system . It appears that will happen. The confidence that Daboll, Schoen and their staff will bring will only allow Jones to play looser. If Daboll deems he cannot be the guy in his offense they will make moves. The comments that he isn't as good as Tannehill or Garrapalo are ridiculous. Those are mediocre at best QBs that play on confident teams with competent coaching, yet their bonehead plays definitely held them back. This isn't much different than a HS student or athlete trying to thrive while his homelife is swirling with disfunction. They always do their best when there is stability in their world. Is it really that hard to fathom that this Carolina kid was thrust into the most pressure filled place in sports and his issues primarily come from pressing and trying to do too much? Preparation brings confidence, but thats so hard to have when every coach he's had has been looking over his shoulder or at odds with the GM or ownership. Most are down on the kid but if Daboll works his magic the Kim Jones of the world will line up to interview Jones for their pregame segments. The big turnaround scoop.
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