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Post by allnygin on Jan 31, 2022 12:37:45 GMT -5
Now, There is a ton about DJ's game I do not like, but there are things I do. If we're being honest I think Judge really handicapped Jones by trying to limit turnovers, and yes, while that worked and the turnovers went down a bit, so did his TDs ... I would rather we go another direction at QB after this season rathre then shelll out a boatload of money for Jones on a second contract, but maybe Darboll can bring out the best in Jones... Well, see. Its ceratinyl his best shot and will be up to DJ next season. kids going to really have to step up .
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 31, 2022 12:42:47 GMT -5
Another offseason where we continue to put rims on a pinto.
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 31, 2022 12:51:15 GMT -5
Hopefully Shoen can improve the talent level on offense quickly or else there is a strong possibility of another subpar offensive season, imo. Might be tough...I heard something today about Shoen wanting to clear 40 million of cap space...have more confidence in Shoen than Gettleman though.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 31, 2022 12:52:07 GMT -5
You spelt "LAST" wrong. I feel like Shurmur gave him his best chance unfortunately.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 31, 2022 12:55:39 GMT -5
I think they keep DJ around until (a) you can’t keep him without a longer term commitment or (b) Schoen and Daboll fall in love with another option at QB.
They won’t just change him out like a fan would (where getting rid of him is more important than finding a much better replacement).
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 31, 2022 12:57:08 GMT -5
You spelt "LAST" wrong. I feel like Shurmur gave him his best chance unfortunately. You mean when he was a rookie and their was no tape on him? Jones fell off a cliff after that season. Now, we continue to put the parts together with Elmer’s glue and duct tape.
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Post by Nick6475 on Jan 31, 2022 12:58:12 GMT -5
Jones starts this year if he is healthy. It may be his "best" chance, but that does not mean it will be a good or even average chance with this team's current state.
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Post by Parademon1 on Jan 31, 2022 13:25:25 GMT -5
You mean this is DJ's "last" chance to show that he's a franchise QB. if with an improved OL, he still can't find the EZ, he's outta here. I'd bring in Trubisky or Fitzgerald to make him earn his job as the starter & stop gifting it to him like he's earned it thru great QB play. If he goes down to injury as he's prone to do, we need a legit former starting QB to be able to take over & actually win a few games with him out. Giraffe neck & Jake from state Fromm should be long gone from this team as they were the 2 worst back up QBs I've ever seen take snaps for this team in the past 35yrs! 9ppg with them behind center was a total embarrassment for a so called pro football team. We made every D we played in the final 6 games look like the 85' Bears!
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 31, 2022 13:54:42 GMT -5
You mean when he was a rookie and their was no tape on him? Jones fell off a cliff after that season. Now, we continue to put the parts together with Elmer’s glue and duct tape. Sir, your pessimism and lack of faith in Daniel Jones is absolute blasphemy. I want you to watch these highlights of him and then go an apologize to kerryisdaman for ever criticizing and speaking ill of her son.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 31, 2022 14:00:40 GMT -5
You mean when he was a rookie and their was no tape on him? Jones fell off a cliff after that season. Now, we continue to put the parts together with Elmer’s glue and duct tape. Sir, your pessimism and lack of faith in Daniel Jones is absolute blasphemy. I want you to watch these highlights of him and then go an apologize to kerryisdaman for ever criticizing and speaking ill of her son. frikin slide!! dagnabit!!!
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Post by ratbastich on Jan 31, 2022 14:07:56 GMT -5
You mean when he was a rookie and their was no tape on him? Jones fell off a cliff after that season. Now, we continue to put the parts together with Elmer’s glue and duct tape. Sir, your pessimism and lack of faith in Daniel Jones is absolute blasphemy. I want you to watch these highlights of him and then go an apologize to kerryisdaman for ever criticizing and speaking ill of her son. The thing is, it may be too late for Jones at this point. These are things he brought with him from Duke and it is going to take a bit for Daboll and Co. to create better habits. He better be a quick learner because his time is getting short. www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/daniel-jones-29041/
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Post by Giggles on Jan 31, 2022 14:13:38 GMT -5
If Schoen and Daboll were serious about going through the tape, they're going to find a lot of alarming things in there. I suspect they'll want to move on unless there's interference from Mara.
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Post by Nick6475 on Jan 31, 2022 14:14:38 GMT -5
You mean when he was a rookie and their was no tape on him? Jones fell off a cliff after that season. Now, we continue to put the parts together with Elmer’s glue and duct tape. Sir, your pessimism and lack of faith in Daniel Jones is absolute blasphemy. I want you to watch these highlights of him and then go an apologize to kerryisdaman for ever criticizing and speaking ill of her son. Not saying Jones is good, but if you only look at the bad plays of a QB it is obviously going to be terrible. If you flip this and look at clips of the few good plays he has had, he actually looks like a functional QB.
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Post by Parademon1 on Jan 31, 2022 14:17:45 GMT -5
If Schoen and Daboll were serious about going through the tape, they're going to find a lot of alarming things in there. I suspect they'll want to move on unless there's interference from Mara. That he's still on his rookie contract is the only reason they're willing to tolerate his erratic play. I would tell him right now that he's on an extremely short leash & that he's on a prove it or lose it yr. He get's this team to 9-10 wins in 22' and it's due to his play, he gets a 2nd contract, team is outta contention by Halloween...again, and it's bye bye DJ. We draft a QB in 23'.
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Post by mj312 on Jan 31, 2022 14:20:02 GMT -5
Now, There is a ton about DJ's game I do not like, but there are things I do. If we're being honest I think Judge really handicapped Jones by trying to limit turnovers, and yes, while that worked and the turnovers went down a bit, so did his TDs ... I would rather we go another direction at QB after this season rathre then shelll out a boatload of money for Jones on a second contract, but maybe Darboll can bring out the best in Jones... Well, see. Its ceratinyl his best shot and will be up to DJ next season. kids going to really have to step up . Here's the thing with Jones ... Every QB needs guys to make plays and he has literally no one around him helping him.. I'm not talking about the line , because there have been more than enough occasions where he has plenty of time I'm talking about TE, RB , and WR specifically.. I'm far from a Jones guy , and I think he's an injury prone , mistake ridden QB but there's not a single guy to make a play for him .. these successful QBs all have guys that help them .. you don't even realize how bad our guys are until you watch these teams in the playoffs with guys just making huge runs and big catches for Tds , and guys breaking tackles and getting extra yards.. our starters wouldn't even be on the field on these teams .. If this is gonna be Jones last year I would like to see him with some players that actually do what they are supposed to and not just cash checks ..
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 31, 2022 14:20:29 GMT -5
If Schoen and Daboll were serious about going through the tape, they're going to find a lot of alarming things in there. I suspect they'll want to move on unless there's interference from Mara. I think what seems to be lost here is this: move on to who? If there is no QB in the draft pegged by them as a franchise QB, then there's no option there. And I can't see a FA QB who is a) affordable, b) won't cost multiple high draft picks to get and c) is a significant, long term upgrade. When there are no real options, what you have seems like a good choice.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 31, 2022 14:25:34 GMT -5
If Schoen and Daboll were serious about going through the tape, they're going to find a lot of alarming things in there. I suspect they'll want to move on unless there's interference from Mara. I think what seems to be lost here is this: move on to who? If there is no QB in the draft pegged by them as a franchise QB, then there's no option there. And I can't see a FA QB who is a) affordable, b) won't cost multiple high draft picks to get and c) is a significant, long term upgrade. When there are no real options, what you have seems like a good choice. Actual facts Jones is a cheap bridge guy they will try to salvage this year or move on while building everything around the qb position
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Post by Giggles on Jan 31, 2022 14:27:29 GMT -5
If Schoen and Daboll were serious about going through the tape, they're going to find a lot of alarming things in there. I suspect they'll want to move on unless there's interference from Mara. I think what seems to be lost here is this: move on to who? If there is no QB in the draft pegged by them as a franchise QB, then there's no option there. And I can't see a FA QB who is a) affordable, b) won't cost multiple high draft picks to get and c) is a significant, long term upgrade. When there are no real options, what you have seems like a good choice. If they want a stop gap, it doesn't necessarily have to be Jones, though I can stomach it if it is only for a year. If you can sign a guy like Trubisky (who is in the same level as Jones) and you can unload Jones for a draft pick I would do it. Also it is hard to tell with the draft. Maybe there is a QB they really like.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 31, 2022 14:29:16 GMT -5
the have no choice at the moment.
There is no way in hell in they banking their professional careers on Jones. They will be bringing in competition for sure.
They will try and see if Jones will finally get but all the eggs wont be in one basket.
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Post by Giggles on Jan 31, 2022 14:31:47 GMT -5
Sir, your pessimism and lack of faith in Daniel Jones is absolute blasphemy. I want you to watch these highlights of him and then go an apologize to kerryisdaman for ever criticizing and speaking ill of her son. Not saying Jones is good, but if you only look at the bad plays of a QB it is obviously going to be terrible. If you flip this and look at clips of the few good plays he has had, he actually looks like a functional QB. You can find good plays from bad QB. The good ones do it consistently and game after game.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 31, 2022 14:33:33 GMT -5
the have no choice at the moment. There is no way in hell in they banking their professional careers on Jones. They will be bringing in competition for sure. They will try and see if Jones will finally get but all the eggs wont be in one basket. All of this
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 31, 2022 14:46:28 GMT -5
I think what seems to be lost here is this: move on to who? If there is no QB in the draft pegged by them as a franchise QB, then there's no option there. And I can't see a FA QB who is a) affordable, b) won't cost multiple high draft picks to get and c) is a significant, long term upgrade. When there are no real options, what you have seems like a good choice. If they want a stop gap, it doesn't necessarily have to be Jones, though I can stomach it if it is only for a year. If you can sign a guy like Trubisky (who is in the same level as Jones) and you can unload Jones for a draft pick I would do it. Also it is hard to tell with the draft. Maybe there is a QB they really like. I wanna be there during the pitch meeting... "So we are reluctantly willing to trade Daniel Jones, a QB so horrible we actually signed Mitch Trubisky to replace him. That's right, Mitch Trubisky...No, I'm not kidding...No, this isn't candid camera. We are looking to get two 2nd rounders and a 4th for him."But...drafting a QB is almost required, right? Maybe we hit there.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 31, 2022 14:48:22 GMT -5
If they want a stop gap, it doesn't necessarily have to be Jones, though I can stomach it if it is only for a year. If you can sign a guy like Trubisky (who is in the same level as Jones) and you can unload Jones for a draft pick I would do it. Also it is hard to tell with the draft. Maybe there is a QB they really like. I wanna be there during the pitch meeting... "So we are reluctantly willing to trade Daniel Jones, a QB so horrible we actually signed Mitch Trubisky to replace him. That's right, Mitch Trubisky...No, I'm not kidding...No, this isn't candid camera. We are looking to get two 2nd rounders and a 4th for him."But...drafting a QB is almost required, right? Maybe we hit there. Anybody but (insert qb you have Derangement syndrome for )usually ends up making the situation much worse
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 31, 2022 14:53:24 GMT -5
You mean when he was a rookie and their was no tape on him? Jones fell off a cliff after that season. Now, we continue to put the parts together with Elmer’s glue and duct tape. Sir, your pessimism and lack of faith in Daniel Jones is absolute blasphemy. I want you to watch these highlights of him and then go an apologize to kerryisdaman for ever criticizing and speaking ill of her son. Jones is dog shit that the Giants and few stragglers continue to put Febreze on. You know where he would excel at? As a gadget quarterback, like the Saints use Taysom Hill. His best ability is his legs, I’ve seen him out run NFL cornerbacks in this league. He’s surprisingly fast. Also, the read option with him works to perfection. When you ask him to be an NFL quarterback, read defenses and overcome a bad offensive line. He folds like a bad poker hand.
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Post by Giggles on Jan 31, 2022 14:54:11 GMT -5
If they want a stop gap, it doesn't necessarily have to be Jones, though I can stomach it if it is only for a year. If you can sign a guy like Trubisky (who is in the same level as Jones) and you can unload Jones for a draft pick I would do it. Also it is hard to tell with the draft. Maybe there is a QB they really like. I wanna be there during the pitch meeting... "So we are reluctantly willing to trade Daniel Jones, a QB so horrible we actually signed Mitch Trubisky to replace him. That's right, Mitch Trubisky...No, I'm not kidding...No, this isn't candid camera. We are looking to get two 2nd rounders and a 4th for him."But...drafting a QB is almost required, right? Maybe we hit there. I think it's a sound plan to salvage a draft asset for a lost cause while getting a stop gap who knows the system. I would consider it if it was presented to me.
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 31, 2022 14:58:52 GMT -5
You mean when he was a rookie and their was no tape on him? Jones fell off a cliff after that season. Now, we continue to put the parts together with Elmer’s glue and duct tape. Sir, your pessimism and lack of faith in Daniel Jones is absolute blasphemy. I want you to watch these highlights of him and then go an apologize to kerryisdaman for ever criticizing and speaking ill of her son. Ahh so Doug Rush (whoever that is) said so, so it must be true. Jones needs to scramble more...got to give it to him...that's actually the 1st time I've heard that. Points for originality! I thought the theme going into next season was to let Jones play loose...because Garrett and Judge had him playing too conservative. Which one is it? That was a nice little lowlight video though, Jones threw a whole 7 INTs last season! ..but I got it, Jones needs to improve. ..just not looking forward to next year turning into a story just about Jones, when it's a 50+ man roster.
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 31, 2022 15:00:17 GMT -5
I wanna be there during the pitch meeting... "So we are reluctantly willing to trade Daniel Jones, a QB so horrible we actually signed Mitch Trubisky to replace him. That's right, Mitch Trubisky...No, I'm not kidding...No, this isn't candid camera. We are looking to get two 2nd rounders and a 4th for him."But...drafting a QB is almost required, right? Maybe we hit there. I think it's a sound plan to salvage a draft asset for a lost cause while getting a stop gap who knows the system. I would consider it if it was presented to me. How drunk do you think that GM would have to be?
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Post by Giggles on Jan 31, 2022 15:06:48 GMT -5
I think it's a sound plan to salvage a draft asset for a lost cause while getting a stop gap who knows the system. I would consider it if it was presented to me. How drunk do you think that GM would have to be? No need to be drunk. I think if Darnold can get a second we can get something for DJ.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 31, 2022 15:15:03 GMT -5
this may be Jones' best and last chance
the good thing is that Jones knows this too
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Post by Nick6475 on Jan 31, 2022 15:16:38 GMT -5
this may be Jones' best and last chance the good thing is that Jones knows this too Pretty sure this was said before last season too.
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