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Post by jaymas on Sept 12, 2022 9:53:05 GMT -5
Why would one game ever make anyone want to decide what to do with Daniel Jones haha? You keep projecting whatever you're thinking onto others. No one is saying the things you're trying to counter-argue with. Also, agree with gametime that those goldfish sound excellent. I'd put old bay on anything though. One game? Nah, this is 4 years. I was hoping to see the problems that most people criticize him for disappear but they’re still there. Please enlighten me how DJ looked better yesterday than he did his rookie year. *Old Bay is f’in awesome. I believe Dogfish Head actually made an Old Bay beer, never got to try it though, it was limited. vinnie, I'm just answering the exact question you asked. "seriously did his performance yesterday make you want to give him a contract" which is a wild question. They won the game and he played tough under pressure of various kinds (literal, and having to bounce back from an awful throw at an awful time). He's going to have bigger statistical performances than that. I don't care about giving him a contract or not right now, the Giants are 1-0 and just beat tennessee in Tennessee. In the context of that game, he did not play badly at all. That's all I'm talking about.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 12, 2022 9:53:36 GMT -5
Ok, well I’m not hinting at it, I’m bringing it up. If the Giants looked that good and Barkley was as good as he played yesterday, would you pay him the going rate for a RB? Really all depends on the going rate for a RB. Would I pay Saquon Derek Henry money? Probably not, but mostly because of his injury history. If the RB market has us paying Barkley 11million and he continues to be one of the most dynamic playmakers in the NFL, you've got to at least consider it, but it all depends on where the market goes for this position. As of right now, I don't care. He's a good dude, he looked great yesterday, and we at least get to ride him this season. Gonna enjoy that. Continues? Barkley hasn’t been considered dynamic since his rookie year. I love Barkley, he’s my favorite current Giant, I just don’t think RB’s are worth paying and I sure as hell don’t think Barkley is the difference between us making a SB run or not within the next 3-4 years (which is what his contract would most likely be for).
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Post by vinnie on Sept 12, 2022 9:54:50 GMT -5
One game? Nah, this is 4 years. I was hoping to see the problems that most people criticize him for disappear but they’re still there. Please enlighten me how DJ looked better yesterday than he did his rookie year. *Old Bay is f’in awesome. I believe Dogfish Head actually made an Old Bay beer, never got to try it though, it was limited. vinnie, I'm just answering the exact question you asked. "seriously did his performance yesterday make you want to give him a contract" which is a wild question. They won the game and he played tough under pressure of various kinds (literal, and having to bounce back from an awful throw at an awful time). He's going to have bigger statistical performances than that. I don't care about giving him a contract or not right now, the Giants are 1-0 and just beat tennessee in Tennessee. In the context of that game, he did not play badly at all. That's all I'm talking about. Ok buddy, that’s perfectly fair. We’ll conclude this debate. As always, it was a pleasure!
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Post by vinnie on Sept 12, 2022 9:56:53 GMT -5
BTW, fellas, I’m on Cloud 9 (yeah, save the f’in jokes). Been listening to local DFW radio since about 6, these cowgirls fans are f’in great. Went from SB run yesterday to talking about tanking today. Lol “a disastrous nightmare Monday”.
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Post by bluebuddha on Sept 12, 2022 9:58:50 GMT -5
Really all depends on the going rate for a RB. Would I pay Saquon Derek Henry money? Probably not, but mostly because of his injury history. If the RB market has us paying Barkley 11million and he continues to be one of the most dynamic playmakers in the NFL, you've got to at least consider it, but it all depends on where the market goes for this position. As of right now, I don't care. He's a good dude, he looked great yesterday, and we at least get to ride him this season. Gonna enjoy that. Continues? Barkley hasn’t been considered dynamic since his rookie year. I love Barkley, he’s my favorite current Giant, I just don’t think RB’s are worth paying and I sure as hell don’t think Barkley is the difference between us making a SB run or not within the next 3-4 years (which is what his contract would most likely be for). It is a fluid situation. If he keeps accounting for nearly 50% of the offensive output. You have to atleast have plan to replace that output before moving on.
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Post by jaymas on Sept 12, 2022 9:59:01 GMT -5
Really all depends on the going rate for a RB. Would I pay Saquon Derek Henry money? Probably not, but mostly because of his injury history. If the RB market has us paying Barkley 11million and he continues to be one of the most dynamic playmakers in the NFL, you've got to at least consider it, but it all depends on where the market goes for this position. As of right now, I don't care. He's a good dude, he looked great yesterday, and we at least get to ride him this season. Gonna enjoy that. Continues? Barkley hasn’t been considered dynamic since his rookie year. I love Barkley, he’s my favorite current Giant, I just don’t think RB’s are worth paying and I sure as hell don’t think Barkley is the difference between us making a SB run or not within the next 3-4 years (which is what his contract would most likely be for). Vinnie, you're slaying me! I reacted to your statement "continues to play like the first game" A game in which he was a dynamic playmaker...so that would be him continuing that to determine the next contract viability...and I answered that question. If he did do that, he would have two years of being that, one solid year, and 2 years of being an injured mess.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 12, 2022 10:00:49 GMT -5
Continues? Barkley hasn’t been considered dynamic since his rookie year. I love Barkley, he’s my favorite current Giant, I just don’t think RB’s are worth paying and I sure as hell don’t think Barkley is the difference between us making a SB run or not within the next 3-4 years (which is what his contract would most likely be for). Vinnie, you're slaying me! I reacted to your statement "continues to play like the first game" A game in which he was a dynamic playmaker...so that would be him continuing that to determine the next contract viability...and I answered that question. If he did do that, he would have two years of being that, one solid year, and 2 years of being an injured mess. Lol, sorry bud, I’m just passionate. Didn’t mean to “slay” you.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 12, 2022 10:59:28 GMT -5
Do you think Jones was going to answer the franchise question in one game? Even if Jones was 25 for 30 with 3 TDs would you be saying he's the guy? Of course not. Was not impressed in the first half at all and I was pissing and moaning too. But the second half, while there were still big mistakes made on all 3 phases this team battled and came out with a win. When was the last time your angry ass saw a Giants team win a game like that? There are some fans who may be too "high" from this win but you are pissing on it unfairly IMO. Lots of heart, fight and tough playing to go along with the coaches doing a good job for the first game Beer and Old Bay gold fish sounds good. Like you, I never thought Jones was the answer and I’m not being a “hater” but he didn’t look like a franchise QB yesterday. I don’t give a shit about the stats, he didn’t look like a QB that can lead a team to a Super Bowl. Yeah, it was only one game but the same warts he had last year and the year before and the year before that keep showing up. Once again, based on just yesterday, would you be comfortable with DJ being our franchise QB? lol @ my “angry ass”. No denying that I didnt expect him to look like a franchise QB yesterday and I bet Daboll didnt either. Now in 4 or 5 weeks he better start to look like a franchise QB or he'll be gone next year. If Jones had a lights out game yesterday I would still feel the same way about him and that he has a long way to go to prove he is a franchise QB.
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Post by giantsforce on Sept 12, 2022 11:05:21 GMT -5
Straight up heartbreaking A Horrible thing to have to deal with. Could not imagine what him and the child's parents are going through, This is one reason why I would never speak against any player of any team of any sport. We have no idea what players go through on a personal level that may affect their performance. True professionals honor their obligations to the team and to the fans by playing no matter what the personal cost. Besides, each player, with very few exceptions, plays according his capabilities and I am sure that at no point thinks that "today I am going to be the biggest screw up on the field". I blame those who select the players to be on the field knowing all too well that their skills or mental state is not what it should be. All players make bonehead moves but if they keep repeating them and they are still on the field,I do not see how that is their problem and not of those who put in there knowingly. As far as Dabol goes, a little honesty will do him good especially when we all saw what was going on. He is not protecting Jones by lying and he does damage to his own integrity. If Jones cannot handle criticism, that's Jones problem.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 12, 2022 11:32:17 GMT -5
Ok, well I’m not hinting at it, I’m bringing it up. If the Giants looked that good and Barkley was as good as he played yesterday, would you pay him the going rate for a RB? Really all depends on the going rate for a RB. Would I pay Saquon Derek Henry money? Probably not, but mostly because of his injury history. If the RB market has us paying Barkley 11million and he continues to be one of the most dynamic playmakers in the NFL, you've got to at least consider it, but it all depends on where the market goes for this position. As of right now, I don't care. He's a good dude, he looked great yesterday, and we at least get to ride him this season. Gonna enjoy that. Circumstances will play into it if they move on from Jones say he doesn't get it done, Barkley makes it a lot easier on a rookie QB takes a lot of heat off him. I'm not sure what they will do first he has to stay healthy and be that catalyst for the offense. I'm sure he is gonna have some games where they game up on him and slow him down. Just has to play out Daboll sounds like he is down for a few more years of SQB.
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Post by scoostraw on Sept 12, 2022 12:01:28 GMT -5
Straight up heartbreaking My God that is awful.
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Post by miggs on Sept 12, 2022 12:02:33 GMT -5
Fairly good Giants defense yesterday without Thibs and Olujari.
Did Giants miss Bradberry, Logan, and Peppers yesterday? Maybe Peppers.
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Post by allnygin on Sept 12, 2022 12:22:52 GMT -5
vinnie c'mon my dude how in the hell can you be dissapointed? This was awesome! Are you kidding? This game was almost unbearable to watch. I’m happy they won but some of you are kidding yourselves if you think that tram resembled anything other than a mediocre to bad team. They literally scored the majority of their points on 3-4 chunk yardage plays. I think some of you are so used to losing that any W is a good W. I’m more of a perfectionist/realist and this team is still trash. DJ looked like shit, he won’t be on the team next year. Barkley was Barkley, padded his stats with a long run or two but otherwise he looked average. The O Line was ass. Tannehill is a bad QB and it showed. I’m not saying they can’t improve and I’m always happy when they win but I’m not delusional. They looked like S H I T. Please tell me what you thought they did well on a consistent basis? Vinnie step back one second.. who on earth is saying this team didn't look like shit. If it had not been for barkley this game is a disaster. That said - it was awesome we won. Tackles looked solid Run game was incredible they didn't allow 100 yards to Henry that was their goal. Things we know Jones was pedestrian the interior oline is shit linebackers cant cover Robinson didn't get smoked Darnay holmes almost cost us the game with giving up a big play and penalties. This team is far from good, but a win against a number one seed last year is a win. Enjoy it. There will be plenty of times throughout this season to complain about how bad the team is, they won. enjoy
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 12, 2022 13:05:45 GMT -5
Are you kidding? This game was almost unbearable to watch. I’m happy they won but some of you are kidding yourselves if you think that tram resembled anything other than a mediocre to bad team. They literally scored the majority of their points on 3-4 chunk yardage plays. I think some of you are so used to losing that any W is a good W. I’m more of a perfectionist/realist and this team is still trash. DJ looked like shit, he won’t be on the team next year. Barkley was Barkley, padded his stats with a long run or two but otherwise he looked average. The O Line was ass. Tannehill is a bad QB and it showed. I’m not saying they can’t improve and I’m always happy when they win but I’m not delusional. They looked like S H I T. Please tell me what you thought they did well on a consistent basis? Vinnie step back one second.. who on earth is saying this team didn't look like shit. If it had not been for barkley this game is a disaster. That said - it was awesome we won. Tackles looked solid Run game was incredible they didn't allow 100 yards to Henry that was their goal. Things we know Jones was pedestrian the interior oline is shit linebackers cant cover Robinson didn't get smoked Darnay holmes almost cost us the game with giving up a big play and penalties. This team is far from good, but a win against a number one seed last year is a win. Enjoy it. There will be plenty of times throughout this season to complain about how bad the team is, they won. enjoy Definitely. Even after this W, anyone really expecting anything THIS SEASON outside of just showing some improvement is still kidding themselves. The roster is still severely lacking. What yesterday showed me was, we have a much better coaching staff this year than the past 6 years. Still, only 1 game though.
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Post by miggs on Sept 12, 2022 14:23:12 GMT -5
The Giants have a good roster and only a few holes to fill.
On offense, the Giants left guard position was the only glaring problem. If Daboll has players should correct that problem. He needs to play his best players and not favor players that don't warrant playing.
Defense did a good job stopping the run. Pass rush was non-existent but that was almost deliberate as Daboll knew the Giants first goal was to stop Henry and he accomplished that.
Giants rush will be up-graded when Thibs and Olujari's return.
Holmes was bad as were the Giants inside linebackers in pass coverage. Belton, Flott, Pinnock, and McCloud may all challenge Holmes for playing time.
The Giants can remedy their IL problem by claiming some good linebackers who are on other team's practice squads.
Giants will be among the NFL's better teams as long as Daboll improves both the Giants offensive and defensive schemes, plays, and play calling.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 12, 2022 14:38:56 GMT -5
Sorry if this news was already posted.
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Post by miggs on Sept 12, 2022 14:39:04 GMT -5
The Giants did a good job of not letting Henry and the Titans dominate time of possession as Titans had possession of the ball 31 minutes to the Giants 29 minutes.
Giants had three explosive plays.
If Giants upgrade it's left guard position and thus reduce sacks, the Giants should possess the ball more than it's opponents do.
The Giants gained more total yardage (394-359) than than the Titans did.
The Giants only had 45 yards in penalties for the game.
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Post by miggs on Sept 12, 2022 15:06:07 GMT -5
Barkley averaged 9.1 yards per carry on 18 carries. Vinnie said Barkley looked average but for a few good runs. Does he not realize that only a few NFL backs could accomplish what Barkley did? What was he watching?
No reason to give any credence to what he says. Should consider a comedy career.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 12, 2022 15:34:20 GMT -5
Sorry if this news was already posted. Big time *whew*
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Post by GameTime on Sept 12, 2022 15:34:49 GMT -5
Sorry if this news was already posted. hopefully its just a mild strain/sprain. I really want to see this kid play on a reg basis
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 12, 2022 17:53:20 GMT -5
Sorry if this news was already posted. hopefully its just a mild strain/sprain. I really want to see this kid play on a reg basis likewise, and hopefully Toney can play his way out of the doghouse.
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Post by giantsalmon on Sept 12, 2022 19:27:35 GMT -5
hopefully its just a mild strain/sprain. I really want to see this kid play on a reg basis likewise, and hopefully Toney can play his way out of the doghouse. I don't know what to think about Toney right now, but that was a very heady play to not try to set and throw that pass. He wouldve gotten blown up and possibly fumbled or thrown a pick. To turn it into something instead of a big loss just shows the talent we are yet to utilize. I do remember that quip by Schoen that Toney needs to learn the playbook.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 12, 2022 20:14:44 GMT -5
likewise, and hopefully Toney can play his way out of the doghouse. I don't know what to think about Toney right now, but that was a very heady play to not try to set and throw that pass. He wouldve gotten blown up and possibly fumbled or thrown a pick. To turn it into something instead of a big loss just shows the talent we are yet to utilize. I do remember that quip by Schoen that Toney needs to learn the playbook. the kid needs to get what it is right. He can be a game breaker
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 12, 2022 20:43:21 GMT -5
I don't know what to think about Toney right now, but that was a very heady play to not try to set and throw that pass. He wouldve gotten blown up and possibly fumbled or thrown a pick. To turn it into something instead of a big loss just shows the talent we are yet to utilize. I do remember that quip by Schoen that Toney needs to learn the playbook. the kid needs to get what it is right. He can be a game breaker Can’t be a “game breaker” when you don’t play in the game. He’s a tease, broke two ankles against the Cowboys last year. And fans continue to fawn over what ifs.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 12, 2022 20:47:13 GMT -5
the kid needs to get what it is right. He can be a game breaker Can’t be a “game breaker” when you don’t play in the game. He’s a tease, broke two ankles against the Cowboys last year. And fans continue to fawn over what ifs. thats why I said he has to get right whatever it is. Would rather have him play more no? Not happy with the situation.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 12, 2022 20:52:07 GMT -5
Can’t be a “game breaker” when you don’t play in the game. He’s a tease, broke two ankles against the Cowboys last year. And fans continue to fawn over what ifs. thats why I said he has to get right whatever it is. Would rather have him play more no? Not happy with the situation. He needs to be involved into our game plan. Be it on special teams, wild cat, and wide receiver. If his head isn’t in the game, don’t dress him.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 12, 2022 20:54:38 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 13, 2022 6:02:14 GMT -5
Something no one is talking about that I felt at the time too, is how Tennessee set up for the GW FG attempt.
I get they were trying to position it, but it was no gimme. They lost 3 or 4 yards on Tannehills spotting for the kicker. That 3 or 4 yards probably cost them the game as the kick just barely missed.
I don't know why they didn't just run the ball with Henry to the right and try to get a few more yards.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 13, 2022 8:05:39 GMT -5
Straight up heartbreaking My God that is awful. Having witnessed a few myself, pediatric drownings are one of the most horrific things to see and I can’t even imagine what it’s like for the family. Oooooookay…back to rainbows and unicorns!
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Post by vinnie on Sept 13, 2022 8:08:44 GMT -5
Are you kidding? This game was almost unbearable to watch. I’m happy they won but some of you are kidding yourselves if you think that tram resembled anything other than a mediocre to bad team. They literally scored the majority of their points on 3-4 chunk yardage plays. I think some of you are so used to losing that any W is a good W. I’m more of a perfectionist/realist and this team is still trash. DJ looked like shit, he won’t be on the team next year. Barkley was Barkley, padded his stats with a long run or two but otherwise he looked average. The O Line was ass. Tannehill is a bad QB and it showed. I’m not saying they can’t improve and I’m always happy when they win but I’m not delusional. They looked like S H I T. Please tell me what you thought they did well on a consistent basis? Vinnie step back one second.. who on earth is saying this team didn't look like shit. If it had not been for barkley this game is a disaster. That said - it was awesome we won. Tackles looked solid Run game was incredible they didn't allow 100 yards to Henry that was their goal. Things we know Jones was pedestrian the interior oline is shit linebackers cant cover Robinson didn't get smoked Darnay holmes almost cost us the game with giving up a big play and penalties. This team is far from good, but a win against a number one seed last year is a win. Enjoy it. There will be plenty of times throughout this season to complain about how bad the team is, they won. enjoy Alright, alright…was just a little emotional. As I said, very happy they won but it was fugly.
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